Women are better drivers than men [Archive]

Sailor Steve

03-31-18, 04:42 PM

How is a woman driver coming at me the wrong way round a roundabout anything to do with me not paying attention? And how are women suddenly pulling out of sidestreets and parking places right across my path anything to do with me not paying attention?
That's why I asked. People going the wrong way on a roundabout (I hate those things anyway) I can't do anything about. On the other hand, I had a friend a few years back who called me on his phone while driving. All of a sudden he yelled and swore then said something about the woman who had pulled out right in front of him. I didn't say anything at the time, but I had to wonder if her pulling out had really been that sudden.

I was in an accident thirteen years ago when something caught my eye off to the side of the highway. I probably only glanced for a second or two, but when I looked back the traffic was stopped right in front of me. My car was totaled and I was lucky to only have some bruised ribs plus some skin torn off my forearms (I hate airbags too). Entirely my fault, but it only takes one second.

And are aggressive female tailgaters there also because I'm not paying attention?
I encounter lots of tailgaters of both persuasions. The number I think are actually being aggressive are fairly few. Most of them just find it easier to pull right behind somebody, not because they want to go faster but because it's easier to not think about what you're doing when the other car is that close. Just pull up and zone out.

It's not that I doubt your word, but it's been my experience that most people think they're better drivers than they actually are. Me, I know exactly how bad I am. On the other hand the LE and Insurance statistics say what they say for a reason.

Aktungbby

03-31-18, 04:43 PM

^ Yankee left-side driving 101:roundabouts (like women) are "not for the faint of heart"...:O: Horror stories about driving overseas are fun to tell, but driving in the British Isles is really only a problem for those who make it one. The most dangerous creature on the road is the panicked tourist. Drive defensively, observe, fit in, avoid big-city driving when you can, and wear your seat belt.Having driven in Ireland, Scotland and England (not London-too dangerous for Yanks) and roundabouts in an eighteen-wheeler in New Jersey...:ping: :ping: :ping: :timeout:

Buddahaid

03-31-18, 06:19 PM

Rounabouts are just now getting installed occasionally so people here are inexperienced with them, and judging by how many already do not understand, or comply with, yield signs and right of way rules it's not surprising. There is also a lot more just brazen lawlessness, people who just must be in the overtaking lane but don't overtake, people that are lost and do their thinking in the middle of the road, people who don't pay attention at traffic lights, people who run red lights, people who clog intersections, well just people being people but at speeds fast enough to kill.

Eichhörnchen

03-31-18, 06:58 PM

That surprises me what you say about roundabouts, I assumed you used them of old. They are fraught with problems, not least because they are not all the same; some have multiple approach lanes/exits and when these ones are in the middle of a big city with the arrows on the roads indicating your direction of travel obscured by other vehicles... well... mistakes are often made. I make them, so I don't profess to be the ideal road user, but I am a careful one

Sean C

03-31-18, 11:10 PM

My motorcycle used to be my only mode of transportation. I rode it nearly every day for years - rain or shine ... or even snow! Being so vulnerable and easily overlooked on the road tends to make one more attentive to what other drivers are doing - and planning to do. I don't do other things while I'm driving. I look around and check my mirrors often, and ninety-nine times out of one hundred I can tell you what another driver is going to do. Anticipating that and staying out of harm's way has kept me out of many bad situations.

In summary: everyone on the road is a bad driver ... except me. :D

Seriously though, it does help to think as though everyone else is trying to hit you and drive accordingly. It's called "defensive driving", and it can save your life. That's how I survived all those years on the bike - because it really did seem like everyone was out to kill me.

Eichhörnchen

04-01-18, 02:29 AM

^Good and proper advice.

We have a road-safety slogan in the UK aimed at protecting motorcyclists... THINK ONCE, THINK TWICE, THINK BIKE... although it must also include awareness of cyclists. Emerging from side roads is a time to be especially aware (not an issue at all for that driver I encountered yesterday, but she was probably thinking about more important things).

Jimbuna

04-01-18, 08:12 AM

^ Not much can be done other than driving defensively but you could consider following my example and purchasing a dash cam which if nothing else, will help in any future insurance claims.

I do miss not having the 'blues and twos' these days though.

u crank

04-01-18, 02:05 PM

In summary: everyone on the road is a bad driver ... except me. :D

You have no idea how many times I have told my wife that. She doesn't seem to believe me. :O:

Commander Wallace

04-02-18, 07:26 AM

.... oh no they bloody aren't: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2541089&postcount=7870

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/road-and-rail-transport/11605509/Women-are-after-all-better-drivers-than-men.html

At 09:55 this morning I was driving along Lighton Avenue in Kirton and a woman driver pulled out of Sentance Crescent right in front of me, forcing me to step on the brake... she neither slowed down nor looked as she came out.

I've been in an almost-wreck on so many occassions because of women driving like this, so I'd like to keep a diary here of future experiences just as a counter to the kind of claptrap above which we're now having pushed at us.

Maybe it's just the law of averages catching up with you. The more you drive, the greater the chance you will encounter bad drivers. I'm sure you drive a lot, Eichornchen , with your art shows and other activities. We have all had our bad experiences with bad drivers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx2dnajTG_k

This is a video of a state Trooper who was unfortunately injured by a careless driver in Utah. I saw on the news where another driver who was texting almost hit a state trooper, head on, but the video isn't available at this time as it just happened a few days ago.

Sailor Steve

04-02-18, 01:39 PM

The more you drive, the greater the chance you will encounter bad drivers.
Utahans like to talk about "typical" and "bad" Utah drivers. Whenever that topic comes up my first response is always "Never forget, you are one". When they start to get offended I mention the half-million cars on the road every day, and that if only 0.001% make a stupid mistake on a given day that's still 500 stupid mistakes being witnessed by several people who then comment "Stupid Utah drivers!" If you only have to make such mistake once in your life there are still going to be several people making derogatory comments.

So yes, no matter who or where you are there is going to be someone commenting on terrible drivers and using you as an example. By that standard, you are a bad driver, and so am I.

STEED

04-02-18, 01:45 PM

No such thing as the perfect driver, all drivers can muck up for a number of reasons.

No I don't drive. :O:

Hitman

04-02-18, 03:28 PM

Motorcycle rider here since I was 16, and also practicing "defensive driving" always. I have lost counts how many times it has saved me, knock on wood.

Regarding the thread title, I have always thought that women circulate better, but men drive better. When it comes to car control, men usually have the edge. Just think of all the couples you know and ask yourself who would be quicker on a cones slalom, or if asked to drive a difficult twisty road, the guy or the lady? I have little doubts, don't know a single case where I would say the lady is quicker (Though I know at least a lady that for sure would be quicker than me! Not than her men, though :D)

mapuc

04-02-18, 03:33 PM

I have never seen myself as a good driver I know I had my limit and those was the reason to why I haven't been driving a car since 2010.

It have nothing to do with drinking or smoke funny tobacco or illness

My problems was and still are-concentration which is a big must when you drive a car from A to B.

Markus

Eichhörnchen

04-02-18, 03:59 PM

Buddahaid

04-02-18, 04:25 PM

Maybe you've reached that age where you are invisible....

Eichhörnchen

04-02-18, 04:28 PM

:haha::haha::haha: Good answer... I like that (I think)

Commander Wallace

04-02-18, 07:38 PM

Utahans like to talk about "typical" and "bad" Utah drivers. Whenever that topic comes up my first response is always "Never forget, you are one". When they start to get offended I mention the half-million cars on the road every day, and that if only 0.001% make a stupid mistake on a given day that's still 500 stupid mistakes being witnessed by several people who then comment "Stupid Utah drivers!" If you only have to make such mistake once in your life there are still going to be several people making derogatory comments.

So yes, no matter who or where you are there is going to be someone commenting on terrible drivers and using you as an example. By that standard, you are a bad driver, and so am I.

I know you live in Utah, Steve. You may not believe this but my comment wasn't meant as an indictment of drivers in your state. It just turned out that the video that I posted was that of another terrible driver.

Jimbuna

04-03-18, 05:41 AM

I don't dare to doubt the statistics yet they fly in the face of my own personal experience, in that whenever I've been threatened or indeed nearly creamed by another vehicle being driven recklessly, there's usually been a woman at the wheel. Just saying....

Well, I'll share this with you in the spirit of transparency and honesty.....

Been in quiute a few 'white knuckle' high speed chases accompanying a female driver and thought to myself "How the hell did she pass the same advanced course as me?"

Later on you ask the question of your female colleague in private and the usual response was usually along the lines of "Now you know how I feel when you're driving"

So as I posted earlier....spin a coin.

Commander Wallace

04-03-18, 06:54 AM

Well, I'll share this with you in the spirit of transparency and honesty.....

Been in quiute a few 'white knuckle' high speed chases accompanying a female driver and thought to myself "How the hell did she pass the same advanced course as me?"

Later on you ask the question of your female colleague in private and the usual response was usually along the lines of "Now you know how I feel when you're driving"

So as I posted earlier....spin a coin.

Under those conditions,while the female driver was behind the wheel, did you ask for a blindfold and cigarette ? :haha:

Aktungbby

04-03-18, 09:42 AM

Under those conditions,while the female driver was behind the wheel, did you ask for a blindfold and cigarette ? :haha: Who needs a blindfold...or a https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-93ddba2665bf6595b7a06070f9ee1142-c....https://fm.cnbc.com/applications/cnbc.com/resources/img/editorial/2018/03/08/105052116-GettyImages-928587568.530x298.jpg?v=1520511123 (https://www.cnbc.com/2018/03/08/saudi-arabia-driving-schools-for-women.html#):arrgh!:

Sailor Steve

04-03-18, 10:59 AM

I know you live in Utah, Steve. You may not believe this but my comment wasn't meant as an indictment of drivers in your state. It just turned out that the video that I posted was that of another terrible driver.
I never said it was. I was merely picking up on what you said and adding my observations according to my own experience. I didn't even look at the video. My point was simply that people talk about others being terrible drivers and don't always look at the whole picture.

Jimbuna

04-03-18, 12:07 PM

Under those conditions,while the female driver was behind the wheel, did you ask for a blindfold and cigarette ? :haha:

I wish :o

Whoever was doing the accompanying was tasked with maintaining a running commentary on the radio regarding direction and location etc. On the odd occasion I've had chases called off because the villain is driving so dangerously they pose a clear and imminent risk to joe public.

Hitman

04-03-18, 02:46 PM

@ Hitman

Well, the thread was intended to be an ironic one: my protest against some recent and relentless propaganda which has been added to a general litany of anti-male stuff here in the UK just lately.

I don't dare to doubt the statistics yet they fly in the face of my own personal experience, in that whenever I've been threatened or indeed nearly creamed by another vehicle being driven recklessly, there's usually been a woman at the wheel. Just saying....

Statistics say women have less accidents, though I would like to see that broken down to accident per real amount of time or distance travelled. They certainly drive less hours than men in total.

What they usually do better, is they don't take as many risks as us men. Still and despite of that, they tend to get involved in accidents where they are usually right from the rules point of view, but are the usual result of men trusting too much on what the other driver (woman) would do. I know many times I had a risky situation near a woman driver was because of being fed up of her antics and trying to overtake/move away. :doh:

Commander Wallace

04-03-18, 02:59 PM

I never said it was. I was merely picking up on what you said and adding my observations according to my own experience. I didn't even look at the video. My point was simply that people talk about others being terrible drivers and don't always look at the whole picture.

It's all good Steve. I thought as much but wanted to clarify what I said. Actually, Nathaniel B made a good point with regards to motorcycles. I took a nationally rated motorcycle safety course when I decided I was going to ride a motorcycle more often. I grew up on them and was riding at 7. I wasn't sure the course had much to offer me.

I was so very wrong. I use everything that I was taught in the classroom and on the range in the safety course. I have further applied that to how I drive a car and although I think I was a good driver, I think I'm better now. I use the heightened sense of awareness from driving a motorcycle and apply that to when I'm driving my cars. I'm glad I approached the motorcycle safety course with an open mind. It also paid off with lower insurance premiums. I will be taking the advanced course at some point in the future when I have the time.

http://msf-usa.org

https://youtu.be/RU-52fqy9yQ

https://youtu.be/gRizrnXre48

The programs are all similar regardless of what state you might be in but tuition and fees may vary.

* my courses were considerable more advanced than the video above. The courses I took were meant for the motorcycle driver who had been riding for a long time.

Sailor Steve

04-03-18, 03:58 PM

I took a nationally rated motorcycle safety course when I decided I was going to ride a motorcycle more often. I grew up on them and was riding at 7.
A very good point. A riding course is always a good thing. I started riding at 16, but was prevented by increasing circumstances. When I moved from Los Angeles to Salt Lake City I was more music minded than I had been before, so my first vehicle was a van. Then I got married, and by the time I had the money for a bike my wife didn't want me to ride. She also got me to quit playing music, but that's another story.

After the divorce I started riding again, but my kids were too little so I couldn't take them riding. Then I was broke. Then I was homeless. Now I'm settled again, the current micro-van is paid off, but I've begun suffering from balance problems that seem to be related to age. Riding looks like just a fond memory. Still, I'm glad someone here is enjoying himself. More power to you.

Commander Wallace

04-03-18, 04:50 PM

A very good point. A riding course is always a good thing. I started riding at 16, but was prevented by increasing circumstances. When I moved from Los Angeles to Salt Lake City I was more music minded than I had been before, so my first vehicle was a van. Then I got married, and by the time I had the money for a bike my wife didn't want me to ride. She also got me to quit playing music, but that's another story.

After the divorce I started riding again, but my kids were too little so I couldn't take them riding. Then I was broke. Then I was homeless. Now I'm settled again, the current micro-van is paid off, but I've begun suffering from balance problems that seem to be related to age. Riding looks like just a fond memory. Still, I'm glad someone here is enjoying himself. More power to you.

Sorry to hear of your health issues and difficulties. Might that be something that can be resolved with medications ? As far as riding, it doesn't have to be fast or a big bike or expensive. Further, if one just likes riding about the neighborhood at a slow pace, that's good too. It's really about just having fun and doing it safely. There was a feature on youtube where 2 guys had a budget of $ 1000 a piece and bought bikes, helmets and jackets just to illustrate it doesn't take much money to get started.

https://youtu.be/IwePyWF36TU

I spoke with shroeder a while back and he told me that there are a number of restrictions in Germany regarding the size bike you can have relative to one's experience. I think Neal rides a motorcycle as well if I remember right. I think a lot of our members ride motorcycles as well.

Eichornchen told me I was crazy to start riding again and now that I think of it, he was probably right. :D

Sailor Steve

04-03-18, 07:43 PM

Might that be something that can be resolved with medications ?
Possibly, but at this point they don't know for sure.

As far as riding... It's worse than that. Sometimes, just standing still, I fall over. No dizziness, no lightheadedness, no blackouts. I just start to fall and seem to be unable to catch myself. Usually I'm in a hallway, and I just lean against the wall for a second. Then again a couple of months ago I fell over in the bathroom and landed on the lip of the tub. Bruised some ribs, and they said I was lucky I didn't break them. Basically, riding is not a good idea. I do still ride my bicycle, but I absolutely always wear a helmet. I'm just getting old.

Eichornchen told me I was crazy to start riding again and now that I think of it, he was probably right. :D Nah. As long as you can do it, do it. There are people who'll tell you you're crazy to ride at any age. They don't know what they're missing. I once saw a documentary about roller coasters, hosted by none other than Neil Armstrong. The first man to set foot on the moon didn't even count that in his top three list of thrills. His top three thrills were, in order, flying a jet fighter, riding a good motorcycle, and riding a good roller coaster.

Sean C

04-03-18, 08:46 PM

I took a nationally rated motorcycle safety course when I decided I was going to ride a motorcycle more often.

I also attended a safety course before getting my license. My father (who used to race motorcycles quite successfully as an amateur) insisted on it. It really is a good idea. Plus, I got to skip the riding portion of the test at the DMV due to passing the course with a grade of B or above.

Commander Wallace

04-03-18, 09:53 PM

I also attended a safety course before getting my license. My father (who used to race motorcycles quite successfully as an amateur) insisted on it. It really is a good idea. Plus, I got to skip the riding portion of the test at the DMV due to passing the course with a grade of B or above.

I raced on an amateur basis with dirt bikes but the kids I raced against were absolutely fearless and I realized I wasn't willing to push the " envelope " any more than I had already to compete against them. At that point, I stopped racing and don't regret it and have never looked back. I wasn't aware the Safety courses graded like that. Typical of testing like a car, The MSF grading criteria is based on a point system. In the case of motorcycle testing, they do 4 tests to assess your braking and swerving ability and maneuvering in tight quarters, a.k.a the dreaded box maneuver. Essentially, it's just 2 consecutive U- Turns in a confined area. 20 points and below is a passing grade. I didn't need to test at the safety clinic as I already had a license but did so anyhow to see where I was, skill wise, and was assessed 3 points out of 21. Not bad.

As for you Steve, that sounds pretty scary and I doubt that's just getting older. That sounds more like an inner ear issue or Neurological issue. If you haven't had that checked and I'm sure you have, I would get another opinion. Life is too short to go through life with limitations such as the ones you described. By the way Steve, The helmet is a great idea. I always wear a full face helmet on the motorcycle. I remember well the painful welt I had on my cheek for a week from hitting a bee at 60MPH without the full face helmet. Never again. I also wasn't aware that Neil Armstrong Rode a bike. How cool is that ?

My lady once asked me, whats the difference between a Harley motorcycle and a Hoover Vacuum cleaner ?

Answer : On a Harley, the dirtbag sits on top instead of being attached in the back as in the Hoover Vacuum cleaner.

I'm pretty sure that was a horrendous shot at me. :D

I told her our Hoover was bagless. I guess I showed her. :03:

Eichhörnchen

04-04-18, 11:41 AM

Leaving ASDA this afternoon, the car in front turned left at the roundabout without signalling. This looked promising, I thought, although causing no hazard to me so far. I had to turn left also and as I moved off in the right-hand exit lane from the roundabout (to turn right at the junction 200yds ahead) the other car had chosen the left-hand exit lane.

Just as I began to increase speed towards the junction, this other car suddenly drifted across from the other lane right in front of me... no looking behind and no turn signal.

Well I'm almost afraid to say what sex the other party was, but she is deemed to be a better driver than me.

Sailor Steve

04-04-18, 06:20 PM

Well I'm almost afraid to say what sex the other party was, but she is deemed to be a better driver than me.
No, she is not. A statistical average in not a single incident, or even a hundred such incidents. Here are compiled numbers from your own Kingdom showing how it plays out nationwide, not just in your own corner of the country.
http://www.brake.org.uk/facts-resources/1593-driver-gender

Skybird

04-04-18, 06:35 PM

Female drivers messing a traffic situation up, get more attention than male drivers doing the same. So subjective perception seems to tell that females are the worse drivers, and on more occaisons. But I am with statistics here, and statistics seem to not support this impression.

Male drivers using car driving as a form of aggressive courtship behaviour and fighting for the chicks' attention, are the bigger problem. Males of any age also are known to will greater risk-taking, in general, not just in car driving and traffic.

Many males seem to think that good driving is an exclusive male domain. Thus this territory gets bitterly defended. :D Truth seems to be however that female drivers on average are less aggressive, less conflict-ready drivers. This then gets interpreted by men as weakness, and so the male self-perception stands. :)

Buddahaid

04-04-18, 08:43 PM

They will geld us all in the end.

Eichhörnchen

04-04-18, 09:10 PM

No, she is not. A statistical average in not a single incident, or even a hundred such incidents.

I know that, of course I do. I'm just fighting this idea that these statistics are being used to promulgate in the UK: that most women drivers are essentially better than their male counterparts. I can't argue with the stastics... they are what they are... but they're being pushed at us a way that creates this polarised picture.

Anyhow... whatever the statistics say, more women drivers have tried to kill me than men :D

Jimbuna

04-05-18, 07:32 AM

Am I detecting a bit of misogyny here? :hmmm:

Eichhörnchen

04-05-18, 08:42 AM

Nope, nothing against women... just the way statistics are used to denigrate me as a male

Commander Wallace

04-05-18, 10:34 AM

Nope, nothing against women... just the way statistics are used to denigrate me as a male

Welcome to the all you can eat, smorgasbord, of character assassinations of men, in general. :D

Eichhörnchen

04-05-18, 01:10 PM

Well this thread just started out as a bit of mischief itself but I suddenly seem to be dancing on the edge of a cliff:haha:

Commander Wallace

04-05-18, 04:29 PM

Anyhow... whatever the statistics say, more women drivers have tried to kill me than men :D

Don't you mean instead that more women have tried to throw you under the bus ? :haha:

Platapus

04-06-18, 12:24 PM

In times like this, I think it will benefit all of us if we just experience the wisdom and comfort in the words of Saint George, the patron saint of curmudgeons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWPCE2tTLZQ

Eichhörnchen

04-06-18, 01:22 PM

:haha: I remember that :haha:

Catfish

04-07-18, 05:26 AM

@Eich you should know what this is:

1 2 N P D 2 D P 1 P !"§$%& 1 2 N P D P N " 1 P N D "§$%& P.

Eichhörnchen

04-07-18, 05:40 AM

My genetic code?

Catfish

04-07-18, 05:50 AM

^ no, you should know this is about women.

Catfish

04-07-18, 06:20 AM

A woman parking her automatic car.

u crank

04-07-18, 06:40 AM

A woman parking her automatic car.

:har::yep::up:

Eichhörnchen

04-07-18, 06:55 AM

I know nothing about women... only that they try to kill me

Eichhörnchen

04-11-18, 04:53 PM

This afternoon in a car park I was carefully reversing out of a bay when, instead of waiting for me, a woman came swiftly out of an exit behind and turned right across the back of my car as I was reversing.

Oh okay, I thought... mustn't grumble about women drivers... everyone makes mistakes don't they, except that it was broad daylight, I was directly ahead of her and she wasn't even on the lane onto which I was reversing (before anyone asks why I didn't stop) but entered it when it was not clear or safe to do so. She could see all this.

I was then behind her as she stopped at the car park exit onto the main road. Just as an elderly cyclist came past her on the main road (or at least that was his plan) she pulled out right in front of him, causing him to brake.

Sailor Steve

04-11-18, 06:53 PM

I was at the market this morning. Yesterday, and many times over the last three months, I've been to the hospital for various exams. Every other Thursday I go play games with my friends. For more than a year I went to rehearsals with a band three times a week.

The last time I had a woman do something I would describe as dangerous right in front of me was...I don't know...1976? That's the last one I remember anyway.

The last accident I was in was a few months ago, and it was my fault. I backed into a parked car at 0130 hours in a snowstorm. The car I hit belonged to a woman. Maybe that was her fault. :hmmm:

Platapus

04-12-18, 03:18 PM

Say what you will about women drivers, and you may have the statistics to back it up; but few things put as much fear into me as a short old man, wearing a hat, driving a big American car.:o:o

Nothing good is going to happen.

I will just pull over and wait a few hours to make sure he is not anywhere near me.

Sailor Steve

04-12-18, 03:37 PM

Buddahaid

04-12-18, 04:58 PM

Platapus

04-12-18, 05:00 PM

You forgot the death grip on the steering wheel as well.

Staring only straight ahead

Eichhörnchen

05-04-18, 02:23 AM

Yesterday afternoon... the level-crossing thing again

I was approaching the crossing in town, saw a red light up the road on the other side but there was room on the other side to allow me to cross. As I was doing so a car pulled across in front of me from the adjacent lane, with the usual "indicate and just go manouver".... luckily for me there was still room for 2 or 3 vehicles on the other side, but she couldn't have known that from her position in the other lane

August

05-04-18, 10:34 AM

Staring only straight ahead

At least their head is visible above the steering wheel.
https://assets.rbl.ms/17114547/980x.gif

Eichhörnchen

05-04-18, 10:42 AM

I was driving through Sleaford town today and an elderly woman driver pulled straight out in front of me from the kerbside with no signalling.... hard to believe, her being a woman driver and all; I was doing about 20 mph

Kptlt. Neuerburg

05-04-18, 11:21 AM

If you're worried about old folks who drive DON'T COME TO FLORIDA! No really.. don't do it! The way people drive in this state is scary as all get out and there's the worst mix of drivers possible, teenagers who just got their drivers license and the elderly who are probably shouldn't be driving any more as the reaction time is much slower the other drivers.

Eichhörnchen

05-04-18, 12:09 PM

Add to that all the women who are driving and I am not coming, for sure

Sean C

05-04-18, 12:59 PM

Virginia is okay ... if you don't ever need to merge ... or don't need to drive when it's raining/snowing/foggy/sunny ... or don't mind spending an hour waiting to get by an accident - on the other side of a divided highway ... or ...

:hmmm: On second thought ...

Eichhörnchen

05-04-18, 02:11 PM

^:har::har:

Eichhörnchen

05-11-18, 02:57 AM

A long straight country lane runs from our village to the next and you can drive quite fast along most of it. At the end it suddenly narrows, passes over a small bridge then round a very tight blind bend... which you must take at around 20mph to be safe because of idiots coming the other way who, presuming there can be nothing coming, take it in the middle of the road. The narrow bridge often does nothing to slow them down when they're travelling from this direction.

Yesterday I was returning from the other village, and as I drove carefully around the bend I hoped, as usual, that there was no idiot racing over the bridge and into the corner... But there she was... at around 40mph around the bend she came... in the middle of the road. I pounded in vain on where I hoped the horn was on this bloody steering wheel, but as usual I couldn't find it because it isn't in the middle where it ought to be.

Catfish

05-11-18, 03:11 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KiC03_wVjc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnJOC_dDXzM

Eisenwurst

05-11-18, 05:07 AM

ChrisTayeb

05-16-18, 06:39 AM

u should see me wife driving :har:

Eichhörnchen

05-16-18, 05:01 PM

:haha: I used to say to my Missus when she got a bit near the verge (or on it) "Why use the road when there's a perfectly good field?"

Eichhörnchen

05-31-18, 10:27 AM

Today I was driving along our road at about 30 mph when around a blind bend came a speeding car in the middle of the road. The driver was steering one-handed, her phone clamped to her ear with the other.

I drove onto the verge and stopped, averting a collision, and can you believe she had the bloody cheek to give me a thank you wave as she roared past.

I'm still trying to work out what I did wrong....

Aktungbby

05-31-18, 11:32 AM

THIS SETTLES THE DISCUSSION.... IMHO https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2018/may/28/danica-patricks-career-ends-with-heavy-crash-at-the-indy-500-video (https://www.theguardian.com/sport/video/2018/may/28/danica-patricks-career-ends-with-heavy-crash-at-the-indy-500-video) REALLY GLAD SHE'S OK THOUGH; IT WAS HER LAST RACE!:yeah: BUT THEN I'M A BIASED 'GO DADDY' IN MY OWN RIGHT!:O: https://wtop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/NASCAR_Daytona_500_Auto_Racing_85295-633x485.jpgI KNEW LOT OF LADY LONG-HAUL TRUCKERS, INCLUDING A MOTHER-DAUGHTER TEAM, AND THEY'RE JUST AS GOOD AS THE GUYS WHEN IT COMES TO OVER-THE-ROAD TRUCKIN'.:Kaleun_Salute:

Eichhörnchen

05-31-18, 12:13 PM

Well I'm glad this one wasn't driving a truck

Eisenwurst

05-31-18, 06:17 PM

A few years back I was doing the speed limit ( 110ks ) down the Moonee Moonee bridge ( very steep gradient ) here in NSW, when I was overtaken by a woman driving a station wagon doing at least 120ks.

She had no hands on the steering wheel, and was eating yoghurt from a tub with a spoon. This is one dangerous road and this stupid bitch could've rolled causing a major pile up, multiple deaths!!!!

Eichhörnchen

06-01-18, 02:25 AM

:haha::haha::haha: You mustn't complain. Remember... she is a better driver than you

Eisenwurst

06-01-18, 09:41 PM

http://i.imgur.com/bi9XdDp.jpg

This is the Moonee Moonee bridge on a quiet traffic day. Since it opened about 25? years ago there's been a lot of crashes on it. Many deaths and permanent crippling injuries.

Irresponsible drivers are criminally negligent.

Eichhörnchen

06-02-18, 09:47 AM

Driving to town today along a suburban road with a 30mph limit, a car pulled out ahead with no intention of giving way and waiting. Then, as I continued at 30mph, she disappeared rapidly ahead, not planning to obey the speed limit in this heavily-populated street either.

A lesson to us all in how to get ahead, which seems to be the most important goal in her driving

Jimbuna

06-02-18, 09:50 AM

Seen that countless times bu both genders. The only reliable cure being the 'blues and twos'

STEED

06-02-18, 09:51 AM

Eichhörnchen

06-02-18, 10:06 AM

Just trying to redress the balance a bit :)

Jimbuna

06-03-18, 05:34 AM

Well, I've alluded to it once and I shall again....this thread is beginning to look like a clear case of misogyny.

Eichhörnchen

06-18-18, 01:56 AM

^ Just reporting my experiences

Today I was driving along our road at about 30 mph when around a blind bend came a speeding car in the middle of the road. The driver was steering one-handed, her phone clamped to her ear with the other.

I drove onto the verge and stopped, averting a collision, and can you believe she had the bloody cheek to give me a thank you wave as she roared past.

I'm still trying to work out what I did wrong....

Yesterday someone tried to kill me on Fathers Day... same place, same high speed and bad road-positioning (ie the middle) only a different driver and no phone this time. I braked and went onto the verge, she didn't even look at me

Eichhörnchen

06-20-18, 06:18 AM

Got another long drive for the holiday break this year, so I'm hoping to do it while Wimbledon's on... when is that?

JU_88

06-20-18, 06:32 AM

Well, I've alluded to it once and I shall again....this thread is beginning to look like a clear case of misogyny.

........
Oh Come now Jim. I've not seen a real examples of a deep seated loathing or resentment towards women here, some anecdotes and crass mildly sexist jokes? yes.
It might be 'Misogyny' by the Vox/Jezable standard I suppose.
Its not like women don't get together make sexist jokes about all the dumb stuff they see men do. Nobody in there right mind is calling them misandrists for it.

The problem is expanded word definitions and different standards,
Having a low opinion of women in general would certainly make you a misogynist.... but merely criticizing a women can also be deemed as misogynistic by some peoples standards today.
So Misogyny can be anything but 'clear'

I guess here it boils down to whats subsims rules are.

Eichhörnchen

06-20-18, 07:13 AM

Thank you, buddy. As you for one have seen, I've no dislike for women; this isn't about women... just their driving

JU_88

06-20-18, 07:58 AM

Thank you, buddy. As you for one have seen, I've no dislike for women; this isn't about women... just their driving

Well - jokes aside, i will point out that they get cheaper insurance premiums for a reason. :O: Might not be 'better drivers', but they are overall statistically safer.

Eichhörnchen

06-20-18, 08:40 AM

Point taken, but statistics are for the statisticians when I'm behind the wheel: I make sure I'm extra wary when a woman driver gets anywhere near me. My wife is the kindest natured and most forgiving person I know, yet even she agrees that whenever someone's tried to kill either of us on the road it's almost always been a woman.

Like I said at the outset, this is merely a record of my own experiences

Aktungbby

06-20-18, 08:44 AM

YOU DON'T HAVE TO TELL US YOUR WIFE IS 'KIND NATURED AND MOST FORGIVING'....WE ALREADY ASSUMED AS MUCH!:O:

Eichhörnchen

06-20-18, 10:26 AM

She does need to be... I'm the first to admit it :)

Rockstar

06-20-18, 11:05 AM

Some woman are better drivers and sometimes I prefer them to take the wheel for awhile.

https://media.giphy.com/media/CmwuOsbt1MZGM/giphy.gif

Eichhörnchen

06-20-18, 12:57 PM

She's riding a little pony :)

Reece

06-20-18, 06:52 PM

Wish I was the pony!!:03:

Eichhörnchen

06-21-18, 06:22 AM

About 1 hour ago I was accelerating off from the main town roundabout in the left-hand lane when a driver in the lane to my right suddenly decided she needed to be in the left-hand lane too. She didn't put on her left flasher and wait to be let over the way a good driver would; instead she simply pulled into my path forcing me to brake, switching on her indicator as she did so.

I really don't know what I could have been thinking... keeping to my lane and getting in her way like that :hmmm:

Eisenwurst

06-21-18, 07:05 AM

How's the old saying go???

"The first time it's happenstance.

The second time it's coincidence.

The third time it's enemy action."

They're out to get you.:yep:

Eisenwurst

06-21-18, 08:29 PM

Some woman are better drivers and sometimes I prefer them to take the wheel for awhile.

https://media.giphy.com/media/CmwuOsbt1MZGM/giphy.gif

Be the Pony.:)

Rockstar

06-21-18, 08:40 PM

Rockstar

06-22-18, 07:32 PM

No answer eh, whats a matter Chicken? :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/DAPuC5qtu66fS/giphy.gif

Eisenwurst

06-22-18, 10:29 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTpcdhp_ch0

Platapus

06-23-18, 06:46 AM

Platapus

06-23-18, 06:49 AM

The Frau drives 55 mph... until she gets out of the driveway, that is. :o

Eisenwurst

06-23-18, 07:45 AM

No wonder. You are driving on the wrong side of the highway!!!!!!!:o:o:o

(ducking) :D

We're upside down, remember. So everything's reversed.

Aktungbby

06-23-18, 03:32 PM

Well, I've alluded to it once and I shall again....this thread is beginning to look like a clear case of misogyny.
I AGREE. I PROPOSE THAT THIS THREAD BE TEMPORAILY CLOSED FOR A CERTAIN PERIOD TIME TO OBSERVE THE TRUTH OF THE SLIGHTLY MISOGYNISTIC (http://search.earthlink.net/search/track?id=1010742&url=/search&area=earthlink-ws&style=&vars=area,q,style&q=MISOGYNISTIC) CASE BEING PRESENTED. NOT AS A DISCIPLINARY MOVE BUT AS A LEGIT ''WAIT AND SEE'' STUDY. THIS, AS WE HAVE A WORLD-CLASS OPPORTUNITY TO SEE IF THE THREAD'S ARGUMENT ACTUALLY HOLDS. ESSENTIALLY, AS IN ANY EXPERIMENT, A CLEAN FIELD(PETRI DISH:O:) IS REQUIRED; AND ONE HAS PRESENTED ITSELF: SAUDI ARABIAN WOMEN HAVE BEEN JUST BEEN ALLOWED TO START DRIVING THEMSELVES WHERE FORMERLY THEY WERE NOT, UNDER MALE-DOMINATED ISLAMIC AND CULTURAL RULES. THE BAN ENDS SUNDAY. THIS SHOULD SHORTLY PROVE TO BE A REVELATORY AND UNPARALLELED TEST OF THE THREAD'S CONTENTION AND WILL SETTLE THE MATTER AS STATISTICAL DATA WILL THEN OBVIATE ANY MALE BIASED OPINION...:k_confused: https://si.wsj.net/public/resources/images/BN-VH255_SAUDIW_GR_20170926154458.jpg

Eichhörnchen

06-26-18, 04:48 PM

No answer eh, whats a matter Chicken?

Nope... been away since last Thursday. We survived a long drive (by UK standards) to attend a family reunion.

To answer your question, I didn't see the driver.... I was too busy trying to avoid a wreck. But Moira did... "It's a woman", she said :yep:

@ Aktung... the same thought occurred to me when I saw this interesting news; an empirical opportunity? Perhaps... perhaps not; will this presumably very small number of inexperienced women drivers really be enough to provide a definitive answer?

In any case, my thread wasn't conceived as a platform for debate... only as a diary of my experiences

Aktungbby

06-26-18, 07:35 PM

will this presumably very small number of inexperienced women drivers really be enough to provide a definitive answer?
EXTRAPOLATE LAD:know: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapolation (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extrapolation) I PREFER THE 'FRENCH CURVE' METHOD MYSELF!:O: https://78.media.tumblr.com/7fb17b84f8f10639be5c5d6e93a36f8f/tumblr_mwtp3ljOOs1su1dbto1_500.gif (http://jeering-at-others.tumblr.com/image/68061994763)French curve (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_curve) extrapolation is a method suitable for any distribution that has a tendency to be exponential, but with accelerating or decelerating factors. This method has been used successfully in providing forecast projections of the growth of HIV/AIDS in the UK since 1987 and variant CJD in the UK for a number of years. Another study has shown that extrapolation can produce the same quality of forecasting results as more complex forecasting strategies (http://jeering-at-others.tumblr.com/image/68061994763)

Eichhörnchen

07-06-18, 05:16 AM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2557748&postcount=86

I am seriously pondering my chances of survival now. I just took Moira to the in-laws and on the way up the road, as we approached the same bend mentioned above and at 30 mph, a small car rocketed around it on OUR side of the road. Moira exclaimed "Jesus Christ!" as the woman driver hauled her vehicle across to the inside (where she should have been) and just avoided us. She looked about bloody 16 years old and I reckon she was doing at least 50.

Please, just what am I doing wrong.... how can I improve my driving skills to avoid nearly killing all these female drivers?

Catfish

07-06-18, 05:41 AM

My theory states that women ar not worse drivers than men, indeed they cause a lot less damage and roadkill. That's statistics.

Another proposal to make roads more safe:
Illegal immigrants are the best and most cautious drivers.

Eichhörnchen

07-06-18, 05:46 AM

They cause less damage because men try to keep away from them. And statistics can be manipulated to fit any agenda

Eichhörnchen

07-06-18, 10:30 AM

I don't go in for lies, damned lies or statistics; I much prefer the evidence of my own eyes...

There's a narrow two-lane road comes off one of our town roundabouts, at the end of which you can either go straight on into a store unloading bay, turn left into a large car park serving a run of shops (Halfords, Pets at Home etc), or turn right into the ALDI car park. Today, the blonde woman driving the car in front of us indicated she wanted to go into the car park on the left but then suddenly she stopped. She set off again but turned to the right instead. Then she stopped again, this time with her vehicle straddled diagonally across both lanes. She then put the thing into reverse; she'd concluded that she didn't want to be here at all and that she was going to turn around right here... on the access road... in front of all the other cars queueing to get in. No, she wasn't going to waste time continuing on and turning in one of the car parks.

And there's more....

I finally got parked in the ALDI car park and switched on the radio while Moira went in. After a while a blonde woman turned up and got into the car on my right. She started up and there followed a loud grinding noise as she tried to drive it up onto the kerb and over the pedestrian walkway in front of us. She changed her mind about this, reversed and drove off, without even getting out for a look.

Just saying....

Catfish

07-06-18, 02:42 PM

You have Aldi, in England? :o
I thought they only expanded to the US and Australia, under the name of Trader Joe's? :hmmm:

Eichhörnchen

07-06-18, 05:16 PM

Yes, mate... we've had Aldi for ages. We had Lidl first though

Sailor Steve

07-06-18, 07:13 PM

And statistics can be manipulated to fit any agenda
What agenda do you think the police have, other than to report accidents?
What agenda do you think the insurance people have, other than to maximize their profits.

I don't go in for lies, damned lies or statistics; I much prefer the evidence of my own eyes...
The problem here isn't whether you saw what you saw, or think you saw. I stopped believing my own eyes years ago. But that's just me.

The problem is that you want everybody else to believe the evidence of your own eyes. Yes, statistics can be manipulated. On the other hand, what evidence do we have for your story, beyond your own say-so? :hmmm:

Eichhörnchen

07-07-18, 06:11 AM

Let the statistics stand, by all means; I fully appreciate that raw statistics are all the insurance industry and police have to work with, but I object to the way they are used, politically, to lecture us that women are better drivers. The insurers and police will know that... statistically... men spend far more time at the wheel than women; most cab, bus and truck drivers I've seen are men, so this must influence the statistics, but all on its own it surely gives the lie to the assertion that women are better drivers. if I produced a survey showing that far fewer men injured themselves with needles during sewing-bees, I couldn't then go around telling people that this showed men to be more skilful at sewing than women. Statistics are what they are... nothing more... if they show women to be involved in fewer accidents then that's all they show. It doesn't mean that women are better drivers.

Sure, my remark about agendas was dismissive but I'm not alone in being suspicious about the uses statistics are put to: the line about 'lies' was of course a gentle adaptation of Mark Twain's famously dismissive quote, so I would have thought I was in good company there (with an American, at least). But on the science, over here we've seen two separate scientific reports mentioned recently, both about the susceptibilty of overweight women who are fit (having good blood-pressure readings etc) to heart-attack. One study said that they are at greater risk, the other said that they are not; two separate studies, two diametrically opposed results. You only have my own say-so, but I heard it on BBC Radio 4 News.

So as to whether I saw what I've said that I saw (and if I'm not to consign your remarks to the statistical pile marked "Simply Unfriendly")... I'm a person who does not drink and drive, will not drive unless I've had a good night's sleep, and would never drive if I thought medications or pain were affecting me. Sure, you only have my word for all this but, given what I just said, I've given my descriptions as explicitly and unambiguously as I can.

Sailor Steve

07-07-18, 09:22 AM

Then let the statistics stand, by all means. I fully appreciate that raw statistics are all the insurance industry and police have to work with, but I object to the way they are used, politically, to lecture us that women are better drivers.
I don't recall anyone lecturing anybody about that. I've spent my whole life reading all the jokes about how terrible women drivers are. In spite of all that, I've never actually seen it. Sure, I've seen women do some pretty stupid things, but I've seen men do some pretty stupid things as well. I live in a medium-sized city (right around one million people) and on the whole the reports I've seen seem to balance out.

The insurers and police will know that... statistically... men spend far more time at the wheel than women; most cab, bus and truck drivers I've seen are men, so this must influence the statistics...
Really? Maybe where you live. I admit that the truckers are mostly men, but I've seen a fair share of women driving big rigs as well, and they seem to be fully competent as far as I can tell. As far as buses go, it's been my experience that we have very nearly the same amount of women bus drivers as men. No problem.

but all on its own it surely gives the lie to the assertion that women are better drivers; if I produced a survey showing that far fewer men injured themselves with needles during sewing-bees, I couldn't surely then go around telling people this showed that men are more skilful at sewing than women.
That's true. On the other hand, as I said, I live in a place with a lot of drivers, and I've never seen anything like you describe.

Sure, my remark about agendas was dismissive, and the comment about 'lies' was of course a gentle adaptation of Mark Twain's famous dismissive quote, so I would have thought I was in good company there (with an American, at least).
Yes, I recognized that. You may have thought it was "gentle", but given the rage and anger I've seen in this thread I thought it was anything but.

So as to whether I saw what I've said that I saw (and if I'm not to consign your remarks to the statistical pile marked "Simply Unfriendly")...
Not trying to be unfriendly, just responding to what looks to me like open hostility.

I'm a person who does not drink and drive, will not drive unless I've had a good night's sleep, and would never drive if I thought medications or pain were affecting me. Sure, you only have my word for all this but, given what I just said, I've given my descriptions as explicitly and unambiguously as I can.
I don't drink at all. When I drove professionally I had a couple of times when I ended up driving for thirty-six hours straight. I've had four accidents in my life. Two of them I blame on no one but myself.

I'm not saying anything about your own driving (probably better than mine) or your observations, as odd as they may seem to me. You started this thread with language that some in your own land would describe as swearing (we Yanks don't see that as a bad word, so I don't really care). It just seems to me like there's an extraordinary amount of anger there.

Eichhörnchen

07-07-18, 10:19 AM

Well I guess we have to accept that because we live in different societies, our observations about what is or isn't usual will differ. But I reserve the right to be angry about what nearly happened to me and Moira yesterday.

I woudn't characterise myself as angry about this issue (I don't think I've used that word until now)... just annoyed. Annoyed in the same way as when I hear that we are all apparently in love over here with football (I would normally insert that 'b' word here; it isn't regarded as a particularly offensive word in the UK, just an expressive one you would normally keep for informal company, like friends). But even as I am writing this there is a "vital" match for England in play and I couldn't care less about the outcome.

Statistics can be used to push an agenda, but I don't level any such accusation at the police or insurers. However, I do stand by what I said about the way they are now being carelessly used to lecture us (at least over here) about women drivers (I believe I shared a link). It's always been a much discussed subject here, with plenty of finger-wagging and lately much assertion that women are the better drivers. This thread was only started as a bit of a mischievous thing, as many of mine are, and I don't recognise it as you describe it. "Rage" certainly not... that's a very powerful word and I don't belive anyone's ever seen me in a rage. I see myself as pretty laid-back, and If you'd only inserted the words "with respect" before questioning my "say-so" then I wouldn't have felt the need to use the word "unfriendly" at all. But you will choose your own words...

Sailor Steve

07-07-18, 11:22 AM

On the other hand maybe God is a woman and She just doesn't like you. :O:

Eichhörnchen

07-07-18, 11:42 AM

If I believed in The Almighty then I'd have no problem with Her being a woman... so long as She wasn't coming towards me driving a car

Aktungbby

07-07-18, 03:04 PM

On the other hand maybe God is a woman and She just doesn't like you. :O:

If I believed in The Almighty then I'd have no problem with Her being a woman... so long as She wasn't coming towards me driving a car I AM STRANGELY 'DRIVEN':O: TO AGREE WITH U COMPLETLY:yep:...OF COURSE I MAY BE 'STIRRED' OR 'SHAKEN' AS WELL:()1: https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BZmU3M2M0NzQtNDNmYi00MTEyLTljMmItYjM4MmE4MTI0ZD NiXkEyXkFqcGdeQXVyMzI5NDcxNzI@._V1_SY1000_SX666_AL _.jpg<SHE !!!

Cyborg322

07-08-18, 12:36 AM

I had a close miss with a car pulling out in front of me I had my wife my and 2 teenage nieces with me they all shouted out stupid woman driver after almost going thru my windscreen so its not just a sexist thing . Well it was'nt on that occasion

Eichhörnchen

07-08-18, 04:33 AM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/11280402/Why-women-drivers-drive-me-mad.html

Catfish

07-08-18, 04:53 AM

^ as usual, the comments on this 'article' are the best :haha:

Sean C

07-08-18, 05:52 AM

I thought [Aldi] only expanded to the US and Australia, under the name of Trader Joe's? :hmmm:

We have both Aldi (by that name) and Lidl here in Virginia. Both entered the area within the past year or two. We also have Trader Joe's, which has been here for about 13 years.

STEED

07-08-18, 07:33 AM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/11280402/Why-women-drivers-drive-me-mad.html

08 Dec 2014

Come on old bean you can do better than that. Put up a bang up to date link. :03:

I say to you drivers get off your fat bums and walk like I do. :) :03: :O: :DL

Reece

07-08-18, 08:06 AM

Yeh but I've got tight buns STEED!!:yep:

STEED

07-08-18, 08:27 AM

Yeh but I've got tight buns STEED!!:yep:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/8e/05/478e05e3b8ffc2da288b1dd24ba9f18c.jpg

STOP USING STARCH! :haha:

Eichhörnchen

07-08-18, 10:12 AM

Come on old bean you can do better than that. Put up a bang up to date link. :03:

I have the date as May 2015, but it was dished up to me by Facebook as current news in March and I admit I didn't even look at the date... I hate the way they do that. Even so, my thread isn't about the figures themselves but about the way the results are misinterpreted and used as a political blunt instrument. I daresay that a present-day study would also show that women are involved in fewer accidents, just as tigers are involved in fewer accidents in Antarctica (proving, of course, that they are more careful on the ice) https://i.imgur.com/2MztX03.gif

STEED

07-08-18, 12:36 PM

I have the date as May 2015, but it was dished up to me by Facebook as current news in March and I admit I didn't even look at the date... I hate the way they do that.

Fake news

Sorry

Very very late news. :haha:

STEED

07-08-18, 12:42 PM

Coming soon...

STEED's week of general observation as a pedestrian. :DL

Can you take the stress in waiting? Well you have to as this will be next week. :03:

Sailor Steve

07-08-18, 01:03 PM

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/road-safety/11280402/Why-women-drivers-drive-me-mad.html
Opinion.

Fact:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/men-women-really-better-drivers.html/

Eichhörnchen

07-08-18, 01:10 PM

^ Regret link not working... all I get is "403-Forbidden"

Sailor Steve

07-08-18, 01:17 PM

Interesting. I just clicked it again, and it works fine for me.

Eichhörnchen

07-08-18, 01:37 PM

Must be a technical glitch. Not to worry... a US pal has just PM'd me the transcript

Eichhörnchen

07-09-18, 02:16 AM

Opinion.

Fact:
https://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/men-women-really-better-drivers.html/

Since most of the rest of the article follows on from this opening assertion, I don't really see how it undermines my argument:

https://i.imgur.com/IqkScfl.png

The line that men "tend" to engage in risky behaviour seems to me rather unscientific; "tend" is a word suggesting something untabulated. The article goes on to affirm that "gender differences in fatality risks diminish with age" (as one might expect) so the claim about "men" per se engaging in risky driving looks grossly unfair.

"...because men typically drive more than women..." only supports my argument that men are bound, statistically, to be involved in more accidents... this does not give scientific support to the claim that women are better drivers... the two things are unrelated. The latter is the subject of my thread.

Sailor Steve

07-09-18, 02:31 AM

In that case the only "scientific" conclusion would have to be that all the bad women drivers in the UK live within a 10-mile radius of you. You seem to be the only one who has this problem.

Eichhörnchen

07-09-18, 02:40 AM

No.... I am the only one who has begun a diary on Subsim about this problem

STEED

07-12-18, 05:18 AM

Coming soon...

STEED's week of general observation as a pedestrian. :DL

Mon-Wed..Nothing to report.

Thu-Sun..:hmmm: (coming soon)

Rockstar

07-12-18, 10:28 AM

Hmmm, clear case of conformists vs. free thought.

STEED

07-13-18, 05:43 AM

Mon-Wed..Nothing to report.

Thu-Sun..:hmmm: (coming soon)

Thursday...

I waited at the corner of the road as there was a post van approaching and it turned right without indicating. I was thinking he would go pass me but no, oh dear me. OK, very minor fault but never the less the driver should had made it clear in what direction they were going.

https://www.onlinemalayali.in/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/vs_lights-reflectors_00.png

STEED

07-14-18, 05:36 AM

Nothing Fri/Sat and that's a wrap. Not going out Sunday too hot, on average i spot one driver a week doing something they should not.

Gargamel

07-14-18, 01:38 PM

August

07-14-18, 02:11 PM

I think womens biggest problem with driving is they are too easily distracted. It's been my observation that coming to a red light most men will keep their attention on the light waiting for it to change then they go when it does. Women on the other hand, as soon as they stop at the light you can see their head turn to start fiddling with things on the floor or in the back seat or whatever and they miss the light turning green so everyone has to wait until they decide to notice, then they usually take off running the now red light leaving everyone behind them stuck.

Aktungbby

07-14-18, 06:39 PM

I think womens biggest problem with driving is they are too easily distracted. It's been my observation that coming to a red light....you can see their head turn to start fiddling with things on the floor or in the back seat
GEEZE!! I'M GOIN' VISUAL ON THIS CONCEPT BBY! THEY DON'T CALL IT A 'RED LIGHT' DISTRICT FER NUTHIN' https://media0.giphy.com/media/Y637mcD2Jgufm/giphy.gif:k_confused:

Buddahaid

07-14-18, 10:15 PM

Non scientific observations from 12 years of being a medic:

Women cause more accidents, but are of the "Whoopsy, my bad" variety. Simple fender benders, bumping into poles, etc. Light weight stuff.

Men are the cause of most of the more severe accidents. Driving too fast, recklessly, etc. The majority of the time, if there were no other cars on the road, they would be fine. But it's when somebody does something normal, but without checking where this idiot is going, does it turn bad.

Of course, this is completely anecdotal, and is not scientific at all.

Geese Louise, if we are going to wax anecdotal, I see three types and sex doesn't make any difference. There are those that drive to fast and make bad decisions, those that drive too slow and make bad decisions, and those that drive fast,or slow, but are paying attention and make good decisions. The problem is you never know who that next driver is going to be so expect the bad decisions and live for another day.

Personally, I treat all drivers of German cars as bad drivers. They either think they are God's gift to driving or are very old and use the death clutch on the steering wheel. Next in line are Prius drivers who think they deserve to be in the left overtaking lane regardless of what their speed is, or are the most clueless drivers in the world. After that is any guy with a diesel truck and an ego to match the tire size.

Gargamel

07-14-18, 11:12 PM

After that is any guy with a diesel truck and an ego to match the tire size.

But only to a point, once the diesel vehicle in question grows to commercial size, they usually tend to be the better, safer drivers on the road. It's just that when things wrong for them, they go really wrong.

Geese Louise, if we are going to wax anecdotal, I see three types and sex doesn't make any difference. There are those that drive to fast and make bad decisions, those that drive too slow and make bad decisions, and those that drive fast,or slow, but are paying attention and make good decisions. The problem is you never know who that next driver is going to be so expect the bad decisions and live for another day.

Yup.

Eichhörnchen

07-20-18, 07:21 PM

A residential road, so one or two cars at the kerbside. I'd need soon to pass one that was parked on my side, and there was another (occupied) parked on the other side a little futher on, so I'd have to pull around the first and in again to avoid the second.

As I came up behind and to the outside of the first car and prepared to pass it, the second car.... which had been stationary while a lot of females climbed in.... instead of waiting for me to come past the parked vehicle, just started forward and came straight on, with no indicator used, forcing me to stop. I would say, under any other circumstances, that she must be blind, but blind people are not allowed to drive over here.

And I somehow knew just what she was going to do... perhaps because of all my past experience of how good our women drivers really are.

mapuc

07-20-18, 08:53 PM

I'm not a driving instructor
I can therefore not say if those I have been with as a passanger have been better driver then others.

There are though, those I feel more comfortable with then others.

And here there are no different among my female and male friends.

Back to sad real life story.

This happened in the end of the 80's.

I worked for a smaller construction company and we were working on a bigger constructions side.

This day, which was a Friday start of the summer, one of the bricklayers from an another company had to take some hours earlier free this day, He had an appointment with his dentist.

Remember we stood outside our Baracks after our break some of was smoking and some was drinking a bear. This bricklayer wasn't he had to drive his car.

He said goodbye while laughing at something one of the others told us.

This was the last time I saw him.

On his way home he drove faster than allowed. Instead of driving the main road home he toke a detour which is shorter but it is on very small roads and there was some small towns here and there. In one of these little town, a little boy ran out to get his boll.
This bricklayer came round the corner had no time to hit the brake.

If I remember correctly the boy died later.

My uncle told me this during the weekend and we got the information at work.
Later I was told by my uncle
He got a verdict and lost his driving licens for some years.

This was so to say the easy part.

Some years later after I had stopped working for this company, my uncle told me he had tried to take his life and he have become a alcoholic.
His marriage was destroyed.

So drink and drive may result in fine or maybe prison and lost of driving licens, but taking another persons life especially if it is a child will destroy the drivers life for good.

Markus

Platapus

07-20-18, 09:12 PM

Back when I was still living with my parents, I used to hate riding in the car when my mother would drive.

You know those huge signs that are above highways? She used to wait until she was almost under one of them and then ask me, "what does that sign say?"

"It says that you really need to wear your glasses while driving". :o:o:o

u crank

07-21-18, 05:27 AM

We have had two recent highway tragedies on our little island. In one a man driving an SUV crossed the highway and hit a utility truck head on. The man was killed and three occupants of the truck were injured.

In another case a man driving one of those three wheeled motorcycles hit a curb went off the road and crashed. His wife who was the passenger was killed and he was injured. Both accidents seemed to involve careless driving by men.

Just saying.

Eichhörnchen

07-21-18, 09:28 AM

No you're quite right... of course there is a lot of careless driving by men too

Eichhörnchen

09-13-18, 01:26 PM

We were coming home on a country road earlier and a woman driver careered around the bend ahead on the wrong side of the road. She'd decided to round the bend on the inside (just like a rally driver) and shave maybe one twentieth of a second off her journey time. How she was able to see around the bend and know it was safe to do so I guess I'll never find out.

Fortunately we were not close enough to have been in any real danger ourselves from this reckless driver who, nonetheless, is still classed as a better driver than me and most other of her male counterparts

Eichhörnchen

09-17-18, 10:07 AM

Twice today a woman driver has sped round a bend towards me on my side of the road to get past cars parked on hers

Whenever I have to come onto the second of these roads, I pass this ever present line of stationary vehicles with care, always ready to stop and reverse if need be. Not only that, it's a residential street and often with many kids playing

But I had to brake when this superior driver suddenly appeared, racing around the bend towards me, but I stuck it out and waited while she squeezed in between two parked cars

Earlier in the day, another superior blonde-haired being came careering around a car parked on the inside of a bend in another street, forcing me to brake again whilst I was positioned correctly on my own side of the road

I think in future when I have to travel past parked cars like this I should fire a red flare out the window to warn off any oncoming women drivers

Aktungbby

09-17-18, 01:03 PM

Twice today a woman driver has sped round a bend towards me on my side of the road to get past cars parked on hers
PERHAPS SHE WAS ON A BENDER AND 'GONE 'ROUND THE BEND'??!!:arrgh!: SERIOUSLY: IF A KNOWN TRAFFIC MAL-CONDITION ARISES; ADVISE YOUR LOCAL CONSTABULARY TO SET UP A TRAFFIC OFFICER TO MONITOR THE SITUATION; ISSUE TICKETS WHICH IS A REVENUE SOURCE AND MAYBE ALTER THE LEGAL PARKING THAT IS INITIATING THE DANGEROUS HEADON COLLISION LANE SHIFT PROBLEM. AT THE VERY LEAST: A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE WHICH PROHIBITS A LANE SHIFT IE: VIOLATION 'FAILURE TO REMAIN RIGHT OF A DOUBLE YELLOW LINE'
https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/the-long-road-picture-id474910185OR ITS BRIISH EQUIVALENT SHOULD BE PAINTED ALONG WITH A NO PARKING ZONE FOR THE LOCALE.

Eichhörnchen

09-17-18, 02:15 PM

There are a lot of older streets where the houses were built before general ownership of cars, so they don't have driveways. This of course results in line-parking in streets where only one vehicle at a time can then get through.

Generally you can see far enough ahead to know when you're okay, but of course when there's a blind bend you just have to go on gingerly and trust to luck. If it's your right of way and you've just entered the 'danger zone' then still the polite thing to do is back up and let the other driver come on. Double lines are of course no use here. But when a driver speeds around this blind bend then whichever way he/she is travelling, he/she is plainly reckless.

But apparently the statistics show that women drivers do not take risks

Aktungbby

09-17-18, 02:47 PM

...were built before general ownership of cars,...blind bend then whichever way he/she is travelling, he/she is plainly reckless.
WE KNOW ALL ABOUT YOUR WRECKLESS LADIES ON THE ROADWAY !:haha: https://i.pinimg.com/474x/5d/03/66/5d0366fd63fc36bcc4832499027a6e8c--maureen-ohara-maureen-osullivan.jpg NUTHIN' GOOD GOES OUTTA STYLE BBY!:()1:

Sailor Steve

09-17-18, 09:21 PM

But apparently the statistics show that women drivers do not take risks
Apparently you are the only male driver to ever travel that road.

Eichhörnchen

11-23-18, 12:44 PM

https://i.imgur.com/sBm62La.jpg

Rockstar

11-23-18, 03:48 PM

I wonder if government should enact a law demanding some women drivers attend a psycological evalution before allowing them to operate a motor vehicle.

That should help reduce a lot of problems. Allowng other drivers a safer environment.

STEED

11-23-18, 07:37 PM

I saw a bloke busy on his smart phone who was getting a blast from car horns at the traffic lights on green!

Rockstar

11-23-18, 08:44 PM

Probably was a woman that called him. She could have caused an accident.

Reece

11-23-18, 08:55 PM

What a nasty woman!! :nope:

Buddahaid

11-23-18, 09:00 PM

Rockstar

11-23-18, 10:14 PM

The person who tried to kill me last Wednesday night was a man who felt he needed to cut through dense traffic in a construction zone, with no shoulders, in the rain, and already going 10 MPH over the speed limit. So what's this about women being bad drivers?

Hey, just think how disastrous it could have been if a man had not been behind the wheel of that car! You could've been kilt ded. :o

Buddahaid

11-23-18, 10:35 PM

Close thing.:shucks:

Reece

11-23-18, 10:41 PM

Here's food for thought, what about Gay drivers? :hmmm::o

Buddahaid

11-23-18, 10:51 PM

Here in the Socialist Republic of California, we have no gender. I don't get it?:hmmm:

Reece

11-23-18, 11:39 PM

So you don't have a set? :hmmm:

Buddahaid

11-23-18, 11:47 PM

Apparently not since my wife declared territorial rights.

Eichhörnchen

11-24-18, 05:32 AM

... what's this about women being bad drivers?

Just in order to avoid complaints, the premise of this thread is actually not that women are bad drivers... rather that there are bad drivers of both sexes but we are often told now that statistics prove women to be better drivers per se, which I argue they do not

Eichhörnchen

11-24-18, 05:42 AM

Here's food for thought, what about Gay drivers? :hmmm::o

In the summer, a gay friend and his husband came over to visit from the US. He had to contend with stick-shift gears as well as driving on the wrong side of the road (in a hire car)... I've never seen a more careful driver :haha:

Reece

11-24-18, 06:07 AM

:har: I wonder how he handled the stick shift? :hmmm:

Eichhörnchen

11-24-18, 07:03 AM

I guess it had its compensations...

STEED

11-24-18, 08:33 AM

Probably was a woman that called him. She could have caused an accident.

Not the point he was breaking the law using a smart phone and clearly it was not hands free. I have seen far more men on their smart/mobile phones than women. The women I have seen all pulled over to the side to date.

Using a hand-held mobile phone while driving is illegal. It is also illegal if you are a passneger supervising a learner driver. ... But from 1 March 2017, the penalty doubled – so being caught using a mobile phone while driving carries a penalty of six points and a £200 fine.

Eichhörnchen

11-24-18, 09:54 AM

STEED

11-24-18, 10:03 AM

Yeah but she shouldn't have called him, see? We are supposed to be able to read our wives' minds, so isn't it only fair to assume they can read ours? She must therefore have known he was driving :salute:

Who said anyone called him? :hmmm:

What I saw was a bloke tapping away on his phone so engrossed and not keeping his eyes on the road/traffic lights. And when he noticed the lights were on green he drove off with one hand on the wheel and the other on his smart phone!

RECKLESS DRIVING!! :yep:

Oh just to add I witness a bloke driving in the high street with his knees while selecting music on his smart phone as his head was rocking all over the place.

RECKLESS DRIVING!! :yep:

Rockstar

11-24-18, 12:25 PM

Who said anyone called him? :hmmm:

What I saw was a bloke tapping away on his phone so engrossed and not keeping his eyes on the road/traffic lights. And when he noticed the lights were on green he drove off with one hand on the wheel and the other on his smart phone!

RECKLESS DRIVING!! :yep:

Oh just to add I witness a bloke driving in the high street with his knees while selecting music on his smart phone as his head was rocking all over the place.

RECKLESS DRIVING!! :yep:

I think you're missing the point. Had they been women drivers it could have been a different outcome

The first fella was probably just telling his wife he cant text and went about his way. The second was most likely a trained stunt driver working on some record company advertisment.

Eichhörnchen

12-16-18, 01:00 PM

If I'm turning off a road into another one at a T junction, I always give a wide berth in case of another vehicle coming along that second road

Yesterday I was the one on the second road and as I approached a T junction a huge 4X4 came sailing around the corner and cut right across my path... she must have had ALL FOUR wheels on my side of the road at one point

Sean C

12-17-18, 01:59 AM

My wife remarked out of the blue today that she believes that as she gets older she is becoming a worse driver. I feel the opposite is true for me.

I told her I was going to post her comment in this thread. :DL

(NB: She drives a high powered sports car and, lately, I have been slightly terrified by her driving.)

Eichhörnchen

12-17-18, 02:44 AM

Thank you :haha:

STEED

12-17-18, 09:01 AM

Thank you :haha:

The big E lets off his stress by having a good moan on his thread.

Now you feel better I want to know what are the top five nuts full of flavour to buy at a good sensible cheap price? :)

Eichhörnchen

12-17-18, 10:25 AM

Smoky barbecue almonds, honey-roast cashews, coconuts, pistachios and chocolate covered brazils

I don't know how much they cost, I just steal them from picnickers

STEED

12-17-18, 11:32 AM

Smoky barbecue almonds, honey-roast cashews, coconuts, pistachios and chocolate covered brazils

I don't know how much they cost, I just steal them from picnickers

I rather have plain unsalted cashews and pistachios.

Oh well back to moaning about women drivers....:haha:

Jimbuna

12-17-18, 03:44 PM

https://i.imgur.com/drFeNNx.jpg

Commander Wallace

12-17-18, 09:29 PM

^ :haha:

STEED

12-18-18, 03:24 PM

Just for Eich and all you drivers...

Dave Allen on Driving

WARNING STRONG LANGUAGE DO NOT WATCH IF OFFENDED.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNycWQSeOnE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc1j09a2ObY

Catfish

12-18-18, 03:41 PM

^ Dave Allen was a genius :):yep:

There was a short video by him, about driving when drunk, or 'Do not drink and drive', with the personified death waiting.. if anyone finds this on Youtube or elsewhere..

STEED

12-18-18, 04:06 PM

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2582152&postcount=585

2/4 3 minutes 12 seconds in.

Catfish

12-18-18, 04:35 PM

^ Yes, that's it!! Thanks so much :yep: :up:

STEED

12-19-18, 12:06 PM

^ Yes, that's it!! Thanks so much :yep: :up:

No charge. :) :up:

Buddahaid

12-27-18, 08:59 AM

This is a good one.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46693146

Aktungbby

12-27-18, 10:36 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hapmuA_QcdM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hapmuA_QcdM) :k_confused:

Jimbuna

12-27-18, 11:09 AM

This is a good one.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46693146

What? A case of two people getting killed?

Buddahaid

12-27-18, 02:03 PM

Good would be a poor choice of words but the thread is about bad driving.

Buddahaid

12-27-18, 10:49 PM

Now that I've ruminated on it, it's just a bit of black humor and so be it. I mean, the women could have conspired to rid themselves of their men for all we know. Maybe the caddy is in on it and better watch his back!

Eichhörnchen

12-28-18, 05:04 AM

I think that when stories like this get reported there's an element of mischievousness involved... they know that people will enjoy the irony, even though they know it's 'wrong' :03:

Eichhörnchen

01-03-19, 11:23 AM

On Monday I was driving into a steady curve in a residential street; we drive on the left here and the road now disappeared round to the right. Ahead and on the right-hand side of this bend was a parked car. I slowed to 15 mph to give any unseen approaching vehicle time to stop at the parked car, affording me my right of way.

And as it happens there was another car coming the other way but it was an Audi being driven by a blonde in a fur jacket, so she was not about to allow anybody their right of way: she simply swept around the bend AND the parked car, onto my side of the road and forced me to stop.

STEED

01-03-19, 11:34 AM

BREAKING NEWS

The Me Too movement is on its way to protest against Eich. It has been reported Eich scampered up a tree with a clutch of nuts.

Reece

01-03-19, 06:30 PM

. . . and threw them at the blonde!

STEED

01-04-19, 06:56 AM

. . . and threw them at the blonde!

I did not know Eich was a brunet man, clearly not a red head he's too old for them.

Eichhörnchen

01-12-19, 12:22 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46846981?fbclid=IwAR1X-nN1xUrYrfjswcetQo5QHkpGPTc_UjJhlJ-nXfFiHBVabkwvDxk0lvE

But remember: women are better drivers than men

STEED

01-12-19, 12:53 PM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46846981?fbclid=IwAR1X-nN1xUrYrfjswcetQo5QHkpGPTc_UjJhlJ-nXfFiHBVabkwvDxk0lvE

But remember: women are better drivers than men

That has more too do with stupid idots, years ago there was a film about having sex in a car and crashing! Yes some morrons tried it for real, the last craze as I recall was morrons popping up in clown costumes chashing people around.

Jimbuna

01-13-19, 07:23 AM

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-46846981?fbclid=IwAR1X-nN1xUrYrfjswcetQo5QHkpGPTc_UjJhlJ-nXfFiHBVabkwvDxk0lvE

But remember: women are better drivers than men

On the same page as your link above.

Driver leaves toddler in crashed car in Long Eaton

A motorist jumped in a canal in a bid to flee police after crashing a car - leaving his partner and a toddler inside the vehicle.

Derbyshire Roads Policing Unit said the driver of the Vauxhall Corsa failed to stop for police, who lost him in Long Eaton town centre.

The driver went on to hit five cars before losing control of the car, leaving it flipped on its roof.

He was arrested as he tried to flee and remains in custody, police said.

Eichhörnchen

01-13-19, 08:07 AM

Yes, there are some appalling male drivers about too

Jimbuna

01-13-19, 08:25 AM

That has more too do with stupid idots, years ago there was a film about having sex in a car and crashing! Yes some morrons tried it for real, the last craze as I recall was morrons popping up in clown costumes chashing people around.

In days of old
when I was bold
and laws they were intended
there came a craze
when cars would race
outside schools for kids enjoyment

Reckless acts carried out by prats
the inevitable accidents never intended
but thankfully no deaths ensued
lawful action worked as intended.

Thanks and praise to those in blue
their eforts did prevail
and surprise surprise to those who read
every convicted driver was a male.

Suffice to say....been there and done that https://i.imgur.com/ijX5Y3t.gif

Eichhörnchen

01-13-19, 01:44 PM

"Every convicted driver was a male"

This is a sport enjoyed and indulged in mostly by males, so what else would you expect?

The preponderance of male culprits does not demonstrate that women are better drivers... only that they don't go in for street racing

Fubar2Niner

01-13-19, 01:51 PM

Or sex over 60 !!!!! :wah::wah::wah:

Eichhörnchen

01-13-19, 02:56 PM

^ Well maybe not in cars any more :haha:

Rockstar

01-13-19, 03:55 PM

Yes, there are some appalling male drivers about too

I blame peer pressure. I'm sure he's a well adjusted and safe driver. But was probably duped by these reckless she-devils to believe street racing is harmless and totally legal.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/03/20/04/3E728B1400000578-4329996-image-a-17_1489985414375.jpg

Eichhörnchen

01-14-19, 01:22 PM

When the light is failing and your headlights need to be on... just notice how many of those cars without lights on are being driven by women

Catfish

01-14-19, 03:04 PM

When the light is failing and your headlights need to be on... just notice how many of those cars without lights on are being driven by women

Pfft my wife can't see anyway at dark with all those oncoming lights blinding.. it is just regard for the coming cars that she does not turn them on.

Reece

01-14-19, 06:26 PM

That makes sense, should be more conscientious drivers like that! :yep:

Eichhörnchen

01-15-19, 01:30 AM

You can joke but it might well be true in some cases :up:

STEED

01-16-19, 07:37 AM

One thing that gets me mad is some dumb drivers whom's car lights have too be on full blast so I get blinded! Yes its dark but not wall to wall fog! Every time I walk home from work I get blinded and everyone else as well..TURN THOSE LIGHTS ON A LOWER SETTING YOU LOT!

Sean C

01-17-19, 01:39 AM

:sign_yeah:

I think a lot of the problem can be attributed to the growing popularity of HID/xenon/LED headlights. Why they are not regulated to not be as bright as high beams is beyond my comprehension.

Eichhörnchen

01-21-19, 03:46 PM

This is just astonishing (but not at all surprising):

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/prince-philip-car-crash-victim-driving-apology-sorry-land-rover-accident-sandringham-latest-a8737066.html

The crash investigation is still under way and yet the injured passenger in the other vehicle is being freely described as a victim deserving of an apology from the Duke of Edinburgh. Yes... incredibly, she is complaining that no apology has been made to her by the Duke, when the first thing we are told to remember after we've been in a prang is to NOT ADMIT LIABILITY! I could understand all this if he'd said he was taking a nap at the time of the accident... but I don't think he did

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/1074865/Prince-philip-crash-victim-prince-philip-driving-royal-news-duke-of-edinburgh

In this second report the "victim's" vehicle is first described as slamming into the Duke's Land Rover, then later in the same article the Duke's vehicle "ploughed into the Kia". These people, who can't even agree with themselves what they think happened during this incident, have then to admit that the investigation is still ongoing..... I wonder what the woman driver's insurance company makes of all the public allegations and descriptions being made to the press?

Watch this space...

Jimbuna

01-22-19, 08:56 AM

"We could see the Land Rover about 150 yards away from us at a junction, then it started to move".

The crash happened as Philip’s Freelander pulled out of a side road on to a stretch of the A149.

Kia slammed into the duke’s Land Rover when he pulled out into a main road.

“He looked so worried and told me ‘I’m such a fool’,”

Philip was overheard telling police he had been “dazzled by the sun”.

Self explanatory really

Yesterday the duke was back behind the wheel alone and without a seatbelt.

The Prince, who told a passer-by that he had blinded by the sun, was yesterday (SAT) seen driving in the Sandringham estate, near where the accident happened, in a replacement Land Rover Freelander which he collected on Friday. The duke was wearing sunglasses.

Dear oh dear, some people will never learn but one thing in his favour...he was wearing sunglasses.

Aktungbby

01-22-19, 11:06 AM

Self explanatory really. Dear oh dear, some people will never learn but one thing in his favour...he was wearing sunglasses. PERHAPS HE'S SIMPLY "STAYED TOO LONG(97) AND HE'S GOTTEN SLITTY- EYED...FROM THE SUN!':arrgh!: https://secure.i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00786/Prince-Philip-220_786876c.jpghttps://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-philip/8544598/Duke-of-Edinburgh-defends-slitty-eyed-gaffe.html (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/prince-philip/8544598/Duke-of-Edinburgh-defends-slitty-eyed-gaffe.html) IN CALIFORNIA THIS WOULD BE GROUNDS FOR A ELDER DRIVING ASSESSMENT TEST https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/about/senior/driverlicense/reexam (https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/dmv/?1dmy&urile=wcm:path:/dmv_content_en/dmv/about/senior/driverlicense/reexam) BOTH OF MY PARENTS WERE DEMENTIA CASES; AND AFTER ONE ACCIDENT WITH MY DAD DRIVING AND A DISAPPEARANCE IN HIS CAR FOR A DAY REQUIRING A POLICE A.P.B, I REMOVED MY DAD'S KEY FROM HIS RING AND PUT A DUMMY KEY FROM THE DEALER ON IT-(HE NEVER FIGURED OUT "WHY THE DAMN CAR WOULDN'T START":shucks:) AND, LATER, IN MY MOM'S CASE WHEN SHE STILL TRIED TO BACK OUT OF THE GARAGE (WITH THE DOORS OPEN EVEN THOUGH HER YOUNGER KIDS HAD EMPLOYED A DAILY DRIVER) I SMPLY PULLED THE ROTOR OFF THE DISTRIBUTER AND THE OLDSMOBILE SAT FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS TILL DONATED TO A CHARITY;:doh: THIS SAVED THEM FROM LAWSUITS TO PRESERVE THEIR RETIREMENT FUNDS, HOUSE...AND SOME DIGNITY.

Jimbuna

01-22-19, 11:47 AM

https://i.imgur.com/t0OU3ZZ.png

Eichhörnchen

01-22-19, 12:18 PM

I merely point out the folly of making public pronouncements and assumptions even before an investigation has been completed: to illustrate this I might say that in some accidents a collision could occur only because the brakes of a vehicle approaching a hazard are defective through poor maintenance. All such things need to be considered before a final assessment can be properly arrived at

So when assessing culpability, it needs to be remembered that accidents sometimes occur as the culmination of the actions of several parties and not just one

STEED

01-22-19, 04:55 PM

Why is that old fart driving around at his age! What next a spot of duck hunting as he drives along with a shot gun out the window.

Eisenwurst

01-29-19, 07:41 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WLQMVslDvA

FullMetalADCAP

01-29-19, 08:56 PM

As a former city cop for 12 years I can attest that women are NOT better drivers than men. They also get way more warnings than men do by far because most cops are men and give women a pass that they wouldn't give to another man.

So the statistics are VERY flawed, despite some articles claiming that statistics don't lie. Generally, when an article claims that statistics don't lie, they have some sort of agenda they are trying to push that distorts the reality.

And what isn't ticketed, didn't apparently happen, even if it really did. Statistics are very much flawed.

I worked more crash scenes involving a female driver at fault than the opposite. Many were texting and driving incidents. That's really shot up a lot with teenage girls and women in their 20s. Also, female DUIs have gone way up whereas males have come down some. Female road rage has also gone way up and males have come down some. Young males still account for more racing accidents and traffic deaths though but it's come down a lot compared to the past. As far as fender benders go, females still far exceed males on those. So as far as overall amounts of accidents, women account for the most. As far as accidents resulting in death, males still account for most of those, even if they didn't cause the accident that resulted in their death.

Men drive way more than women do. Many men have occupations that require them to be on the road more than women. Most pizza delivery drivers are men. Most plumbers are men. Most electricians are men. Most cable/Internet installers are men. Most truck drivers are men. Most police officers are men. Most taxi drivers are men. And so on. Men drive a lot more than women do on a daily basis and so it stands to reason that the more you drive, the higher your chances of getting into an accident or witnessing an accident are. Women either stay home most of the day or they go to a sit down cozy a/c job. They only have to drive from A to B and back to A each day. Many men go from A to B to C to D to E to F to G to H to I .... all the way to Z and then back to A each day.

Also, some women are often too cautious when they drive and this causes accidents - including those that result in males being killed. It's just as bad to be an over cautious driver than a reckless one. I've pulled over female drivers for going the speed limit when the flow of traffic was going 20 over. One woman told me she was trying to force the other drivers to slow down by using her car, and her speed, as way of forcing other drivers to slow down. Little did she know, this is a form of road rage. It's not your job to be trying to slow down other motorists on the highway by using your vehicle and your speed as blockade. It's a form of anger and you are what we call a "vigilante driver." When she admitted this to me, I had her step out of her vehicle and placed her under arrest for road rage. She was shocked to say the least and cried and whined the whole way to the jail and called me every dirty name in the book. "I was trying to do you and the rest of you pigs a favor you bleep bleep bleep." Yeah, sure you were lady. Welcome to the city bed and breakfast where no, you don't get to have it your way.

Has anyone else noticed or is it just me? But doesn't it seem like the attitude of the female sex has radically changed in the last 30 - 40 years? They have lost a lot of their femininity, class, and overall niceness. They seem to have developed a very ugly and highly entitled attitude. They are even more "masculinized?" in their attitude as if they are trying to act like they are tough. Kinda like "small man syndrome" or whatever it's called when a short guy acts super tough to make up for his smaller stature.

And OMG, they swear a lot more than before. I was in the U.S. Navy and I thought I swore a lot (cuss like a Sailor right?!) but these chicks today, seriously need a bar of soap shoved in their mouths. I'm not kidding! I'm not sure what's caused this attitude they have now? Guys on the other hand have seemed to tone way down. Is soy making guys more like girls and girls more like guys? Something bizarre is going on. I'd like answers! Maybe it's the Russians! :hmmm: Let's just blame them for everything! :)

Eichhörnchen

01-30-19, 06:17 AM

^ Thanks, buddy

Let the statistics stand, by all means; I fully appreciate that raw statistics are all the insurance industry and police have to work with, but I object to the way they are used, politically, to lecture us that women are better drivers. The insurers and police will know that... statistically... men spend far more time at the wheel than women; most cab, bus and truck drivers I've seen are men, so this must influence the statistics, but all on its own it surely gives the lie to the assertion that women are better drivers. if I produced a survey showing that far fewer men injured themselves with needles during sewing-bees, I couldn't then go around telling people that this showed men to be more skilful at sewing than women. Statistics are what they are... nothing more... if they show women to be involved in fewer accidents then that's all they show. It doesn't mean that women are better drivers

And:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=2560511&postcount=136

Eichhörnchen

01-30-19, 08:34 AM

https://i.imgur.com/wbj0rMh.png

Sailor Steve

01-30-19, 11:30 AM

STEED

01-30-19, 11:43 AM

At least be honest about it. You're not concerned with any real safety matters. You're simply on a vendetta. Has it occurred to you that your constant claims of all the horrible women drivers in your neighborhood without ever mentioning one single male driver constitutes a statistic in itself. You have an axe to grind and you won't let up until you've done everything in your power to prove you're right.

How good a driver are you personally?

The mighty Steve has a point, this week I have seen two male drivers not looking where they were going and not indicating as well. Driving standards are falling because in some ways the law is weak. Over the years I have witness dreadful driving from men women young middle age and old, there is no such thing as the perfect driver.

Eichhörnchen

01-30-19, 01:35 PM

No, he's missed the point: I've just been having a bit of fun here countering the ridiculous claim that women drivers are overall better than their male counterparts, with the spurious use of statistics to "prove" it

But if it's become upsetting then I shall close my diary of near-misses (or should that be near-Mrs) right here... I think the spectacular example cited above does plenty to help close this case

For myself, I am a careful driver and for that reason have avoided all prangs thus far. And if you read through the thread you'll see that I've never disputed that there are huge numbers of idiot male drivers out there who are also trying to kill us... but I've said already that this thread has not been about them at all

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q9kE5knloBk

FullMetalADCAP

01-30-19, 04:56 PM

Eichhörnchen, it comes down to money at the end of the day. Obviously, the insurance companies know that more men drive than women do. And no doubt they use very flawed statistics in a way to generate greater profit for themselves, knowing that more men on the highway, paying more for auto insurance than women, generates even greater profit for themselves.

All this now comes at the expense of discrimination against 1/2 of the human race by making discriminatory and generalized claims that males are worse drivers than women and charging them inflated rates compared to women before they ever begin driving just based on the the genitals between their legs. I disagree 110% with this practice.

The reality is that men and women are not monoliths. Men and women are individual people and each person is different with different attributes and capabilities all their own. Some women may indeed be better drivers than a lot of men. And vice versa, some men may indeed be better than a lot of women.

My older sister had wrecked five times and gotten 2 speeding tickets in just the two years she began driving before me. Our father had bought her a brand new candy apple red BMW. She totaled it the first month she had it. She totaled another car six months after that. Then she had several fender benders. She got tons of warnings also. (Female privilege because cops go easier on women compared to men as I've said before.)

But as an individual person, she was just a horrible driver. So the discrimination against me felt especially harsh when I began driving two years later. When it came time for me to drive, my father offered me my mother's old 1981 Chevy Citation. (facepalm) And it was purple. :doh: I sucked it up through gritted teeth and thought, "Better than nothing ... I guess?"

But before I could drive it, I had to be insured. So I went with my father into the kitchen and he pulled out the yellow pages and began dialing insurance companies left and right. Turned out that it wasn't as simple as it had been for my older sister who was insured within 15 minutes over the phone, two years prior. Instead, my father wasted 3 hours of his life and mine trying to find someone to insure me at a fair rate over the phone. Didn't happen that day.

Geico wanted $400 a month for liability alone for a car that was 12 years old at the time and could probably go no faster than 65mph without blowing up the engine. My older sister, with all those accidents and speeding tickets was paying under $150 for full coverage on a much newer vehicle that could easily go 125mph! :hmmm:

So my father said, "So what you're saying is you don't want to insure my son!?" and the agent blatantly responded to my father over the phone, "Yes sir, that's exactly what we're saying!" :doh::haha: That was Geico. I've REFUSED my entire life to ever insure anything with them because of that. I'll never forget it, nor will I ever forgive it.

I was devastated. Here I was, an innocent 16 year old boy who had never done anything wrong and I wasn't being treated fairly. I'd been made to feel like I'd done something wrong - for simply being born a male. This meant I still couldn't drive even though I had earned my license and had a perfect score on both my written and driving portion of my exam. My GPA at school wasn't the greatest but it wasn't too bad either. My sister on the other hand had a much lower score on both her written and driving exams and her GPA was never great either.

So a few days later when my father was at work, my mother drove me to an "Insurance Doctor" for people who have had tons of accidents and tickets and cant' get insured. They found me an insurance plan for $275 a month for liability alone, and probably with a very shady insurance company to boot. It was better than the $350-$600 a month offers from all the main insurance companies for liability alone my father was told over the phone. It was the best we could get for me at the time but still way more than my older sister was paying for full coverage insurance on a much new vehicle and with tons of accidents and tickets on her record. And it was were most of my after school bowling alley minimum wage paychecks went towards paying on.

And of course I got mocked at school for having a vehicle dubbed, "The Purple Turtle." (cringe. Head hanging low.)

I think when it comes to auto insurance that each individual person should be judged on their own personal merits and failures - not based on what genitals they have between their legs or flawed statistics that don't tell the whole story. Each kid starting off in life should get the same insurance rate, regardless of their sex. It doesn't have to be a low rate but it should be the same for males and females. Let individual merit decide if an individual person's rate goes higher or lower after driving for so long.

In the US, males are still discriminated against for vehicle insurance. I know that for a fact. They are raising female rates up more now that they are wrecking with the texting and driving stuff but it's still much cheaper than it is for males. But didn't the UK change the law so that it was fair and equal for the sexes? Anybody from the UK around to answer?

Eichhörnchen

01-30-19, 05:37 PM

I'm from the UK but I couldn't answer that offhand... however, I did just find this:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2017/jan/14/eu-gender-ruling-car-insurance-inequality-worse

FullMetalADCAP

01-30-19, 06:32 PM

I'm from the UK but I couldn't answer that offhand... however, I did just find this:

https://www.theguardian.com/money/blog/2017/jan/14/eu-gender-ruling-car-insurance-inequality-worse

Well, I'd say that's fair if they are billing men and women as individuals based on how much they drive compared to other women and men and based on if their vehicle is more expensive than another man's or woman's vehicle.

Proving gender discrimination would be simple. Take a man in the UK and a woman in the UK who are the same age and drive the same exact car, and same exact amount of miles, and both without any driving infractions, and see if their rate is the same. If it's not, there's some sort of gender discrimination going on. But according to that article, their rate should be exactly the same.

The article is just saying that men overall (based on all the individual rates being compared) tend to pay more than women overall because more men are driving more miles than women and driving more expensive vehicles than women also on average. That's 100% fair and I don't see a problem with that. At least it's not like the U.S. where they say, "Oh, you're a male! Well, you'll be punished for that right off the bat because you have a dangler between your legs!"

Sailor Steve

01-30-19, 11:37 PM

No, he's missed the point: I've just been having a bit of fun here countering the ridiculous claim that women drivers are overall better than their male counterparts, with the spurious use of statistics to "prove" it
Maybe I have missed the point. Despite your claim to the contrary, nothing I've seen in this thread would indicate you're having fun at all. In fact to me you seem to be quite angry, and more than a little spiteful.

All this now comes at the expense of discrimination against 1/2 of the human race by making discriminatory and generalized claims that males are worse drivers than women...
Funny, I've spent my whole life hearing bad jokes about "women drivers". They've suffered that same discrimination for as long as I can remember, yet I don't recall ever hearing anyone complain about that stereotype. It's only when the shoe is on the other foot that men complain about discrimination.

…and charging them inflated rates compared to women before they ever begin driving just based on the the genitals between their legs. I disagree 110% with this practice.
Actually the difference in the rates, at least where I live, only applies to drivers under age 25. After that the rates are roughly the same. I suspect that this is not discrimination for the simple reason that younger males do tend to participate in reckless behavior. I don't recall seeing a lot of street racing among young women, at least when I was that age. The texting problem might apply more to women than to men, and that may see a change in insurance practices over the next few years. On the other hand during my years of professional driving I saw a lot of odd behavior from both sexes. I've already mentioned my story of the girl parking her car under the back of my van, but I also one day looked at the car next to me at a red light, and the suit-and-tie businessman stopped next to me had a newspaper in one hand, food of some kind in the other, and was steering with his knees.

Eichhörnchen

01-31-19, 01:59 AM

Maybe I have missed the point. Despite your claim to the contrary, nothing I've seen in this thread would indicate you're having fun at all. In fact to me you seem to be quite angry, and more than a little spiteful

Oh I've enjoyed my little thread and I think I made my point. As for seeming angry, well I reserve the right to be angry about people with little regard for safety endangering the lives of myself and my loved ones

FullMetalADCAP

01-31-19, 03:39 AM

Funny, I've spent my whole life hearing bad jokes about "women drivers". They've suffered that same discrimination for as long as I can remember, yet I don't recall ever hearing anyone complain about that stereotype. It's only when the shoe is on the other foot that men complain about discrimination.

A joke in this case isn't actual discrimination. A playfully sexist joke? Certainly. Discrimination? No. And in my life, I've heard the joke used both ways by men and women alike. Women often use the flawed statistics as a means to support their sexist jokes about male drivers. Meanwhile, young men under 25 are being truly discriminated against by an actual practice that charges them more based on the genitals between their legs.

Actually the difference in the rates, at least where I live, only applies to drivers under age 25. After that the rates are roughly the same. I suspect that this is not discrimination for the simple reason that younger males do tend to participate in reckless behavior. I don't recall seeing a lot of street racing among young women, at least when I was that age.

Here you admit the discrimination for males under age 25 but excuse it based on a very small minority of males who race. Most males do not race, nor are males the only ones who race in cars. A small minority of females also race in cars. To a lesser extent than males, but they still do it. I've even been in high speed chases with women over the age of 25 who had a total disregard for law or public safety.

It's all about individual driving. A person's sex should be irrelevant when it comes to driving and insurance rates. It should be about individual merit. Those who drive good get rewarded with lower rates. Those who don't, get hit with higher rates. Right now the auto insurance industry is actively discriminating males under 25 based on a very small minority of males who drive recklessly.

A big problem I noticed when I was a police officer is that a lot of young males were driving without any insurance at all. Of course, the system wanted to punish these men severely for it. But it always made me feel a bit sick to my stomach since many of them were just poor and probably couldn't afford the jacked up rates for males under 25. It's like they are caught in a catch 22 where they are set up to fail. Sure, driving isn't a right in the U.S. and a privilege. And no, they shouldn't have been driving without insurance. But would so many have been driving without insurance if they were given a fair and equal rate as the other half of the human race? Probably not.

Most children under the age of 8 that are killed via filicide, are murdered by their mothers. Why do the courts still give custody of children under the age of 8 over to mothers in family court in 90% of cases knowing this statistic based on the same logic of billing males more because of the small minority of males who engage in reckless driving?

Sailor Steve

01-31-19, 11:51 AM

Oh I've enjoyed my little thread and I think I made my point. As for seeming angry, well I reserve the right to be angry about people with little regard for safety endangering the lives of myself and my loved ones
But that hardly jibes with "having a bit of fun here".

A joke in this case isn't actual discrimination.
Not the joke. The attitude behind it.

A playfully sexist joke? Certainly.
Playful? Maybe. Sexist? Certainly.

Discrimination? No.
You're right. It only constitutes discrimination if some action is taken on it by somebody with power, no matter how little.

And in my life, I've heard the joke used both ways by men and women alike. Women often use the flawed statistics as a means to support their sexist jokes about male drivers.
And in my sixty-nine years I've never once heard women make "men drivers" jokes. Maybe I hang out with the wrong crowd.

Here you admit the discrimination for males under age 25 but excuse it based on a very small minority of males who race. Most males do not race, nor are males the only ones who race in cars. A small minority of females also race in cars. To a lesser extent than males, but they still do it. I've even been in high speed chases with women over the age of 25 who had a total disregard for law or public safety.
Racing was an example, not an entire basis.

It's all about individual driving. A person's sex should be irrelevant when it comes to driving and insurance rates. It should be about individual merit. Those who drive good get rewarded with lower rates. Those who don't, get hit with higher rates. Right now the auto insurance industry is actively discriminating males under 25 based on a very small minority of males who drive recklessly.
Understand one thing. I agree with you completely, and I don't think anyone has the market on bad driving. My only reason for being in this thread is to comment on what I see as a running diatribe that serves no useful purpose. Of course there are a lot of threads here that serve no useful purpose, but this one contains more open hostility than most.

A big problem I noticed when I was a police officer is that a lot of young males were driving without any insurance at all. Of course, the system wanted to punish these men severely for it. But it always made me feel a bit sick to my stomach since many of them were just poor and probably couldn't afford the jacked up rates for males under 25. It's like they are caught in a catch 22 where they are set up to fail. Sure, driving isn't a right in the U.S. and a privilege. And no, they shouldn't have been driving without insurance. But would so many have been driving without insurance if they were given a fair and equal rate as the other half of the human race? Probably not.
If you feel that strongly about it are you working to change it? Are you an activist on that front, or merely venting here? Either way is fine, of course. My own beef, as I've said, isn't with drivers male or female, or against complaining about them, or against feeling discriminated against. My complaint is using the forum as a soapbox for what I actually see as a minor thing. Complain, sure, but for how long?

Eichhörnchen

01-31-19, 02:31 PM

But that hardly jibes with "having a bit of fun here"

and:

My complaint is using the forum as a soapbox for what I actually see as a minor thing. Complain, sure, but for how long?

To answer your last point first, I thought I'd already made it clear that I was ending my activity in this thread. Accusing me of being "Spiteful" in your previous post makes it personal in my view and coming close to an infringement of forum rules:

https://i.imgur.com/S35NKKH.png

Sailor Steve

01-31-19, 02:45 PM

I wasn't accusing you of anything. I did qualify it with "it seems to me", indicating that I could be wrong, as I often am. Yes, I'm a little angry too, and in my case there is no humor involved. As to your second comment, consider the point taken. If I've gone too far, I apologize.

Eichhörnchen

01-31-19, 03:18 PM

^ Accepted, of course

FullMetalADCAP

01-31-19, 05:03 PM

Playful? Maybe. Sexist? Certainly.

Guys tease girls and girls tease guys. Been that way since the beginning of time. While these sorts of jokes are mildy sexist in nature, it's not real sexism rooted in hatred for the opposite sex either. It's a tease. Nothing more. Even Helen F-ing Keller would be able to see that.

You're right. It only constitutes discrimination if some action is taken on it by somebody with power, no matter how little.

Well, of course I'm right, I'm not a woman! :O: <---- See, this is a playfully mild sexist joke Steven! I don't hate women, but I sure do love to tease the living hell out of them. Call it "toxic masculinity" if you want to. (You don't work for Proctor and Gamble or sell Gillette razors by chance do you? :) )

And in my sixty-nine years I've never once heard women make "men drivers" jokes. Maybe I hang out with the wrong crowd.

Wow, you're that old? Well, that explains a LOT! Well, you don't have to be an "old bump on the log" about everything just because having sex must be like shooting pool with a rope for you. :haha: (I really wish I could take credit for that one but it's an old George Burns joke :03:) And see, I just made a mild 'ageism' joke against an elderly person! But the joke was invented by a very old person who wasn't afraid to joke on old people or himself for being old. I don't hate old people Steven, I just like to tease the living hell out of them. :yep::03:

And, as far as not ever hearing a woman joke about male drivers, I find that hard to believe. But looking at your 'posts count' on here I have to question whether you hang out with anybody offline? 50k+? Good freaking Lord Steven! :o You ARE the Internet.

Racing was an example, not an entire basis.

I am not a turnip Steven. I know what you meant and responded accordingly to what you were saying.

Understand one thing. I agree with you completely, and I don't think anyone has the market on bad driving. My only reason for being in this thread is to comment on what I see as a running diatribe that serves no useful purpose. Of course there are a lot of threads here that serve no useful purpose, but this one contains more open hostility than most.

I understand MANY things Steven! Here, I think you're reading too much into this and looking to find trouble where no trouble exists. I would however like to see it become more of a picture/video thread showing women who've wrecked vehicles, women struggling to park, or women doing stupid things while driving instead of so much discussion about the stupid things women do when they drive, but personal stories are always a fun read at times also.

If you feel that strongly about it are you working to change it? Are you an activist on that front, or merely venting here? Either way is fine, of course. My own beef, as I've said, isn't with drivers male or female, or against complaining about them, or against feeling discriminated against. My complaint is using the forum as a soapbox for what I actually see as a minor thing. Complain, sure, but for how long?

Sharing ideas and spreading information about real forms of gender discrimination (not playful mildy sexist jokes) is about all one person can do. And I have expressed my concerns about it for years to people I've been involved with - including some traffic court justices who agreed that the law wasn't fair but still had to be enforced until it's changed. Changing people's minds about such things is a tough sell, especially when there's money being made off the discrimination at play, as there is in the case of discriminating against young males with higher premiums than females.

I'm also very much against male circumcision and see that as a major human rights violation that's going on in westernized nations. But again, money is being made by many people who are involved with the whole male genital mutilation racket and so getting this form of human rights violation to stop is going to be hard to accomplish when so many people make their bread and butter off slicing and dicing baby boys when there's really no reason to do this to them. I'm equally against female circumcision but that's not really a problem in the U.S. or westernized world but it should be banned worldwide in both forms. But this is a discussion for another thread.

Sailor Steve

02-01-19, 03:22 AM

Okay, here I have to step outside of the argument and put my Moderator shoes on, which I suppose disqualifies me from any further discussion on my part.

Helen...Keller
I suggest you read the forum rules regarding language.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language
I know it says "asterisks", but the idea is to keep the forum clean, and that includes all the shortcuts.

Back to me:

See, this is a playfully mild sexist joke Steven!
I don't hate old people Steven,
Good freaking Lord Steven!
I am not a turnip Steven.
I understand MANY things Steven!
If I wanted to use my full name I would have made it that way. I can only assume that repeating it five times is meant to be demeaning. This is interesting coming from someone who hasn't even given us his real name. It's possible to have a discussion without the need for insults.

Wow, you're that old? Well, that explains a LOT!
Such as?

But the joke was invented by a very old person who wasn't afraid to joke on old people or himself for being old.
And I joke about myself all the time. Coming from someone talking about his own foibles is funny. You commenting on what you imagine mine to be is definitely insulting.

I don't hate old people Steven, I just like to tease the living hell out of them.
You tease your friends. Teasing total strangers in the middle of a discussion is, again, rude and insulting.

And, as far as not ever hearing a woman joke about male drivers, I find that hard to believe.
But true nonetheless.

But looking at your 'posts count' on here I have to question whether you hang out with anybody offline? 50k+? Good freaking Lord Steven! :o You ARE the Internet.
I've been a member here for sixteen years. It's one of the very few places I do post. I try to stay active in the gaming part of the forum (which is what SubSim is supposed to be here for), but I post in a lot of sections on a lot of subjects.

I am not a turnip Steven. I know what you meant and responded accordingly to what you were saying.
You said I excused discrimination based on a tiny minority. It doesn't look like you did know what I meant.

I understand MANY things Steven! Here, I think you're reading too much into this and looking to find trouble where no trouble exists. I would however like to see it become more of a picture/video thread showing women who've wrecked vehicles, women struggling to park, or women doing stupid things while driving instead of so much discussion about the stupid things women do when they drive, but personal stories are always a fun read at times also.
So you'd like to see more misogyny rather than less? Why no men?

FullMetalADCAP

02-01-19, 07:06 AM

Okay, here I have to step outside of the argument and put my Moderator shoes on, which I suppose disqualifies me from any further discussion on my part.

Banning yourself? You did violate some rules after all, as was pointed out by someone else earlier on this thread. Shame on you Steven! You're a disgrace, not only to yourself and the SubSim moderator force, but to the entire SubSim community as well!

We're all just so disappointed in you Steven! :(

I suggest you read the forum rules regarding language.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language
I know it says "asterisks", but the idea is to keep the forum clean, and that includes all the shortcuts.

So, I didn't violate the actual rule as it's stated. Thanks for clearing that up for yourself! :up:

Back to me:

If I wanted to use my full name I would have made it that way. I can only assume that repeating it five times is meant to be demeaning. This is interesting coming from someone who hasn't even given us his real name. It's possible to have a discussion without the need for insults.

:doh: My God man, now being called your name insults you? Perhaps you shouldn't be a moderator because I think you may be just a tad too sensitive for the job Steven! Assuming things is your problem. You assume everything is some sort of offense and look for trouble.

And I joke about myself all the time. Coming from someone talking about his own foibles is funny. You commenting on what you imagine mine to be is definitely insulting.

Everything is insulting to you! Even being called your own name. :haha:

You tease your friends. Teasing total strangers in the middle of a discussion is, again, rude and insulting.

That's your opinion. I tease everyone, even if I don't know them. It's how I've made lots of friends in life over the years. But most people are not sticks in the mud like you are that assumes everything is an offense and goes looking for trouble and making trouble for everyone when they're just trying to have a good time.

I've been a member here for sixteen years. It's one of the very few places I do post. I try to stay active in the gaming part of the forum (which is what SubSim is supposed to be here for), but I post in a lot of sections on a lot of subjects.

You need to get a life off of here is what I think. Just going from forum to forum Steven isn't like getting in your car and driving to a different part of the city you know. You are still on SubSim! And for 16 years!? OMG!!!! You are institutionalized on here guy. You probably couldn't go a day without this site could you!?

So you'd like to see more misogyny rather than less? Why no men?

Misogyny? Really Steven? Where is the hatred of women at on here? WHERE? I don't see it. Who is calling for the death of women, or hurting them, or anything remotely close to showing any real measurement of hatred towards women? It's not here Steven! Light-hearted gender teasing is far from misogyny. Inquiring about why women drive so poorly isn't misogyny either. This thread was opened by someone else, not me. You seem like you really want to rail into male drivers Steven. Is that misandry? Start that thread and knock yourself out. I've got some stories I could share about some really poor male drivers also but that's not what this discussion right here is about.

What I think you need to do Steven is excuse yourself from this discussion and never come back to it. Because YOU apparently have a chip on your shoulder of some sort and this thread clearly upsets you. You come on here looking to cause trouble for people because it offends you (like everything does) and you started the whole argument on here in the first place. Now you want to throw on your moderator shoes and act like you're the righteous one. NO! YOU ARE THE BULLY in this case! And that is another rule violation Steven! So ban yourself! And consider retiring from moderating if you're as sensitive as you are and feel like you need to cause trouble in forum threads that YOU find offensive while many others are getting along fine. The problem isn't them - IT'S YOU!