Young Speulunkers lost in Cave

[Gargamel]

And now they've been found! I've been lightly following this story as it seemed destined for tragedy. But now the 12 Kids, from ages 11 to 16, and their adult soccer coach have been found alive in the cave by Divers. They've been in there for 10 days without food, and were trapped by rising waters from the monsoons. The cave flooded and is only accessible by divers.



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44688909


For anybody that asks, giving the kids SCUBA tanks and having them follow a diver is really not an option. The environment is one of the hardest you can be in as a Diver, and if one of them starts to panic, which I can almost guarantee will happen, then the kid and the rescue diver will probably die, and end up blocking access till their bodies are removed.

[Reece]

Wow, what an amazing story, I hope they all get out safely soon, they need a bit of feed first though to strengthen them up.:up:
Prayers needed.:yep:

[Jimbuna]

It was specialist divers from the UK that found them but unfortunately they could be in the caves for four months yet waiting for the flooding to recede unless they learn to dive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44692813

[Chad]

4 months in a cramped, damp, dark place? I know several people on this forum who would enjoy something like that.

Kidding aside, glad they're all safe! I bet the coach will need something strong after they get out :Kaleun_Cheers:

[Bilge_Rat]

For anybody that asks, giving the kids SCUBA tanks and having them follow a diver is really not an option. The environment is one of the hardest you can be in as a Diver, and if one of them starts to panic, which I can almost guarantee will happen, then the kid and the rescue diver will probably die, and end up blocking access till their bodies are removed.

Agreed. I am a certified diver, although I have not dived in years. Cave diving is one of the most dangerous form of diving. Expecting these kids to do it without losing one or all is nuts.

[em2nought]

I wonder how far below ground they are? From what I've seen on you tube, two Asians with sharp sticks can dig just about anything anyone could ask for. :hmmm:


It seems to me you don't have to bore a rescue shaft, just a drain shaft from a lower elevation, and a safe distance from the boys, to get the water out.


Where is Tony Stark when you need him to build a boy size underwater transport pod for divers to guide in and out of a cave pronto?

[Reece]

One wonders where they are getting the air to breathe, and how far would they have to travel under water, 50 feet, a thousand feet??:hmmm:

[Gargamel]

I wonder how far below ground they are? From what I've seen on you tube, two Asians with sharp sticks can dig just about anything anyone could ask for. :hmmm:


It seems to me you don't have to bore a rescue shaft, just a drain shaft from a lower elevation, and a safe distance from the boys, to get the water out.


Where is Tony Stark when you need him to build a boy size underwater transport pod for divers to guide in and out of a cave pronto?


They seam to be about 1km down, but under a steep mountain. Getting a rescue shaft down there probably isn't an option, as I don't think they can get any equipment above them. And coming in from the side probably won't work as it too would flood.



And it turns out, none of the kids can swim. So if they attempt the diving route, they first have to learn to swim, then to be comfortable enough with the gear to not panic. But that takes years of training.



I did my open water diving certs in sinkholes in florida, and that was pretty much a cave environment. I was very hesitant to venture into the openings of the caves, as there isn't a "blow the tanks" emergency surface option. not that that is even really a good idea to start with.



They may be stuck there for 4-5 months until the water receeds. They are currently trying to run power and comm lines to them.

[Gargamel]

One wonders where they are getting the air to breathe, and how far would they have to travel under water, 50 feet, a thousand feet??:hmmm:


About a kilometer or two, through narrow, twisty passages that are giving even the experienced cave divers trouble.

[Bilge_Rat]

saw a report this a.m. that in some spots the cave is so narrow the divers have to remove their scuba tank to squeeze through. Also cave diving is not like the ocean, there is no light, except from flashlights and with the ambiant dirt, visibility will be close to nil. Not something an amateur should be doing.

[Platapus]

Anyone remember the 1951 movie Ace in the Hole, also known as The Big Carnival?

[Jimbuna]

Anyone remember the 1951 movie Ace in the Hole, also known as The Big Carnival?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xPuLe9Gxy4

[Aktungbby]

THE PROBLEM: https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/146FC/production/_102380738_thai_cave_detailed_mapv2_976-nc.pnghttps://www.wsj.com/articles/crews-race-to-drain-cave-where-youth-soccer-team-is-trapped-1530725200 (https://www.wsj.com/articles/crews-race-to-drain-cave-where-youth-soccer-team-is-trapped-1530725200) PARTS ARE VERY NARROW TO TURN TO ASSIST A YOUNG DIVER IN PANIC MODEhttps://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/B3-BA244_backgr_16U_20180704172828.jpgAnother possibility is to find a way to drill through the surface above or search for an alternative route into the miles-long cave system. Mr. Rasmussen said the boys have claimed to hear noises like dogs barking and roosters crowing. Although they haven’t been confirmed by divers, the reports have led Thai authorities to redouble efforts to locate possible holes to the surface through which the children could be rescued, he said.

[em2nought]

I see the problem with draining being that to visualize the trip it would help to think of twenty swimming pools in a row each connected at a different height with a tube you can swim or crawl thru depending on the water level. Some of the pools are full, some of the tubes are full. Some you crawl thru, some you swim thru. Just because you drain some of the pools closer to the pumps doesn't mean that you can also drain the other pools. Some of the tubes you have to push your scuba tank ahead of you to squeeze thru. :o Oh, and fill the whole thing with chocolate milk instead of water. :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

the problem just got worse; a Thai Seal has drowned
after delivering oxygen to the trapped kids.

[Reece]

If they can hear roosters crowing and dogs barking then there has to a way to dig through the top, I would give priority to locating their position from above.:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

the problem just got worse; a Thai Seal has drowned
after delivering oxygen to the trapped kids.

I predicted/feared that might happen whilst talking to the wife last night :nope:

Now add to the dilemna, oxygen levels in the chamber have dropped to 15%, the usual level being 21% plus the fact heavy monsoon rains are expected on Sunday, threatening further flooding and the scenario is changing at an alarming pace.

A decision on what to do next is imminent I suspect.

[mapuc]

Yesterday a Danish volunteer said to Danish TV.

"The kids have said they heard sounds of other children playing outside and other sounds.

This could mean there may be an another entrance, we have to find it"

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Twelve Thai boys trapped in a cave have exchanged emotional letters with their parents, for the first time since their ordeal began two weeks ago.

"Don't worry, we are all strong," one child said in a note. "Teacher, don't give us lots of homework!" he joked.

The football coach who took the boys into the cave apologised to parents, but they wrote he was not to blame.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44748924

Bless em all :sunny:

[magic452]

It looks like the rescue effort has begun.
Hopefully all goes well.


http://www.foxnews.com/world/2018/07/08/cave-rescue-effort-underway-in-thailand-may-take-days-officials-say.html


Magic

[Aktungbby]

MY UNDERSTANDING IS: THERE ARE TWO DIVERS PER CHILD INSTEAD OF THREE; SO FEWER MOVING PARTS AND BETTER EFFICIENCY....

[Jimbuna]

Wearing full-face masks, which are easier for novice divers than traditional respirators, each boy will be accompanied by two divers who will also carry their air supply.

https://i.imgur.com/RD1NyUQ.png

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44755452

I should imagine the adult will be the last to leave if the decision is his to make.

Bring em home https://i.imgur.com/HhErIkz.gif

[Jimbuna]

It has just been reported that at least two of the boys have been successfully rescued :yeah:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44757804

[Aktungbby]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44755452

I should imagine the adult will be the last to leave if the decision is his to make.

Bring em home https://i.imgur.com/HhErIkz.gif BY ALL ACCOUNTS HE IS A TRUE LEADER, KEPT THOSE KIDS FROM DROWNING , AND THE CAPTAIN ALWAYS LEAVES LAST!
:Kaleun_Salute: KUDOS TO THE BRITS: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44690688 (https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-44690688) :Kaleun_Applaud: The first voice 12 young Thai footballers and their coach heard after nine days trapped in caves was that of Briton John Volanthen. "How many of you?" he asked. "Thirteen? Brilliant."
It meant that, finally, they had been found.
Mr Volanthen and Richard Stanton MBE (FOR PREVIOUS CAVE RESCUES) were in the cave after being called in by Thai authorities along with another British caving expert, Robert Harper.https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/news/624/cpsprodpb/5A0A/production/_102305032_51bdf46c-2e2e-432f-b31e-32473b70f36d.jpg MR STANTON MBE IS PROVING 'WORTHY OF HIS SPURS' PERHAPS HE'LL BE ELEVATED TO A HIGHER RANK OF THE ORDER....:shucks:

[em2nought]

It has just been reported that at least two of the boys have been successfully rescued :yeah:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-44757804

Great news! :Kaleun_Cheers:

[Jimbuna]

Four brought out safe and well but operation temporarily halted and will recommence early Monday morning.

However, the rain that had Thai authorities so worried appears to have arrived.

[mapuc]

I try to follow it on our news channel.

Secondly

This suspenseful drama will soon come to a cinema near you.

Markus

[Gargamel]

This is a bold move by the rescuers. Given the window they have, I can't exactly blame them. Even if they only get out a few before the rains return, that's a few more saved. It will lessen the resources being consumed by the remainder until the water's recede or other methods are tried.



Having spent a number of years in SAR and Emergency Services, I know that community will be watching this operation closely. So far, from the lay reports I've been reading, the rescue operation is being well run. The amount of expertise they immediately brought in is stupendous in it's scope. At the very least, the availabilty of divers qualified to make these dives is pretty rare. The SAR community will be taking a good look at this operation, hopefully to use as an example on how to run an good operation.

[em2nought]

I wonder if they're bringing out the sturdiest and least afraid boys first? That would be the way to go I think. Once they've made it the other boys might become more confident, and if not then at least the oxygen needed in the cave has been reduced. They should probably take an inflatable raft in with them so there will be someplace to go if the beach disappears due to rising water. Coach goes last of course, not as punishment but to keep the boys buoyed up figuratively and literally maybe. I wonder if they told the boys about the SEAL? I don't think they need to know that until they're out, but maybe going or staying should be their call?

[Gargamel]

They went the opposite route, they brought out the weakest ones first. Which makes sense, as they are under a time crunch, and the rest may be stuck there for a while.

[August]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dhl6RatUwAAz5Bi?format=jpg

[Jimbuna]

Unconfirmed reports are saying four more have been rescued.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/44755093

[mapuc]

They went the opposite route, they brought out the weakest ones first. Which makes sense, as they are under a time crunch, and the rest may be stuck there for a while.

Now I'm confused

What is correct in this story ?

On our News channel and i our online news media, they have said they toke the strongest first.

Here is bit from a Danish news paper.

From the article (translated)
according to the head of the rescue operation, they have chosen to take the strongest out first

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The UK press (tv included) are stating that all those trapped were initially examined by a doctor for the purpose of choosing the most at risk who would be priorotised for first to be rescued.

[Aktungbby]

^ CORRECT; THE SITUATION IS PERILOUS; ESPECIALLY AT A 15'' SPOT, DUBBED THE ''CHOKE POINT''; AND TAKING THE STRONGEST FIRST IE THE LEAST PROBLEMATIC ALSO GIVES THE RESCUE DIVERS MORE PRACTISE WITH THE REMAINING FIVE. NONE KNOW HOW TO SWIM, MUCHLESS S.C.U.B.A.; I CAN'T IMAGINE THE ANXIETY OF THE WAITING PARENTS AND THEIR THOUGHTS ON WHICH CHILD IS PICKED FIRST THOUGH.:k_confused:I HAVE DONE WRECK DIVES INSIDE SHIPS AND NIGHT DIVES WITH RED LIGHT TO HUNT SPINY LOBSTER ALL BELOW 100 FEET(NOT RECOMMENDED DUE TO DECOMPRESSION ISSUES) AND WOULD NEVER EVEN CONSIDER CAVE DIVING SUCH AS IN FLORIDA. IT'S TOO DANGEROUS IMHO.

[Platapus]

I wonder how/why they first went past that choke point. That would be the place where I would have said "That's far enough, lets turn around".

[u crank]

I wonder how/why they first went past that choke point. That would be the place where I would have said "That's far enough, lets turn around".

I believe it was because of the rising water that they went as far as they did.

[August]

I wonder how/why they first went past that choke point. That would be the place where I would have said "That's far enough, lets turn around".


I wonder that too. Maybe they came in by another route that is now much more flooded than the one they are using to rescue them?

[em2nought]

I think it was said somewhere that it was a you're on the "team" now type of initiation thing, and there was hardly any water in the cave when they went in. Can't be looked at thru a pussified western point of view, our fake media would be calling for the coach to be locked up, and lawyers would be lined up outside the cave waiting. :03:

I also think Pattaya Beach was their original destination, and they pushed further because of the rising water. I also think I read that there is a certain place where the team all write their names on the cave wall.

[Jimbuna]

As of ten minutes ago it is being reported that a tenth person has been recued.

Live link: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/44755093

[Skybird]

I wonder where the word "speulunkers" in the thread title is coming from. Sounds like a German origin, but in German, a "Spelunke" is a dubious bar, an obscucre speak-easy in the misty quarter of the harbour where dark men with grim faces talk silent about not just legal deals and if you say the wrong word you go amiss and get found in the water later on.

[Reece]

Stop Skybird, you're scaring me! :oops:

[Skybird]

Not my intention. :) But that is what "Spelunke" means in German. ;)

[Dmitry Markov]

All kids are safe !!! Best story today IMHO.

[Commander Wallace]

All kids are safe !!! Best story today IMHO.


Новость здесь, в U.S, заключается в том, что еще один ребенок должен быть спасен. Надеюсь, он скоро выйдет, если его еще нет. Я предполагаю, что, возможно, у наших новостных СМИ неверно, что один человек еще должен быть спасен. Сохранение хороших мыслей Novost' zdes', v U.S, zaklyuchayetsya v tom, chto yeshche odin rebenok dolzhen byt' spasen. Nadeyus', on skoro vyydet, yesli yego yeshche net. YA predpolagayu, chto, vozmozhno, u nashikh novostnykh SMI neverno, chto odin chelovek yeshche dolzhen byt' spasen.
Sokhraneniye khoroshikh mysley


English Translation : The news over here in the U.S is that one kid is still to be rescued. Hopefully, he will be out soon if he isn't already.

I'm assuming maybe our news media has it wrong that one person is yet to be rescued.

Keeping good thoughts

[Catfish]

Yes, seems they rescued all.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/10/thailand-cave-rescue-team-begin-operation-to-free-last-of-trapped-boys

Very good :up:

@Skybird probably from speleologist, or Speläologe, in german :03:

[Reece]

Excellent news!!:up:

[Skybird]

What goes in, must come out. :D


Four divers are still in the caves.

[Skybird]

@Skybird probably from speleologist, or Speläologe, in german :03:
Ah, never heard of that.


What has a honkytonk (Spelunke) to do with cave-exploration (spelunker, speleologist), however...

[Catfish]

A cave or a grotto is a "spilia", in greek language. So a 'Spelunke' may relate to a dark cave, grotto etc. [->blah.] [/Klugscheissermodus]

[em2nought]

Yes, seems they rescued all.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/jul/10/thailand-cave-rescue-team-begin-operation-to-free-last-of-trapped-boys

Very good :up:


Great! :Kaleun_Cheers:

[Jimbuna]

Four divers are still in the caves.

Yes, the doctor and the three divers that stayed with those trapped ever since they were discovered.

Hopefully there will be no sting in the tail and the delay is simply down to them tidying the area up before returning themselves.

[Aktungbby]

EVERYONE'S OUT!:Kaleun_Applaud: “12 Wild Boars and coach out of the cave. Safe everyone. Hooyah!” the Thai navy SEALs wrote on Facebook (https://www.facebook.com/ThaiSEAL/) after the team was rescued. “We are not sure if this is a miracle, a science, or what,” they added. https://nypost.com/2018/07/10/all-13-people-rescued-from-flooded-thai-cave/ (https://nypost.com/2018/07/10/all-13-people-rescued-from-flooded-thai-cave/)

[Commander Wallace]

EVERYONE'S OUT!:Kaleun_Applaud: https://nypost.com/2018/07/10/all-13-people-rescued-from-flooded-thai-cave/ (https://nypost.com/2018/07/10/all-13-people-rescued-from-flooded-thai-cave/)




I would say it's a miracle but science, tenacity and other things were in play as well. This is great news. :Kaleun_Applaud:


Well done to everyone involved who refused to give up and condolences to the retired Thai navy SEAL who gave his life to help save the lives of 12 young soccer players and their coach from a flooded cave

[Jimbuna]

Well done to everyone involved who refused to give up and condolences to the retired Thai navy SEAL who gave his life to help save the lives of 12 young soccer players and their coach from a flooded cave

The guy is being hailed as a hero not only in Thailand but in most other parts of the world I reckon and rightly so.

He is to be given a funeral with full military honours and the King of Thailand is going to meet the cost :cool:

[u crank]

Glad they are all out safe.

R.I.P. Sgt. Major Saman Gunan.

[em2nought]

The guy is being hailed as a hero not only in Thailand but in most other parts of the world I reckon and rightly so.

He is to be given a funeral with full military honours and the King of Thailand is going to meet the cost :cool:

Being the wealthiest royal in the world at $30 billion, He can afford it. :03:

R.I.P. Sgt. Major Saman Gunan. :salute:

[Reece]

I would say it's a miracle

Well done to everyone involved who refused to give up and condolences to the retired Thai navy SEAL who gave his life to help save the lives of 12 young soccer players and their coach from a flooded cave

Yes many prayers went up and answered!:yep:

[August]

A cave or a grotto is a "spilia", in greek language. So a 'Spelunke' may relate to a dark cave, grotto etc. [->blah.] [/Klugscheissermodus]




Word Origin

C20: from Latin spēlunca, from Greek spēlunx a cave.


http://www.dictionary.com/browse/spelunker

[Gargamel]

Hmph.... thought I had that spelled right. Guess auto spell check doesn't work for me in thread titles.

[Commander Wallace]

The guy is being hailed as a hero not only in Thailand but in most other parts of the world I reckon and rightly so.

He is to be given a funeral with full military honours and the King of Thailand is going to meet the cost :cool:

How fitting. :yep: Indeed, The Seal should be honored as well as the others who also risked their lives and fortunately, survived. They are all hero's.


Yes many prayers went up and answered!:yep:


I remember Quecreek mining Disaster where 9 miners were trapped underground for 77 hours while frantic efforts were made to pump the water out and raise the miners to the surface. Many prayers were answered that day too. :yep:

Quote:

Issues during drilling operation

A "super drill", capable of drilling a 30-inch (760 mm) hole, had been sent with police escort up from West Virginia. Once oxygen purging began, drillers had begun the 30-inch Rescue Hole No. 1 at 6:45 p.m., Thursday, July 25, to intersect 1-Left section. It was located approximately 20 feet (6.1 m) away from the 6.5-inch (170 mm) ventilation hole, and was drilled to a 105-foot (32 m) depth by 1:12 a.m., Friday, July 26, when the drill bit broke.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quecreek_Mine_rescue

[Miketney]

Finally, they were all rescued. Such a miracle!

[August]

I heard they gave each of the boys extra blankets when they got them out of the cave because, you know, you got to Pad Thai real well.

[Jimbuna]

More details are beginning to emerge now that the operation has been concluded successfully and one detail is the fact each boy was heavily sedated and strapped to a kind of stretcher which answers my curiosity as to why none of them panicked whilst being brought out of the cave system.