Did he hate them or did he use them ?

[mapuc]

yesterday late evening I saw an episode on Viasat History.

It was about the Jews and the Holocaust.

In the beginning of the program a man sitting in a armchair an historian saying to the camera.

Hitler hated the Jews and he told about his life during world war 1 after this war until he moved to Munich and meet people from this nazi parti.

When he said those words "Hitler hated the Jews"

This made me wonder

"Did he hated them or did he use them, by exploiting the problems of the society, that were in Germany at that time to gain support from ordinary people."
(I just can't get this right)

From what I have learned the hatred against the Jews goes far, far back, The earliest I have read about situation where Jews was blamed was in the 800th century in The kingdom of the Franks

Markus

[August]

This made me wonder

"Did he hated them or did he use them, by exploiting the problems of the society, that were in Germany at that time to gain support from ordinary people."
(I just can't get this right)


Well can't it be both? After all if you're going to make a people a scapegoat for your societies problems it probably helps to justify it to yourself if you already don't like them.

[Dowly]

From what I have learned the hatred against the Jews goes far, far back, The earliest I have read about situation where Jews was blamed was in the 800th century in The kingdom of the FranksThere's been animosity towards Jews for over 2000 years.

[Jeff-Groves]

I heard they killed Jesus.
Pretty sure it was a FaceBook thing I saw that on.
:har:

Right now in the U.S.A.?
If your a Republican you HATE Democrats and everything is their fault.
(Just reverse the statement above for the other view)

So someone is always the bad guy. Gotta have a bad guy to be the Good Guy!

[Sailor Steve]

August makes a good point. As for the hatred, I'd recommend reading Mein Kampf. He blames them for ruining Germany, and the animosity certainly seems genuine.

Dowly's point is also very true.

[Catfish]

I heard they [the jews] killed Jesus.
Pretty sure it was a FaceBook thing I saw that on.
:har: [...]

Of course, it was Judah who betrayed Jesus with his kiss. The killing was done by the romans though.

[Jeff-Groves]

Of course, it was Judah who betrayed Jesus with his kiss. The killing was done by the romans though.
Now your just blending fact with perceived historical prejudice.
:03:
Haters gonna hate ya know?
:haha:

[Catfish]

[...] Haters gonna hate ya know?
:haha:

I know :03:

[Sailor Steve]

Of course, it was Judah who betrayed Jesus with his kiss. The killing was done by the romans though.
On the other hand the argument goes that the Romans didn't care one way or the other, and the Sanhedrin wanted him dead but were prohibited by Roman law from carrying out executions.

Just sayin'.

[Catfish]

^ imagine what happened if Jesus would emerge today, in Israel.

[mapuc]

I stand corrected.

The correct words should have been.

He did not only hate them, he also toke advantage of the problems in the society where the Jews was blamed by the Germans for having lost WWI and other problems.

I know that the Jews have been haunted and hated for more than 2000 years.

What I meant was that Hitler wasn't the first person who used the Jews and or the Jewish society for the problem his country was in.
And the earliest I can remember and have read was from this period 800th century(trying to remember exact year)and if it was in The kingdom of the Franks.


Markus

[Platapus]

A good way to get people to support you is to convince them that their problems are caused by someone else.

[Jeff-Groves]

A good way to get people to support you is to convince them that their problems are caused by someone else.

Your right!
Marcus and Sailor Steve are clouding the issue and causing problems.
:har:

[Sailor Steve]

A good way to get people to support you is to convince them that their problems are caused by someone else.
James Madison said much the same thing.

So did Hermann Goering.

[Jimbuna]

August makes a good point. As for the hatred, I'd recommend reading Mein Kampf. He blames them for ruining Germany, and the animosity certainly seems genuine.

Dowly's point is also very true.

:yep:

[STEED]

Slight side line..

I was watching a programme about Himmer last week and it came across Himmler wanted the Germans to get back to the land and work it instead of moving to the city's and in his view having a good time. Strong values and hard work which later on when he came to power bought in, there was no real info to suggest Himmler hated the Jews before getting in with the Nazi movement.

Hatred of the Jews as we all know goes way back in history.

[Jimbuna]

Himmler eh?

Not sure if that is correct or not but either way, he certainly made up for it later.

[Catfish]

I heard some (for me) strange stories about Himmler wanting to visit Palestine in the years before WW2, to speak about the relocation of european jews(?), and I just wondered why. Was there another plan? It also seems he was not allowed to meet with the jewish leadership there, probably because at that tiome it was still an english "protectorate", so he went to Cairo instead and met some people there. I have never been able to get more info about this rumour though.
There was also another country in question for a resettlement, at the eastern coast of Africa.
It just seems strange.

[Dowly]

On the other hand the argument goes that the Romans didn't care one way or the other, and the Sanhedrin wanted him dead but were prohibited by Roman law from carrying out executions.Generally in these situations the Romans began to care when something threatened public order. Seems like Jesus' crucifixion was one such instance. Judea was bit of a powder keg to begin with, so all troublesome people were quickly taken care of by various means.

[Jimbuna]

A pretty good outline of his 'achievements' can be found here: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Heinrich-Himmler

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/historic_figures/himmler_heinrich.shtml

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_Himmler

[Sailor Steve]

I have Peter Padfield's biography of Himmler. I've been meaning to read it.

For years. :dead: