Holy horology Batman, I think I found my next watch [Archive]

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Platapus

03-08-19, 07:17 PM

Lately I have been getting the itch for another watch. I am especially interested in one of the newer watches that receives updates from GPS instead of from WWVB (which may be going away)

The Seiko Astron and the Citizen Satellite wave were interesting and I was leaning toward the Citizen.. then I found Trume.

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BTY, that's probably a life size image as this is a BIG watch :)

It is made by Epson which is owned by the same company that owns Seiko. It is a JDM watch but there are international sales.

https://www.ablogtowatch.com/epson-trume-advanced-analog-watch/

This watch comes in two basic groups of models. The first comes with a rather silly external sensor pack that connects to the watch by Bluetooth. Not interested in that one. The one I am interested in is is the TR-mb7001 non bluetooth model.

This analog watch has some pretty interesting and unique functions for an analog watch.

-GPS time sync
-Chronograph
-Titanium case with 100m WR
-Altimeter way cool on an analog watch but probably not very practical
-Compass which is way cool on an analog watch and probably very practical
-Barometer, which like the altimeter is cool but not all that practical
-Two point way point tracker. Allows you to set a base location and then from a second location it will tell you the distance and the LOS direction. This I think is the coolest function. Don't see that on an analog watch!
- 11 entry log of some of these functions. Can't imagine ever using that, but a cool feature.
- A nice, to me, uncluttered dial as compared to the Astron and the Satellite wave.

All this for a slightly unreasonable price of about $2,200 which is expensive but not that out of the line compared to the Seiko and Citizen and they don't have these features.

If you spring for the Bluetooth model you get all these features plus

- UV level sensor
- Temperature sensor
- Pedometer
- Calorie burning calculator

None of these really interests me and besides I can't take a bluetooth device to work.

Because this is a JDM watch, there is little advertisement here in the US.

I am doing some serious horological drooling here. Getting the itch bad. :D

JU_88

03-08-19, 07:55 PM

Is it actually the size of kitchen clock like it is on my screen :o
If so, remind me not to pick fight with you :D
Joking aside - very nice!

Mr Quatro

03-08-19, 08:58 PM

Nice watch Platapus a little too expensive for me (that's a down payment on a car) :D

I like this one more to my speed and only $34.95 includes free shipping

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/91EgExdxyNL._SY500._SX._UX._SY._UY_.jpg

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B071KWGY4P/ref=s9_acsd_top_hd_bw_b6wJmSp_c_x_w?pf_rd_m=ATVPDK IKX0DER&pf_rd_s=merchandised-search-11&pf_rd_r=71YFK2ZESEJWM0BW0FHR&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=b59f3e14-822d-5cbd-8239-19bfccaac4f6&pf_rd_i=6358539011&th=1

Commander Wallace

03-08-19, 10:24 PM

Sean C

03-09-19, 01:59 AM

-Chronograph
-Titanium case with 100m WR
-Altimeter
-Compass
-Barometer
-Temperature sensor

I have a Casio digital with all of the above features. I wore it daily for a few years and I still really like it. It also has a relatively large case, but - being made of titanium - it is still one of the lightest watches I own. I never actually used any of these features*, but I did enjoy playing around with them from time to time. Just keep in mind that, if the Trume is similar to the Casio, the altimeter works by measuring barometric pressure - so it needs to be calibrated based on the current local conditions. Otherwise, it really only shows the difference in altitude between locations, as opposed to accurate absolute ASL altitude.

The compass is also sensitive to interference from any nearby magnetic material. (As is any magnetic compass.) So you need to be aware of any potential sources of interference. This includes large deposits of iron in the surrounding area. You will also need to be aware of the magnetic declination in the area you intend to use the compass. (My Casio has the option of manually correcting for declination.) The compass could be re-calibrated fairly easily by the user, though.

I have also been interested lately in watches which update via GPS. The potential shutdown of WWVB being the primary reason. (I own several watches which use this signal.) However, I think it is ultimately unlikely that the station will be shut down, given that most [if not all] radio updated clocks in the U.S. use this signal. Also, one thing I have discovered is that receiving the GPS signal seems to be a big drain on the battery. My Casio is solar powered (and still going strong after several years), so I never had to worry about the battery.

I must say though: the Trume is a very smart looking watch. And if it makes you happy ... go for it. I love all of my watches - for different reasons - but still, I love them just the same.

The watch looks like a great watch but how well does it keep time ?

This was my primary reason for buying the watch I currently wear: a Bulova Precisionist. When it was first introduced, Bulova claimed an accuracy of ± 10 seconds per year. They later backed off of that statement a little - changing it to something like "seconds per year" (i.e. less than a minute). Careful observation of my own Precisionist indicates a constant rate of about +0.2017 seconds per day ... or about +1m13s per year. Still pretty good if you ask me. And keep in mind this is without radio or GPS updates.

*I did use the barometer - rather successfully - to get an idea of the weather in the near future.

Sean C

03-09-19, 02:02 AM

Jimbuna

03-09-19, 06:30 AM

Nice looking watch but I guess I'll stick with the one my wife gave me for Christmas (Seiko 7T92).

https://i.imgur.com/8dxS1lt.jpg

Onkel Neal

03-09-19, 07:29 AM

Nice watch, Plat. That's some crazy good tech and quality. I also like the black face model. Wouldn't do for me, though, it would get all beat up and I would end up hanging myself.

Does it light up in the dark like a Timex Indiglo where you can read it?
https://thumbs.img-sprzedajemy.pl/1000x901c/2a/a8/ff/zegarek-meski-timex-expedition-indiglo-nowy-na-reke-479937276.jpg

I like the idea of a Trume, though. I can see where it would be handy. Say I got into a heated discussion with someone, I could pull back my sleeve and show the watch, they would fall to their knees in submission. Nice!

:shucks:

Platapus

03-09-19, 07:29 AM

Oh ... one more thing: also keep in mind that if you want to measure the temperature of the air where you are - you will have to take the watch off and leave it sitting for some time before taking the reading. Otherwise, you will be taking the temperature of your wrist ... which is not very useful. :D

That's why the temperature function is only available with the bluetooth models that come with that rather silly external sensor pack.

Platapus

03-09-19, 08:26 AM

I have a Casio digital with all of the above features.

The Casio G-Shock line is probably the best value watch if you are looking for function. I just don't care for how a lot of the Casio hybrid watches look, but that's just a personal preference. The MTG is a nice one too.

If it were not for the looks, I would have no issue buying some of the Casio's. They are very good watches.

Concerning the Bulova Percisionist, They are using a quartz frequency that is about 8 times faster than more traditional quartz watches. Faster frequency means that individual variations are more easily "averaged" out. It is a less expensive way to get close to the thermally compensated quartz watches in the HAQ (High accuracy Quartz) family of watches.

HAQs are more accurate, but also more expensive. Longenes VHP will run you about $800 and that is about as cheap as you can get for HAQ's of any quality.

Watch accuracy is a constant leapfrog of technology.

The best mechanical watch for tens of thousands of dollars can be less accurate than the worst quartz watch for a few dollars.

But what does accuracy really mean?

Accuracy only applies when compared to an external source. What people generally consider accuracy is actually variance. How many seconds does the watch vary from day to day.

The terms are often used interchangeably but they are, in fact, different concepts.

Your best mechanical chronometers will have a variance of -2/+2 seconds per day when new. A traditional quartz watch will have a variance of about -15/+15 seconds a month. Temperature has the biggest effect on the variance of quartz movements. HAQ's use a thermal compensator to mitigate the variances due to temperature changes.

Higher end quartz movements (Sometimes referred to as "culled and cooked") have a variance of about -5/+5 seconds a month.

HAQ have a variance of about -10/+10 seconds a year. The Longenes VHP claims -5/+5 seconds a year and testing seems to support this.

The practical aspect of variance is how long can your watch operate between synchronization to another source (time signal for example) and therefore remain "accurate".

All watches are accurate just after synchronization

If you could sync a watch every second, any cheap watch on the market would be accurate. But syncing that often is difficult and counter productive.

The advent of the radio and GPS updated watch is to make it easier to sync the watch. That's what that technology does for you.

Something to keep in mind. A radio or GPS watch is not more accurate than any other quartz watch. It is just that a radio or GPS watch is easier to sync more often. If you manually sync a mechanical or quartz watch as often as a radio or GPS watch, the relative accuracy will be about the same, depending on the quality of the quartz or mechanical movement.

Manually syncing a watch is .. ahem.. time consuming and not alway convenient. :D

For example, the Seiko Astron uses a traditional quartz movement and has a variance of -15/+15 seconds a month
The Citizen Satellite wave watch uses a "cooked" quartz movement and has a variance of -5/+5 seconds a month.

That means that if, for some reason, both watches are synced at the same time on the first of the month only, by the end of the month, the Astron has the potential of being less accurate than the Satellite wave.

But of course the whole idea of a GPS watch is to be able to either automatically sync or manually sync to the GPS signal quickly and easily.

Some of the GPS watches can update the time only in about 3-6 seconds which is pretty quick and easy. You can sync your watch every time you walk from your car to your building....I can't imagine why, but you could.

After syncing, both watches will have the same accuracy. As long as each watch can sync every few days, the differences in the variance between the two watches will be insignificant.

Trapped in an endless staff meeting, and both of these expensive GPS watches will be just as accurate at more traditional and less expensive watches.

(TLDRBHCPIAPJAJWSU*) Variance only effects how often you need to sync your watch in order to keep it accurate enough for your purposes.

Radio and GPS watches are not more accurate but are more easily synced.

*TLDRBHCPIAPJAJWSU - Too long Didn't Read Because Holy Crap Platapus Is a Pompous Jerk And Just Won't Shut Up!

Platapus

03-09-19, 08:31 AM

I like the idea of a Trume, though. I can see where it would be handy. Say I got into a heated discussion with someone, I could pull back my sleeve and show the watch, they would fall to their knees in submission. Nice!

:shucks:

Unfortunately, you would have to get in to the habit of wearing the Trume on alternate wrists. That way both arms get a workout!

But seriously, the only practical use of this watch is being able to walk in to a horology meeting, push a button and then tell all the people who have multi-thousand dollar mechanical watches:

"Hey dudes, just for your information, this IS the correct time, Bye!"

:up:

Onkel Neal

03-09-19, 08:32 AM

Unfortunately, you would have to get in to the habit of wearing the Trume on alternate wrists. That way both arms get a workout!

But seriously, the only practical use of this watch is being able to walk in to a horology meeting, push a button and then tell all the people who have multi-thousand dollar mechanical watches:

"Hey dudes, just for your information, this IS the correct time, Bye!"

:up:

Yeah, but this is a pretty cool thread, thanks for starting it. :Kaleun_Salute:

Platapus

03-09-19, 08:44 AM

This is what I am wearing now. Omega Seamaster 2254

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4072/4631601778_2e2f869161_b.jpg
To me, it is one of the nicer looking watches that Omega made. I was looking at getting one of the new co-axial Seamasters, but I just don't like the skeleton hands. I much prefer the "sword" hands on the 2254. Omega stopped making the 2254 about 10 years ago.

If they could take the 2254 and put the new co-axial movement inside it would probably be one of those

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Aktungbby

03-09-19, 11:31 AM

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/323337288719_/George-J-von-Burg-Men-New-Swiss-Made.jpg :Kaleun_Wink:MY FIELD WATCH ON DUTY AND WORLD TRAVEL COMPANION IS THE GEORGE J VON BURG 'TRIPLE DATE' WITH CHRONO, MOONPHASE DATEHAND AND 24-HOUR AND SMALL SECONDS HAND AT THE 9 O'CLOCK POSITION-:Kaleun_Los:11 FUNCTIONS ON A MECHANICAL WATCH ! ON A FABULOUS VALJOUX 7751 MOVEMENT. I'M ALREADY INTO IT FOR ONE MAINSPRING ($700) REPLACEMNT AND RECENTLY HAD TO REPLACE THE DOUBLE- STITCH CROC BAND WITH A SLIGHTLY INFERIOR ONE AFTER OVER A DECADE OF CONSTANT WEAR. THE GERMAN FLIERGER STYLE HANDS ARE EASY TO READ AT NIGHT AND THE WHOLE PIECE JUST 'SINGS TO MY WRIST'! https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=12810 ONLY FIFTY WERE EVER MADE. FRANKLY IT SAVES ME MONEY; I SEE OTHER WATCHES OF INTEREST THAT MAKE ME DROOL HOROLOGICALLY :Kaleun_Salivating: BUT THEN SENSIBLY CONCLUDE "I'M ALREADY WEARING IT":O: THE OTHER OF MY FAVORITES WAS GIFT FROM A LOCAL JEWELRY SHOP OWNER WHO LEFT THE KEYS IN HER SHOP'S FRONT DOOR ABSENTMINDEDLY. IT IS MY '60'S WAKMANN ON A VENUS 178 MOVEMENT. WHAT IS CHARMING ABOUT THIS ONE IS THE THREE SUBHAND-DIALS ARE ALL DIFFERENT!:up: THEY DON'T DO THAT LITTLE STUFF ANYMORE. https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/LFcAAOSwImRYNe8o/s-l225.jpg < THIS PUPPY SITS BY THE COMPUTER AND GET WOUND MANUALLY ....EVERY DAY!:yeah: I TEND TO FROWN ON ALL THE NEW APPLE WATCHEShttps://cdn12.bestreviews.com/images/v4desktop/product-matrix/05f86ca74b4d42ffbc968e22004ef2a7.jpeg NOT BEING ENTIRELY A 'MAN OF THE 21ST CENTURY' :yep:BUT I WOULDN'T HESITATE TO WEAR ONE IF ENTERING A SAUDI EMBASSY:O: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/khashoggi-apple-watch-recording-in-saudi-embassy-nearly-impossible.html (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/khashoggi-apple-watch-recording-in-saudi-embassy-nearly-impossible.html) Two (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/khashoggi-apple-watch-recording-in-saudi-embassy-nearly-impossible.html) senior Turkish officials revealed the existence of an object that may provide important clues to the fate of Jamal Khashoggi, a Saudi journalist who disappeared in Istanbul last week: The black Apple watch he was wearing when he entered his country’s consulate.
The watch was connected to a mobile phone he left outside, Reuters quoted the Turkish officials as saying on Oct. 10.

Platapus

03-09-19, 12:09 PM

GEORGE J VON BURG 'ON A FABULOUS VALJOUX 7751 MOVEMENT.

Nice!! What year?

Platapus

03-09-19, 12:22 PM

Is it actually the size of kitchen clock like it is on my screen :o

Not quite, but close. The diameter of the face is about 50mm That's a large watch. With the metal bracelet it is tipping the scales at 135 grams which is a Quarter Pounder!

My Seamaster, no tiny watch in itself, is a measly 40mm. But it is a chunky 141 grams so the Trueme is bigger but lighter. Mechanical watches have heavy stuff inside of them. :D

Mr Quatro

03-09-19, 12:24 PM

I would like a watch that is a stop watch too in order to mark how long it takes to wait for my order or how long I exercised, but I don't like the ones with little dials inside of the big dial.

I would like one that uses the whole face of the watch ... perhaps a fit watch is what I'm looking for.

@Commander Wallace

How can you have a Invicta Rolex style watch for 100.00 dollars, plus remember the salesman will charge you more if your wearing a rolex.

Aktungbby

03-09-19, 12:55 PM

Nice!! What year? About 2008 I believe. I bought it on Tim Temple 's Evine TV show for $1600. George J Von BurgIV was on the show and I only got the last one due to another buyers fall-thru creditcard!!! The only time I've indulged in such rashness with a credit card. The watch hit the tile floor about 2011 seriously jarring and damaging the chrongraph function which wouldn't stop until 2018, & adding to the workload of the movement when I finally got the worn mainspring replaced. One does not unlock the crown to adjust between 10 PM & 02:00AM when all is in motion to advance the date hand, month and day wheels, and incremental moonphase functions. On a watchwinder, it is set on right turn ; 1000 turns to stay wound when not worn. In upscale shops on the planet (incl Harrod's) several have looked at it on my wrist...and exclaimed "That's a real watch!" It helps because when the sales jerks know you're a knowledgeable fanatic, the markup price suddenly begins to drop....:hmmm: Good God I just remembered I gotta "spring forward" an hour on all my watches, even my 3 'perpetual calender' solar powered Citizens' will need to be adjusted.

Platapus

03-09-19, 02:01 PM

Sometimes you have to grab the good deals when they happen. Sorry about the droppage. :wah:

Aktungbby

03-09-19, 02:50 PM

A man was moving and carrying his grandfather clock to the moving truck at the curb and ran into a man on the sidewalk. They both fell to the sidewalk. The guy who was carrying the clock yelled, " why don't you watch where you are walking. "

The man who was run over yelled back, " why don't you wear a wrist watch like everyone else. " :D

The watch looks like a great watch but how well does it keep time ? I would consider the Invicta Rolex style watch for 100.00 dollars or the Seiko diver watch for about 250.00 dollars.

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pwJY2iGmBL8/maxresdefault.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiQvNf0jfTgAhVJNd8KHd0sC84QjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3Dpw JY2iGmBL8&psig=AOvVaw11IMWzXTzpIFWmueiMqYir&ust=1552188234726145)Hey Commander!:Kaleun_Salute: a Croton https://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/22269855/P27922511.jpg?imwidth=320&impolicy=medium will suffice for your Rolex knock-off! A nice Japanese automatic movement I got mine at Big 5 for $50 and the local Rolex dealer is even impressed! Plus you can hand it over to a highend bling-bandit on the mean streets without much ado!:O::yeah: My dive watch is my wife's Seiko 150 meter groom gift to me of 38 years; worn in all oceans of the planet. Note the crown at the four o'clock position to reduce the risk of rock hits at depth. All real dive watches should hav this imho! I had watch serviced by Seiko to guarantee the watertightness when I noticed it slowing in the mid nineties; it still loses 5 minutes a week- even on the auto winder; https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/819-oW5YTVL._AC_SR201,266_.jpg<essential equipment $900+-- and the rotating bezel saves lives when computing air consumption 100 feet down hunting ferocious 40 lb+ lingcod in their Monterey wall cave hidouts....at night with a red lamp. https://www.montereybayaquarium.org/-/m/images/animal-guide/fishes/lingcod.jpg?bc=white&h=1853&mh=738&mw=1312&w=3284&usecustomfunctions=1&cropx=0&cropy=209While guarding eggs, unique to the west coast: 5 feet (1.5 m), 70 pounds (32 kg); females are larger than males. lingcod have been known to attack humans. A lingcod's coloration makes this ambush predator well camouflaged in its rocky hideaway. Lingcod rely on surprise to capture prey—and on their large mouths, which have 18 sharp teeth to hold their catch securely. Their small, pointed teeth are interspersed with large, fanglike teeth. Like most bottom dwellers, lingcod are solitary fish and usually stray only a short distance from their rocky home base. I kept the scratched crystal as patina from long use is a factor of the watches value.:yeah: https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/yagAAOSw6GJcfRQv/s-l225.jpg
My skin is allergic to the rubber band so I got a Walmart stainless steel bracelet capable of going over a neoprene suit sleeve...big, easy to read.... and still seeing heavy action on the high seas BBY!:Kaleun_Cheers: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=9413

mapuc

03-09-19, 04:20 PM

Platapus

03-09-19, 05:35 PM

Crikey, take your pick from the G-Shock series. :up:

One of the many nice things about Casio is that there are so many different models, you can line them up by function and choose which functions you want and there is probably a model that has all the functionality you want and none that you don't want. Of course you will have to accept the lower price and increased durability. :D

Seriously, the only issue with some of the Casio watches is the looks. If you like or can tolerate how they look, I don't think you can find a better value in multi-function watches.

There are Casio models that have exactly what I am looking for, but, for me, the looks are just too much. It is strictly a personal preference.

But even though I think that some of the Casio watches are fugly, I can still respect the craftsmanship and quality.

The new G-shock Mudmaster series is about as good as you can get, but unless your daily work outfit is camaflauge and the only make-up you wear is camo face paint, these watches don't exactly blend in well in a business environment. But from a cooleo factor, it is pretty cool. :up:

If you want a more traditional design, there is the G-steel model line

The G-shock line of products range from $99.00 to almost a thousand. Which is pretty good considering that there are a lot of watch manufacturers where their bottom line watch starts above 1K :o:o

If they could just dial down the ugly to 10, I might consider it. :03:

Platapus

03-09-19, 05:49 PM

I like Casio so I would like to know a little more about this Casio.

Markus

Checkout the Casio Protrek and Pathfinder models.

Commander Wallace

03-09-19, 05:50 PM

This was my primary reason for buying the watch I currently wear: a Bulova Precisionist. When it was first introduced, Bulova claimed an accuracy of ± 10 seconds per year. They later backed off of that statement a little - changing it to something like "seconds per year" (i.e. less than a minute). Careful observation of my own Precisionist indicates a constant rate of about +0.2017 seconds per day ... or about +1m13s per year. Still pretty good if you ask me. And keep in mind this is without radio or GPS updates.

*I did use the barometer - rather successfully - to get an idea of the weather in the near future.

Nathan. I have a gold, square face cased Bulova with a black face / Bezel. It has always kept great time and is somewhat small and unobtrusive as time pieces go. I don't think anyone can go wrong with the offerings by Seiko, Pulsar or Citizen. They all make great time pieces / watches for a reasonable cost. They have a Quartz movement and in these offerings, I have never seen one that wasn't accurate. I also have a Pulsar diver watch that looks similar to Rolex but has a black case and bezel with chrome hands and a blue seconds hand. It's a quartz movement and cost me $150.00 a few years ago. It's still in great shape and keeps excellent time.

The Invicta Rolex style diver watches can be had for between $75.00- $ 250.00 I am listing the Amazon web site. Invicta's use a Seiko NH35A SII automatic movement and sweeping second hand. It’s a 24 jewel reliable workhorse, but it is low beat at 21,600 bph with accuracy of about + or - 15 seconds a day. Unfortunately, I have seen 2 Invicta watches purchased about the same time and similar styles with identical movements. One was completely accurate while the other lost a few minutes within an hour's time. That tells me that buying an invicta is a hit or miss proposition and consistency and quality control is iffy, at best.

https://www.amazon.com/Invicta-8926OB-Stainless-Automatic-Bracelet/dp/B000JQFX1G

I think the watch JimBuna has is one of the best you can get for a reasonable cost.

[QUOTE=Aktungbby;2595969]Hey Commander!:Kaleun_Salute: a Croton https://ak1.ostkcdn.com/images/products/22269855/P27922511.jpg?imwidth=320&impolicy=medium will suffice for your Rolex knock-off! A nice Japanese automatic movement I got mine at Big 5 for $50 and the local Rolex dealer is even impressed! Plus you can hand it over to a highend bling-bandit on the mean streets without much ado!:O::yeah: My dive watch is my wife's Seiko 150 meter groom gift to me of 38 years; worn in all oceans of the planet. Note the crown at the four o'clock position to reduce the risk of rock hits at depth. All real dive watches should hav this imho! I had watch serviced by Seiko to guarantee the watertightness when I noticed it slowing in the mid nineties; it still loses 5 minutes a week- even on the auto winder; <essential equipment $900+-- and the rotating bezel saves lives when computing air consumption 100 feet down hunting ferocious 40 lb+ lingcod in their Monterey wall cave hidouts....at night with a red lamp. While guarding eggs, unique to the west coast: 5 feet (1.5 m), 70 pounds (32 kg); females are larger than males. lingcod have been known to attack humans. A lingcod's coloration makes this ambush predator well camouflaged in its rocky hideaway. Lingcod rely on surprise to capture prey—and on their large mouths, which have 18 sharp teeth to hold their catch securely. Their small, pointed teeth are interspersed with large, fanglike teeth. Like most bottom dwellers, lingcod are solitary fish and usually stray only a short distance from their rocky home base. I kept the scratched crystal as patina from long use is a factor of the watches value.:yeah: https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/yagAAOSw6GJcfRQv/s-l225.jpg
My skin is allergic to the rubber band so I got a Walmart stainless steel bracelet capable of going over a neoprene suit sleeve...big, easy to read.... and still seeing heavy action on the high seas BBY!:Kaleun_Cheers:

I had never heard of the Croton but I still think the Seiko Watch Like JimBuna's and others are hard to beat with regards to quality and cost. With your diving and being on the water, your needs in a watch are probably greater than the average person needs. Mr Quatro had mentioned an inexpensive Timex and for the average person, the value is hard to beat as well.

I like my Seiko, Pulsar and Citizen watches as they have never disappointed me.
Thanks for the input gentlemen. :Kaleun_Salute:

Sean C

03-10-19, 12:46 AM

Someone mentioned Casio digital with same type of stuff like this Trume watch.

Chronograph
-Titanium case with 100m WR
-Altimeter
-Compass
-Barometer
-Temperature sensor

I like Casio so I would like to know a little more about this Casio.

Markus

Markus,

The one I own is a Pathfinder, as Platapus mentioned. The particular model I own is the PAW2000T (https://www.casio.com/products/watches/pro-trek/paw2000t-7).

https://i.imgur.com/1p9pfJr.png

But Casio makes a variety of watches with these functions ... and more. Just explore their website at the link above for more info.

And here is a pic of the Bulova model on my wrist most of the time. (But not right now as I am preparing to change it over to DST.)

https://i.imgur.com/OAuhorz.png

Sean C

03-10-19, 03:22 AM

Accuracy only applies when compared to an external source. What people generally consider accuracy is actually variance. How many seconds does the watch vary from day to day.

The terms are often used interchangeably but they are, in fact, different concepts.

I find this very interesting. I'm no horology expert, by any means - but I have never heard the term "variance" used in connection with timekeepers of any sort. The term I have heard used in this sense is "rate" - usually in connection with a ship's chronometer. The "rate" of a ship's chronometer (i.e. the amount of seconds fast or slow per unit of time) is usually determined every three years or so (the recommended interval of time between adjustments) by a qualified individual and then recorded and reported to the user of the chronometer so that they may make the necessary adjustments to their observations.

In my experience, the "accuracy" of a chronometer refers to the consistency of its "rate". In other words, when the Board of Longitude was looking for an "accurate" timepiece (or some other solution to the longitude problem), they weren't necessarily looking for a chronometer that would always show the correct Greenwich time. What they were looking for was a timepiece that could be corrected by a known [and stable] rate - such that the actual time at Greenwich could be determined by applying the necessary correction. A very difficult problem when considering that the only technology available at the time was mechanical and subjected to the pitching and rolling of a ship. This highlights the genius of John Harrison and his designs.

But, of course, this is all just semantics. What really matters is that we all understand that what we mean when we are using these terms. A much more common confusion occurs when discussing "accuracy" vs. "precision".

This leads me to an odd side note about my current everyday watch - the Bulova Precisionist. Bulova [at one time] was well known for their "Accutron" watch. This watch used a tuning fork instead of a balance wheel to regulate the timekeeping. It was a revolutionary technology at the time which made the Accutron more - well ... accurate than the average watch. The technology was so iconic that Bulova adopted the tuning fork as their logo.

Fast forward to today and we have the "Precisionist". This watch uses a three-pronged quartz crystal to achieve a more stable "rate" (or variance) than the average watch. And for the first runs, Bulova included the tuning fork logo on these watches - even though these watches did not use the same tuning fork technology as the Accutron watches. But now, in a well publicized move, Bulova has decided to remove the tuning fork logo from all of its watches except for the Accutron series - which presumably still uses this technology.

However, my Precisionist still bears the tuning fork logo at the top of the uppermost sub-dial (where the word "Bulova" appears in my picture) whereas the "Bulova" designation resides at the bottom of said sub-dial. Perhaps this is why I was able to purchase the watch at 60% off the recommended retail price at JacobTime.com (https://www.jacobtime.com/index.php). Or maybe not ... IDK.

Anyway ... cheers!

-Nathaniel

Platapus

03-10-19, 11:41 AM

Thank you for pointing out that in my long bombastic post I neglected to drone on about the third factor that can affect what is considered accuracy in a watch -- Loss/gain. Yikes, that's a pretty important thing to leave out. So let me repair with an even longer and more bombastic post. That' will learn ya!

Accuracy is an absolute instantaneous comparison to an external source. That source can be anything which is why whenever the term accuracy is used, it needs to be followed up with either to what extent or to what. With watches is is ass-umed to be accurate when compared to an atomic time signal, but that is not always a safe assumption. Nothing can be accurate with regard to itself. That concept is called variance which I will cover next.

Accuracy is an instantaneous absolute value. For example: At this instant, my watch is -4 seconds from the NIST time signal. The next time I check, my watch may be +3 seconds from the NIST time signal. Like any set of absolute values, I can take a Mean, Median, and Mode to create all sorts of statistics. But it is incorrect to use the commonly used phrase "My watch is accurate to +/- 5 seconds." A lot of people do it including watch people, but it is not actually the correct way to express it. I can, however report that my watch is on the average (mean) +3 seconds from the NIST time signal. I can say that my watch's median (center) is -2 seconds and that the mode (majority) may be 0 seconds. I can even calculate standard deviations of this data if I want to ensure of never being invited out to parties.

Variance, on the other hand is an internal measurement. It is a measurement of how repeatable is the precision of the watch movement. Mechanical watches are often measured in Beats per Hour. An hour was chosen many years ago as a good period of representation. A specific watch's balance wheel may operate at 28,800 BPH. This is actually a common BPH. This translates down to 8 beats per second or 4 hertz.

So a 28,800 BPH watch "ticks" at 4 ticks per second. You can see this if you can look carefully or better yet record the movement and slow it down. You should see four tiny jumps between each second mark.

Generally speaking higher BPH CAN result in some variance being "averaged out". However, a well made 2.5 hz watch will be better than a poorly made 5 hz watch. How does this relate to variance?

No watch beats at exactly 28,800 beats per hour every hour. But they get close. Sometimes it beats at less than 28.8k and sometimes it beats more than 28.8k and sometimes it beats exactly 28.8k. This being a mechanical watch full of mechanical stuff, position, movement, and gravity are only three of about a million things that can affect the precision of a watch movement.

The range of these values is called variance. This has nothing directly to do with accuracy. This is just how predictable does the watch movement .. well.. move. :D

Variance is reported out as a range. This range may be centered over zero as in this watch has a variance of +/- 5 seconds a day (aka the range of between -5 and + 5 seconds). But it can also be centered over another number. For example some METAS certified watches have a variance of -0/+5. (centered over 2.5) But just to keep the math easy, let's just consider a watch that has a variance of -5/+5 seconds a day.

Let's take this watch and sync it to the NIST time signal or some other other recognized "correct time" reference. After 10 days what will the accuracy of this watch? (show your work)

Pencils down

It will be somewhere between -50 seconds and + 50 seconds from the time reference. -5 seconds per day times 10 days is pretty close to -50.

Assuming no other factors, it will be a Gaussian distribution around the reference zero. This is why it is important to know what the center reference is and it is mostly but not always zero.

Unfortunately, with anything mechanical, the phrase "assuming no other factors" is a fantasy as there are always external factors. But watch engineers work very hard to mitigate these factors. But let's continue in our fantasy world of no external factors to keep the numbers easy. That's the great thing about math -- you can create fantasy worlds where numbers work easy. Engineers have to deal with reality. :03:

This means that there is a tiny chance this watch will be -50 seconds and an equally tiny chance that this watch will be +50 seconds and a much larger chance it will be closer to zero difference. Now a watch with a smaller variance will have a greater chance of being close to zero than a watch with a wider variance. But at any one instant, a watch with a narrow variance may be less accurate than a watch with a larger variance!

But the odds are better with a smaller variance. Which is why watches with small variances are more difficult to make and are often more expensive. Adjusting the variance on a watch is a complicated process and often requires the disassembly of the mechanism.

Then there is the item I neglected to write about in my previous post. :oops:

Loss/gain. A loss/gain is a cumulative change in the accuracy of a watch over a period of observation. It is in one direction. A watch either gains or loses time. If a watch both loses and gains time, that is variance. The cumulative change in the accuracy is affected by the variance of the watch. The variance is not affected by the loss/gain.

HUH?:doh:

Here is an example I had with my watch.

My watch is a COSC certified chronometer that has a design variance of -4/+6 seconds per day. That's 10 seconds not centered at zero! Note that it is a design variance. Whether my watch actually has a variance of -4/+6 will have to be determined.

My watch had a loss of about 11 seconds a day. This loss was cumulative. One day after syncing, it was 11 seconds slow. The next day it was 22 seconds slow, the third day 33 seconds slow. Since this was a cumulative loss over a period of time, it is often called a Gain Rate or Loss Rate.

This being a loss and not a variance, there was no countering "+". This meant that my watch was experiencing a loss as opposed to an undesired variance.

True to Swiss precision, my watch was almost exactly 11 seconds slow. The actual variance values were between -2 and +4 according to my spreadsheet.

What? You don't keep a spreadsheet of the variances of YOUR watches???

This was actually good news as the variance was supposed to be -4/+6 but was actually -2/+4. This meant that my watch was very precisely inaccurate. If you are going to be wrong, at least be precisely wrong. :up:

Let's say for a counter example that my watch's accuracy varied thusly:

Day 1: -11 seconds
Day 2: -4 seconds
Day 3: +1 seconds
Day 4: +20 seconds

This would not be an indication of gain/loss but an indicator of the variance being out of specs. That would be an expensive fix :wah:

But my watch was, with great precision losing about 11 seconds a day. This meant that the repair consisted of demagnetizing the movement and performing what is called a regulation which is often (and in my case was) a simple physical adjustment of the watch. Omega did it for free (yea) but took three weeks to do it (boo). If it was a problem in variance, it would have taken about $600.00 MINIMUM and about 12 weeks to fix.

So we have three separate, but often commonly confused concepts that affect what is called accuracy.

Accuracy - Instantaneous absolute comparison to an external reference
Variance - Continuous changes, over a period of observation, of the repeated precision of the movement
Gain/loss - Cumulative change over a period of time of the accuracy.

Of course, in the real world, your watch is affected by all of these at the same time. Actually all clocks are affected by this.

Even the venerated Cesium clocks have variance. Very very tiny variances that have mostly insignificant impacts on reality, but they are there. This is why UTC is actually a group effort involving multiple atomic clocks from all around the world or across the flat world depending on your beliefs. It is actually a Time that is Universally Coordinated. :D

My rant about the misuse of the term UTC will have to wait for another bombastic post.

mapuc

03-10-19, 12:01 PM

Thank you Platapus and Nathaniel B.

Well one thing is what you like or prefer when it comes to wrist watch another thing is what you can afford

Markus

Platapus

03-10-19, 12:18 PM

Well a watch is both a tool for representing time and a piece of jewelry.

Everyone makes a decision on a watch by balancing these two against cost.

To some, the way a watch looks is more important than accuracy. Many of the fashion watches are like this. You can buy a fashion watch with a quartz movement and no indices on the face. So you precisely know, within a variance of +/- 15 seconds a month that it is somewhere about 10 minutes past the hour??? Yikes. The Frau is like this.

There are people who buy Rolex watches and never bother to sync them. They just wear them. Double yikes

Then there the other idiots who fixate on accuracy and variance and deny the fact that most people in the world don't operate at high accuracy times. The meeting starts at 10:00 so plan on arriving at 9:55. If you show up at 9:59:59.9 you most likely will have to sit at the table as all the good seats are taken. Since we have no actual friends, we bicker to ourselves that the meeting should have started 22 seconds ago.

Sad

These people buy a watch based more on variance than appearance and are the ones that keep rich Swiss/Japanese watch makers rich.

Double sad

More normal humans want something that is accurate enough, good looking enough, and inexpensive enough. While horologists look down on these people, the people don't notice as they are busy going out with girls and actually enjoying life!

At least I can spend my time on the internet looking at Time.gov and syncing anything I can including the cat. :)

Protip: The variance of a cat makes syncing rather pointless. But that does not mean that I stop trying.

I don't have a watch problem. Other people think I have a watch problem. :D

Platapus

03-11-19, 04:10 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m986siwzefs

I like this guy and his other watch reviews are pretty good and most entertaining.

Commander Wallace

03-12-19, 08:57 PM

I was thinking when I last posted in this thread. The accuracy of a watch is usually central to the watch type people choose in conjunction with the cost. I have friends I meet up with if we all get together to drive to a sports venue, like Hockey. I tend to arrive 10-15 minutes before our appointed meeting time only to discover they had the same Idea and are already there. I use my watch to time my trip and plan ahead as they do.

With regards to watch accuracy, I assume we all have cell phones. The cell phones are completely accurate and can also be set up to time things with a flip of a screen. If you are a diver, involved in military operations or things that require precision, there is a definite need for a certified chronograph time piece / watch.

For others, watches are little more than jewelry. I think we all have watches that we only use for good or social occasions.There's nothing wrong with that either. I guess the point I'm making is that the accuracy of wrist watches in the face of modern contrivances like cell phones, may not be as important as it once was, for the average person.

Jimbuna

03-13-19, 08:23 AM

^ I'd tend to agree. My wife purchased a Seiko Analog Casual Watch 5 SPORTS SNZG15K1 as part of my 60th birthday present back in July 2017 (just under £100 iirc). This watch was an automatic and as such was soon found out to be gaining between 11 and fifteen seconds a day, accuracy is an important function/requirement for me and I soon tired of adjusting the watch every couple of weels.
https://i.imgur.com/5OfrtUe.jpg

Along came christmas (not long past) and I decided I'd like something a little more accurate so she purchased me a Seiko 7T92 (just under £200) and boy what a difference timekeeping accuracy has become, the quartz movement has meant that in the three months I've had the watch I've yet to adjust the time.
https://i.imgur.com/hjyKU62.jpg

For the first time in a long time I have total faith in my wristwatch and that despite the fact I could always have relied on my iPhone.

Commander Wallace

03-13-19, 08:54 AM

^ I had mentioned earlier in the thread that the watch you have is incredibly accurate. People marvel at the accuracy of the Seiko 7T92 watch you have and that other watches in addition to the Seiko 7T92 may well utilize the same movement. I have read a number of positive reviews and some have said the watch is sure to double in price. Although £200 is far from cheap, it is relatively inexpensive as compared to the incredible value that it represents. It really is all the watch most people will ever need. I also believe that it's incredibly hard to beat the time keeping accuracy of a quartz. I have a number of automatics from various manufacturers and although they are alright, they can't beat a quartz.

Although as I said the phones are accurate with regards to time, it's far easier to move your wrist so your sport coat rides up just enough to view your watch for the time. It doesn't get any easier than that.

The Seiko watch you have is a handsome watch as well that anyone would be proud to wear. I think your endorsement of this time piece may well influence people to look into the incredible value of this watch. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Commander Wallace

03-13-19, 10:37 AM

^ Indeed. Where can I find a wife like that ? :hmmm::haha: Actually, I am looking for a nice watch for my lady for her upcoming birthday. I got her a few but looking for something else now. I looked at Citizen but will now look at Seiko to see if they have a dressy, ladies watch, with the same movement.

Jimbuna

03-13-19, 11:24 AM

The Seiko watch you have is a handsome watch as well that anyone would be proud to wear. I think your endorsement of this time piece may well influence people to look into the incredible value of this watch. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Time I purchased shares in Seiko then :)

Mr Quatro

03-13-19, 11:38 AM

Time I purchased shares in Seiko then :)

Nay! The end of time as man knows it is almost here ... :o

Purchase a cheap Timex or even two and spend the saved dough on extra MRE kits for you and your family. You won't have to worry about what time it is when your hungry you will know it. :D

See the smilee :yep:

Platapus

03-13-19, 03:05 PM

I would like to point out that not everyone either wants to or is able to carry a cell phone.

I don't carry a cell phone. I have one in my car and it stays there.

Commander Wallace

03-14-19, 08:05 AM

^ Like you and many others, I'm old school and prefer a quality time piece on my wrist. Many people do however carry cell phones and use them for everything, including as time pieces. How many times have you gone to a restaurant and saw a family dining out, only to see them sitting there with their faces buried in their phones ? :k_confused:They tend to text each other while sitting together and next to each other. Figure that one out. :doh: I have seen other people walk out in the middle of traffic and almost be hit because their faces were buried in their phones.

I only use my cell phone sparingly and people know to call me only if it's important or an emergency. I think cell phones are one of the worst inventions ever created. The cell phones do keep excellent time though, provided they are charged.

Nay! The end of time as man knows it is almost here ... :o

Purchase a cheap Timex or even two and spend the saved dough on extra MRE kits for you and your family. You won't have to worry about what time it is when your hungry you will know it. :D

See the smilee :yep:

I never thought of that. :yep:

Aktungbby

03-23-19, 12:54 PM

Yeah, but this is a pretty cool thread, thanks for starting it. :Kaleun_Salute:

https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/323337288719_/George-J-von-Burg-Men-New-Swiss-Made.jpg MY FIELD WATCH ON DUTY AND WORLD TRAVEL COMPANION IS THE GEORGE J VON BURG 'TRIPLE DATE' WITH CHRONO, MOONPHASE DATEHAND AND 24-HOUR AND SMALL SECONDS HAND AT THE 9 O'CLOCK POSITION-11 FUNCTIONS ON A MECHANICAL WATCH ! ON A FABULOUS VALJOUX 7751 MOVEMENT.https://www.picclickimg.com/d/l400/pict/254027452263_/George-Burg-Bracelet-Moonphase-Triple-Date-Chronograph-Boxes.jpg ONLY FIFTY WERE EVER MADE. FRANKLY IT SAVES ME MONEY; I SEE OTHER WATCHES OF INTEREST THAT MAKE ME DROOL HOROLOGICALLY :Kaleun_Salivating: BUT THEN SENSIBLY CONCLUDE "I'M ALREADY WEARING IT":O: THE OTHER OF MY FAVORITES WAS GIFT FROM A LOCAL JEWELRY SHOP OWNER WHO LEFT THE KEYS IN HER SHOP'S FRONT DOOR ABSENTMINDEDLY. IT IS MY '60'S WAKMANN ON A VENUS 178 MOVEMENT. WHAT IS CHARMING ABOUT THIS ONE IS THE THREE SUBHAND-DIALS ARE ALL DIFFERENT!:up: THEY DON'T DO THAT LITTLE STUFF ANYMORE. https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/LFcAAOSwImRYNe8o/s-l225.jpg < THIS PUPPY WITH THE PRECURSOR TO THE VALJOUX MOVEMENT : SITS BY THE COMPUTER AND GET WOUND MANUALLY ....EVERY DAY!

Variance, on the other hand is an internal measurement. It is a measurement of how repeatable is the precision of the watch movement. Mechanical watches are often measured in Beats per Hour. An hour was chosen many years ago as a good period of representation. A specific watch's balance wheel may operate at 28,800 BPH. This is actually a common BPH. This translates down to 8 beats per second or 4 hertz.

No watch beats at exactly 28,800 beats per hour every hour. But they get close. Sometimes it beats at less than 28.8k and sometimes it beats more than 28.8k and sometimes it beats exactly 28.8k. This being a mechanical watch full of mechanical stuff, position, movement, and gravity are only three of about a million things that can affect the precision of a watch movement.

The range of these values is called variance. This has nothing directly to do with accuracy. This is just how predictable does the watch movement .. well.. move. :D
Unfortunately, with anything mechanical, the phrase "assuming no other factors" is a fantasy as there are always external factors. But watch engineers work very hard to mitigate these factors. But let's continue in our fantasy world of no external factors to keep the numbers easy. That's the great thing about math -- you can create fantasy worlds where numbers work easy. Engineers have to deal with reality. :03:
Then there is the item I neglected to write about in my previous post. :oops:

Loss/gain. A loss/gain is a cumulative change in the accuracy of a watch over a period of observation. It is in one direction. A watch either gains or loses time. If a watch both loses and gains time, that is variance. The cumulative change in the accuracy is affected by the variance of the watch. The variance is not affected by the loss/gain.
Here is an example I had with my watch.

My watch is a COSC certified chronometer that has a design variance of -4/+6 seconds per day. That's 10 seconds not centered at zero! Note that it is a design variance. Whether my watch actually has a variance of -4/+6 will have to be determined.
If you are going to be wrong, at least be precisely wrong. :up:
Of course, in the real world, your watch is affected by all of these at the same time. Actually all clocks are affected by this.
My rant about the misuse of the term UTC will have to wait for another bombastic post. https://medium.com/@morningtundra/the-not-cheap-and-not-nasty-valjoux-7750-b3cb559a0e8f (https://medium.com/@morningtundra/the-not-cheap-and-not-nasty-valjoux-7750-b3cb559a0e8f) ALL MECHANICAL WATCHES HAVE VARIANCE AND TIME LOSS. THE SECRET IS IN THE MOVEMENT... THE HEART OF THE ART OF HOROLOGY; THE COSC DESIGNATION IS A PRICEY(5K) CERTIFICATION FOR SWISS WATCHES ONLY Venus was acquired by Valjoux (https://www.watch-wiki.net/index.php?title=Valjoux) in 1966 which in turn was acquired by ETA (https://www.watch-wiki.net/index.php?title=ETA) in the 1980’s to become the exclusive supplier to its parent company, the Swatch Group. It didn’t take long for the ETA 7750 to become the most common Swiss automatic chronograph movement. In its highly finished form, its accuracy and robustness allowed it to achieve COSC Chronometer certification (http://www.cosc.swiss/en/certification/chronometer) WITHOUT THE ADDED COST??! meeting the standards required for adoption by manufacturers like IWC, Tudor, Panerai, Hublot, Breitling, TAG Heuer, Buren, Zenith and others.
ETA produced the 7750 in three grades, Elaboré, Top and Chronomètre. BOTTOM LINE: GET THE VALJOUX MOVEMENT AND SAVE THE COSC EXPENSE. MY CASE IN POINT: THE MOON LANDING ASTRONAUTShttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a7/AS11-36-5390HR.jpg/800px-AS11-36-5390HR.jpg<BUZZ ALDRIN WEARING A NON COSC OMEGA SPEED MASTER WORE OMEGA SPEEDMATERS WITH NO COSC DESIGNATION; I MEAN REALLY!!! THE MOON LANDING: TIMING IS EVERYTHING BBY! IN THIS CASE THE OMEGA 321 MOVEMENT https://www.swatchgroup.com/sites/default/files/styles/content_gallery/public/content-galleries/660-440-omega-calibre-321-original.jpg?itok=c9pRAw89 WHICH HAS BEEN RECENTLY REINTRODUCED...IE THE MOVEMENT, EVEN AN OLD TRADITIONAL MOVEMENT, IS EVERYTHING; THE COSC DESIGNATION IS, IMHO, A PRICEY EXTRAVANGANCE... https://quillandpad.com/2018/07/17/exceptional-movements-in-history-omega-caliber-321/ (https://quillandpad.com/2018/07/17/exceptional-movements-in-history-omega-caliber-321/)

Platapus

03-23-19, 01:43 PM

Just some observations

1. There was no COSC certification during our moon missions. The last Apollo moon mission was in 1972 and COSC did not come into existence until 1973. NASA did not choose a COSC certified watch for the Gemini/Apollo missions because there was no such certification at that time. The closest that was available was the "BO" certification (Bureaux officiels de contrôle de la marche des montres)

2. For a mission to the moon, a watch only needs to be accurate for a relatively short period of time. The longest moon mission was about 10 days. One does not need chronometer quality watch if the timing mission is 10 days long.

3. One also does not need a chronometer quality watch when one has a large ground support staff beaming up time signals at least every one of those 10 days. Part of the daily checklists was a synchronizing of all the timers on the space craft, including the watches.

4. The astronauts needed a way to make short relative timing actions or to act as a back up in case communication was lost. If you read the transcripts of the conversations, here was not a lot of mention of using the watches with the exception of Apollo 13 when the on-board timers were shut down.

5. The reason why the Speedmaster was chosen was less to do with any accuracy of the movement, but the resistance of that movement to temperature and pressure changes as well as shocks in G forces. The other chronographs tested, including the Rolex, broke at some time in the testing. The Speedmaster was not selected because it was the best watch accuracy wise, it was selected because it was the only watch that survived the testing! :03:

There are many valid reasons why one would choose not to pay for a COSC certified watch. The fact that none of the watches on the Apollo missions were certified chronometers is not one of them.

Platapus

03-23-19, 01:59 PM

At Baselworld, a constantly shrinking watch convention, Citizen reveled it's latest calibre 0100 watch.
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It has an accuracy of +/- 1 second per year. Yikes, that's some accomplishment.

Traditional quartz watches oscillate at 32,768 Hz. The Calibre 0100 oscillates at 8,388,608 Hz. That's a whole heapin helpin o' oscillations.

And it is solar powered

It's a bit.. uh.. understated in design. Not encumbered with a lot of "bells and whistles" that's for sure.

If you buy the cheap version it will only cost ya $7,400. :o:o:o:o

And no, it is not COSC certified. :O:

But don't worry. This watch is offered in three different models with a combined production of 800 watches, I am sure they have all been snarfed up by collectors by now.

Still some accomplishment.

Aktungbby

03-23-19, 06:44 PM

1. There was no COSC certification during our moon missions. I KNEW THAT BUT AS OMEGA IS #2 BEHIND ROLEX IN COSC DESIGNATIONS FOLLOWED BY BREITLING, AND TAG HEUER; HENCE MY USE OF THAT IN THE 'ULTIMATE' MOON LANDING EXAMPLE: Over a million official chronometer certificates are delivered each year, representing only 3% of the Swiss watch production. To earn chronometer certification, a movement must not only be made from the highest quality components, but also be the object of special care on part of the finest watchmakers and timers during assembly.
There is a debate among watch enthusiasts as to whether the COSC chronometer certification for a Swiss watch is a meaningful test or a simple marketing gimmick. On the one hand, when a watch maker intends to submit a movement for COSC testing, they frequently employ additional jewelling (i.e. to the barrel) and better quality[ (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COSC#cite_note-22) "Ébauche (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%89bauche)" parts (i.e. higher quality hairsprings, mainsprings, balance wheels; regulators, etc.) all aimed at the coveted chronometer certification. On the other hand, it is likely that most good quality movements on the market today are capable of being tweaked, and timed to fall comfortably within the benchmark -4/+6 average daily rate criteria of the COSC. However, movements so submitted to COSC are more likely to be submitted with better quality parts in order to be confident of a successful test, and as a consequence may be more likely to maintain better timekeeping rates over the service life of the time piece. I'M MORE OF THE GIMMICK SCHOOL OF THOUGHT; AND, AS IT'S THE QUALITY WATCH PARTS THAT MAKE THE DIFFERENCE, I SIMPLY PREFER TO SPEND THE SHEKEL ON THE WATCH COMPONENTS AND NOT THE PAPER CERTIFICATE WHICH ONLY 3% OF ALL SWISS WATCHES BOTHER WITH. :Kaleun_Salute: I STILL WEAR A CITZEN CALIBRE 3100 PERPETUAL SOLAR POWERED WATCH https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/pXYAAOSwqctciquG/s-l1600.jpgAND MY OTHER EVERYDAY FIELD WATCH THE CALIBRE E81 SOLAR POWERED PERPETUAL CALENDAR WITH ALARM, CHRONOGRAPH, DATE, SECOND TIME ZONE AND ROTATING BEZEL https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/81OQqLbFtAL._AC_UL320_.jpg ON A 'PERPETUAL CALENDAR' WATCH ONE SIMPLY SETS THE LEAP-YEAR (1-4) OF THE CYCLE AND THE DATE FOR EVERY MONTH(30-31) AUTOMATICALLY ADJUSTS ITSELF:yeah: A 'REAL' MECHANICAL PERPETUAL CALENDAR DREAM WATCH WOULD BE THE IWC DA VINCI-I GET ONE AND MY COLLECTING DAYS ARE DONE BBY!- AT $40k NEW...OR THE OLDER SLIGHTLY USED VERSION: http://capetownstore.com/images/CDC/CDC051507/CDC051507b.jpg <ONLY 10k; SINCE ALL MECHANICAL WATCHES REQUIRE A WATCHMAKER'S OCCASIONAL ATTN; THERE IS NO HARM IN OWNING A WELL-MAINTAINED 'PREOWNED' PIECE AND THE IWC DA VINCI'S ''SING TO MY WRIST''...AND THE MOON PHASE FUNCTION, AS WITH MY JGVB WATCH, IS COOL TOO!:yeah: REQUIRED EQUIPMENT FOR A MOONPHASE WATCH: http://www.watchnetwork.com/moonphase/ (http://www.watchnetwork.com/moonphase/) AS MOONDIALS NEED PERIODIC ADJUSTMENT TOO.:o

Platapus

05-10-19, 07:44 PM

I finally stuck a crowbar in my wallet and ordered one. The 7007 model.

https://image.rakuten.co.jp/asr/cabinet/watch65/tr-mb7007x_1.jpg

It arrived yesterday at 1800. Eleven hours later, by 0500, with 6 hours sleep, I have already decided to return it for a refund.

The watch is very well made and clearly represents quality. But it's not for me.

First of all, while it is not excessive large in diameter, it is amazingly thick. About 2.25 times as thick as my Omega Seamaster, which is not exactly a thin watch in itself. This watch is thick enough to be difficult to wear under a dress shirt. I knew it was a thick watch, but I did not appreciate how thick it is.

However, this was the first Titanium watch I have ever had. OMG how light. Can't feel it on your wrist at all. It is some what unnerving, looking down at what appears to be a cubic foot of metal on your wrist but not feeling any weight.

Second, it is a complicated watch. It has a lot of functions, which is what attracted me to it in the first place. More functions, more information on the dial. It is a busy dial. This watch has 8 hands. 8! That's pretty impressive... for the first 5 minutes. Then it starts to sink in that this means there are 8 points of failure and 8 hands to keep track of. These 8 hands live on three dials not including the main face. The main face has three hands, two of the smaller dials have two hands and one dial has one hand. That's a lotta hands on those small dials.

Added to this are the dials themselves. The dials have numbers and indexes and they are not the same!. Depending on the function, sometimes you look at the numbers and sometimes you look at the indexes. On one dial you have to keep track of the multiplier depending on the function. The "1" may mean one, ten, or a hundred depending on the function. I have to admit that Epson.Seiko did a great job with these dials, but no matter what, this is a complicated watch face to use.

There is probably a very good reason why watches with this many functions are better in digital than analog.

Third, the functions, to be honest, have limited functionality in my life. I knew that the Altitude and Barometer would be practically useless for me. Strange as it may seem, I can go months without knowing the HectoPascals of air on top of me.

Now a compass on a watch is cool. A compass on an analog watch is mega cool. The waypoint feature where you can set a base and then later the watch can tell you the direction and distance back to the base is awesome and even awesomer on an analog watch.:up:

However, the Trume costs about $1,200 more than other high end GPS synced watches that don't have a compass. Is the addition of the cool and awesome compass and waypoint system worth $1,200? No. it is really not. You can buy small GPS units that clip to your belt what will guide you back to your base and has several waypoints. These cost about $60.00. Any time I go hiking or out somewhere strange, I can carry one of these. I don't need one on my watch all the time. I somehow manage to survive my 17 mile daily commute in a car with only two GPS nav units. I am a survivor.

Forth, the watch is ugly. I am talking Casio ugly. Now, I have written before that I think that Casio watches offer the best value when it comes to functionality, price, durability. They really can't be beat. For me, the killer is the looks. I find the Casio GPS watches fugly. The Trume is up there with the Casio. It is probably a little better looking, but still in the ugly class. Many people like how the Casios look and that's great.

Fifth, I am honestly too old for this watch. This watch would look good on a 20 something or 20 something wanna be. It is rugged, unique, and filled with cool useless functions. However a 60 year old man wearing this watch, in a suit, going into a board meeting will look ridiculous.

I wish I could have seen this watch in a store in the US. This is one of the disadvantages of buying a JDM watch. You are purchasing a swine in a shed. Fortunately I purchased it though Shoppinginjapan.net which is a legitimate company with a reasonable return process. This watch will spend about twice as long in transit as I wore it.

It was an interesting experience. I had fun wearing this watch for the first hour. It is beautifully made. It is a good watch! Just not good for me.

So back to the horological dreaming board. I am thinking of the Seiko Astron 8X82. It's about half the price of the Trume and looks, to me, to be a much more respectable attractive watch.

How will I manage to survive without having a compass on my watch. I think I will do nicely actually.

Just a final word.

DO NOT GET INTO WATCHES!

Buddahaid

05-10-19, 09:41 PM

DO NOT GET INTO WATCHES!

Don't worry about me. I hate things hanging on my arms unless they are feminine.

Aktungbby

05-10-19, 09:49 PM

/\ it just didn't 'sing to your wrist'!!?? Which is rule one of watch preferences:shucks:

Aktungbby

05-16-19, 07:11 PM

^ SPEAKING OF WHICH...HERE'S ONE THAT HAS TO SING TO YOUR WRIST IN THIS :subsim: FORUM AT LEAST!:Kaleun_Los: FROM MY ECLECTIC HOROLOGICAL COLLECTION: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?pictureid=10346&albumid=815&dl=1558051691&thumb=1 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/album.php?albumid=815&pictureid=10346) <CLICK TO ENLARGE:Kaleun_Wink:HERE'S MORE: https://www.chrono24.com/uboat/index.htm (https://www.chrono24.com/uboat/index.htm)

Skybird

04-09-22, 06:44 AM

edit: FROM HERE ON: 2 THREADS MERGED.

We had food threads. We had PC hardware threads. We had a smartphone thread. We had a Swiss army knife thread. We had no shoe thread (no girls around here. eh?). Even a pocket torchlight thread. But have we had a wristwatch thread so far...? :06: (edit: yes, we had: 2019, and 2011 :O:)

:hmmm:

Time to have one! :up: If for no other reason than that it is not about politics, not about political correctness, not about religion, not about Trump, not about war, and all the other fun stuff we have so often.

Show off what you have hanging on your handwrists to read the time!

Myself, over the past few years, four or five years, I have become not really a collector, but an admirer of watches that I like by their looks. I do not spend much money on them, say four digit range of prices, nor do I see them as an "investment" for myself. If a watch is so precious that it is an investement, you hardly wear it in ordinary life and daily routine together with blue jeans and an old T-shirt: too dangerous to do so. But over the last years I found that I bought a couple of watches, just because I liked them so very much by their looks. They are not especially valuable, it really is just the looks, and when I rate such a watchas affordable for me, I may buy it, although I have several ones. Its the only kind of decoration I wear, I do not care for my glasses since I do not see them, and have no finger- or ear rings and no necklaces, why would I. But the watch I look at often, and soo see it. Certainly I ike no tatoos - these turn me off even on the most beautiful woman!

This is my "collection".

At elementary school, I got a simple diving watch with a black rubber strap and glowing indices, which was extremely cool, seen with the eyes of a 7 or 8 year old and too much imagination on his mind! But that one is gone and lost since long.

The first watch in my collecton is from my later school days, means: it is really old now, but still lives, enlightens the display, beeps, riungs a melody, I used it until early university. I do not wear it anymore, since there is plenty of wear and tear on it. I bought it for 90 D-Marks at Quelle in Westberlin. At school in the early 80s, having an LCD watch was the thing to go for if you wantad to be able to talk with the others in your peer group. It was an essential item amongst the boys! And how proud I was when carrying home my precious trophy in the U-Bahn on my way home from Wilmersdorfer Einkaufsstrasse to Friedenau where we lived! Stolz wie Oskar! :D Maybe never again I felt so much joy over having bought a watch, I must admit. It gives me a strange sense of comfort to see that it still lives, although two of the buttons do not work anymore, are too corroded. Around fourty years now!

https://i.postimg.cc/DwW40NPZ/20211116-154132.jpg (https://postimg.cc/G4CmSqNw)

Early at university I switched to a new watch which I liked for its combination of colours: mild gold, titan (which is dark grey with a mild tone of gold, quite warm a colour tone), and midnight-blue sunburst, and a dark leather strap (which meanwhile got replaced twice). One could say this combination is a is a favourite of mine: midnight blue and gold. It costed 130 DM, which was much for me at that time (poor student...). The strap that is mounted now is not ideal, I got it to replace a worn out old one, but I do not wear this watch anymore (although it still is functional), and I got this strap at a price that made it a steal. Its too shiny, for my taste, and possible it even is a strap for a lady's watch, I am not certain, but do not care anyway: as I said, I do not wear this one anymore. I used this for most of my university time, say: the nineties, except on my oversea travels, where I always only used 10 dollar clocks that would have been no loss if getting lost or stolen.

https://i.postimg.cc/cJCWdqR9/20211116-153722.jpg (https://postimg.cc/68kghm1n)

The following Citizen one I wore for almost 20 years. The strap is made of titan, as is the case. Although sapphire glass, I managed to scratch it already in the first week, and the scratch and me became close friends and later an old married couple. :) Its an ordinary quartz watch and the battery, if a good ones can last up to almost 6 years if the stopwatch hand is not running all the time. Its in very good shape, no corrosion from sweat on the golden applications, I wear it in turns with the other watches. I attached a protection to the glass meanwhile, like you do with smarthphones as well. I love this watch, still. It costed around 290 DM.

https://i.postimg.cc/bvV6krGP/20211106-143527.jpg (https://postimg.cc/kV8FdnFY)

https://i.postimg.cc/NFkm8CNX/20211106-143755.jpg (https://postimg.cc/4HnYsPR4)

https://i.postimg.cc/bNMNCHKS/20211104-182614.jpg (https://postimg.cc/BXT0tDZJ)

The last picture shows the switch to my newer watches of the past few years.

I then got a Seiko, and its an Automatic. These mechanical watches do not run as precise as quartz watches, it depends on how much movemnt you make with your arm and hand, and how much tension is on the spring, therefore, the deviation can be anything from 2 seconds to 20 seconds - per day. For Automatics, that is a normal thing, and "clock people" know that. The reserve is around 36 hours. The days index is in two languages, French and English in this case. This watch is maybe my most favourite one now, by looks. Its also the smallest, which is fitting me well since my handwrists are rather small. It came with a cheap metal strap which I immediately replaced against the leather strip, which gave it an even more noble look. This watch is seen by many as a great imposter, because by looks it almost copies much more expensive watches, namely by Rolex. The details in the finishing are outstanding for a watch of this (cheap) price class: the price in recent years varied widely between 80 and 180 Euros. Its water resistent up to I think 20m, or 50m. On the backside, there is glass, you can see the mechanical parts moving.

I consider this watch to be an absolutely outstanding bang for the buck offer, as far as looks and costs go. The night light colour is Seiko's famous secret recipe, and it shines all night through and extremely bright while needing no activation/exposure to extensive light to chrage it up.

If I could keep just one watch, this probabaly would be it.

https://i.postimg.cc/NF2TSff1/20211209-105903.jpg (https://postimg.cc/y3BkSKRd)

https://i.postimg.cc/XJpQNWYv/20211106-144044.jpg (https://postimg.cc/S2bWVw80)
https://i.postimg.cc/HnFR52Lb/20211104-183349.jpg (https://postimg.cc/bSHmf1kv)
https://i.postimg.cc/bvF9B59f/20211106-144227.jpg (https://postimg.cc/94Z94JkL)

mapuc

04-09-22, 06:58 AM

On my wrist I have a Casio

This one

https://www.ditur.dk/casio-classic-ae-1200wh-1avef?gclid=CjwKCAjw3cSSBhBGEiwAVII0Zw55REiSyS7CCz d_44GBWzuWK4Ytq--P5B5L7vbZ50iP4FEPIjVf6BoC1KkQAvD_BwE

On my wall in my living room I have a wall clock from Subsim

https://www.cafepress.com/subsim.331846742

Markus

Skybird

04-09-22, 07:03 AM

The next is a return to my apparent favourite brand, Citizen.

https://i.postimg.cc/xThY9jjX/20211106-142740.jpg (https://postimg.cc/PPW04jwH)

Its a big and robust thing with a "monocockpit", and when I saw the green shining in the seller's window, I immediately was in love with it. It took me another couple of weeks to decide for the buy since I already had gotten the Seiko before. But then i ordered it, from London: its an original, no doubt, but at that time I paid only 200 Euros instead of the asking price of 380 Euros in Germany (meanhwhile a shop in Hamburg offers it for 200 as well). :yeah: Its not titan, but brushed steel, the finish makes it very resisent to scratches. Its very robust, and water proof up to 200m. Also, it is an "Eco-Drive", means it is solar powered, with a dark reserve of over half a year. Citizen says the batteries they use will last longer than the rest of the clock. :) 2 minutes of daily light exposition gives it all energy it needs to run 24 hours. It came with a terribly stiff strap made of black rubber covered with olive-green nylon, which looked not bad, but was way too stiff. I replaced that with an olive NATO strap, which matched the design of the watch perfectly, but was making the already big clock looking even bigger on my thin wrists, and so I changed again for an ordinary olive nylon strap, which looks a little bit less clunky. The watch is the upper limit in size I can wear on my wrist (no way I could deal with a G-Shock...). But I love the looks of it. Its sapphire glass. And green is an uncommon colour for wrist watches. At night, the indices glow outstandingly bright and long, like the colour used by Seiko and Rolex. The big hand is indeed light blue, not green. The seconds hand also is marked.

https://i.postimg.cc/Sxzwfw03/20211106-142649.jpg (https://postimg.cc/SnkTy1xf)

Which brings me to my latest member of the family, and I bought it to have one watch with not a darker but a bright clock face. Its also the cheapest watch I have bought, with a price of around I think 100 or 110 Euros.

https://i.postimg.cc/rsFkhKVp/20211211-132855.jpg (https://postimg.cc/CBtX5Mfy)

Its a solar watch again, but no further hardenign of the case, it resists spilled-over water, but I would not go swimming with it. It also has no night markings. The glass is ordinary glass, too, and unfortunately it has a mild arching, so that I cannot protect it with some armour shield like the other watches (the cover would not stick to it). For a watch of this brand, the price reflects the reduced feature list. As always, it was completely about the looks exclusively when I decided to buy it, the cheap price made it an even easier decision.

The metal strap however was awful, light, hollow, and looked really cheap. I replaced it with a leather strap and that made it all shine out for real: elegance par excellence at least for my taste. A dress watch.

https://i.postimg.cc/vH4WjhSW/20211213-155714.jpg (https://postimg.cc/D8KJ4rhZ)

Thats it from my collection. Currently, my appetite for new watches jhas stopped. Those I have, I all wear them in daily turns. Seen that way I do not have too many watches. Only too few days. :D

Reece

04-09-22, 07:16 AM

mapuc

04-09-22, 07:16 AM

Been thinking. Maybe I should get my hand on a fully analogical wristwatch clock. As a backup in case if....

Markus

Skybird

04-09-22, 07:30 AM

Wait - have I been fooled by memory? I am not sure anymore whether I just had planned in the past to do such a thread - or already have...? :06:
:subsim:

:haha:

Skybird

04-09-22, 07:35 AM

Nice Skybird, especially the Citizen. :yep:
I have a nice selection but don't know how to get the pics posted. Mine include:
Junkers TANTE JU 52
Junkers 6270/0834 (Automatic)
Tissot PRC 200 T461
Vandenbroeck & Cie
Taucmeister 1937 T0145

All German except the Tissot.
Which Citizen? There are three of them! ;) :D

Its an underrated brand, imo, and many look down on it because they offer their quality at prices with which European watch makers cannot compete (same is true for Seiko). The quality is very, very good, and they run extremely precise. All my Citizens "win" over 2 months 1.5 - 2 seconds only. That is very, very good, imo. The narration is Citizen was founded and given it its name, Citizen, to make watches of European watchmakers' quality but at a price that every Japanese citizen could afford them. They are now the biggest watchmaker in the world. And Seiko aimed at especially shooting down Swiss watchmakers - and they did. :D

You're an instrument guy, eh? Those watches you posted all have a more technical cockpit-style look in common, with more complex clock faces.
For me, it was quite the opposite way, away from "complex" faces with several readouts to more simple ones.

To post pictures:
https://postimages.org/
or:
https://bilderupload.org/

Then post the link "for forums" into the post, thats it.

mapuc

04-09-22, 07:40 AM

You're right Skybird we have discussed wristwatch earlier here at subsim however it was Platapus who created this thread

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=240191

Markus

Skybird

04-09-22, 07:53 AM

You're right Skybird we have discussed wristwatch earlier here at subsim however it was Platapus who created this thread

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=240191

Markus
Ah, that one I have completely missed...? Whats wrong with me...

I seem to recall another one, from last year... I have a faint memory that I pointed at some videos about how an automatic clockwork works. But maybe I just planned to do it, and then forgot to carry the idea out.

The Bindenization of Skybird. :D

Skybird

04-09-22, 07:55 AM

Been thinking. Maybe I should get my hand on a fully analogical wristwatch clock. As a backup in case if....

Markus
That was a reasoning of mine regarding the Seiko Automatic. One watch without any electronics in it.

Skybird

04-09-22, 08:12 AM

Thats some very complex - and expensive - watches in that thread you linked me to, Markus! And very huge watches. But some nice ones.

mapuc

04-09-22, 08:19 AM

I went through the entire posts in that thread and I was very surprised that you hadn't posted anything...I was so sure you had. that's why I made a search for it. ´cause I knew we had discussed wristwatch before.

Markus

Reece

04-09-22, 08:32 AM

Which Citizen? There are three of them! ;) :D

Cheeky sod!! :O: (Last edited by Skybird; 04-09-2022 at 09:28 PM.)

Thanks for the hosting links, I will have to investigate!! :yep:

Skybird

04-09-22, 08:58 AM

I went through the entire posts in that thread and I was very surprised that you hadn't posted anything...
As I said, I missed that thread completely, it just did not pop up on my radar. Maybe the title, "Batman etc.", was what kept me desinterested and misunderstanding it in the first pass.
But me too now thinks there was another thread, and not even that long ago.

Lost in the Subsim Triangle... :D

Skybird

04-09-22, 09:09 AM

I searched again - and found a watch thread by Jim, from 2011...:o

les green01

04-09-22, 09:51 AM

i just got a standard wrist watch nothing fancy put got a pretty good collection of pocket watches

ET2SN

04-09-22, 10:25 AM

https://citizenwatch.widen.net/content/gzoliud0hm/jpeg/Chandler.jpeg?u=41zuoe&width=1600&height=1600&quality=80&crop=false&keep=c&color=F9F8F6

I've had my WR100 for over ten years. :up:

As basic as an Eco Drive gets, never needs winding, keeps accurate time, doesn't feel like my wrist is handcuffed to a safe deposit box. :yep:

I swapped out the stock band for an elastic / velcro cloth band I found at WalMart. Well beyond "low maintenance", more like "no maintenance". All I do is keep it under a table lamp when I don't wear it.

Platapus

04-09-22, 10:46 AM

This is my every day wear watch

Citizen F900 JDM

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/-jYAAOSw1GlabdzQ/s-l400.jpg

Unfortunately it was JDM so it cost more. I also brought the export version but did not like the hands. I still have it and might sell it.

I did briefly have the Trume watch in my other thread, but I returned it. I am kinda regretting that decision as it is still a nice watch and I took quite the bath in return fees. :wah:

I still have my Omega Seamaster 2254

https://hodinkee-shopify.imgix.net/s/files/1/0146/0732/products/OMEGA-Seamaster-300M-2254-50-00-10-10-OME-YP897D-f4033df87cbb_25ae59b4-ac32-45c0-b500-43e4b3647516_2048x2048.jpg?auto=format&dpr=1&fit=max&fm=jpg&ixjsv=2.2.4&usm=12&v=1649102111&ixlib=react-9.3.0&q=88&w=530

Which I still think is the best looking seamaster they made. If Omega made 2254 body with the new coax drive, that would be

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/mobile/000/005/574/takemymoney.jpg

Jimbuna

04-09-22, 01:10 PM

Threads merged.

Skybird

04-09-22, 01:10 PM

I like the classical look of the Seamaster. If I were after a diving watch, something looking like this, not overdone like some others out there, would be on my watch list.

But I would not spend more than lets say 500 coins for a watch. Any watch. After all, to me its still just a watch, not an investement. But i can understand that other people spend more. Its hobby, taste, fun. Why not. I have seven different LED flashlights, really needing I do none of them. LOL

Sometimes when I watch the online catalogue, it amuses me that here I see a watch for lets say 5000 coins and like the looks of it, and then I see another watch which I also like by the looks, and it costs 70 coins.

I observed that - by looks - I seem to tend to favour Asian products, even Chinese ones at time ("Orient") - over European brands. The Europeans often are so ultra-modern in style and design, so linear and sober and cold that already looking at them have your eyes running the risk of getting sliced into equal quarters. The only exception are sometimes so-called "aviation" watches that in some way tend to remind of old classical cockpit instruments, like Reece's Junkers watches. But usually, when I ike the looks of a watch and look at the brand, its a Citizen most often, followed by "Seikos". I think its definitely true that different brands follow different and quite individual design philosophies. I also think the European watches, namely the luxury segment, are overpriced, compared to the Japanese ones. That is no surprise, since the Japanese were especially after beating the Europeans over the price, while offering same or even better quality. Three of my watches in use are Citizens, one is a Seiko. I could think of one or two other certain Seiko models to get, but currently feel no urgent craving. :D

ET2SN

04-09-22, 02:14 PM

BTW, I'm not a watch snob. :salute:

There were a couple of things I learned in the Navy that led me to my Citizen.

1). Submarines are the best environment ever created to trash a watch crystal. :doh: The smaller the crystal, the better the chance of having it survive. I've seen my share of diver's watches get trashed during after watch clean ups and field days. :03:

2). "You don't need all of that". Its true. You can invest some large coin in wrist metal that features everything from leap years, to the astrology signs, to lucky lotto numbers, and it gets to the point where the hands of the watch get in the way of all the other hoo hah that's going on. :doh:

3). "Tested to 500 meters". Ah, look. If you're at 500 meters depth and you're not wearing a space suit, you already have bigger problems than having your watch get wet. :up:

4). If you have to wear a Rolex on the street, make sure your head has been Baseball Bat Proofed. :up: A flashy watch is one of the easiest things to steal. All they have to do is bap you one on your head. Think about it, you can tell time accurate to one second per month. Do you really need to share that with the rest of the world? :O:

Commander Wallace

04-09-22, 03:28 PM

The Citizen F900 and Seamaster are both excellent watches. Jimbuna had mentioned a Seiko years ago that he wears that remains a great watch. Certainly, there are other great watches as well. Invicta is known for making some truly ugly and garish watches. They also make truly incredible watches as well. Invicta's service and quality control are another matter.

Someone purchased for me what can be described as a Submariner homage watch made by Invicta. It's on the higher end. It came with a 316 surgical stainless steel case in 40mm, high end oyster stainless steel band with solid end links. It also has a true sapphire crystal and the movement / engine is a Swiss Sellita SW 200-1 automatic movement. The watch is / was Swiss made.

Sellita made the Swiss Eta 2824 movements and when the patents expired, began to manufacture their own movements based on the Eta 2824 and other Eta movements.

The movement keeps exceptional time although I don't wear it except for functions where I have to dress up. I have been asked if my watch is a Rolex and I always answer, " No, it's way better." :D I reply It didn't cost near what a Rolex costs.

For the most part, I wear a Pulsar 40mm black case diver watch in Quartz. It was I think like $ 120.00 dollars when I purchased it. In most cases, you can get a fairly cheap Quartz and it will always keep better time than the most expensive automatic watch.

By the way, I have more expensive watches and I don't see where they keep time any better than a cheaper watch. Other than being a status symbol, they are useless. I say wear what you like and who cares what watch snobs think. :yep:

Skybird

04-09-22, 03:58 PM

I wonder why people always think and say that clocks measure time. They don't, they have no sensor and thus measure nothing. They are an automatism that runs down its inherent energy, may it be battery or spring, like a metronome. Does a metronome measure music?

But then, probbaly our complete understanding of time may be off a bit anyway. :D

What I like in watches, in knifes, swords, Swiss army knifes and multi-tools, is the craftsmanship displayed by the item, the precision, the knowledge, sometimes the passion, always the looks and the beauty in it. Fascinating stuff.

Aktungbby

04-09-22, 06:07 PM

edit: FROM HERE ON: 2 THREADS MERGED.@ Skybird: Thanks for reading my thought waves :hmmm: :O: and uniting Platapus's 2019 thread with your continuation therof:yeah:...I couldn't seem to find it after searching for it half the morning. Nice Skybird, especially the Citizen.
I have a nice selection but don't know how to get the pics posted. Mine include:
Junkers TANTE JU 52 https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/B3wAAOSwaYle8SrS/s-l500.jpg
Junkers 6270/0834 (Automatic) https://cdn.watchcharts.com/listings/8d8b4bad-f420-4a64-898b-7965b37ef747?d=300x300
Tissot PRC 200 T461 https://i.pinimg.com/564x/87/c3/57/87c3579c7d84d4c1c68bd2faf9ea19d8.jpg
Vandenbroeck & Cie
Taucmeister 1937 T0145 https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/611tjdSKtXL._AC_UL1000_.jpg

All German except the Tissot. ^ A little help ol' pard; as close as i can get it??!:yep: Here's one I like from the 50's in my collection: https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ2RuODvUaWwazrbehz8LiZ1ArV8SKg2 txLA0oI-fpHRMy3NciESUCQtUUJG-Lnc_aeCsc&usqp=CAU The Le Coultre Futurematic https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/LFcAAOSwImRYNe8o/s-l225.jpg< this one: my 1960 Wakmann just came back from the watchmaker after I inadvertently got water in its Venus 178 3-dial movement...:Kaleun_Crying: the wallet damge : $800.00 incl new spring and chrono part; plus routine cleaning!!??

mapuc

04-09-22, 06:21 PM

I found it within a few second-I somehow remembered the title and who had created the thread. There was only one thing I remembered wrong though.

Markus

Aktungbby

04-09-22, 10:57 PM

Hey Commander!:Kaleun_Salute: a Croton https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/miAAAOSw3zFho7e3/s-l500.jpg will suffice for your Rolex knock-off! A nice Japanese automatic movement; I got mine at Big 5 for $50 and the local Rolex dealer is even impressed! Plus you can hand it over to a highend bling-bandit on the mean streets without much ado!:O:

BTW, I'm not a watch snob. :salute:
4). If you have to wear a Rolex on the street, make sure your head has been Baseball Bat Proofed. :up: A flashy watch is one of the easiest things to steal. All they have to do is bap you one on your head. Think about it, you can tell time accurate to one second per month. Do you really need to share that with the rest of the world? :O: Precisely! ...no sense 'wrisking' a Rolex fortune on the 'Merican mean streets these daze. My Croton ^ (above) vs a real Rolex https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1889/5061/products/Rolex-Submariner-16613-10-10-ROL-QCZMP3-7db79708e758_eac47c98-c37a-4c82-aadf-2d68cd46c275_1000x.jpg?v=1649102157 <used: $13,500...ie: I'm up $13,450 on the day!! and lookin' just as good without a fractured skull:D!

Commander Wallace

04-10-22, 01:02 AM

Precisely! ...no sense 'wrisking' a Rolex fortune on the 'Merican mean streets these daze. My Croton ^ (above) vs a real Rolex https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1889/5061/products/Rolex-Submariner-16613-10-10-ROL-QCZMP3-7db79708e758_eac47c98-c37a-4c82-aadf-2d68cd46c275_1000x.jpg?v=1649102157 <used: $13,500...ie: I'm up $13,450 on the day!! and lookin' just good without a fractured skull:D!

I agree with you. The auto movement in an Invicta is a 24 jewel Seiko NH35A movement. It is identical to the Seiko 4R35 movement. It is a good quality movement. They are 21,600 BPH movements

https://calibercorner.com/seiko-caliber-4r35/

Seiko watches equipped with the 4R35 movement retail at about the $ 500 dollar amount so, the Invicta represents a good value. My Invicta on the other hand was made by the Swiss and has a higher end Sellita movement. The Sellita is a Swiss movement that duplicates the Eta movements. I believe it is 25 or 26 jewel movements. Mine has been regulated by a jeweler friend and is well within COSC standards and is a 28,800 BPH movement. The Invicta isn't really what I would call a " knock off " of a Rolex although styled very similar. Mine was bought for me as a gift and I wasn't going to say no to it.

https://millenarywatches.com/what-is-cosc/

Watches that use the Eta 2824 movement include

Tudor
Raymond Weil
IWC
Oris
Tag Heuer
Hublot
Sinn
Alpina

I also have Citizen, Bullova, Pulsar and Seiko Quartz watches and all of them keep better time than Swiss automatic movements including the higher end watches.

https://www.livwatches.com/blogs/everything-about-watches/automatic-watch-movements-ultimate-guide

https://almostontime.com/everything-about-sellita-movements/

https://calibercorner.com/seiko-caliber-4r35/

Skybird

04-10-22, 03:22 AM

Humorous video on my Seiko. Just that mine is black with midnight blue sunburst, the one in the video is black with grey sunburst. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvdWRYyb11E&feature=youtu.be

Skybird

04-10-22, 04:19 AM

100.000% price difference explained.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTBblMeFoOU

Rhodes

04-10-22, 04:32 AM

My Seamaster is one of this:
https://www.watches.co.uk/images/watermarked/e3/e3c7ac0062840ff29a9558e330657d711f3a2f342c677d3613 40ba936079f067.jpg?t=1537540686
But with a blue bracelet.

Platapus

04-10-22, 05:55 AM

Does anyone own a Zeppelin watch?

https://bensontrade.com/dynamic/pr/Zeppelin-7086-4(v2).jpgI think they look pretty nice and they are reasonably priced... for watches that is.

Platapus

04-10-22, 06:28 AM

If you ain't wearing one of these
https://watchbox-cdn.imgix.net/posted-product-images/637801838603176776_mbaf300190_4600789_81529-1.jpg?h=1540&w=1540&auto=compressYou ain't wearing a "real" watch :D

You can pick up a used one for only $229,950 from WatchBox.

Hey! Its got a Tourbillon..... a Tourbillon on a wristwatch. :nope:

mapuc

04-10-22, 06:47 AM

^That was an ugly wristwatch

Markus

Skybird

04-10-22, 07:40 AM

Damn, I shouldnt have started here, I got the all too familiar itching again...

https://www.rm-time.de/media/image/41/6e/fd/seiko-presage-herrenuhr-automatik-gruen-mit-braunem-lederband-srpe45j1-21220-0.jpg
Seiko Presage Mojito, could get it for 350 coins.

Pro: Lovely, stunning, beautiful watch face, like on a peacock's feather the light plays with the After-Eight/British Racing Green-coloured ornaments. Absolutely stunning, it ranges from light green in direct sunlight, over emerald to fir tree green and then dark grey and black.

Contra: the glass is extremely arched making the watch thicker than needed, and it is no sapphire glass, which in combination with the arching is unforgivable.
The strap, in best Seiko tradition, is garbage. Seiko and often Citizen straps are almost always garbage, thats where they save money.

Here from minute 03 on: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7CcHshUtPc

That gold and green in combination really catches me.

I think I go after it. And order a replacement strap right away. :D

Reece

04-10-22, 08:14 AM

^That was an ugly wristwatch

Markus
Not was, is!! :k_confused:

Skybird

04-10-22, 08:23 AM

After intense debate with my conscience which is responsible for my fiscal budget planning, discussions ended with me slamming both fists on the table and yelling "You shut up and I decide...!"

Order placed.

These two were close contenders, also very beautiful watches. I think no other company does so beautiful dials like Seiko.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55LuRD9gUaE

Do you say dial or face in English?

ET2SN

04-10-22, 10:45 AM

Do you say dial or face in English?

Yes, we do. :O:

I wonder if they're planning a "martini" with a silver/gray theme? :hmmm:

Skybird

04-10-22, 11:29 AM

Yes, we do. :O:

I wonder if they're planning a "martini" with a silver/gray theme? :hmmm:
Check Seiko's Series 5 and Presage series, plenty of steel/grey themes there.

Or you go after one of their Grand Seikos. The watch of the year 2021 award winner is a Gran Seiko in silver. The face/dial mimicks the surface of birchbark, another of the series mimicks a fresh snow cover. Both are utmost beautiful. If I would want to invest 50.000 coins on the fly, i would get all five clocks that belong to that series, one blue, one red, one green, and two silver/white ones. The 5 colour finishings which are always characteristically structured, mimick a lake's water surface, maple leafes, and I think bamboo trees, additonall to the snow and the birchbark theme. Look it up, the dials really are stunning, absolutely, the one being more beautifully finished than the other. In these regards, nobody plays in Seiko's class, me thinks. They perfected this aspect of watchmaking.

But then, Grand Seikos and Seikos are lightyears apart in pricing. :D Bring in your Ferrari, go home with three new watches. LOL

Jimbuna

04-10-22, 11:31 AM

Do you say dial or face in English?

Either is good.

Jimbuna

04-10-22, 11:38 AM

When you make reference to 'coins' do you mean Euros?

Aktungbby

04-10-22, 02:00 PM

If you ain't wearing one of these
You ain't wearing a "real" watch :D

You can pick up a used one for only $229,950 from WatchBox.

Hey! Its got a Tourbillon..... a Tourbillon on a wristwatch. :nope: The one I wear, 15 years on, a Stürling flying cage Tourbillon that I wind with the Wakmann religiously twice a day...carefully just to keep the piece's internal lubrication lubricating! : not cheap at $1000 plus a recent $800 repair to the power escape gear; my watchmaker is a happy man!:wah: Since I always wanted a Tourbillon W/O paying $50k-100+K :shucks: [img]https://www.gemnation.com/images/watches/Stuh/296A.3355X13.jpg I'll venture to say I'm the only person on earth blogging on :subsim: wearing a tourbillon as i post!!??:hmph::shucks:

Skybird

04-10-22, 02:26 PM

When you make reference to 'coins' do you mean Euros?
No, but to sacks of gold and silver, and jewelry with the blood of the former owners still dripping off them. :D

"Coins": could be dollars or euros, if the prices are slightly different and fluctuating anyway in different places, the technical differnces between Euro and dollar do not mean much. I could as well say Taler. Mäuse. Pinkepinke. Kohlen. :03: :O: I once bought a Citizen watch that costs normally 380 Euro over here (the big green one). I ordered it from a seller in London, new, and got it for 200. Another seller in Hamburg now also offers it for 200. All others still ask for 360-390.

ET2SN

04-10-22, 02:36 PM

BTW, and semi related.. :D

https://www.amazon.com/s?k=zulu+watch+strap&crid=2HVMIPMMTT2K4&sprefix=zulu+watch+st%2Caps%2C608&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_1_13

A good watch band can make a cheap watch look better. Likewise, a cheap (but durable) band can turn an expensive watch into a "Q Ship". :03:

You know its a good watch, your friends might know, but those thugs on the corner will probably assume its a cheap watch. :yep:

With bands, always aim for comfort first. :up: It really depends on your personal style (wearing a watch for a lunch date or slaving away on the factory floor for 12 hours). Eventually, you'll find that how you wear a certain watch will be different than other watch types and sizes.

When in doubt, consider a "NATO" or "ZULU" type of band. They tend to work well with most watch types and can give an expensive watch a military or "Euro Trash" flavor. :yeah: If your watch is starting to feel dated, just try throwing a new band at it.

:Kaleun_Cheers:

Platapus

04-10-22, 03:37 PM

^That was an ugly wristwatch

Markus

Not was, is!! :k_confused:
And forever will be.

Skybird

04-10-22, 03:43 PM

I have three of these in use, in dark and light brown, and black, which is more a dark anthrazite. Very satisfied, soft, comfortable to wear.
https://www.amazon.de/BISONSTRAP-Uhrenarmband-Vintage-Armband-Schwarz/dp/B08MZZ9TJZ/ref=sr_1_7?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3 %91&crid=24ESVO7MNPN3V&keywords=bisonstrap&qid=1649623227&sprefix=bisonstrap%2Caps%2C68&sr=8-7

And this.
https://www.amazon.de/Praetorian%C2%AE-DiverTec-Extrem-Nato-Armband/dp/B0046OYA3O/ref=sr_1_21?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C 3%91&crid=1BVD1BULE2MFN&keywords=nato+nylon+praetorian&qid=1649623393&sprefix=nato+nylon+praetorian%2Caps%2C55&sr=8-21

And a default titan strap (Citizen), which looks very good and is comfortable.

As much as I like many Citizen and Seiko watches, the straps usually are uaahhh... Even the metal ones for very expensive watches.

ET2SN

04-10-22, 06:11 PM

I still have the band for my WR100 Eco Drive.......in the box........somewhere. :k_confused:

I found the el cheapo cloth/nylon/velcro WalMart bands back when I needed to replace the band on an old, beat, but still running Timex Expedition (WR50M?) with the "Indiglo" illuminated face and found out that I really like the WalMart bands.
They don't shred or dissolve (Ahem, Citizen..) and the velcro stays sticky. The only problem is that I can't find them anymore. No idea who even made them. :wah:

BTW, the Timex is still running strong on its second battery. :o I think I bought it back in 2007?? :o

Skybird

04-10-22, 06:39 PM

Another great design by Seiko I like very much, Sharp Edge series, in red (SPB227J1). It has Lumibrite indices, but only at the outer tip of the indices, and on the hands of course. Thats stuff brightens up your whole living room! Well, exaggerated of cours,e b ut it is very lastign and very bright, the best such colpur in business. Easily, very easily lasts over a long night.

Its difficult to make good looking watches with red faces, mostly they look crappy, almost vulgar. Seiko has at least two that look great, one is a 9500 coins costing Grand Seiko, the other is this one for around a tenth of that cost. This one has a reserve of 70 hours. Thats anything but shabby. I could imagine a black strap looks great on it, too.

Until now, I could not bring myself to spend 700-1000 euros for a watch, so this one is not mine (yet?). Normally my limit is 500 Euros, and I even never reached that mark - I mean it's just damn watches, not the key to paradise. Or is it?

https://www.rm-time.de/media/image/29/17/f6/seiko-presage-spb227j1-13141290.jpg

Aktungbby

04-10-22, 06:49 PM

Do you say dial or face in English?
Yes, we do. :O:
:D All watches have 'faces' but not necessarily 'dials'...My wife's 25th anniversary gift to me is sheer scintillating beauty: the Movado Museum Watchhttps://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcSyyf985GX9VIoFXRPm__-gcOWOX1QQSkQbWBs8RG4ersXKN3LnoFE6CnrtTlgtHvY4rY3Ca AuM1SmseOLebxVu2lcesDPhAd9-N6Ib2YKy5RwTgNhIB9OeDA&usqp=CAE absolutely stunning in its minimalist design:yeah: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_George_Horwitt His best known design was for the "Museum Watch", which features a black dial without any numbers, symbols or lines to mark hours and minutes. The only mark on the watch was a single gold dot at the twelve o'clock position, intended to be evocative of a sun dial. The original Museum Watch, designed in 1947, manufactured by Vacheron & Constantin-Le Coultre Watches, Inc., Switzerland, was added to the permanent collection of the Museum of Modern Art in 1960.

ET2SN

04-10-22, 07:41 PM

Bah, if I had a load on I would think its 5 after 9. :06:

:har:

Exocet25fr

04-11-22, 07:18 AM

mines since 2014 whithout maintenance!:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TkJO0JQ3V1s

Skybird

04-11-22, 08:52 AM

I have two eco drives, and both just keep on working, and they are VERY precise (you do not need radio controlled watches if you have these, both vary by less than two seconds per month, and the one even is a cheap 110 coins watch...). Citizen were the ones filing the patent for solar supplied wristwatche sin the 70s, their expoerience with the technology and batteries should pay off by now. And it seems it does. Every brand seems to have its speciality were it excels more than other brands. Solar is Citizen's.

I got a green wathc. I dreamed of that re done.Here is a vision of a blue one.
https://uhrforum.de/attachments/dscf2029-jpg.2938848/
https://uhrforum.de/attachments/dscf6913-jpg.2938843/
(privately shot photos by https://uhrforum.de/threads/meine-erste-seiko-die-srpb41j1-presage-blue-moon.427682/ )

I saw a video were the playing light had parts of the dial and hands disappearing in blackness. Polished Dauphine hands either reflect light, or do not if the angle doe snto amtch, and then they could become just invisible in low light. On this dial they would simply disappear in the above situation. Seiko's solution: the hand are polished on the one side along the centre axis, and the other side is matte. So if the polished side does not reflect any light, the matte half appears as grey. Its a great looking watch (saw it live), but threy say the quality ontrol was not good on thsi model, quite soem micro dust and micro debris inside. You do not see it in normal use, but if you have a sharpo look at things, you can see it. So a watch with some cosmetic flaws under the hood. Still, it looks gorgeous. The loight plays from bright smargad blue to rightout black and darkness. Most photos and videos do not do this jutsice, they just do not get the blue of the dial right. Believe me, it looks much better in reality.
A dark blue whool or tweed strap would match this nicely. Or a dark grey to black.

If I would like to complete a colour set red-green-blue, these three watches probably would be it. And who knows what the future holds - I am a patient man...:D

mapuc

04-11-22, 09:11 AM

Bilge_Rat

04-11-22, 09:22 AM

This is my main watch, Citizen Promaster Altichron:

https://www.amazon.ca/Citizen-BN5058-07E-Eco-Drive-Promaster-Altichron/dp/B071K6V199?th=1

The wife bought it for my birthday a few years back. I wanted a watch that had a U-Boat/aviator/military/dive watch look with an analog display. Looked at various brands and this was the best fit. It has eco-drive so never have to worry about batteries again.

mapuc

04-11-22, 10:43 AM

Imagine I actually owned 3 pieces of pocket watch that I inherited from my uncle. And they work, which they did not do when I got them. They are 110% mechanical. Only downside there is no date display.
Edit
Wanted to take a picture of one of them but file size is too big. So I tried to see if I could find similar on the web without any luck. It has roman numbers and the locker has an ornament with glas in the middle.
End edit

Markus

Rhodes

04-11-22, 12:53 PM

My collection:
https://i.ibb.co/5sVwh1C/IMG-20220410-131235.jpg (https://ibb.co/ZcC7zfv)
https://i.ibb.co/Rb3XWxt/IMG-20220410-131251.jpg (https://ibb.co/wgSn198)
https://i.ibb.co/LJgqTZN/IMG-20220410-131329.jpg (https://ibb.co/mXyYncN)
Not all are mine (totally), 2 are from my father, but some times he decides to use one of mine and lend me one of his or for safe keeping.

And one pocket watch (Longines one) is from grandfather (mother's side), she give it to me as a Xmas present, I didn't knew about that watch,was a very nice surprise for me.

The big casio, I have it since 8th grade, only bought a new bracelet, since the old one broke after some many years of use.

And like a lot the Raketa 24h.

Aktungbby

04-11-22, 01:07 PM

/\ One can see...all those time pieces "sing to your wrist" ie: U don't need to $pend alot. U jus' gotta be pleased when it's on your wrist.:Kaleun_Los: the damn problem is...I only got 2 wrists!:k_confused::wah:

Skybird

04-11-22, 01:13 PM

I toke a trip into the world of wristwatches and searched for fully analogical watches...:o:o The prices they want for such a watch...around 32000 Danish Kroner = 4300 €

Hope is to find a used watch in some second-hand shop
(Fully working)

Markus
Nonsense. Analog watch = mechanical, non electrical watch? Automatic. From around 100 Euro upwards.

Cheaper automatics can be hand-winded only by hand-shaking them (if you left them sitting still for a day), and the seconds cannot be stopped and fixed exactly . Better ones can be hand-winded by turning the crown. Usually, if you wear them daily, hand-winding should nto be necessary.

Good cheaper autmatics have a variation from 20-30 seconds plus or minus per day. That is normal. Below 10 seconds is really good. From I think 4 seconds on they can get a license to call themselves "chronometer", these are the elites.

All the Presage watches I posted, are mechanical/analogue/automatic. The prices are 760-1000 Euros for the red, 360-460 for the green, 350-450 for the blue. The Seiko I posted in the beginning, costed 120.

Go to German Amazon, as an example, amazon.de. There enter a search for "Seiko Series 5", and scan the results, you will get automatic watches starting at 120 Euro up to some hundred Euros. Series 5 is Seiko's low budget series for automatics. I have the SNXS77 (Link (https://www.amazon.de/Seiko-SNXS77K-Herren-Armbanduhr/dp/B000KKO85S/ref=as_li_ss_tl?dchild=1&keywords=Seiko%2BSNXS79K&qid=1604145876&sr=8-2&linkCode=sl1&tag=klprme-21&linkId=942ef463d5dc6788323d00efc4457bd8&language=de_DE&th=1)) but this video about the SNXS79K is almost the same watch, just a slightly different colour, mine has a black-blueish sunburst, the video shows one with a black-greyish sunburst, both cost around 110-130 Euros depending on time and where you buy. You do not get more bang for this low price in the automatiucs segment (I think you said you understand German, no, yes?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oABHfg0X4bA

Mind you again: an automatic/mechanical watch never is as precise as a quartz watch.

This video illustrates how an Automatic works.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh_8BFDcEkg

Platapus

04-11-22, 03:47 PM

This is my main watch, Citizen Promaster Altichron:

Nice watch. Plenty of cooleo gadgets:up:

ET2SN

04-11-22, 04:50 PM

https://i.ibb.co/LJgqTZN/IMG-20220410-131329.jpg (https://ibb.co/mXyYncN)

:up:

I've never looked down on Casio or Timex.

What kind of watch do you wear on a sub? You're looking at two good examples. :yep:

The reason is simple, US subs are made out of HY80 or HY100 steel and NOTHING else wins versus HY80 or HY100. Just a glancing blow on a bulkhead is enough to wipe out a stainless steel watch casing, never mind the crystal.

The sad truth is I never expected a watch to last for more than one deployment or one year when I was at sea. :03:
We had a trick using a 1 1/2" to 2" rubber O ring where you would twist the O ring in half so its center looked like an X then lace the O ring on to your watch strap so the X covered the watch face, but it wasn't a sure thing.

Aktungbby

04-11-22, 04:57 PM

I've never looked down on Casio or Timex.
C'mon! U had to...unless you were Jane Fonda in Klute!:Dhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMy2MC2VoAAOmgj?format=jpg&name=small

ET2SN

04-11-22, 05:00 PM

We need a rim shot smiley. :rolleyes:

Aktungbby

04-11-22, 05:11 PM

We need a rim shot smiley. :rolleyes: https://c.tenor.com/KBUpa72wij8AAAAC/ba-dum-tuss-jokes.gif

mapuc

04-11-22, 05:25 PM

Here's the pocket watch I mentioned before(had to go through our FB-page)

Markus

Skybird

04-11-22, 06:22 PM

^ Now that's cute to have! I have a soft spot for these kind of watches, so old-fashioned, in a warm, friendly way!

Reece

04-12-22, 12:50 AM

Here's the pocket watch I mentioned before(had to go through our FB-page)

Markus
Very nice Markus, you can gift it to me!! :D

I have a very old German pocket watch made by Kienzle, rather weathered, has a flip down stand, still works. :yep:

Rhodes

04-12-22, 04:09 AM

I toke a trip into the world of wristwatches and searched for fully analogical watches...:o:o The prices they want for such a watch...around 32000 Danish Kroner = 4300 €

Hope is to find a used watch in some second-hand shop
(Fully working)

Markus

You may find good mechanical watches (chronograph or not), second hand, around the web, at decent prices.

I bought 2 for my father during the last 20 years. The big brands like omega or breitling, will be always expensive, but there other alternatives and quite good.

Soviet watches have been getting attention during the last years, and they have many models for choice.

Catfish

04-12-22, 04:20 AM

^ best wishes, get well soon :yep:

Skybird

04-12-22, 11:25 AM

Other people hang paintings up their walls, or have two dozen suites hanging in their closets, or three sports cars in their garage. I have none of all that, I do... well... :D

https://i.postimg.cc/3NrYF4dN/Presage-gr-n.jpg (https://postimg.cc/phSw2dQM)

The strap is a replacement by Bisonstrap.

It's incredible how beautiful these colors and this watch are, these warm tones.... I just maybe should have polished the mirror smooth steel before the shooting....

Spoon 11th

04-12-22, 12:04 PM

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day
give a man a watch and he knows at what time you'll be feeding him

Skybird

04-12-22, 03:20 PM

give a man a fish and you feed him for a day
give a man a watch and he knows at what time you'll be feeding him
And give a man many watches so that he gets fed often and becomes thick, fat and ugly! :D

I am very happy with my latest aquisition, under certain twilight conditions the dial is mesmerizing, and then deceives the eye by pretending to be a water surface with green shimmer at the very bottom - and the golden indices floating on the watersurface, unconnected to anything. Its a perplexing, mesmerizing perception. The hands also have this split nature of one half polished, the other half matte, and in full sunlight its only sparkles of bright lights and golden reflections and the green colourdance. All in warm, glowing colour tones: the leather, the gold, the green. So far the most beautiful watch I have, no doubt.

Two days left in the week having not their own watch. I need to choose wisely now - two more over the course of this year, not more. :D My collection will end with seven pieces, I have decided. I checked some European, German, Swiss brands last weekend, but I cannot get really warm with their sober, technical and somewhat cold designs. High Tech/Pilot/Diver watches fascinated me when I was young. Today its elegance and simplicity, colour, visual beauty: they call them dress watches, sometimes its dress-sports-hybrid watches.

After I am done with watches, I will start with cigars. LOL.

mapuc

04-12-22, 03:49 PM

^ Now that's cute to have! I have a soft spot for these kind of watches, so old-fashioned, in a warm, friendly way!

I asked my Mom if she knew where he could have bought it abroad-He liked to travel up to a certain age then he saddle down.

Trying to interpreter the ornament.

The clock isn't worth anything. I think he bought it at some basar or in the local shop.

Markus

Exocet25fr

04-13-22, 10:56 AM

Aktungbby

04-13-22, 12:23 PM

My Special limited serial second French watch: YEMA Spationaute II

On June 17, 1985, the Discovery shuttle took off with Patrick Baudry and his Yema Spationaute II on mission STS-51G (First Franco-American Orbital Flight).

http://bonjourlamontre.blogspot.com/2013/02/yema-spationaute-ii.htmlhttp://4.bp.blogspot.com/-nALOp3-uoeQ/URTxDCSPz2I/AAAAAAAAADQ/l-kZC9dlq08/s1600/spatinaute+II.jpg Nice!https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/10/265-yema-spationaute-2-circa-1985-mostra-store-aix-space-astronaut-15-dial-cadran.jpg/480px-265-yema-spationaute-2-circa-1985-mostra-store-aix-space-astronaut-15-dial-cadran.jpg<anything with a little 'Merikan flag "sings 2 my wrist"!!:O::arrgh!: :shucks:

Skybird

04-17-22, 07:23 AM

This watch looks wrecked - and I like it! The glowing indices also seem to shine good at night.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imNzotiokB4

Skybird

05-04-22, 05:59 AM

Yes. A red watch that does not look childish or kitschy. I saw it and knew I had to make it mine. The light and colour play can be amazing, sometimes its dark as coal, sometimes it glows like ruby and amber. Sometimes its matte like autumn leaves on the grund, sometimes light and shiny like polished red chrome or a red LED. Sometimes the lines are sharp, sometimes its all a mild, soft red ocean of gently glowing ruby and charcoal coloured waves. Sometimes the relief appears to be triangles, then rhombs, then star-like structures, sometimes its unclear, like structures under water seen through the moving surface of the water. Wonderful.

Also noteworthy to mention: a very very good, solid, finely manufatcured, braclet, worthy to hold a Grand Seiko for 10000 coins. Best metal bracelet I have had in my hands. Nothing looks or is is cheap in it. Now everybody: praise the bracelet! :)

As usual, Seiko's superb Lumibrite colour indices. They shine all night through, very brightly, and already in twilight start to visibly glow and shine.

I have also started to finetune my watches myself, which is less complicated than it soudns since the automatics I have all have callibres that can be regzukated by the same function principles. Worn on the handwrist these watches now all gain short of 1 second per day. That is, I would claim, a sensationally good precision value for a mechanical watch. All it needs is a watch scale, a very few fine instruments, some lessons taken on youtube, laser eyes and a calm hand.

I'm really getting into this!

Seiko Presage Sharp Edge series, "Blood Moon", limited edition (SPB227).

https://i.postimg.cc/5t3Xk4MD/20220413-171459.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/2yB8mmPk/20220413-183143.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/RC3cqtmF/20220413-163312.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/XNT95vNg/20220413-163239.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

https://i.postimg.cc/bNyp3xvY/20220413-163840.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

Skybird

05-09-22, 03:34 PM

A relatively new homerun by Seiko. I am happy that it is way too thick and huge for my smaller wrists, its buigger than the Sharp Edge I already have, and thus I am not vulnerable to seriouslky consider tio chase thgis one down. But it looks very, very good in my eyes, would have been a nice donation to my blue collection. Street price in Germany is around 1100, recommended list price is 1600.

Nice watch, but simply too big for me.

Edit: summer 2024 - nonsense, its not too big at all, I wear it since long time now! LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTmEJ0bTfPY

Skybird

09-08-22, 06:05 AM

Crap, since I saw the thing in a picture, there is a big mess in my head again....:D Fortunately, at the moment its practically not to get. I hope those harbours stay clogged down for long time to come... :O:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsj6N-aiias

Heck, I own a dozen watches now... The excuse that I see myself not as a collector maybe is hard to defend now... :haha:
BTW, I like this Citizen's looks better than that of the original Rolex Oyster Perpetual 36 Yellow that it mimics (and that costs 70 times as much, its 280 versus 20,000 Euros....). That happened already before, with a shabby Seiko SNXS79 for 120 coins. :haha:

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2802902&postcount=75

Platapus

09-08-22, 03:48 PM

Worth reposting as a PSA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m986siwzefs

Skybird

09-08-22, 04:33 PM

^ :D :haha:

To make it clear that I'm not a freak or a money-heavy show-off: I don't buy by features or price tags, not even as an investment (none of my watches are any good as an investment), I don't even actively search the new collections, but I decide solely by beauty that happens to meet my eye.

Currently, only one of my watches has a official list price of 1500 and a street price of around 1100 Euro, three have list prices of 1000 and street prices of about 800 Euro, the rest are between 150 and 500 Euro with both. So my collection costs less than some serious collectors would spend on a single watch. I don't have any function monsters either. The visual impression is the sole deciding factor for me, as long as the price does not exceed my limit. I would not spend more than around 1000 euros for a watch, never. Ultimately, it is and remains just that: a watch that pleases - but still: just a watch. I don't need twelve watches, nobody needs twelve watches. But I want to have them! And yes, I wear a different one every day, none of them just lies in the closet, they are all getting used and worn. Some men wear a different tie or suit every day or have six different expensive glasses, their wives may have 70 pairs of shoes - I wear a different watch every day. I have different pictures on my wall, too, so... :03: But my sweaters are all 6-12 years old and mostly made of cheap fleece. :)

One thing is certain: there are some unbelievably good looking watches out there, and there are some unbelievably ugly looking watches out there that make you ashamed to identify as a member of the human species. And often price and beauty are not correlated, that is the surprising thing. But as the saying goes: beauty lies in the eye of the beholder.

Rockstar

09-08-22, 07:28 PM

Pretty sure I’ve have at one time or another had those two Casio’s on the left and that Omega Dive watch on the right.

ET2SN

11-01-22, 06:32 AM

mapuc

11-01-22, 07:09 AM

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=240191

Markus

Jimbuna

11-01-22, 09:56 AM

Threads merged.

Skybird

11-01-22, 10:29 AM

Something that floated to the surface on my YT algorithm:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgEZiGIouc

:hmmm:

My good old EcoDrive is still chugging along and, at the end of the day, this is a $175 Casio. I went through my share of Casio's back in the submarine days, you wanted something accurate that wouldn't get you too upset when you bashed it into a bulkhead (which was almost inevitable).

So, what's good? I like the radio auto-set feature. Unless we wind up in a zombie apocalypse and Falcon AFB goes off line, the watch will stay accurate.

What's bad? The case is fairly wide (or that guy has really small wrists). Even though its Titanium, the case is going to get nicked and scratched unless you live in a padded cell. The whole Titanium thing? I'm concerned with long-term wear. Will it shatter at some point? Will my wrist turn an odd color? I like the solar cell but I already have one in the EcoDrive and it does really well. What if the Casio cell-and-battery-combo craps out after five years?

The band looks interesting. I like the new lug idea. But, how does it hold up?
I like my cloth-and-velcro bands but a GOOD metal band would be fine, as long as it lasts. :hmmm:
I have a Citizen Quartz Titanium, over twenty years old and still working precisely, 3-4 seconds in the plus in two months, that is very good. You buy Titanium in watches for looks (the grey tone is special, warmer than usual grey) and especially for weight (its extremely light), robustness depends on the steel spring bars connecting the individual links in the bracelet, has nothing to do with the titanium. If yoiu got a single bad bar or broken spring, you are screwed, titanium or not. This points out the one great advantage of Nylon and socalled NATO straps. If one of the two main bars in the watch's top and bottom end break, the watch still hangs on your wrist on the other end. A metal bracelet bar failing always has your watch falling off, down the bridge, into that river deep below you.

Skybird

11-01-22, 10:46 AM

Cool looking watch the Casio is, btw. I like it, but only with the simple indices, not the version with arabic numbers.

Aktungbby

11-01-22, 11:29 AM

Threads merged.

Considering: "time is an illusion"(per Einstein) upon which we expend much horological shekels and time adorning our limp wrists;...this is :subsim:'s most "threads merged" (4?)thread?!!:Kaleun_Los:

ET2SN

11-01-22, 12:40 PM

Considering: "time is an illusion"(per Einstein) upon which we expend much horological shekels and time adorning our limp wrists;...this is :subsim:'s most "threads merged" (4?)thread?!!:Kaleun_Los:

If that's a WIN, I'll take it. :D

Getting back to that band, I mostly get the idea of making it easy to adjust. My only question would be if its an innovation or a gimmick? And, (note to Einstein in the video) I'll bet dollars to donuts those "only two" adjustment spots are separated by a half a link. That's why they give you that fancy plastic "link popper". :O:

I like good metal watch bands, although they can really feel cold first thing in the morning. The key is how well the clasp was made (unless you're really into that "floppy watch on my wrist" look). :doh:

Platapus

11-01-22, 02:59 PM

Unfortunately, the reception of the radio signal is not good all over the US. That was one of the reasons I looked for a GPS sync watch. Here on the East coast our reception at WWV is sketchy. A co-worker of mine has a Casio radio watch and he says that he can rarely get a good time sync in this area.

Other than that, this is a good looking watch. :up:

Gilbou

11-01-22, 03:37 PM

Been eyeing the Casio GWG-2000
But for that price.. I'd rather go spend that on a new laptop for programming.

Platapus

11-01-22, 04:00 PM

G-Shocks

Either you like the way they look, or you hate the way they look. But there is no denying that they are well made multi-function watches.

Sean C

11-01-22, 08:09 PM

Even though its Titanium, the case is going to get nicked and scratched unless you live in a padded cell. The whole Titanium thing? I'm concerned with long-term wear. Will it shatter at some point? Will my wrist turn an odd color? I like the solar cell but I already have one in the EcoDrive and it does really well. What if the Casio cell-and-battery-combo craps out after five years?

Below are some pictures of my titanium case Casio. I probably bought it twenty years ago and I've worn it most of the time since then. It has gotten a little beat up ... but if you had seen some of the knocks this watch has taken, you would be seriously impressed by its condition.

My wrist has remained the same color it always was. And the solar cell and battery are still working just fine.

https://i.imgur.com/uDXF7u9h.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/K8xkesTh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/uyNONQzh.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/jJBS8dqh.jpg

Unfortunately, the reception of the radio signal is not good all over the US. That was one of the reasons I looked for a GPS sync watch. Here on the East coast our reception at WWV is sketchy. A co-worker of mine has a Casio radio watch and he says that he can rarely get a good time sync in this area.

I find that odd, because my Casio [above] gets a good signal almost every night here in southeastern Virginia. In fact, in the first picture above, on the top left of the watch face you can see a small black triangle which is the indicator that the watch has received a good signal within the last 24 hours. Of course, various factors can affect reception - such as the surrounding terrain, weather conditions, etc.

EDIT: Forgot to add that the only maintenance I have ever done to this watch is to clean it every time I'm in the shower.

Platapus

11-02-22, 04:09 PM

Here in North Virginia we have some mountains that mess up the signal

And DC. Nothing can get through that muck.

Shady Bill

11-02-22, 04:50 PM

G-Shocks

Either you like the way they look, or you hate the way they look. But there is no denying that they are well made multi-function watches.

They are incredible watches. If you want a model that will increase in value it is their: Casio G-Shock Eminem X6900Mnm-1Er (limited edition). I have followed this watch a bit and it has gone up quite a bit in last few years. Its currently around $1100US and I believe several years ago it was around $300.
It is important to buy the watch in the color white, as worn by the artist.

Their military watches are also excellent. Very sturdy watches and pretty also.

Platapus

11-02-22, 05:09 PM

When it comes to quality, functionality, and price. it is hard to beat some of the G-Shock family of watches

pretty also.

Pretty ugly. :D

mapuc

11-02-22, 05:31 PM

This post is about us who can't afford a real watch

Markus

Shady Bill

11-02-22, 05:35 PM

This post is about us who can't afford a real watch
Markus

Hahaha :haha: very funny Markus. Love that pic. Actually quite nicely made. That watch causes you a lot less anxiety when you drop it on the hard kitchen floor.

Skybird

06-19-24, 03:14 PM

Damn, they got me on the hook again. Not yet, but I am doing ever tighter circles around it. Haven't got a new watch since two years or so. And why woudl I? I have more than a dozen by now. Nobody needs a dozen watches. I wanted this dozen of watches, thats the difference.I chbage them almost daily, they all get used, get worn - who wears the same tie every day?

Limited Edition means nothing with Seikos, they do it all the time to keep brand prices up. The callibre also is nothing special, the 6R35 does not break easily, but is hard to callibrate and does not run with the precision you would expect from something with that price tag, 1000-2000 coins. Seiko means you pay for the brand name, and the design - but the design often is superior. The prices are not adequate for the callibre quality, however. Well - I know all that. And I own several Seikos, from 130 to 1500 coins. And boy - the designs are fantastic.

This one really gives me bad sleep at night. Already out of sale, but I could get it 2nd hand, from reliable source it seems, in Finland, a jewelry shop, one year warranty internationally, they say. I already considered it when it was released last year, and now regret that I did not get one while there was time. Factory-new items are completely out of sale now. The series was limited to 2000 pieces worldwide, and it was out of stock in record time. You saw it and you KNEW that you would not have much time to get it. Why did I hesitate...?

Because its a Seiko, and because I know the 6R35 callibre, I hand-tuned two of these myself, and it was a PITA and they still do not perform fantastic. I hate Seikos. I love Seikos. They can look great - they get me hooked, that simple it is. Think of them like of girls - you know they mean nothing but troubles, but you cant let your eyes off them.

I have two Sharp Edge Presages already, on eof them a GMT. The braclets are top, would do justice to luxurious Grand Seikos worth 50-100 times as much, I love them.

And no, not even me is crazy enough to buy a Grand Seiko. 1500 coins is my absolute limit, and its already way above what is reasonable for what in principle is nothing more than - a damn watch. LOL

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35xB0jvIh94

Skybird

06-20-24, 06:44 AM

I must make this mine. Negotiations with the Finnish shop are opened, they already offered 150€ discount. Now its about secure payment options, since I do not use nor have credit cards.

Street prices around the globe for this item vary from 800-1200 Euros, depending on where the item is offered, in Asia Seikos usually are cheaper than here in the West. For this model they all are 2nd hand now. But - this Finnish offer is factory-new - and they therefore offer full warranty. Its the only factory-new one that I found, globally. They now want to sell at the originally listed price at release date. I could get less agreeable options from private sellers and market place offerings with no warranties and secure shipment options, thats why I try this one.

Hope we get a deal. :hmmm: A credit card is needed by me just every couple of years, every five, six years. For that little use I do not pay yearly fees for it.

Shop is Kulta-Center, Finland. If any Fin here wants to drop a word of warning, please let me know.

https://www.kulta-center.com/fi/

mapuc

06-20-24, 07:41 AM

I must make this mine. Negotiations with the Finnish shop are opened, they already offered 150€ discount. Now its about secure payment options, since I do not use nor have credit cards.

My best recommendation would be an international money order.

Here you have to pay your bank a visit and pay what this watch cost and what it cost to send this money order to Finland with information about you and where you live.

International money orders are accessible to individuals who may not have access to digital banking services or credit/debit cards.

https://www.riamoneytransfer.com/en/blog/how-to-send-an-international-money-order-a-complete-guide/

Markus

Skybird

06-20-24, 08:42 AM

mapuc

06-20-24, 09:02 AM

Thanks, I see, but I did not mean the transfer modalities, but the shop reputation itself. They say they were voted shop of the year 2021 or so i Finland, have four shops across all Finland and seem to be around since decades, and seem to be a respectable watches and jewelry enterprise indeed, but native Fins living in the country may know or heard things about a company whose name is completely new to me - that was what my question was aiming at. ;) Its a bit more money than the usual international orders I have placed, so I am cautious.

The closest Finnish friend we have among us here is Dowly

I know what you mean-Once upon a time, about 15 years ago or so I used this Money order to pay for a Watch from an American company...it toke me around a year or so to get my watch.

Think it was 100 bucks or so + cost for sending the money order.

Markus

Skybird

06-20-24, 09:43 AM

^ That sucks! My orders from the US (no watches) were both hits and misses, misses being massive delays and need for repeated reminders to complete the delivery. Orders from the UK, Netherlands and Denmark so far went all smooth as silk.

mapuc

06-20-24, 04:47 PM

What do you say about this watch ?

https://panzerawatches.com/products/aquamarine-45c-03

It is waaayyyy to expensive for my taste.

Markus

Skybird

06-20-24, 06:07 PM

^ Protzig (=flashy?). Absolutely not mine. I'm generally very cautious with gold in watches. It's a paradox, but often the more gold is used, the cheaper, stylistically, it looks. The Seiko Sharp Edged Dawn, which I am now eyeing and which has gold indices, is somewhat an exception in my little collection. I have a single seconds hand on one of my watches, a rose-golden second hours hand on another (the other three hands on that one are silver), and a green Seiko with golden indices all over it, thats all gold there is in my watches. If gold, then only in indices and hands, but not for braclet and case.

A question of taste, of course. Some like to show golden jewelry, me not. I have no golden rings, necklaces, tie pins, cufflinks.I also dont care for such things. In watches, I ike the play of light with colours and fine visual detail, I exclusively buy watches for their looks, not their value or lack of value, or brand name. I liek to watcn at them,and I do that severla time sove rthe da,y thats why I care. My glasses I dont see, never, and I buy the cheoaets of the chepast internet glasses I get, since 15 years always the same model. I dont see my glasses, and what others think of my glasses I dont care for. A watch however I do see myself, like the paintings on my walls. And I enjoy it.

Golden indices on a watch face with blue-ish sunburst are often a looker however. Like with green, gold and blue is a visually attractive combination.

My darling watch is red and silver, however: https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2806992&postcount=121 Overpriced like so many Seikos these days, and the callibre is a damn primadonna that is inadequate for that price tag, but the design stuns me until today.

Aktungbby

06-21-24, 09:53 AM

A watch however I do see myself, like the paintings on my walls. And I enjoy it. ...but the design stuns me until today.In English: "It sings to my wrist!":arrgh!:

Skybird

06-22-24, 05:59 AM

Deal done :yeah:, though not with the Fins but with a Swiss guy (the Fins first agreed, and then broke off contact. Nice. This is exactly the kind of behavior I keep records on in my memory).

With customs and fees and delivery, the price will equal the orginally listed price by Seiko.

In English: "It sings to my wrist!":arrgh!:
:D It does. :haha: Or ion their poetic advertising prose: it's lights breaks through the last darkness of the night like the first sunbeams in the morning. :har: Advertising guys. Crazy people, always on dope 24/7.

Its a dress watch. I need business suits now, I have none. :haha: Or I frame it and hang it up the wall. :up:

Skybird

06-27-24, 06:06 AM

:Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:
https://i.postimg.cc/j2q7sJvZ/seiko4.png (https://postimages.org/)

From a gentleman in Switzerland. Pics do not do it justice, the colours and reflections constantly change between subtle and spectacular, bright and dark, like is always the case with the Akebono pattern in these Sharp Edged Presage Seikos. I love these watches, from the face pattern and colours to the form of the case and the quality of the heavy braclet. Thats why I have now four of these, three standard in red, gree and purple, and a GMT in blue. When I think "men's watches", I think of these.

The black steel bracelet brings the dial to shine. Maybe the dial purple-gold would not work if it were a simple grey steel, but with this Darth Vader appearance it looks - well, surprisingly sporty, I did not expect that, thought of it as a 100% dress watch. It isn't. The gold is not overdone, its rose-gold and toned down a very bit in colour, sometimes its almost silver. Its perfect. A highlight in my little collection. But it certainly catches more attention than my other Sharp Edge watches.

The callibre of these watches however is mediocre, its robust, but difficult to callibrate, the watches leave factory with way to much lack of precision for this price class (1000 for Sharp Edges, 1450-1600 for GMTs). Thats what one needs to know with modern Seiko Automatics: you pay mostly for design and looks and brand name, not for the callibre. The design often is superior, market-leading. The mechanical and with some of their watch lines the crystal quality is not up to the demanded prices. Thats why Seiko's reputation is in a slide, since years. To me, its obviously worth it, I am about the colours and reflections. But I can perfectly understand if somebody says that for these prices he demands also better mechanical quality. I think especially of the normal Presage Cocktail Times, costing around 450-600 coins - often showing failing QC and offering not even Sapphire crystals. But with the four Sharp Edge watches I now have (and these have Sapphi glass), all was and is well, I just had to callibrate two of them, and that was a PITA. They are the reason why I learned how to callibrate, and how to use a timegrapher. The procedure is simple, but hitting the right spot is difficult, is trial and error and works worse than with other callibres, even with timegraphers. They also loose their callibration over time, I must redo it once per year. Personally, I am satisfied with anythign form -10 to +10 secs per day (mind you, I talk automatics, not quartz). I get them to even half those values, but for Seiko they already do fine with -15 to +25 secs per day - that is unacceptable for this price range of 1000-1600 Euros.

Still, this Darth Vader edition is a fantastic aquisition!
:Kaleun_Cheers:

The Swiss gentleman even took the effort to cross the border and send it via German DHL, this way he saved me over 220 coins in customs, VAT and logistics fees. The watch is practically new, not much worn, less than one year old, I got it 20% below Seiko's listed price. Its a limited edition and practically no longer available as "factory-new". Japanese watch makers do limited editions inflationary, to push prices and because Japanese seem to love to own items of limited editions, it gives them a sense of owning exclusiveness but at affordable costs, so was the explanation I once red. Seiko almost abuses this, they constantly release "limited editions". This black watch was produced 2000 times. Not that exclusive at all, I would say. :D I own another limited item, the red Blood Moon Sharp Edge, my favourite watch. It too looks fantastic and does magic to the colour "red". LINK (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2806992&postcount=121)

https://i.postimg.cc/yxdpzhtH/seiko3.jpg (https://postimg.cc/dkbj2CJH)

https://i.postimg.cc/MGrJfTwq/Seiko.png (https://postimages.org/)

Jimbuna

06-27-24, 06:48 AM

Nice looking watch that Marc :up:

Below is my daily use Seiko 7T92

Much humbler than yours :)

https://i.postimg.cc/pLjV3q9N/processed-3-AB54-DEF-A40-C-4-E31-BA0-D-321481-AC0564.jpg (https://postimg.cc/CRFVqCHJ)

Skybird

06-27-24, 07:15 AM

It shows that while I turn old, you turn younger again! ;) I mean I had interest in these more technically looking watches when i was young, but back then then I could not afford them, not to mention: "collect" watches. I call them, for myself, "cockpit-watches".

Aktungbby

06-27-24, 09:21 AM

I call them, for myself, "cockpit-watches".:hmmm:...well naturally, when worn on the left wrist!:O::doh:In addition to my battered Seiko 150 meter SCUBA diverhttps://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/YFcAAOSwRBJmX9YS/s-l1200.jpg...My wife gave me an electric Seiko kept powered by wrist movement or and ultrasound recharger; it keeps meticulous time and I use it to set my other timepieces. https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/9ZQAAOSwZ4xjk2Bk/s-l1600.jpg

Skybird

06-27-24, 10:06 AM

Thats some cool looking design (the second, silver one), as if from some black-white scifi series from the 50s or 60s! There was a series in Germany from that time, "Raumpatrouille". The watch could have come from that. :)

mapuc

06-27-24, 12:16 PM

The pictures you have posted among your comments made me remember all these fancy wrist watch 007 had in some of his movies like
"The Spy who Loved Me" and Moonraker.
You can buy these watches, however without the thing Bond used them for.

Markus

Skybird

07-30-24, 10:28 AM

Damn...! :arrgh!:

https://i.postimg.cc/4Np13TNG/Unbenannt.png (https://postimg.cc/56NzPTCK)
I am lucky, its only available in Thailand and Japan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwTxG3PaljU

Say what you want about the QC desaster and mediocre callibres 4R and 6R and price policy by Seiko - when it comes to dials and design, Seiko - and Grand Seiko - are second to none. I am hopelessly vulnerable to their colopurful, reflecting treats, like a lil' kid... I curse the day I set my eyes first time ever on a Seiko.

Citizen pulled some good stunts recently, too, I have three of theirs, two quartz and one automatic. Actually its four, when I also count one old watch from 25 years ago. Their new Titanium watches really are of top class design. It seems they learned a lesson or two from Grand Seiko there.

For some, watches are about functionality, and precision. To me, its more, almost exclusively, the looks I fall victim too. Thank good its just watches, not girls. In the end and summa summarum watches are the cheaper hobby. :D

Platapus

07-31-24, 04:03 PM

Eye catching watch

Skybird

07-31-24, 04:32 PM

Eye catching watch
Isn't it...!? :yep:

I struggling with my inner demons...

em2nought

07-31-24, 05:09 PM

It's been a long time since I owned a watch. I guess there should be one in a prepper's gear. What would be a decent yet inexpensive watch if you wanted it for your prepper gear?

Skybird

07-31-24, 05:33 PM

Probably a quartz with solar cell. I would choose Citizen for that, nobody has more experience with that technologiy than Citizen, they were the first bringing it to the market back in the 80s. But it is EMP-vulnerable. Keep it in a Faraday cage, and feed it the needed light. These needs vary, depending on watch model and used battery cell. Its said their rechargable cell batteries can last up to 15-20 years.

If you talk about end-of-days scenarios, also two or three simple but well-maintained, well-runnign automatics that are tweaked to run with good preicison. Three watches: so that you can estimate the accumulating error. Cheap: so that you can buy three (different models).

I have two Citizen Solar Quartz's. LINK. (https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2802764&postcount=49) The green one is a Promaster, quite robust, and has 20 bar and a Sapphire, and a sturdy case. They both run sufficiently precise, lose a second or two per month.

I would also prep with lets say two simple 80s-style Casio LCD watches for 20 bucks each, and a can full of battery cells for them. Maybe this is the best - annd cheapest - advice in my post.

Really, not one but two or more watches. One electric for precision, the other an automatic for EMP-immunity.

Well. Prepper's worries. :D Other people kill time by solving crossword puzzles. :D

P.S. It does not hurt to know how to mount and read a solar watch on the ground. Combined with compasses, solar watches in form of necklace miniatures also work.

em2nought

07-31-24, 08:12 PM

Sean C

08-01-24, 08:54 PM

It's been a long time since I owned a watch.

If you start wearing one again, be prepared for people to ask you for the time a lot. Even though most people these days own a smartphone and/or smart watch, I still get asked what time it is more than you would think. Go figure. Thankfully, my watch has a fairly large and easily readable [analogue] dial, so most [older] people can see it for themselves.

I asked someone for the time once. His response was: "Time for you to get a watch." :haha: That has been my go-to response for a while now. (When I sense that it won't be taken as rude, of course.)

I guess there should be one in a prepper's gear. What would be a decent yet inexpensive watch if you wanted it for your prepper gear?

Easy. Casio F91W. U.S.$23 brand new. Great watch, proven over decades & cheap. Buy two ... or three or four. Or two and a shed-load of spare batteries. Or go with a solar G-shock. Can't go wrong with either of those, IMHO.

Skybird

08-02-24, 06:13 AM

Easy. Casio F91W. U.S.$23 brand new. Great watch, proven over decades & cheap. Buy two ... or three or four.
My thoughts exactly! Indeed I meant that watch, just did not know its model number. Everybody knows it:

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/61ywHRkBhyL._AC_SX679_.jpg

Can be had for as cheap as 13 coins on German Amazon.

If you stockpile cell batteries, dont buy a hiuge bunch at the same time, they also will be depleted all at the same time. Buy a pack of four. Then three years later another pack of 4, and another three years later again hour more. You get the idea. "Shelf life".

For the more dress-aware prepper, a Citizen Promaster Tough, if you still can get one second hand, then have its battery renwed (you cant do it yourself with this one, its a "monocockpit" case). Full steel monocase, Sapphire, Quartz, Solar, 200m, very robust. Was made in green and in black. It will be your first and only apocalpyse in your life, so commit the show in style - dress up! :haha:

Skybird

08-02-24, 06:15 AM

^What I wondered with these 80s style remakes of LCD watches form that era, why they almost never include a countdown timer anymore. They were common back int he days, and for me it was the by far most used feature, especially in the kitchen. What I never have needed was a stop watch, a second time zone, and hourly chime. Alarm sometimes was useful, as long as it was loud enough to be heard.

Skybird

08-02-24, 06:34 AM

I hopelessly fell under the green spell. :cry:

Ordered it, via Japan. That will become an expensive one, due to customs and import VAT...

Wicked evil green, malicously creeps into your brain and starts munching. I hate it. :O:

And I was lucky that it is just the green. This one also looks fantastic (many say its one of the best-looking watches Seiko ever made, and I agree), but is no longer available. In 2021 when it was introduced , it costed a moderate 750 bucks, now, used, you cannot get it for less than ~1700 coins, and the prices go up beyond the 2000 coins barrier. Considering the mediocre callibre inside (6R35 again), thats insane, the material does not justify these prices.

But the gorgious looks (its the same series like the green one):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR5afs4cQOI

For these prices, I am out. Never ever I go above 1500. I think it is important to set a strict limit, else you run danger to sooner or later drop overboard, financially.

Skybird

08-19-24, 07:56 AM

I have become the proud owner of the SPB259 in the baove video, just one post above. And its a stunner, its one of the two or three mnost beautiful watches I now have, izts a stunnewr. No won der that everybdoy wanted. Got it form a show in Leverno, italy - and it was probably the last factory-new of its kind. The last of three mohicans, so to speak. I had to accept a very high upscaling of the origianl price, however. But to me it is worth it, its an utmost beautiful watch. And to my surprise the - usually jst mediocre - callibre 6R35 runs very precise for an automatic: +1 to +3 seconds per day. That is EXTREMLY good for an automatic , within licensed chronometer specifications (0 to +4 seconds under all conditions). Sometimes the bear catches you, but this time I caught him.

My photos:
https://i.postimg.cc/NLq5wR0m/20240808-155409.jpg (https://postimg.cc/y3jVmgc8)

https://i.postimg.cc/9XG4GNgB/20240808-155255.jpg (https://postimg.cc/7bZY4XkC)

Skybird

08-19-24, 08:06 AM

The green watch "Bamboo" I also had ordered, one of the last available factory-new, to my best knowledge there are none anymore world-wide, I checked several according market places, internationally. But the agreed deal with the Japanese trader collapsed after two weeks, and I now reached deal with a gentleman in Spain, its not factory new, but he says its unworn and as-good-as factory new (the watch was released just this January, but is limited to 1000 pieces, limited to Thailand and Japan, and demand from beginning on was extremely high, so its already practically sold out). I should get it end of this week. Again, I had to accept a bonus to the listed original price, but the added costs equal "only" VAT and customs if I had gotten it for the listed original price from Japan. I am sure in two or three years the price will be much higher, like for the blue Ginza above.

Costly two month it were. But three total and most beautiful gems added to the collection, its 15 or 16 watches now. To my relief, no new "targets" in sight. I will not actively ping for more...

ET2SN

08-19-24, 08:38 AM

I'm sticking with my Citizen Eco Drive. :yep:

Hour, minute, and second hands, day and date, and I keep it charged under a lamp. I like the smaller face, there's less things to smash it into, and I'm too old to wear a searchlight on my wrist. :O:

:Kaleun_Wink:

Skybird

08-19-24, 09:14 AM

I have two Eco Drives, too (and three Citizens in total). Citizen is the pioneer in solar watchest, they were the first bringing out a solar watch.

The year was 1976, on the left just a protoype never reaching the market, on the right side the first commercially available model:
https://de.watchpro.com/2020/03/eco2.jpg
Cant say I am impressed by the visual appearance.

These days, the tpyical charge of a Citizen Eco Drive lasts for around 6 months int total darkness. However, I read that they also made models with a charge lasting for TEN YEARS. Not the longevity of the complete watch or battery - I mean the single electric full charge only. ;)

Aktungbby

08-19-24, 10:47 AM

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcRTOaasoksCqUtzHUEvBHcbbiqTfAx CUXdVbWyTC2X08ZrlBymhqCb_vUkXuwDUG7lL-9lDaFyYm-fPhoyxHLMcrxrRANvBXYhSzs8ALWnq9m4CJflNjiWCTH8&usqp=CAc Precisely! ...no sense 'wrisking' a Rolex fortune on the 'Merican mean streets these daze. My Croton ^ (above) vs a real Rolex https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/iVoAAOSwaW5lUo0A/s-l1600.webp <used: $13,500...ie: I'm up $13,450 on the day!! and lookin' just as good without a fractured skull:D!

I agree with you. Yipes! the mean streets of London are making my case for 'knockoff Crotons!:timeout: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13073205/rolex-watch-thieves-london-west-end.html https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2024/02/12/12/81149849-13073205-Roshan_Clark_18_poses_with_two_stolen_Rolex_watche s_He_was_part_-a-19_1707740145213.jpg[SIZE]<Roshan Clark, 18, poses with two stolen Rolex watches. He was part of a gang of London watch robbers.Danny Pizzigoni, owner of The Watch Club in the West End, said crime was prompting owners to sell up.
'People come in and they say, "I want to sell this gold Day-Date [Rolex] or this yellow gold [Philippe Patek] Nautilus because I'm too scared to wear it,"' he said.
More than 6,000 luxury watches were stolen in London in 2022, although the Met say incidents have halved since officers began conducting undercover sting operations in the West End last year.
Plain-clothed officers volunteered to go out wearing valuable timepieces after analysis showed thieves tend to target well-heeled victims leaving pubs and clubs between 11pm and 4am on Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights in Soho, also part of the Westminster district.

Platapus

08-19-24, 04:02 PM

I'm sticking with my Citizen Eco Drive. :yep:

I agree. I like my F900 JDM although mine is black and silver

https://www.rookjapan.com/cdn/shop/products/10142020-27840594_500x.jpg?v=1602643853

Skybird

08-19-24, 04:17 PM

I agree. I like my F900 JDM although mine is black and silver

https://www.rookjapan.com/cdn/shop/products/10142020-27840594_500x.jpg?v=1602643853
Thats one of those watches one can use to remote-control distant aircraft, I assume?

Skybird

08-19-24, 04:22 PM

The gentleman sending me the green watch offered me also this one. I refused, its not my cup of tea, and I also cannot say I like it by its looks, but the functionality idea is - well, something different. The idea itself - that is what I like indeed. Its explained from 00:01:23 on. Its something different, for a change.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GyUhRCSOc8

ET2SN

08-19-24, 06:45 PM

Thats one of those watches one can use to remote-control distant aircraft, I assume?

It would also have to include the signs of the Zodiac to have that option. :O:

https://www.gainesvillejewelry.com/media/catalog/product/cache/4295d61f31fb9745f9f550fe99874a38/B/M/BM8180-03E-1.jpg

My Eco Drive, I really like the simple, no-fuss lay-out. :yeah:
The only thing I did was replace the *meh* band with a cloth/velcro band I found at a Wal*Mart.

Platapus

08-20-24, 04:09 PM

Thats one of those watches one can use to remote-control distant aircraft, I assume?

Well...

The manual does say to never ever push the two buttons at the same time! :o:o

Skybird

08-21-24, 05:13 AM

Finally! After several weeks, collapsed deals, complications, misled communications and having contacted five different dealers, I got the green one, it just arrived. And boy, it is a stunner, pictures do not do it justice. I unpacked it and immediately was blown away by it. One of the two or three most beautiful pieces in my collection. Just 1000 were built.

Released just in January this year, it aleady is out of stock. It as an adventure to get one, and althogh it was privately owned already, it is without any signs of wearing, scratches - its flawless and as new. Bright, colourful, but not kitschy, not at all, but very tasteful, with a golden seconds hand that almost melts into the light green dial.

Very, very happy about this one. :Kaleun_Thumbs_Up: So beautiful!https://i.postimg.cc/QCYZj6fN/20240821-115726.jpg (https://postimg.cc/D4GMgcVR)

That were expensive two months, but I found and managed to get three outstanding pieces in tip top condition - one was factory new - that were difficult to find, all of them are small limited editions, and all are out of stock since quite some time.

My small collection now really is quite rich in highlights, and I now have watches in practically all colours except brown, orange and pink (and I will never get these colours...). And since I started with it over two years ago - almost three years?! , I found that I do not got tired of a single one of them, I do not regret a single deal I did, and wear them all and still like them all like on the day I decided to get them. Not one regret ever. Means: all deals I decided for, were good choices, not one dud, not one too early shot from the hip and missing.

No plans for further aquirings, my radar screen is as empty as if switched off. Thank God... :)

Jimbuna

08-21-24, 06:53 AM

Very nice looking watch Marc but for me the only flaw is it's an automatic.

I've had two or three over the years and sometimes I could get a little irate when having to manually adjust the time.

Skybird

08-21-24, 09:31 AM

Very nice looking watch Marc but for me the only flaw is it's an automatic.

I've had two or three over the years and sometimes I could get a little irate when having to manually adjust the time.

One has to know what one gets oneself into when going for an Automatic. Its no Quartz, and no radio controlled watch. +10 to -10 seconds per day in my book already is very good. Most Automatics have even greater tolerances.

You could go for a chronometer-certificated Automatic, these must run with deviations not exceeding 0 to +4 seconds per 24 hours, no matter the circumstances. I have currently three automatics running this precise, and they are not even chronometers, they are just lucky picks.

When you want pure function, you go for an electric tool watch. Obviously I am not about function anymore, but looks. To me, its more jewelry pleasing the eye than function. But I can also perfectly understand other peoples' fascination for precision or multi-functionality or the technical design of watches that lock like the cockpit of an airplane, when I was younger I liked these hightech-looking watches, too. That now I more prefer sporty dress watches is a new development, not older than just three or four years.

For me its jewelry, the only sort of jewelry I have and use. I use nothing else: no expensive clothing, ties, rings, necklaces, designer glasses, cufflinks - none of these. And no tatoos. :O:

Skybird

08-21-24, 09:51 AM

Skybird's Four Seasons :)

https://i.postimg.cc/8cFHVLD2/20240821-164519.jpg (https://postimg.cc/sGrSYQMm)

Spring, Summer, Autumn, Winter.

Skybird

09-22-24, 06:16 AM

For those who feel concerned this might be interesting to know.

https://www-nzz-ch.translate.goog/wirtschaft/wasserdicht-aber-zum-schwimmen-ungeeignet-wie-uhrenhersteller-ihre-kunden-verunsichern-ld.1848965?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true

Waterproof, but unsuitable for swimming: How watch manufacturers unsettle their customers. - Despite strict water resistance standards, many watch manufacturers warn against wearing their models in water. This is confusing, because it has been proven since 2007 that waterproof means waterproof. So why this caution?

In a nutshell: every watch offering 2 bar protection offers waterproof under all circumstances: jumping from a cliff and clashign onto the water surface, taking hot showers, snorkeling, diving to 20 m. Statements that it might have this and that Bar value, but is "unsuited for swimming", are misled. Only the sealing rings and the crown axis can be subject to degeneration over time, loosing the waterproof effect after some years.

Skybird

12-30-24, 11:49 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqoO1XgzpXo

251-360 thousand dollars vor different versions. :D

Edit:
correction: 780 thousand at the upper end. Then with plenty shiny stones:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ba3Rd-ovD8

mapuc

01-08-25, 05:54 PM

So this should be Zuckerberg's new wristwatch-

https://greubelforsey.com/en/watches/hand-made-1

Markus

Skybird

01-09-25, 05:00 AM

https://youtu.be/NRhSgrrpK7I?si=YdXvTpGcqJk4uA4A

Skybird

02-05-25, 09:20 AM

My second Citizen Tsuyosa (and my first orange coloured watch). They now have added seconds hack to the movement, the first ones (I have one in yellow as well) from two years ago when the model line was introduced did not have that. They have many more colours, 16 or so, some of which are very light and give a very fresh, clear, "easy", swingful visual impression, thats why I think of the Tsuyosas as "summer watches".

https://i.postimg.cc/BQ4wp3r3/20250205-141324.jpg (https://postimg.cc/5jK39h9K)

Supergreat bang for the buck, these watches are much cheaper than they look like, imo, and their calibre is much better than the Seiko 6R35.

https://i.postimg.cc/SsTNd4dx/20250205-142005.jpg (https://postimg.cc/BLF0ZdRr)

The dial is metal, with sunburst. It can look spectacular. The geometric design of bracelet and case look timeless, rmeinding of the 70s, but also loooking futuristic. No wonder that this model loune by Citizen ha sbeocme in no time one of the most successful and asked-for model lines in the watch world. I was a bit uncertain to get it at first, but when it arrived, all doubt was blown away within seconds.

Jimbuna

02-05-25, 09:44 AM

No disrespect Marc but those colours give me the impression it is the kind of watch a kid would wear :)

Commander Wallace

02-05-25, 09:47 AM

No disrespect Marc but those colours give me the impression it is the kind of watch a kid would wear :)

Excuse me, do you have an Issue with my Sesame Street Watch ? :O:

It has a great picture of Ernie and Bert and Big Bird on it's face. :)

Jimbuna

02-05-25, 10:46 AM

:haha:

Skybird

02-05-25, 11:22 AM

Its all about preference, of yourse. I like variety, and the colours, and sparkles! In the past, when I didn't buy and collect watches because I didn't have enough money for it, I liked the complicated techno and cockpit look more, the more dials and scales and hands on it, the better. But I've moved away from that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5cKOfmxV6Y

Is that still English he is speaking? :)

And this shows where the Tsuyosa steals" its design from: the Rolex Oyster Perpetual.

I have this yellow one as well, and love it. I actually like the Citizen better in terms of its geometric design, elements and lines. It looks tidier, a bit more modern due to its thinner lines and indices, airier, and better suited to summer. But of course you can assume that the Rolex has a higher quality callibre in terms of precision and consistency over the months.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFa8IfsSbQs

(Note that now, 1+ year later, there are already more colours than he mentions. The new ones are mostly lighter, more aerial. They all are metal with sunburst).

Precision of these two Tsuyosas of mine: the yellow gains 5 seconds over the day, which is really very good for an Automatic, even more so when considering that it costs only 270 coins on the streets, and the orange one gains ~8 seconds over the first 24 hours, which also still is quite good for an automatic, and that value still may change, it has run for just 24 hours now, new callibres sometimes need some time to find their tact. They have lumen on hands and indices, and saphire glass. These latest Tsuyosas have seconds hacking (the yellow had not).

Skybird

02-06-25, 07:08 AM

Ha, I finally managed to score a shot that does the dial justice.

https://i.postimg.cc/9fJxb4fS/20250206-013826.jpg (https://postimg.cc/qt6XMvyX)

Not that easy to photograph a watch well. Cameras love to shift the colours and make disadvantageous use of altering colour temperature, or you miss details and complex structures of the surface while getting blinding light reflections of the glass. The dial then can easily look as if made of plastic: featureless, plane.

Differen to tthe videos, my watch has neither scratches nor grates on the indices and hands, and no dust particles inside the case. Its 100% clean and perfectly polished.

Skybird

02-20-25, 07:47 AM

Citzen surely knows how to make those Tsuyosas looking beautiful. This relatively new red dialed Tsuyoa is no exception. I will not get it, since I have a light and a dark red Seiko, and since it is quite close to the orange Tsuyosa I just bought, but really, Citizen - you again have ticked off all the bight boxes!

Note this is the second red Tsuyosa, there already was a re done but with golden case and bracelet, and imho that looked HORRIBLE. This new red one is with all steel-silver, no gold applied.

When Citizen launched the Tsuyosa line a bit over two years ago, they were a bit overwhelmed by the huge succees that had withg it, they did not expect that huge success, the original four colours, namely the famous yellow one that I immediately drove my claws and fangs into, sold like bread rolls in the mornign at the baker's shop, and for some months Citizens was producing like crazy and still could not cover all demand. Later the line was boosted by many new colour schemes, manby of them really look beautiful and some more dressy than others, featuring colours like watery light blue, shady turquoise, sand. I usually would not look twice at such colours in watches, but here I did, was tempted. I could easily imagine to own five or six Tsuyosas all with identical desing , just different colours. In total there is over two dozen colours variations now, some with texture, most with sunburst.

The latest new swing of models feature seconds hack now. That was not the case in the earliest models. The two callibres I own both work within acceptable tolerances, the case is sharp in lines yet elegant, not too big, not too thick, the manifacturing quality is very good for this price segment and I have no particles, scratches or dust inside the case. The bracelet also is of solid quality, nothing spectacular, but adequate, the design matches the watch, looks are a question of taste, but I think it matches the general design. The clasp does the job, but it sticks out a very minor bit further when closed than I'm used to from other watch straps. There are some textile and rubber bracelets available, the watch cannot be euqipped with just any strap of matching width, the lugs are forbidding that. The glass is sapphire crystal. There is lumen applied, but it cannot compete with the Seiko's lumibrite lumen, it is okay, it lasts, but not for hours, there is nothing to really complain about, but also nothing to point out. Lumen is not the selling argument for the Tsuyosa. The desing I would rate as a good mix of dress watch and sports watch and everyday watch. The colours of course play a major role, the eye-catching- colours yellow and orange that I own obviously make them stand out, and I think of these as "summer watches" :), with less aggressive colouring the watch accentuates understatement and style.

The watch looks pricier than it is. The listed price is 300 Euros over here, but the street price usually is 10-15 % less. With lumen, 5 bars, sapphire, trustworthy callibre and superb sunburst dials and colouring, I would rate this as an offer where you get an awesome lot of quality for your buck, at an affordable and very fair price. Economically, they beat the Seikos I have easily, my Seikos just trump in dial design, they are threedimensional, reflective and generally more complex than just offering a plain sunburst. But the straight Spartan lines of the Tsuyosa is what caught my view first.

Needless to say photos and videos dont do justice neither to this nor other watches. The Tsuyoas in videos or on photos often look as if they had plastic dials, but that is the camera only. In reality you would not think of plastic for one second.

I do not like the new design with separate seconds dial-within dial a the six oc'lock position, however. These dont treat my eyes well, I admit. :) They look somehow childish to me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ce3H1V5k3dY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTBxHTn1LKM