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Kapitan
04-09-19, 02:12 PM
So who do you think could possibly be the greatest military commander of all time? Maybe its Churchill or Nimitz maybe it could even be Storming Norman of desert storm!

Well this is my fellow writer thinks should win the accolade lets see what you think


https://www.immortalwordsmith.co.uk/greatest-military-commander/

Eichhörnchen
04-09-19, 02:30 PM
I'd suggest that George Patton represented the inevitable clash between the old fashioned conquerer and the new 20th Century soldier who had to be politically accountable; Monty was a general ever mindful of the new order of political consideration of the world that would remain after conflict

Perhaps then you can't compare like with like when putting up the old world generals against the new... but for for audacity, romance and glamour I'd choose Patton, with his feet not very firmly planted in the past and in the present

Aktungbby
04-09-19, 03:44 PM
Hari Singh Nalwa!:Kaleun_Salute:

vienna
04-09-19, 05:31 PM
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Armistead
04-09-19, 06:16 PM
General Lee:D

Eisenwurst
04-09-19, 06:58 PM
Hannibal's near contemporaries reckoned he was the best. Hannibal himself said Pyrrhus of Epirus was the best ( buggerall historical data survives, and Hannibal would've known far more than we do today ).

Alexander was left a peerless army with superb generals by his late father, to write his place in history.

Gustav Adolphus, Charles XII, both dynamic charismatic leaders.

Closer to our times there's Napoleon - the stuff of legend.

In WW2 Von Manstein was good at stabilising catastrophes.......

Napoleon gets my vote, and he played a mean guitar ( true ).
Fantasy commander - Xena. :D

August
04-09-19, 07:12 PM
I'd say it was impossible to accurately pick a best military commander out of all human history. It is too varied and extensive. Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Xenophon, Rommel, Jackson, Patton, Wellington, Hannibal, von Lettow, Napoleon, Cortez, Nelson, Schwartzkopf to name a few, each was great in his own time. All could be argued as better or worse than the others.

Kptlt. Neuerburg
04-09-19, 10:09 PM
Sun Tzu. :D

Reece
04-10-19, 03:37 AM
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I concur:

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Jimbuna
04-10-19, 06:18 AM
I'd say it was impossible to accurately pick a best military commander out of all human history. It is too varied and extensive. Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Xenophon, Rommel, Jackson, Patton, Wellington, Hannibal, von Lettow, Napoleon, Cortez, Nelson, Schwartzkopf to name a few, each was great in his own time. All could be argued as better or worse than the others.

Pretty much agree and I'm positive it wasn't Hitler.

Commander Wallace
04-10-19, 07:05 AM
I'd say it was impossible to accurately pick a best military commander out of all human history. It is too varied and extensive. Julius Caesar, Alexander the Great, Xenophon, Rommel, Jackson, Patton, Wellington, Hannibal, von Lettow, Napoleon, Cortez, Nelson, Schwartzkopf to name a few, each was great in his own time. All could be argued as better or worse than the others.


I would agree as well. In modern times, I would also add Air Force Gen. Charles Horner who coordinated with " Stormin Norman " Schwartzkopf so well to " soften " up enemy opposition in an effort to minimize troop loses.

mapuc
04-10-19, 11:40 AM
Throughout our history many great military commander have lived.

And each of them had different type of skills that made them the greatest in their time and after they had died.

I would put them into category

Greatest military commander on land throughout our history
greatest military commander at Sea throughout our history
and in the last 100 years or so....
Greatest military commander in the Air throughout our history

Markus

bstanko6
04-10-19, 02:54 PM
As far as battles won.., Napoleon!

He was able to win several battles during several campaigns at one time.

Skybird
04-10-19, 03:50 PM
Which tool is the best?


Depends on the task needed to be done, and manufacturer.



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An old joke from GDR times: Who was the biggest military commander? Walter Ulbricht. Made thousands to flee, took millions of prisoners.

Platapus
04-10-19, 05:27 PM
I don't think it is possible to fairly compare generals across the years.


Caesar would have sucked as a General/Admiral in WWII pacific and Nimitz would have been worthless against the Spartans.



In each case, they would be totally out of their element

Platapus
04-10-19, 05:31 PM
If the question is who is the biggest tool, that would be Norman Schwartzkopf. I could not think of a bigger tool than he was during the Gulf War, but that's just a personal opinion

August
04-10-19, 07:06 PM
Pretty much agree and I'm positive it wasn't Hitler.


Definitely. Although he was a veteran, in my book hitler was more of a political leader than a military commander, albeit one who didn't hesitate to kibitz military strategy (based on his vast experience as a corporal).

Of the few commander examples that I mentioned earlier some were political leaders too but they were also generals who led their armies and fleets into battle and to me that's the criterion for choosing greatest military commanders.

ET2SN
04-10-19, 11:46 PM
I don't think it is possible to fairly compare generals across the years.


Caesar would have sucked as a General/Admiral in WWII pacific and Nimitz would have been worthless against the Spartans.



In each case, they would be totally out of their element


Agreed. :up:

Consider for a moment Gen. Lee Butler.
Most of you are saying "Who?" but Lee Butler was the last CINC-SAC and had more firepower under his command than many nations.
He was also one of the few CINC-SACs who actually looked into SAC's total war plan (SIOP) and came away from the experience not angry but shocked.

Targets weren't important due to their location, targets were important because that was how many warheads we had. :o

Somehow, he managed to turn most of it off.

I would gladly buy the guy a beer. :Kaleun_Salute:

Dmitry Markov
04-11-19, 05:29 AM
Talking in general - that would be Napoleon.

Being more patriotic - Admiral Ushakov - the more I study his life and career, the more I admire him. Nearly always fought being outnumbered and outclassed by enemies - never lost any of his 43 battles, never lost a ship and none of his men has ever been taken POW.

Platapus
04-11-19, 03:08 PM
Agreed. :up:

Consider for a moment Gen. Lee Butler.
Most of you are saying "Who?" but Lee Butler was the last CINC-SAC




Lots of memories about being at SAC. Most of them are good memories, but all of them were interesting.



It was a different era..

STEED
04-11-19, 03:14 PM
Totally impossible to say due to so many factors in history.

ET2SN
04-11-19, 06:27 PM
Lots of memories about being at SAC. Most of them are good memories, but all of them were interesting.



It was a different era..


I grew up inside the thermonuclear footprint of Loring AFB. :D
Open House days at the base were a great time. We'd go up to see the planes on display and there were always the T Birds or the Blue Angels but everyone ALWAYS made a bee line to see the Master SGT from Louisville. He'd have a table set up with BBQ that would curl your toes. :yeah:
Actually, as it turned out, we lived really close to the IP for the Ashland (Me.) bomb plot.
If we saw six B-52's flying low level near the house, it was a normal day.
I saw at least ten of them one day and told my folks that we should watch the news that night. That was the day the TWA flight crashed at Lockerbee. :o
I wound up later on with a work study job setting up physics labs for the comm. college next to the crew ready room and its ominous "no lone zone" sign on the door.
I had a really good buddy in high school who got into "the family business" and wound up working the flight line at Pease before he became a crew chief on one of the 509th's FB-111s. He made it 22 years before he retired out. :up:

I was on the Bremerton and home ported in Pearl back in 1991-92 when we figured out the cold war was finally over. It was weird, it finally felt like you could exhale.

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