Dallas police Officer fatally shoots a black man in an apartment she thought was hers

[Commander Wallace]

Dallas Texas police Officer Amber Guyger, whom authorities say fatally shot a black man last week in an apartment she mistook for her own

It was revealed that Amber Guyger was on the wrong floor and wrong apartment that she said she thought was hers when she encountered Botham Jean, 26, in the South Side Flats apartment complex in Dallas around 10 p.m. local time Thursday.

Botham Jean was in his own apartment when he was murdered by officer Guyger.
Guyger is free and has not been charged while the Texas Rangers are investigating.

Quote: Dallas police tell me the just off shift officer who shot and killed a man in his own apartment, was on the WRONG FLOOR. HER apartment was on another floor. Her key didn’t work in the door. Shooting happened shortly after resident opened his own door.

Thursday’s shooting occurred after Guyger was returning home in uniform from a 12-hour shift, according to police. Guyger allegedly entered an apartment she thought was hers, and killed a man she didn’t recognize, Dallas’ FOX 4 reported (https://www.fox4news.com/news/chief-brown-texas-rangers-request-hold-on-warrant-for-off-duty-dpd-officer). Afterward, she called 911, police said.

Responding officers found Jean badly wounded. He was transferred to a hospital and died later that evening.
Jean was a businessman born in St. Lucia, a Caribbean island nation where he and his family held positions in government. He had recently graduated from Harding University in Arkansas and had been working in Dallas since 2016.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/09/09/amber-guyger-police-officer-named-in-dallas-fatal-shooting-shot-suspect-in-2017-report.html

Quote: The Texas Rangers have postponed seeking a warrant on manslaughter charges against an officer who shot and killed a man in Dallas, police said Saturday. Police also identified the officer as Amber Guyger, a four-year veteran of the department assigned to the Southeast Patrol Division. The decision comes one day after Dallas Police Chief Ulysha Renee Hall said police were pursing a manslaughter warrant against the officer in a case she described as having "more questions than answers."

https://www.cnn.com/2018/09/08/us/dallas-police-shooting/index.html

I think there is more to this story and I don't believe this officer thought the apartment of Botham Jean was hers. If this was anyone else but a police officer, they would be in custody right now.

[Mr Quatro]

Good grief! :o

If I was a black man living in Texas I would move :yep:

[Platapus]

If a common subject were to enter someone else's apartment and shoot them, would the police allow them to go home? Most likely not.

People are getting tired of the double standard, especially when it comes to killing people.

I know that all I expect is simple personal accountability for poor decisions.

I wonder how long will it take for this police office to claim that the apartment resident "aggressively" opened his door and that the police officer was "in fear of her life"?

That seems to be the get out of jail card of choice.

[Jimbuna]

Good grief!! :o

[Eichhörnchen]

Bugger!!

[Cybermat47]

... Christ.

The fact that he’s dead makes me think that the officer might have had a shoot first mentality. Not exactly what you want in a Policeman.

[Sean C]

Amber Guyger, whom authorities say fatally shot a black man last week...


Hall said the officer, who is white, shot the black man after mistakenly entering his apartment...


Why does the media feel the need to mention race in this situation? What purpose does it serve? Is it really relevant to what happened?


Frankly, it seems silly to me. They might as well write something like: "The officer, who is left-handed, shot the bilingual man after mistakenly entering his apartment..."


I think there is a reason they're doing it, though. Just not a good one. :nope:

[GoldenRivet]

not making excuses

but i’m sure, after a 12 hour shift, her fatigued mental state played a role in eroding her situational awareness and decision making.

i agree she should be jailed in the very least for manslaughter perhaps.

unfortunate situation

i know i have certainly got off on the wrong floor and walked “on autopilot” to a hotel room or apartment that i thought was my own. more than once in my lifetime.

it’s possible this is exactly what happened to her. she fumbled with her keys assuming she inserted the wrong key in the door, suddenly it opens and there’s a strange man in your home... i’m almost always armed, but i would not have drawn a firearm on the guy straight away.

EDIT:

i love how the media plays the race card here. and in many similar reports. the race of the officer and the victim are irrelevant.

blacks shoot blacks more than anyone else shoots them... yet you never hear “black man shoots unarmed black man.” instead you hear “one shot in tragic drive by shooting in low income neighborhood”

[GoldenRivet]

the officer has been arrested and charged with manslaughter

[Jimbuna]

the officer has been arrested and charged with manslaughter

Sounds about right to me :yep:

[Platapus]

the officer has been arrested and charged with manslaughter

It was reported that there might be more charges forthcoming

[Platapus]

Why does the media feel the need to mention race in this situation? What purpose does it serve? Is it really relevant to what happened?


Frankly, it seems silly to me. They might as well write something like: "The officer, who is left-handed, shot the bilingual man after mistakenly entering his apartment..."


I think there is a reason they're doing it, though. Just not a good one. :nope:

When the police start shooting people because they are bilingual, I am sure the press will start reporting that.

Besides, when a Black person commits a crime and the press does not report the race, the press is accused of covering such things up.

[Onkel Neal]

i know i have certainly got off on the wrong floor and walked “on autopilot” to a hotel room or apartment that i thought was my own. more than once in my lifetime.

it’s possible this is exactly what happened to her. she fumbled with her keys assuming she inserted the wrong key in the door, suddenly it opens and there’s a strange man in your home... i’m almost always armed, but i would not have drawn a firearm on the guy straight away.



Me either, and I think that's simply because we are men and we're not prone to instant fear of physical conflict the way most women are. I open the door and there's a strange dude standing there, I might freak out but I don't think my first reaction would be to put two in the heart without a moment's hesitation. I think I would say Hey man, who are you? What are you doing here?

I think there is something else here going on, this whole set up sounds fishy.

[vienna]

It used to be a very common practice, almost a journalistic standard, to include the race of a person in the course of a news report; this was most common in print news, e.g., daily newspapers and wasn't really even considered unusual at all. I recall, growing up in San Francisco, how you could read about some incident and the papers would print something like "Mr. Bob Jones, Colored, was involved in an automobile accident yesterday." or "Miss Jane Wong, Oriental, had her purse snatched." Interestingly, given that SF had very large populations of Irish and Italians, I don't recall news reports of persons of those races or nationalities having their race/nationality specified or, at most, they would be lumped under the specification, "White", along with other subcategories not Asian, African_American, etc. The specification of race or ethnicity as a matter of course faded out in the early 60s as the Civil Rights movement grew in the US. I do recall one situation involving an observation by an African-American friend of mine: when the news stopped the racial specifications, he was pleased since he said if a 'Bob Jones' was in the news, it would be neutral and not possibly reflect badly on his race as whole; he then began to fume over the Black Liberationists who adopted African names instead of their birth names; as my friend said at the time "You might not know if 'Bob Jones' is Black or White, but you sure as hell have a good idea what race "M'Butu Kawami" might be..."...

BTW, some of the detail in news reportage may seem odd to some people, like the need to put a persons age in a report where it isn't relevant or giving a person's full name, middle name included; it used to seem odd to me, but several decades ago, I raised the question with an acquaintance who was a news reporter and he told me a lot of that detail is CYA by the news organizations. If they report a crime or otherwise potentially embarrassing occurrence, particularly if there is even the most remote possibility of mistaken identity, the more specific the report is the less chance some poor soul with the same name will be painted with the same brush as the suspect/offender and the lees chance the news organization will face suits for defamation, libel, etc. ...














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[August]

I think there is something else here going on, this whole set up sounds fishy.


I agree.

[Mr Quatro]

Some more facts have recently been revealed ...

She just got off a 15hr shift, she parked on the fourth level of the apartment parking area, she lived on the 3rd level and went to what she thought was her apartment (even though it had a red welcome mat outside the door) put her key in the lock and the door opened, she thought the man was a burglar in her apartment and shot him twice, after she shot him she realized what she did wrong.

I think she'll get a year at the most :yep:

[Reece]

One has to ask, did the key just slot in or did it open the door?:hmmm:

[GoldenRivet]

One has to ask, did the key just slot in or did it open the door?:hmmm:

from what i read and heard, she tried a key, it didnt work, assumed she had the wrong one, tried another, and at this point the man opened the door wondering what was going on.

she panicked, slapped leather and blew him away

word on the street is, even though news reports indicated she didnt know the man and had no previous dealings with him, there are numerous pictures of the two together in social situations standing right next to each other.

[GoldenRivet]

I think she'll get a year at the most :yep:

probably criminally negligent manslaughter with a firearm which carries a minimum sentence of four years according to a quick google search

[Aktungbby]

One has to ask, did the key just slot in or did it open the door?:hmmm:Her key didn’t work in the door. Shooting happened shortly after resident opened his own door.
I think there is something else here going on, this whole set up sounds fishy. WELL I CERTAINLY THINK HER MANDINGO FANTASIES ARE AT AN END; HER KEY IN A COMMON APARTMENT COMPLEX PROBABLY FIT THE LOCK AND THE RIGHTFUL TENANT/VICTIM HEARD THE LOCK BEING KEYED AND OPENED THE DOOR OR IT'S POSSIBLE IT WASN'T LOCKED TO BEGIN WITH... AND THE FATIGUED OFFICER DID A TOTAL BRAINFART WITH HER WEAPON. NOT UNLIKE OFFICER MEHSERLE B.A.R.T GRABBING HIS PISTOL INSTEAD OF HIS TASER IN THE FAMOUS CASE LATER MADE INTO A MOVIEhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/1/1f/Police_handcuffing_Oscar_Grant.png AS IN HIS 2010 CASE I SEE IT :guilty of involuntary manslaughter, and not guilty of charges for second-degree murder or voluntary manslaughter charges. The jury found Mehserle guilty of a gun enhancement charge that could have added up to ten years to his prison sentence, made him ineligible for probation, and required him to serve 85 percent of his sentence, in contrast to the 50 percent that most state prisoners serve. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Oscar_Grant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Oscar_Grant) THE DALLAS POLICE CHIEF IS A VERY CAPABLE AFRICAN AMERICAN LADY, SO I'VE NO DOUBT THE MATTER -ALREADY GIVEN TO THE OUTSIDE AGENCY TEXAS RANGERS TO PREVENT ANY APPEARANCE OF INHOUSE BIAS- WILL GO TOWARD AN UNBIASED CONCLUSION:http://www.dallaspolice.net/about/PublishingImages/s/biography/ureneehall_feature_bio.jpegU. Reneé Hall http://www.dallaspolice.net/abouts/biography (http://www.dallaspolice.net/abouts/biography) @ GOLDEN RIVET:Many states do make the distinction between voluntary and involuntary manslaughter, but Texas manslaughter law combines the two into a single a charge with enhanced penalties under certain circumstances, Manslaughter in Texas is a second degree felony. This charge will typically carry a sentence of between two and twenty years in a state prison and/or a fine of no more than $10,000. When a person is killed as the result of negligence or recklessness, manslaughter charges can be filed (http://www.sharpcriminalattorney.com/practice-areas/manslaughter/). The result can be imprisonment and fines for the person accused of the crime. Manslaughter charges are distinct from murder charges, although they are still very serious. The main distinction between manslaughter charges and murder charges (http://www.sharpcriminalattorney.com/murder/2877/manslaughter-vs-homicide-whats-the-difference/) is the issue of intent. When a person intentionally kills another person, they can be charged with murder. However, if an accident or reckless actions result in a death, manslaughter charges can be filed. IN THE OFFICERS CASE: (d) At the punishment stage of a trial, the defendant may raise the issue as to whether he caused the death under the immediate influence of sudden passion arising from an adequate cause. (IE MISTAKENLY THINKING AN INTRUDER IN HER APARTMENT)  If the defendant proves the issue in the affirmative by a preponderance of the evidence, the offense is a felony of the second degree. . HOWEVER MISTAKEN HER REASONING WRONG-APARTMENTWISE CLEARLY THE OFFICER, A TRAINED PERSON WITH A HIGHER PROFESSIONAL STANDARD 'INTENDED' TO KILL THE VICTIM. THIS IS NOT MANSLAUGHTER(RECKLESS) UNDER TEXAS LAW I'M SEEIN' MURDER REDUCED TO SECOND DEGREE WITH 10+ YEARS AND A FIREARM ENHANCEMENT TO THE PENALTY....:yep: THE CASE STILL PENDING TO FOLLOW HERE: https://nypost.com/2018/07/23/family-of-bride-to-be-killed-by-officer-sues-for-50m/ (https://nypost.com/2018/07/23/family-of-bride-to-be-killed-by-officer-sues-for-50m/)