Being a conservative on the internet

[em2nought]

http://yuuut.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/chesty-puller-quotes.jpeg

[Eichhörnchen]

Here's an interesting link; not in answer to the OP but more for the benefit of our European members, like myself. I do tend to steer away from the political and religious stuff hereabouts for fear of offending

https://home.isi.org/pillars-modern-american-conservatism

[Rockstar]

Well I'm offended that you think you would offend me.

[Buddahaid]

https://blog.timesunion.com/opinion/files/2010/10/1102_WVlandmines.jpg

[Eichhörnchen]

Yeah... best not :har:

[Skybird]

Conservatism only is as good as what it conserves. - Hayek

[em2nought]

Conservatism only is as good as what it conserves. - Hayek

Western Civilization? It's not like the EU is planning on preserving it. :03:
http://www.albatrus.org/english/living/ourtimes/islam_conquer_europe.htm

[Platapus]

Often I think that many people believe that conservatism means agreeing with them and anyone that does not share their opinion is, by definition, a liberal. :06:

[August]

Often I think that many people believe that conservatism means agreeing with them and anyone that does not share their opinion is, by definition, a liberal. :06:

Or vice versa but you're just too liberal to see it. :)

[Armistead]

I often argue and debate both sides just to confuse people. I also have two FB accounts and will use them to debate each other logically, like playing chess with myself. Often I choose the winner, just to prove the point I was after...

[Rockstar]

Ummm, The idea that you think you're surrounded is the problem.

It's OK man, really, just relax and you'll be fine. Some dead Greek guy once said holding on to anger is like drinking poison and expecting the other guy to die.

[u crank]

I often argue and debate both sides just to confuse people. I also have two FB accounts and will use them to debate each other logically, like playing chess with myself. Often I choose the winner, just to prove the point I was after...

Oh man that is a great idea. :up:

[Eichhörnchen]

^ Me and Jimbuna are actually the same person

[Reece]

Well I'm offended that you think you would offend me.
Exactly my thoughts, this is not good enough Eichhörnchen, you owe us an apology:timeout:

[Jimbuna]

Western Civilization? It's not like the EU is planning on preserving it. :03:
http://www.albatrus.org/english/living/ourtimes/islam_conquer_europe.htm

Lord come, come quickly.

[Jimbuna]

^ Me and Jimbuna are actually the same person

I sir, still have a head of hair :smug:

[Schroeder]

Lord come, come quickly.
But I'm already here!:o:doh:

:O:

[Jimbuna]

But I'm already here!:o:doh:

:O:

:haha:

[Catfish]

^^ Schroeder, you did not spoil any fun here! Shame on you! :O:

Western Civilization? It's not like the EU is planning on preserving it. :03:
http://www.albatrus.org/english/living/ourtimes/islam_conquer_europe.htm

:doh: Is that a Ukip site?
This actually looks like a site Skybird would create, including the bird at the left :hmmm:

Lord come quick, indeed.

[Eichhörnchen]

Just a few of us looking over the tops of our newspapers at this one... no-one wants to throw the first punch :haha: We'd surely have had half a page from Oberon if he were still around

[em2nought]

^^ Schroeder, you did not spoil any fun here! Shame on you! :O:



:doh: Is that a Ukip site?
This actually looks like a site Skybird would create, including the bird at the left :hmmm:

Lord come quick, indeed.

Well, I've always considered Skybird the more educated and longer winded version of me. LOL

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2544940#post2544940)
Lord come, come quickly.
But I'm already here!:o:doh:

:O:
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/934986282853421056/kG1yhWmv_400x400.jpg

[Bilge_Rat]

the problem also comes from the fact that "conservatism" varies from country to country.

Canadian conservatives tend to be conservative only on economic issues, i.e., more free markets, less regulations, lower taxes, but tend to be more liberal on social issues, i.e. in favour of same-sex marriage, abortion, no death penalty, which means that we would most likely be classified as "democrats" south of the border...:haha:

[Platapus]

This brings up an interesting question. What is a conservative and what is a liberal?

I would be very interested in reading people's opinions about what these two terms mean. Let's not get insulting though. Talk about your own position not criticize others.

I am a moderate so I am not a good source of these definitions.

[Eichhörnchen]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-30899534

... the political party of the social elite and the deferential others; it follows that if you vote for this party then you are yourself defined as a 'Conservative'

The Party is the one that most ordinary people associate with "The Establishment"

Entirely different to the US definition

[u crank]

This brings up an interesting question. What is a conservative and what is a liberal?

I would be very interested in reading people's opinions about what these two terms mean. Let's not get insulting though. Talk about your own position not criticize others.

My opinion...

Although it is not a hard and fast rule, I believe that Liberals generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems. That basically means that they have less of an issue with government interference and regulations to level the playing field for all. They believe that the government should insure equality of outcome for all citizens.

Conservatives on the other hand seem to stress personal responsibility in citizens to make their own way. Conservatives believe that the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals and generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems. In other words, smaller, less intrusive governments.

[Buddahaid]

The meanings have changed almost to the point of having switched. Classic liberalism espoused freedom of the individual and small government.

[Aktungbby]

^ Me and Jimbuna are actually the same person
THAT'S: 'JIMBUNA AND I ARE THE SAME PERSON' :shucks: :O:

[Eichhörnchen]

You and I are going to fall out :D

[Aktungbby]

NOW THAT'S TELLING ME OFF!:Kaleun_Goofy:

[Catfish]

My opinion...

Although it is not a hard and fast rule, I believe that Liberals generally emphasize the need for the government to solve problems. That basically means that they have less of an issue with government interference and regulations to level the playing field for all. They believe that the government should insure equality of outcome for all citizens.

Conservatives on the other hand seem to stress personal responsibility in citizens to make their own way. Conservatives believe that the role of government should be to provide people the freedom necessary to pursue their own goals and generally emphasize empowerment of the individual to solve problems. In other words, smaller, less intrusive governments.

This is probably so, though i have difficulties with the terms "liberals" or "conservatives".

Party-wise i think it is like that, in Germany:

Liberals in Germany may be compared to conservatives, while at the same embracing globalization (something not all conservatives like), and expecting a completely free and unregulated market to solve all the worlds' problems. Taxes should not be paid by rich people, since they are the source of wealth, providing jobs. They are basically a party for the upper 5 percent, or less.

The social democrats have a lot of good ideas, but they are all being stolen by Merkel. They want to support the citizens against greedy companies infringements and bad working conditions, something our government gave up long ago. They are not against capitalism, but they do not trust big companies. They have a lot of conservative-thinking people, but also include the further left wing, with a good number of nuts.
From the classical view this was the worker's party, and the only one that openly stood up and opposed Hitler back then – and paid dearly for it. They are mostly fair, think, and criticize themselves, which is why they never have a chance.

Conservatives here used to be the "classic" CDU, however Mrs Merkel just included each and every social-democratic idea in her party agenda, so that the social democrats as initiators of those ideas are by now standing in the rain, and do not know how to get out of this situation, struggling to find a clear profile. CDU is basically for a moderate government, supporting economy and not over-regulate the market. A lot of right-wing conservative voters are therefore leaving the CDU and support nut parties like the AfD and 'Pegida'. The classic conservatives are currently despairing.

The Left is the political survivor of the old GDR, and while not really being on Moscow course, they of course try to justify a lot of what Russia does - even if they should know that the latter is a dictatorship, and neither a democracy nor politically "left" in any way.