Handwriting Shock

[CTU_Clay]

The other day I was gifted to go to a friend's daughter's 16th birthday party. As she was opening gifts and cards with "gift cards" or cash enclosed, I seen her lean over to her mother and ask her to read one of the cards to the guests of the party. The birthday girl commented to all that she could not read handwriting as she was never taught handwriting in school. We live in Texas USA. :hmmm:

I guess I am just a 77 year-old "old fart" with old thoughts of things we always will need in daily adult life such as:
Signing official documents like drivers license, marriage licenses, personal checks, wills, testimonials, and the list goes on.

Mind puzzling............:hmmm:

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[Eichhörnchen]

It's a wonder they even know how to open a bloody envelope...

[vienna]

What's an envelope?...









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[mapuc]

I'm from the old school too.

I have learned to write in cursive and normal handwriting
I have also learned to read these type of writings.

There is one handwriting types I never have learned to read and that is the type of handwriting my Grandma used

I think my mom said it was gothic handwriting.

Markus

[HW3]

Does not surprise me, they have been trying to do away with cursive writing in schools in the U.S. for years. I guess one day we will be going back to making an X for your signature. It is more likely that by not teaching cursive reading and writing, the students will be unable to read our founding documents, will not know what they really say, and will be better able to be controlled by a corrupt government.

[vienna]

Not likely, since those documents already exist in printed and electronic formats of all kinds...

The real question will be not if they can read them, but will they read them...










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[Aktungbby]

MY QUESTION IS IF THEY DO NOT TEACH 'CURSIVE' HANDWRITNG... WHAT DOES OR WILL A LEGAL SIGNATURE LOOK LIKE....SUCH AS A TAX RETURN, DRIVER LICENSE, CREDIT CARD OR 'BINDING' DOCUMENT ETC! IT CAN BE VITAL AS I CHALLENGED A SECOND WILL ATTEMPT SUCCESSFULLY BECAUSE I'D NEVER SEEN MY FATHER'S DISTINCTIVE SIGNATURE- ON A SECOND WILL THAT APPEARED AFTER HIS DEATH- LOOK ANYTHING LIKE THE ONE ON THAT SECOND DOCUMENT: THE OBVIOUSLY PERIPATETIC SCRIBBLE OF A (BY THEN) DEMENTED MAN.

[Peter Cremer]

I'm from the old school too.

There is one handwriting types I never have learned to read and that is the type of handwriting my Grandma used

I think my mom said it was gothic handwriting.

Markus

About 35 years ago I saw some letters that were written by a woman in Pennsylvania at the beginning of the 20th century. I think it was called something like "cross writing". It was used to save paper. First you write a letter on a page as you normally would, then to continue the letter you turn the page 90 degrees and write across what you have already written. It saved paper but was very difficult to read.

[vienna]

That is a very good point, but I would say my signature from 25 years ago looks nothing like my signature now, and my signature from 50 years ago looks like neither of the others. As people age, they tend to see changes in their handwriting and signatures. The only practical means of verification would be to make a comparison with several other specimens from contemporaneous documents...

As far as future signatures, most likely, for the foreseeable time, signatures will be electronic; we've all seen the little signature pads on all sorts of devices where either with a stylus or a finger, you sign for whatever the transaction is: a package, a purchase, verifying identity, etc. Sometime in the farther future, we will probably rely on biometrics: fingerprint or iris scans, voice or facial recognition, or some combination of these...

The Japanese have used a form of ink stamp called a Hanko since the time of Christ; it consists of a small block of wood or other solid material carved on one end with characters giving the name, and sometimes, the position, of the bearer; the Hanko is used by pressing the carved end onto an ink block and then pressed onto the document as a signature...












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[mapuc]

Another thing

A persons personally signatur is lighter different from time to time.

I saw a documentary about this.

An expert in handwriting said a person's signatur could change from one month to the next.

Mostly it is about 99.99 % same each time.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

^ OF COURSE THE ART OF THE SIGNATURE STEMS FROM A SINGLE SOURCE AND I ALWAYS USE MY BEST PENMANSHIP AND DO IT REEEEEEAL SLOW :up: https://us-east-1.tchyn.io/snopes-production/uploads/images/history/graphics/hancocksig.jpgActually after he signed the Declaration he exclaimed, “There! John Bull can read my name without spectacles and may now double his reward of £500 for my head. That is my defiance.” WHEN YOU SIGN YOUR NAME: SUCH AS COUNTLESS APPRAISAL DOCUMENTS OR EVEN YOUR LEGALLY BINDING TRUCK LOG-SHEETS (SPEEDING TICKETS CAN BE ISSUED):doh: OR A POLICE WITNESS REPORT, YOUR WORD, REPUTATION, THE CHECKS YOU WRITE, OR THE QUALITY OF THE WORK YOU ARE ATTESTING TO IS AT STAKE AND YOUR JOHN HANCOCK OUGHT TO REFLECT THAT-NO HASTY SCRAWL IS PERMISSABLE IMHO AND FOR GOD'S SAKE, MAKE SURE IT TILTS RIGHT; I WON'T GIVE THE TIME'O DAY TO ANYONE WHO'S WRITING TILTS LEFT....THEY'RE NUTS! http://writechoice.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/left-slant-handwriting.jpg?resize=420%2C298http://www.writechoice.co.in/writechoice/2011/09/handwriting-slant-reveals-why-some-people-always-appear-cold-emotionless/ (http://www.writechoice.co.in/writechoice/2011/09/handwriting-slant-reveals-why-some-people-always-appear-cold-emotionless/) http://guest.mylivesignature.com/85/8E895E9B3FF89CD7F48EB698F424129D.pnghttps://i.imgur.com/jqOTBWX.jpg:Kaleun_Goofy:

[Reece]

I wonder if anyone uses shorthand any more?:hmmm:

[razark]

Signatures? Pshaw!
I've got my sealing wax and stamp! I don't need no signature.

What's an envelope?...
I think it's the icon that shows up when you get email.

[vienna]

What's "email"...











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[August]

Maybe they can't understand cursive but i'll bet they can type like the blazes.

[Jimbuna]

As far as future signatures, most likely, for the foreseeable time, signatures will be electronic; we've all seen the little signature pads on all sorts of devices where either with a stylus or a finger, you sign for whatever the transaction is: a package, a purchase, verifying identity, etc. Sometime in the farther future, we will probably rely on biometrics: fingerprint or iris scans, voice or facial recognition, or some combination of these...








My thoughts too :yep:

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, so true. All my kids can type like maniacs. Not sure if they can read/write cursive. I think the youngest one never learned it, or if she did, she does not like/practice it.

[AVGWarhawk]

I imagine this young lady as well as other in the same boat will not be able to decipher the Declaration of Independence and Bill of Rights as written on parchment. Well, one could say these two documents are printed in books. We can also say at one time certain books were burned. Then we could go on and say these documents are on the internet. Then we could go to say some countries control what is available on the internet or one day we are pushed back to the stone age by natural disaster. These electronic devices useless. Writing and the ability to read handwriting should always be taught IMO.

[vienna]

A thought: a handwritten version of the Subsim Forums... :hmmm:











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[Reece]

Don't threaten me!!:timeout:

[vienna]

Not even with a nice, handwritten note?... :D










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[Skybird]

I know that there are "pedagogues" who seriously recommend to not teach any writing (handwriting or letters) at school, but only typing. There are others who teach by the principle of "let them write it how they pronounce it, the correction will come by itself when they are adults". Of course, it never comes. More and more German teachers cannot correctly spell and master grammar themselves. Just 4 weeks ago or so the latest research in elementary schools in Berlin showed that a further decline in writing and math competence has materialised over the last year. Every third kid did not qualify for the recommended skill minimus in its age group. On national level, it is every fifth. Instead, more and more schools now offer Turkish as a madatory language. Sionce twenty years and longer, the low school note abwerages were tried to be pushed upwards by reucing the performance demands. And it shows. Employers and university, both complain bitterl yabiouzt the collapsing educaiton niveau of strianees and students they get. Politicians all the time babble about "equal chances" and "avoiding discrimination" instead.

Its as if at Olympia every starter would get a gold medal, no matter his performance. No loosers, please, everybody needs to be a winner. Solidarity!

A growing number of pedagogues and teachers want that school notes completely get abandoned, in fact certain notes already have been abandoned in Germany already years ago, while single schools in federal states, sometimes even all schools in that state, have abandoned or at least radically reduced whole branches like natural sciences and history. Also, a c,imate of competition should be avoided , even be prohibited. Its politically incorrect to link rewards to performances, and it forsters an anti-social, anti-solidaric climate, they say.

We are breeding and raising more and more pussycats, brought up by increasingly narcissistic helicopter-parents.

The challenges from Asian industry and Islamic ideology can not be survived by this mimosa culture. Its too weak and too impotent.

Myself, I just cannot type. The lesser evil, if you ask me. Just do not let me code software. :D