#GoFundTheWall

[em2nought]

I think I'm going to buy "another brick in the wall". We don't need no "stinkin' left biased" education. :03:



https://www.gofundme.com/TheTrumpWall?fbclid=IwAR3aU9gkv3O09fPw4nwDxkvUdL0c Z-Jl_KaIMutyOdWT5z-sx6oibKMF8yc


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[Buddahaid]

At least there is education.

[GoldenRivet]

At least there is education.

Just enough to vote and pay taxes

[Dowly]

https://i.imgur.com/8iyKp14.jpg

[em2nought]

$6 million and climbing on day three. :up:


I sure hope Mueller doesn't find out that the titanium in this guy's legs was mined in Russia. :D

[Platapus]

During WWII we sold War Bonds to partially fund the war.
Perhaps the US could sell Wall Bonds.

That will tell us how popular the idea of a wall would be. If we can't get at least half of the funding voluntarily from the citizens, we should not be involuntarily having the citizens fund the wall.

[em2nought]

I believe this should be the new way we determine every single dollar our government spends on our behalf. The old method certainly doesn't work. :03:


$7.6 million and climbing.

[Buddahaid]

I'm going to predict this will be a failure and the money will be squandered on lawyers and mismanagement.

[em2nought]

I'm going to predict this will be a failure and the money will be squandered on lawyers and mismanagement.


I predict that the left hasn't hated something as much as they're going to hate this since Tuesday, Nov 6th 2018. :D


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/E3oKoU9GQDo/hqdefault.jpg

[Subnuts]

Good luck with the grift! :Kaleun_Wink:

[em2nought]

$12.5 million and climbing day four. House sends a bill funding the wall forward to the Senate in order to not be replaced by gofundme as a better form of governance. :03:
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2018/12/20/house-passes-spending-bill-with-wall-funding/

[Catfish]

Great! Better those fools lose their money instead of people who do not like the idea and their taxes being abused for this sh.. idea. Polarizes even more. Win-win :yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

How many times did Trump say flat-out that Mexico would pay for the wall?

[Catfish]

^ I take it there are so many Mexicans in the US that they basically fund it :O:

[u crank]

^ I take it there are so many Mexicans in the US that they basically fund it :O:

Eventually. :har:

[Sailor Steve]

That's a point. :damn:

[u crank]

The reason a secure border wall has not been — and may not be — built is not apprehension that it would not work, but rather real fear that it would work only too well.

https://www.nationalreview.com/2018/12/us-mexico-border-high-wall-would-save-immigrant-lives/

[Jimbuna]

US government partially shuts down over border wall row.

The partial closure, the third of 2018, means hundreds of thousands of federal employees will have to work unpaid or be put on temporary leave.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46657393

I doubt Trump will be short of a few dollars though.

[Dowly]

And just to remind everyone: Trump said he will take the hit and not blame democrats.

[em2nought]

Seven days in and it's slowed down a bit, now at $16 million and climbing.


Maybe it's just the pitch, we need Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez to get behind the wall as a way to keep rich people from fleeing once we've gone socialist and anybody with two cents to their names has had their passports revoked. :03:
https://bluntforcetruth.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/Alexandria-Ocasio-Cortez-Socialism-Meme-491x600.jpg

[Gargamel]

Seven days in and it's slowed down a bit, now at $16 million and climbing.


Which is quite a ways from the quoted 5 billion required. It'll never get funded this way.



I'd like to think that people who have all this extra money to help fund something like this are also heavy contributors to other actually useful charities, such as cancer research.

[em2nought]

I'd like to think that people who have all this extra money to help fund something like this are also heavy contributors to other actually useful charities, such as cancer research.


I'd like to think people have the right to spend "their" money in whatever manner pleases them without some sanctimonious input from others. :up:

[Dowly]

You do understand that there is still no clear way how this money will ever be used for the walll? "Having contacts" in the White House means nothing, since it's not the WH that decides for the funding of the wall.

[August]

I'd like to think people have the right to spend "their" money in whatever manner pleases them without some sanctimonious input from others. :up:


Well said. I think they're just scared at the thought that support for Trump is still strong enough among the people that it can raise that kind of money. It doesn't fit their Pravda nor bode well for their efforts to replace him.

[Platapus]

How many times did Trump say flat-out that Mexico would pay for the wall?

Trump often says things that are not true. :03:

[Buddahaid]

I'd like to think people have the right to spend "their" money in whatever manner pleases them without some sanctimonious input from others. :up:

So 16 million and slowing. Let's make a pie chart that shows how that works toward the eight billion dollar wall Trump wants. You have a very long way to go.
https://imageshack.com/a/img924/3194/5o2gF6.png

[Mr Quatro]

Trump often says things that are not true. :03:

Love doesn't see the blemishes same thing happen when Obama was POTUS :yep:

[eddie]

You do understand that there is still no clear way how this money will ever be used for the walll? "Having contacts" in the White House means nothing, since it's not the WH that decides for the funding of the wall.


They are not getting all this money Dowly, GoFundme is going to get their's first, LMAO!!


https://i.postimg.cc/pTZMF7fy/LOL.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[eddie]

I'd like to think people have the right to spend "their" money in whatever manner pleases them without some sanctimonious input from others. :up:


Talk about sanctimonious,lol I guess everyone has to check in with the big Trumpette before they post around here now, eh!! Cold day in hell before that happens!

[Gargamel]

I'd like to think people have the right to spend "their" money in whatever manner pleases them without some sanctimonious input from others. :up:


I'm not being sanctimonious at all. Just practical. As has been recently pointed out many times, this fund raiser is no more than a dead end. This will never hit a amount raised where it will be effective. I would like to think that most contributors know this. If they do, great, but I'd also like to think they would have other charities that they donate too, what ever they may be, ones that might have a chance at making a difference in the world.

[Cybermat47]

I'd like to think people have the right to spend "their" money in whatever manner pleases them without some sanctimonious input from others. :up:

No-one has the right to be free from criticism.

I'm not being sanctimonious at all. Just practical. As has been recently pointed out many times, this fund raiser is no more than a dead end.

I’d actually disagree with that. It’s a demonstration of how much support there is for a border wall. If it gets enough money, then that shows a lot of support, and Congress will be fools not to take that into consideration. When it comes to Democracy, the people’s voices need to be heard.

I believe that supporters will be getting refunds if 1 billion dollars isn’t reached, IIRC.

[Gargamel]

I’d actually disagree with that. It’s a demonstration of how much support there is for a border wall. If it gets enough money, then that shows a lot of support, and Congress will be fools not to take that into consideration. When it comes to Democracy, the people’s voices need to be heard.


That's an Oligarchy, not a democracy. When a select few can spend untold amounts of money to influence government, then it's no longer a democracy.



In a true democracy, each person has one vote, and their vote should be counted equally, without weight or bias applied to it.


This is what I am most scared of here. Not the wall. But the precedent this fund raiser is setting. If enough money can be raised by a small group of individuals to influence the government, then it will just open the door for similar influences later on. Whether you are opposed to the wall or not, you should be opposed to buying government policy.

[August]

his is what I am most scared of here. Not the wall. But the precedent this fund raiser is setting. If enough money can be raised by a small group of individuals to influence the government, then it will just open the door for similar influences later on. Whether you are opposed to the wall or not, you should be opposed to buying government policy.


Where did you get the idea that it is a small group? The target donation is $80 bucks and a quick check shows there are about a quarter of a million donors so far. No fat cats like Soros or Koch pumping billions into their pet social causes, just regular people who believe enough in the idea of a border wall to be willing to put up a little of their own money to fund it and maybe shame our congress into doing their job. So why shouldn't this have an influence on our elected representatives as an indication of the mood of at least some of the people who they're supposed to represent? Do public demonstrations also scare you? Their demands are a lot more direct and in your face than a gofundme account.

[Dowly]

Where did you get the idea that it is a small group? The target donation is $80 bucks and a quick check shows there are about a quarter of a million donors so far.
Trump got ~63mil votes in 2016, ~300k of that is under .5%.

Considering that it is much easier to show one's support on GoFundMe than trying to get a day off from work to go protest, I'd say it is a very small group currently supporting funding the wall through GFM.

EDIT: Also, can foreign individuals donate money to the US Gorvernment? As far as I know, Gofundme campaigns are international.

[Cybermat47]

EDIT: Also, can foreign individuals donate money to the US Gorvernment?

I imagine that Trump would allow Mexicans to pay for the wall :O:

[Mr Quatro]

I imagine that Trump would allow Mexicans to pay for the wall :O:

The wall will pay for itself by reducing the cost to Home Land Security alone ... :yep:

https://www.bing.com/th?id=OIP.L08maztcoJogFKSP4KztfwHaEr&w=300&h=189&c=7&o=5&dpr=1.875&pid=1.7

[Dowly]

The wall will pay for itself by reducing the cost to Home Land Security alone ... :yep:
Isn't it the DHS who will fund the wall, and DHS can't take donations without Congressional approval? At least that's what I've read, I can't say I'm expert on US bureaucracy.


And again, I repeat my question from earlier post: What if there are foreign individuals contributing to the campaign? Is that legal? If it is, does it set a predecent for any foreign indiviual from country x with millions to try and steer the decisions of the US Government? How does it work? Are there limits etc.?

[em2nought]

If it is, does it set a predecent for any foreign indiviual from country x with millions to try and steer the decisions of the US Government?
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[Bleiente]

I would advise that Canada also builds such a wall on its border with the United States. :03:


:D

[Gargamel]

Where did you get the idea that it is a small group? The target donation is $80 bucks and a quick check shows there are about a quarter of a million donors so far. No fat cats like Soros or Koch pumping billions into their pet social causes, just regular people who believe enough in the idea of a border wall to be willing to put up a little of their own money to fund it and maybe shame our congress into doing their job. So why shouldn't this have an influence on our elected representatives as an indication of the mood of at least some of the people who they're supposed to represent? Do public demonstrations also scare you? Their demands are a lot more direct and in your face than a gofundme account.


Dowly pointed out most of my arguments.



But this should not shame anybody into doing their jobs. Congress needs to listen to their constituents and do their job, based on that alone. Some will be for it, some will be against it.



Yes, this is a public demonstration, in a new fashion. But this one does scare me, as there will be money used to influence our government. When we've had marches in the past, there wasn't a donation box on capital hill allowing the marchers to donate money.



Yes, there are PAC's and such, but those are governed by campaign finance laws. I'm pretty sure this falls into new territory that the laws don't cover. Particularly in regards to donation limits and foreign donations.