Meanwhile, here in the UK-Nuisance Drones

[Jimbuna]

As if the possibility of potential air traffic chaos across the UK and much of Europe post Brexit wasn't enough....now we have the drone disruption.

Tens of thousands of passengers have been disrupted by drones flying over one of the UK's busiest airports.

Gatwick's runway has been shut since Wednesday night, as devices have been repeatedly flying over the airfield.

Sussex Police said it was not terror-related but a "deliberate act" of disruption, using "industrial specification" drones.

About 110,000 passengers on 760 flights were due to fly on Thursday. Disruption could last "several days".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46623754

[Catfish]

Why ?! :doh:

From threatening air traffic to spying at neighbours, those gadgets should be prohibited :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

Agreed and I believe the authorities patience is coming to an end because it is being reported that police marksmen are in the area, probably to shoot the buggas out of the sky.

[Buddahaid]

It should be considered domestic terrorism because of the possibility of creating an air disaster.

[fumo30]

Why ?! :doh:

From threatening air traffic to spying at neighbours, those gadgets should be prohibited :hmmm:


My opinion too.:yep:

[fumo30]

it is being reported that police marksmen are in the area, probably to shoot the buggas out of the sky.


Sounds fun. :D

[STEED]

The powers to be saw this years ago and did nothing. Once again trying to lock the barn door after the horse has bolted.

[Eichhörnchen]

I can't understand how they were ever allowed into the hands of the general public... it was inviting this kind of thing

[ikalugin]

I wonder when Russia would be blamed for it.

[Commander Wallace]

^ Why are you bringing up Russia ? When was Russia ever mentioned in this thread ? I think Jim brought up the drone issue to illustrate a dangerous situation that is developing with regards to air traffic and safety and drones. It wasn't meant to voice issues with regards to perceived International relation issues.

[ikalugin]

^ Why are you bringing up Russia ? When was Russia ever mentioned in this thread ? I think Jim brought up the drone issue to illustrate a dangerous situation that is developing with regards to air traffic and safety and drones. It wasn't meant to voice issues with regards to perceived International relation issues.


This language:
but a "deliberate act" of disruption, using "industrial specification" drones.
sounds a lot like the one used when discussing alleged Russian cyber activities. Which makes me wonder when this "deliberate act of disruption" would be blamed on Russia or Russia affiliated actors.

[Commander Wallace]

This language:

sounds a lot like the one used when discussing alleged Russian cyber activities. Which makes me wonder when this "deliberate act of disruption" would be blamed on Russia or Russia affiliated actors.




Clearly, you are reading something into this that doesan't exist. It appears to be deliberate but clearly something that doesn't involve Russia. This is a domestic Issue in the U.K and likely, brain dead individuals or people that believe this is a funny prank but again, something that doesn't involve Russia.

[ikalugin]

Clearly, you are reading something into this that doesan't exist. It appears to be deliberate but clearly something that doesn't involve Russia. This is a domestic Issue in the U.K and likely, brain dead individuals or people that believe this is a funny prank but again, something that doesn't involve Russia.
I hope that you are right and we do not get blamed for it.

[Commander Wallace]

I hope that you are right and we do not get blamed for it.



^ Again, why bring Russia into this discussion at all ?

[Buddahaid]

633 flights disrupted and nobody caught yet plus troops are now deployed.

[ikalugin]

^ Again, why bring Russia into this discussion at all ?
Because I believe that what I have described is likely.

[Commander Wallace]

Because I believe that what I have described is likely.



You were the only one to bring up Russia. It may come as a surprise to you but not everything in the world involves Russia or revolves around your country. That being said, You have described nothing but your delusions which differentiates your post from being a factual one to trolling this thread.


Show some respect for your fellow Subsim forum members and leave Russia out of this thread. There are other politically suitable threads were you can indulge in your political views and fantasies but clearly, this isn't one of them. Please move on.

[mapuc]

Could this be some kind of psychological terror ?

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Could this be some kind of psychological terror ?

Markus


Anything is possible, Markus but it's more likely someone just playing with a new toy and causing disruptions at the airport. The drones can be expensive and if a one or more are shot down and the operator of the drone prosecuted and incarcerated, this may well end it.

[ikalugin]

You were the only one to bring up Russia. It may come as a surprise to you but not everything in the world involves Russia or revolves around your country. That being said, You have described nothing but your delusions which differentiates your post from being a factual one to trolling this thread.


Show some respect for your fellow Subsim forum members and leave Russia out of this thread. There are other politically suitable threads were you can indulge in your political views and fantasies but clearly, this isn't one of them. Please move on.
You have got it wrong. What I have been talking about is not how all events involve Russia or resolve around Russia (they don't, our contribution to the world affairs is fairly modest), but how many events (which are not related to Russia) are attributed (to Russia) because (Russia) is a convenient scape goat.


However it appears that this line of discussion is not welcome, thus I would not pursue it.

[em2nought]

Agreed and I believe the authorities patience is coming to an end because it is being reported that police marksmen are in the area, probably to shoot the buggas out of the sky.


More likely they're there to shoot Tommy Robinson if he shows up to cover the story. :03:


You have got it wrong. What I have been talking about is not how all events involve Russia or resolve around Russia (they don't, our contribution to the world affairs is fairly modest), but how many events (which are not related to Russia) are attributed (to Russia) because (Russia) is a convenient scape goat.


The American left liked you guys much more back when you were communists so that's your current problem. That and you have a large "white" population, another strike against you.

[Buddahaid]

Who's the troll now?

[Commander Wallace]

You have got it wrong. What I have been talking about is not how all events involve Russia or resolve around Russia (they don't, our contribution to the world affairs is fairly modest), but how many events (which are not related to Russia) are attributed (to Russia) because (Russia) is a convenient scape goat.


However it appears that this line of discussion is not welcome, thus I would not pursue it.

Just to put things in perspective, I don't view Russia as a scapegoat and I have doubts that most do either. I also think Russian contributions in world affairs are greater than you might think. That's not a bad thing. It just seems your line of thought is that the drone issue involves Russia and it doesn't.


I stand behind what I said but If I seemed abrupt, my apologies. Other than that ikalugin, it's all good. :yep:

[ikalugin]

The American left liked you guys much more back when you were communists so that's your current problem. That and you have a large "white" population, another strike against you.
Won't we score diversity points by having a large (and organic) muslim population?

[eddie]

Agreed and I believe the authorities patience is coming to an end because it is being reported that police marksmen are in the area, probably to shoot the buggas out of the sky.


Hope you guys catch them Jim, long before something terrible happens!

[Catfish]

Sorry for being OT,
but Ikalugin was just making a joke. He said "it sure was Russia" because all strange or negative events are immediately connected with Russia, by almost all western media.
Of course there is also a twist.. :03:

[Jimbuna]

Hopefully back to normal now.

Gatwick's runway has reopened after drones caused the airport to shut down for more than a day.

The airport, the UK's second busiest, said 837 flights were scheduled but there were delays and cancellations.

Boss Chris Woodroofe said "mitigating measures" from the government and military had given him "confidence to reopen".

The drone operator is still at large and police said it was possible they were an environmental activist.

The airport is expected to be "back to normal" by the end of Saturday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46643173

I sure hope this 'environmental activist' isn't a Russian national :O:
:03:

[Commander Wallace]

Sorry for being OT,
but Ikalugin was just making a joke. He said "it sure was Russia" because all strange or negative events are immediately connected with Russia, by almost all western media.
Of course there is also a twist.. :03:

I see that Kai and thanks for the helpful reminder. The news media has developed what has been coined as fake news, which is little more than a euphemism for a lie


Hopefully back to normal now.


I sure hope this 'environmental activist' isn't a Russian national :O:
:03:



Oh geez, here we go again. :03: There goes the neighborhood. :O:


Did I understand correctly that there were multiple drones being used to disrupt air traffic ? You had mentioned marksmen but how effective can they be if the drones are moving at a high rate of speed ?


Can " buck shot " be used or jamming the drones or using other drones to capture the offending ones ?

[Jimbuna]

I'm not sure what it is they were or are planning to use but whatever it is they certainly aren't informing the public.

[em2nought]

I'm not sure what it is they were or are planning to use but whatever it is they certainly aren't informing the public.


Flying Border Collies? :D


http://content.tailster.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/Flying-dog-695x743.jpg

[eddie]

Just read that the drone has reappeared again.

[nikimcbee]

If only the Germans won, you wouldn't have a drone problem. Just sayin.

https://historythroughgaming.files.wordpress.com/2014/12/flakvierling-38.jpg (https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=images&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwiR-tjI5rHfAhWS458KHYiCDVgQjRx6BAgBEAU&url=https%3A%2F%2Fhistorythroughgaming.wordpress.c om%2F2014%2F12%2F01%2Fthe-20-mm-flak-flakvierling%2F&psig=AOvVaw0vg5CzbK2Un0abQX3OosMy&ust=1545511877212483)

[nikimcbee]

Won't we score diversity points by having a large (and organic) muslim population?

Yes, but are they gluten free, non-GMO muslims?

[Catfish]

You need a more powerful thumpmobile zapper.
Here in Germany you build an EMP generator with a microwave oven, and a directional antenna. When this idiot appears again with his basses pumping you fire it in direction of the car's HiFi equipment and it will be silent. If you accidentally hit the car's electronics, oops.
If you fire it at a drone it will drop like a stone. You need more power for a swarm, of course. Just saying :03:

[Commander Wallace]

You need a more powerful thumpmobile zapper.
Here in Germany you build an EMP generator with a microwave oven, and a directional antenna. When this idiot appears again with his basses pumping you fire it in direction of the car's HiFi equipment and it will be silent. If you accidentally hit the car's electronics, oops.
If you fire it at a drone it will drop like a stone. You need more power for a swarm, of course. Just saying :03:




You know, you are starting to scare me. Just saying. :haha:

[ikalugin]

I am fairly certain that such a radio emiter would be highly illegal.

[Commander Wallace]

^ Not to mention dangerous as well.

[Buddahaid]

I've got one, and all me buddies. Where've you been.....

[STEED]

I hear on the news a couple have been arrested but not charged as to date. This subject came up on the radio and a security expert rang in saying these drones have been flown around Heathrow for years and Heathrow has refused to close.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46657505

[Jimbuna]

I trust that they will be suitably inconvenienced by not being released on Bail prior to Christmas.

[Moonlight]

Typical brain dead coppers of the day, they arrest the first person they hear has got a drone and never mind the bloody great big alibi that the accused are supposed to have, the bleeding knob heads. :har:

'He couldn't have been flying a drone over Gatwick, he was fitting windows at the time!' Boss of double glazing worker, 47, arrested with his wife, 54, insists police have 'got the wrong guy' (https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6522089/Two-people-arrested-criminal-use-drones-Gatwick-Airport.html)

[Jimbuna]

Pair questioned over drone sightings that closed Gatwick airport released without charge, Sussex Police say.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46665615

[Catfish]

I do not know make or model of said drones, but as german News told it they were all of a similar type and of a "professional design", whatever that means. They have to be controlled by someone, and by some certain frequency. Would be best to detect the control signal and then go for it, directional-wise.
Unfortunately, it is not as easy.. because the air is full of control frequencies of all kinds, almost jammed. To be able to control one certain drone, or a swarm, the drone(s) has(ve) to isolate the signal meant for it/them.
So getting hand on one of the drones to find out the frequency and code (often via some Rfid chip) is mandatory :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

^As far as my understanding goes "professional design" means they were of industrial standard capable of carrying cameras and light loads.

[Jimbuna]

The suggestion there may not have been any drones at Gatwick Airport was a "miscommunication by police", a government source has told the BBC.

During a conference call between ministers, chaired by Transport Secretary Chris Grayling, it was agreed the 67 drone sightings were legitimate.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46670714

This is a bit rich when you consider Chris Grayling is possibly the worst Transport Minister we've had in decades and the remaining Ministers aren't exactly showing any kind of competency where Brexit is concerned.

[STEED]

This is a bit rich when you consider Chris Grayling is possibly the worst Transport Minister we've had in decades and the remaining Ministers aren't exactly showing any kind of competency where Brexit is concerned.

Typical bloody dumbass politician full of guff. Oh I hear that couple have been traumatised being arrested. Wonder what news paper may have suggested that.

[STEED]

More news now suggesting there was no drone! Right then it must have been a UFO...Maybe. :03:

[eddie]

You know something Steed, Amazon was testing delivering packages by drones over here, wouldn't it be funny if that was going on in the UK right now,lol

[mapuc]

According to the Danish news here, the couple who was… (can't find an English word for a person who's being accused and convicted by a countries newspaper and not the law)

Can look forward to a generous compensation

Markus

[STEED]

You know something Steed, Amazon was testing delivering packages by drones over here, wouldn't it be funny if that was going on in the UK right now,lol

That would be very interesting if it comes to light Amazon were behind it.

According to the Danish news here, the couple who was… (can't find an English word for a person who's being accused and convicted by a countries newspaper and not the law)

Can look forward to a generous compensation

Markus

I can not see why they are carping on give it another day or so and the media will forget them just like the rest of us have.

[Jimbuna]

You know something Steed, Amazon was testing delivering packages by drones over here, wouldn't it be funny if that was going on in the UK right now,lol

Or the theme for a future movie perhaps :03:

[Jimbuna]

Sussex Police's chief constable has said he feels "really sorry" for the couple who were held for 36 hours over the Gatwick Airport drones chaos.

Paul Gait and Elaine Kirk, who were released without charge, said they felt "violated" after their home was searched and their identities exposed.

Giles York told the BBC Radio 4's Today programme he was "convinced the grounds for arrest were well-founded".

Two drones found near the airport have been ruled out of being involved.

Mr York defended the decision to hold Mr Gait for an extended period, despite his employer saying he was at work during the drone flights.

He added: "I'm really sorry for what [Mr Gait] has experienced and the feeling of violation around it.

"[But] what might have been worse as an experience for him would have been to be released under investigation still.

"We were able to exhaust all our lines of inquiry on that first instance and were able to release him from police custody saying he was no longer a suspect."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46709353

This is probably as far as the Police can go.

[STEED]

And now more crazy news reported on SKY, Gatwick was flying its own drones that day! :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Not in the vicinity of the runway....tis illegal.

[STEED]

Not in the vicinity of the runway....tis illegal.

Just a snip-it bit of news no details just like the reports of two drones shot down as reported on the radio news. Silly season. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

Looks like silly season is well and truly underway, this time it's the Severn Bridge but at least they have managed to aprehend the stupid bugger.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-arrested-for-%E2%80%98flying-drone-off-severn-bridge%E2%80%99/ar-BBRDIkh?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[STEED]

"Military capability" deployed to counter illegal drone flights at Gatwick Airport has been withdrawn, the Ministry of Defence has confirmed.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-sussex-46741687

Late last night on the radio their were reports suggesting the whole thing was nothing more than mistaken identity that got whipped up into a frenzy!

[STEED]

Gatwick and Heathrow invest millions in military-grade anti-drone equipmenthttps://news.sky.com/story/gatwick-and-heathrow-invest-millions-in-military-grade-anti-drone-equipment-11598507

We shall see if this flares up again and if this new system works when it goes on line.

[Mariner1]

Thanks for picking this up. The full story has yet to emerge. The news stories are printed in good faith, but they're so often wrong-headed. Living about 40 miles from Gatwick, I see evidence of our busy UK airspace overhead everyday, and follow the planes online. In this case, the drone operator could easily have been working remotely, as our military drone operators already do. The key actors are the release/recovery team, and it's possible that the drone(s) were launched from and landed on a moving vehicle. Physically shooting or zapping a drone in-flight runs risks of collateral damage and debris, especially on a working airstrip. UK security forces have improved their capabilities now, but I forecast a repeat demonstration disruption in 2019, because the technology is so widespread. I agree the Government has been wrong-footed, and Chris Grayling should resign in favour of someone more competent. For SubSimmers, the thought to hang on to is that flying a drone is pretty similar to a video simulation, with real-world consequences. Oh well, back to Scapa Flow (single missions, SH III GWX)!:subsim:

[Jimbuna]

I forecast a repeat demonstration disruption in 2019, because the technology is so widespread. I agree the Government has been wrong-footed, and Chris Grayling should resign in favour of someone more competent.

Agreed and agreed.

[STEED]

Police to get new powers to tackle illegal drone usehttps://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46787730

[Jimbuna]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNxr5fJ4XUY

[Jimbuna]

JUST IN: Departures at Heathrow have been suspended after a reported sighting of a drone.

[Jimbuna]

Flights have resumed after a delay of a little over an hour.

[STEED]

News just in of the radio the army is being sent to Heathrow airport. Here we go again.

[CDR DPH]

It should be considered domestic terrorism ...

The word terrorism is being improperly and over used these days. Flying drones near an airport is not causing fear to achieve a political objective, it is being an a$$, causing mischief, negligence and a whole host of existing criminal offenses.

Calling everything people do that is antisocial or disruptive terrorism is short sighted and inappropriate.

Catch these folks, convict them, sentence them to rot in the Tower and before taking them there let them spend 48 hours in a stock in Trafalgar Square with lots of rocks, rotten fruit/veggies on hand.

[STEED]

Military assistance at Heathrow after drone sightings https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/military-assistance-at-heathrow-after-drone-sightings/ar-BBRZ0d3

[Jimbuna]

Catch these folks, convict them, sentence them to rot in the Tower and before taking them there let them spend 48 hours in a stock in Trafalgar Square with lots of rocks, rotten fruit/veggies on hand.

I could go along with that :yep:

[Jimbuna]

Looks like they may have the bugga responsible for the incident at Heathrow on Christmas Eve.

A man has been charged with flying a drone near Heathrow Airport on Christmas Eve.

George Rusu, 38, allegedly used a drone on a field near one of the two runways at Britain's busiest airport on 24 December.

The alleged incident happened just three days after Gatwick fully reopened following three days of flight cancellations and delays, affecting about 140,000 passengers, caused by drone sightings.
Rusu, of Blunts Avenue, Hillingdon, will appear at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court on Tuesday.

He is charged with flying a "small unmanned aircraft without permission of air traffic control", according to court documents.

The drone did not cause disruption to Heathrow, unlike another drone sighting on 8 January which shut down one runway for just over an hour.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-charged-over-heathrow-drone-incident/ar-BBStnuT?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[Jimbuna]

Looks like they may have the bugga responsible for the incident at Heathrow on Christmas Eve.

A man has been charged with flying a drone near Heathrow Airport on Christmas Eve.

George Rusu, 38, allegedly used a drone on a field near one of the two runways at Britain's busiest airport on 24 December.

The alleged incident happened just three days after Gatwick fully reopened following three days of flight cancellations and delays, affecting about 140,000 passengers, caused by drone sightings.
Rusu, of Blunts Avenue, Hillingdon, will appear at Uxbridge Magistrates' Court on Tuesday.

He is charged with flying a "small unmanned aircraft without permission of air traffic control", according to court documents.

The drone did not cause disruption to Heathrow, unlike another drone sighting on 8 January which shut down one runway for just over an hour.https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-charged-over-heathrow-drone-incident/ar-BBStnuT?li=BBoPWjQ&ocid=mailsignout

[Schroeder]

Why do they release the full name + address of someone who isn't convicted yet? Seriously even if he's found innocent he's had his name plastered over the news and that will stick.:down:

[Jimbuna]

Why do they release the full name + address of someone who isn't convicted yet? Seriously even if he's found innocent he's had his name plastered over the news and that will stick.:down:

Fair point :hmmm:

[ikalugin]

Maybe his drone was hacked!

[em2nought]

Maybe his drone was hacked!


I bet when we're all in self driving cars that they'll return to the car lot themselves if you miss a payment. :D There go all the repo man jobs. :03:

[ikalugin]

Unless you jail break them that is.