Children of Isis members refused entry into UK

[Jimbuna]

Children of British Isis members stranded in Syria will not be allowed to return to the UK, the government has reportedly decided.

At least 30 British children are currently being held with their mothers in camps in northern Syria, after being detained as they fled the crumbling Isis caliphate.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/children-of-british-isis-members-will-not-be-allowed-to-return-to-uk-government-rules/ar-AAFHSQ4?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

I understand and fully support the governments position in denying the adult parents being allowed back but I'm not so sure about their children up to a certain age.

Surely denying them the opportunity to return will enhance the chances of them becoming terrorists in the future :hmmm:

[Catfish]

A major mistake imho.
And every country should take back its terrorist citizens, bring them to a court and lock them away. Who else should, and why?

[ikalugin]

I think for me this depends on age. A one month baby is not going to be a threat in any way.

[Commander Wallace]

I think for me this depends on age. A one month baby is not going to be a threat in any way.


This may be true. However, it does raise the issue as to who would care for the child if the parents themselves are not allowed back in. Further, a child whose parents were not allowed re-entry may grow to adulthood and seek out retribution and retaliate many years later. I believe the U.K is correct in denying entry to former Isis members and their families.

[Jeff-Groves]

I understand and fully support the governments position in denying the adult parents being allowed back but I'm not so sure about their children up to a certain age.

Surely denying them the opportunity to return will enhance the chances of them becoming terrorists in the future :hmmm:
Terrorists are not born but made by indoctrination from the community the are living in. Sure they may be more inclined to go that way IF taught to seek revenge. No easy way to avoid that possible problem.

[mapuc]

The big question here is:

Can they be reprogrammed ?

Markus

[Reece]

String em up it'll teach them a lesson!! :yep:

[ikalugin]

This may be true. However, it does raise the issue as to who would care for the child if the parents themselves are not allowed back in. Further, a child whose parents were not allowed re-entry may grow to adulthood and seek out retribution and retaliate many years later. I believe the U.K is correct in denying entry to former Isis members and their families.
Those children have legal rights. If they are UK citizens (and my assumption is that they are), then in principle they should be allowed back in, unless there is a significant reason to believe that they are a danger to the society (ie if they have a history of being an ISIS operative at the age of 16 for example).
And even then an argument can be made that they should be let back in because they are citizens and if we deny entry to citizens now for this reason we may deny it in future for another (ie for not being progressive enough).

In either case I think that they should face a due process (a trial with the proper appeal process if there is a significant reason to suspect that they are going to be a problem) and not just a slap on by the executive branch.

[Jimbuna]

Here in the UK there are already procedures in place and due process is adhered to.

[Rockstar]

I know from media sources regarding immigration procedures at our southern border. It is thought to be a fate worse than death for a child to be separated from their parents.

[Jimbuna]

I consider there to be a distinct difference between children of illegal immigrants and those of terrorists and their supporters.

[Commander Wallace]

I consider there to be a distinct difference between children of illegal immigrants and those of terrorists and their supporters.


:yep: My thoughts exactly.

[ikalugin]

Sure, one group is not made out of your country's citizens and the other is. Now if you do not let the children of terrorists back in, does this mean that you deny their voting rights?



Now immagine if you can deny voting rights based not on what you did but on what you parents (ancestors) did. Do we deny voting rights to the children of NAZI party members in Germany? Do we deny voting rights to white people in US?

[Jimbuna]

I do not 'imagine' anything but firmly hold the opinion that anyone who could be a potential threat to my country and the society within that country be kept out.

You can streeeeeeetch out all the unrelated and hypothetical examples you desire but I prefer to stay on topic.

[eddie]

That's a tough question about the children Jim, feel sorry for the little ones who are caught in the middle of s situation they had no part in creating. I'm glad I am not in the position to make that kind of decision.

[mapuc]

I also think it depends on how old these children are and how long time they have been under ISIS control.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

That's a tough question about the children Jim, feel sorry for the little ones who are caught in the middle of s situation they had no part in creating. I'm glad I am not in the position to make that kind of decision.

Me too matey.

I also think it depends on how old these children are and how long time they have been under ISIS control.

Markus

Once they reach the age of criminal responsibility I would have thought.

[em2nought]

Meanwhile in the category of people the UK feels need to be locked up: I wonder if you'll kick this mom out for calling someone the "supposedly" wrong gender? :D
https://www.theblaze.com/news/uk-mom-who-was-arrested-in-front-of-kids-jailed-for-7-hours-after-calling-transgender-activist-the-wrong-gender-is-charged


By the use of the word "someone" am I guilty too? Do I have to say some "being" instead? This brave new world is so confusing. :D

[Jimbuna]

Going to the 'What are the details?' section of the article gives more information of her 'persistent' behaviour.