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GoldenRivet
12-07-17, 03:20 AM
I cant get enough of the older films from the 1950s, 1960s and 70s - the era produced some of the best war films in cinematic history. And why wouldn't those be the finest decades for war action drama? you've got butt kicking men's men like Lee Marvin, john Casavetes, Clint Eastwood and Telly Savalas and Steve McQueen just to name a few. When i was growing up throughout the 80's these movies were already pushing 20-30 years old, and i can remember a number of Saturday or Sunday afternoons with nothing much to do and these movies would come on TV captivating my attention countless times. Today as Hollywood focuses more attention on some sort of political message you're just not going to see a lot of these current metro-sexual actors playing roles that remotely approach filling the shoes of those from the past and short of a few recent films the story line tends to be lacking these days. So here's a list i made of some films that come to mind as ones i have enjoyed, good and bad. (SPOILERS) Feel free to add your own...

1. MORITURI (1965) - I saw this film for the first time in my life just a few years ago, and i dont know where in the hell it had been hiding out because as big a fan as i am of 60's and 70s war flicks, I'd never heard of this one. Probably because it was so poorly marketed at the time it was released which also lent to its failure at the box office. when deciding what movies to see in '65 a lot of guys didnt know what Morituri meant, and decided to skip it. In this film, legendary Marlon Brando plays the role of a German Demolitions expert who defected from Germany when the Nazis seized power and managed to do so with his finances intact. He moved to India where he lived comfortably in hiding until one day he was discovered by British intelligence. Viewing him as expendable yet possessing skills they needed they blackmail him into boarding a merchant ship disguised as an SS officer with a simple mission: disable the scuttling charges so the allies can ambush the vessel in the open pacific taking the ship and capture it's precious and rare cargo without the fear of the ship being scuttled by it's crew. The tension builds very nicely in this flick as Brando clashes with the merchant ship's commander played by Yul Brynner all the while Brando plays his role as an SS agent cooly and often thinking on his feet, but sneaking around the ship trying to locate and disable the charges without discovery sometimes with crew members right around the corner. So many twists and unexpected plot turns occur that it seems the mission is doomed to fail. ultimately the plot is discovered and the ship disabled and abandoned by the crew. Yul Brynner and Marlon Brando stay with the ship, in the last scene the two are seen on the foredeck of the badly listing ship. With the ship in ruins, their rivalry is pointless and they begin to converse about the disillusion that Yul Brynner feels as he is torn by his sense of patriotism for Germany and his growing disappointment with the Nazi leadership. Brando asks for Brynner to fire off a message to the allies directing them to the ships location so he can complete his mission and be rescued by the American and British forces. Brynner walks away in disgust at his situation without responding to Brando's request. the credits begin to roll to the sound of Morse code as the ship is seen floating in a vast sea. That's one thing i like about this film, you dont know what the message says or who it was sent for. it leaves you to make up your own mind and a lot of movies these days do the thinking for you which drives me insane.

2. AMBUSH BAY (1966) - if ever you wanted to make a film that made special forces guys look like a bunch of holier than thou ass hats, you would have written ambush bay. This film tells the story of the final mission of what is arguably the worst special recon detachment in USMC history. Their mission is to link up with an agent in the Philippines who has crucial intelligence which could affect the outcome of Macarthur's looming invasion. The film starts off by introducing each member of the team and detailing their special abilities in narrator voice over style. The radio operator played by James Mitchum (Robert Mitchum's son but probably really his clone) joined the troop at the last minute due to the "real" radio guy being sick. The movie is less about sneaking through the jungle and killing Japanese soldiers - which these guys suck at - and more about treating this young radio operator like absolute crap. The entire team just belittles and chides this radio man relentlessly. Give the kid a break, he is an air force radio operator and has been in the PTO for a few months... you guys were killing Japanese when this kid was nervous about kissing girls. All the poor guy wants is to know what the mission is and all the team does is ridicule him and make him feel stupid. An entire scene focuses on the team teasing him about scented foot powder. Finally after the leader of the team says Mitchum cant know the mission and thats final, Mickey Rooney, a full foot shorter than the rest of the marines just walks up and tells the whole mission to the kid with his commander standing right there... and nobody cares that he just went over his CO's head. what? besides that half the recon team is killed in the first 20 minutes of the film. AMBUSH BAY contains perhaps one of the most ridiculous scenes ever written into a war film: Wounded Micky Rooney stays behind as the Japanese pursue the team. he sabotages his body with explosives and when the Japanese stumble upon him they are too far away to blow up. oops... So what does lil Micky Rooney do? with all the logic of an 8 year old playing army in the back yard he says; "Hey guys... come a little closer." what happens next is implausible even in 60's Hollywood - in reality the response would have been a Japanese Lieutenant's ordering his men to execute Rooney where he lay near death. yet Rooney lures a whole Japanese squad so close that a 90 year old man with a UTI could have peed on him - just by asking nicely for them to come closer. The entire Japanese squad slowly leans in on Rooney as if he is about to whisper some kind of secret, and... he activates the explosives killing them all and himself in the process. What? no wonder we won that war. apparently all we had to do is find the shortest, least threatening guys, strap explosives to them and sit them in the Jungle beckoning Japanese patrols to "please come over here". You almost expect the special forces troop to start shouting "i got you you're dead!" mid firefight to which the Japanese respond "No! you missed you missed!" additional runner ups for most ridiculous scenes in war movie history come later in the film. not only do the remaining two marines casually trot into the Japanese naval base they are sent to sabotage - in broad daylight - while the Japanese are distracted fighting a fire, but after the sabotage is completed under heavy machine gun fire, the last remaining man is next seen causally walking down a beach to an extraction point? How the hell did he escape? what happened? We went from under attack in the base, to a stroll on the beach? why are there so many plot holes? you really can't pick this one apart, the budget was so low the marine recon team was outfitted by the costume department with duck hunting suits simply based on no other merit than that they kinda looked like WW2 marine camouflage - no kidding. ... its fun to sit and tease this flick.

3. THE BLUE MAX (1966) - This film focuses on Bruno Stachel (played by George Peppard of A-team fame) a German soldier fighting in the trenches of world war I who decides crawling around in the muck of no-mans-land kinda sucks so he decides to be a fighter pilot. He completes pilot training and joins a fighter wing with the goal of winning a medal called the blue max for which the film is named. coming from such humble beginnings he immediately has to prove himself to the rest of the aristocratic aviators. Bruno is fast on his way to achieving his lofty goal when he becomes acquainted with a field marshal who wants to use his story as an inspiring bit of propaganda for the people back home as well as the front line troops. Gaining popularity Peppard's character wins the coveted blue max medal and beds down Ursula Andress (I love it when a plan comes together!). Unfortunately for Peppard, Andress was the field marshal's main squeeze and this understandably pisses him off. The film concludes with the Field Marshal encouraging Bruno to test fly a revolutionary new monoplane in a demonstration. After the field marshall is warned that the airplane is not ready for the structural stress of combat maneuvers and the pilot should conduct a simple demonstration flight, the field marshal encourages Bruno "Show us some *real* flying up there today." Bruno puts the plane through its paces by looping and rolling and conducting twisting tight turns which causes the airplane to fall apart mid flight killing Bruno Stachel and ending the film. The great thing about the film is the rivalry that Bruno has with his fellow pilots, his constant feeling of needing to prove himself worthy and his chasing after glory proves to be his white whale... aside from that the flying sequences are all completed by real airplanes and skilled stunt pilots, they are tangible things that are real... not this CGI we have today and you just dont get that in movies anymore, everything feels so fake.

4. BATTLE OF BRITAIN (1969) - Many movies have tried to tell the story of the events of the battle of Britain, things that went wrong, tactical errors and successes, how so few allied pilots were able to fight off the unstoppable hoard of German fighters and bombers, but no movie does it more flawlessly, perfectly and completely as BATTLE OF BRITAIN does. There are too many big UK actors in this one to really mention them all, but the thing that really sets battle of Britain apart is the flying scenes. almost all of the film's budget went into finding, obtaining, and restoring to flying condition authentic world war two era aircraft. Though some camera trickery was involved in replicating the same aircraft numerous times in the same shot to simulate mass formations of German Bombers - many - in fact nearly ALL of the airplanes conducting massive on camera battles were real planes flown by incredibly skilled stunt pilots in massive choreographed dogfights. It has been stated by numerous sources, that this film used so many aircraft it was equivalent to the 35th largest air force in the world in 1969. There is not a single production company in operation today that could do this without going broke long before anything hit screen, let alone before a trailer could even be made for the film. and Battle of Britain would go down as one of the very last films to use such large numbers of real airplanes. The film really gives you a sense of British desperation. The battle of Britain took place as a German preparation to operation seelowe - the two pronged German invasion of England. 1940 saw the British dangerously close to losing WW2 pretty early in the fight. The German plan consisted of a landing on the British east coast using troops staging from Norway, and a second landing from northern France landing in the southern end of England. The goal of the two prong attack was not only to divide British defense forces but to encircle London and establish a massive foothold on southeastern England. With the U-boat war in full swing starving England of supplies, the Germans could have succeeded, the only thing stopping them was dominance of the airspace over England. Their plan was devilishly simple attack British airfields and fuel centers and leave the Royal air force stranded on the ground. If successful, the Wehrmacht's battle hardened soldiers could have overtaken southern England within a matter of several weeks fighting. The British strategy was equally simple, fight them off to the last man and buy time to prepare for invasion. The big break came during a night attack when a German bomber accidentally bombed a civilian housing district which kicked off a back and forth of bombing civilian targets. This caused the German's to refocus their attacks on terror tactics and civilian bombing and allowed the RAF to gain strength. In the end the German air force suffered heavy losses, failed their objective and the invasion of England was cancelled. BATTLE OF BRITIAN demonstrates the desperation and confusion of the battle perfectly and there will probably never be a film that uses real aircraft to the same scale.

5. 12 O'CLOCK HIGH - (1949) this film wasnt made in the 60-70s obviously but deserves honorable mention. Upon America's entry into World War Two, American bombers took up residence in airfields throughout England. The plan for crushing the Nazi war machine focused on round the clock bombing missions and the only way to do this was to send bombers over heavily defended targets all day and night. The problem with this is that the British had more or less abandoned daylight bombing because of the high losses and dismissed it as impractical. American Generals, supposedly after several pints of bitters, threw caution to the wind and agreed to the suicide mission that daylight bombing raids represented in world war 2, not only that but each man agreed to a tour of duty of 25 such suicide missions. Apparently nobody informed them that you really only get just the one suicide mission. 12 O'CLOCK HIGH has one of the most curious introductions of a world war two films i have seen. A man named Harvey Stovall who is visiting London years after the war is walking down the street when in the shop window he sees something familiar... a one of a kind Robin Hood Toby mug sitting in the window. he buys the junky little mug for next to nothing and insists that the shopkeeper wrap it as a rare and valuable collectible. He then boards a train and rides out to the country side wandering into a cattle field looking around deep in thought. as the camera pans out it is revealed that he is standing on the long abandoned ruins of archbury army airfield used during world war two. He becomes lost in his memories of his time spent there as an officer in the US Army Air Force. he recalls the difficulties his unit faced, and how the introduction of a bold new commander played by Gregory Peck really turned the unit's morale around and made them into one of the most successful bomber groups of the war. During the film we see the Robin hood Toby mug on the mantle of the officer's club fireplace with its face turned toward the wall... on the eve of each new mission, Harvey Stovall walks into the crowded officers club and turns the mug so that its face gazes upon the men causing the officers mess to often fall silent. The missions continue with Gregory Peck's character leading each trip over enemy territory until the squadron is ready to go it on their own often downplaying the stresses of combat until one day he falls nearly catatonic with combat fatigue causing a relief pilot to fly in his place. he remains in this state until the bombers return from a successful mission... the men he has worked so hard to train have achieved success without him. Relieved that they are successful he collapses into his bed exhausted. Pilots back then were a different breed... there wasnt any CGI in 1949 so if you wanted to crash a plane in a movie you had two options. 1) use footage of real plane crashes where guys died in real combat or 2) load up, take off, turn on the cameras and crash a plane on purpose just hard enough that you might live. 12 O'CLOCK HIGH does both. Paul Mantz who is probably the most famous... no.. THE most famous test pilot hollywood ever knew conducted a crash landing of a fully operational B-17 bomber just because the script says so. Later that day a sample of his sweat was taken and later marketed as old spice. Honestly speaking... USAAF crew who viewed the film said that over the years it has remained the most accurate account of what life was like for them during world war two, and the film is often shown at the United States Air Force Academy tho showcase and highlight elements of leadership. Since the first time i saw this film... i have always wanted one of those Robin Hood Toby Mugs (which i now have a replica, the real mug used in filming was apparently stolen and never seen again) 12 O'CLOCK HIGH remains one of my all time favorite movies.

Eichhörnchen
12-07-17, 05:50 AM
I have fond memories of dark winter afternoons by the fire as a kid, watching movies like Von Ryan's Express and The Train ("I sink I saw somesing") with Mum & Dad... and I loved thick-ear stuff like Garrison's Guerillas, so I enjoyed the Dirty Dozen series too, even though they were nonsense.

Now whenever we go to visit my in-laws they always seem to be sat watching a 50s Western or a war film, and the last time we went they were watching "Counterfeit Commandos" (apparently the inspiration behind "Inglorious Bastuerds"). I'd never seen this... an Italian movie I think... it was daft yet hugely enjoyable in that nostalgic way: although it was made quite late on it still has that same almost madcap quality. Here's a link:

http://www.radiotimes.com/film/cvxxy/counterfeit-commandos/

And I also remember Mickey Rooney luring those Japanese soldiers to their fate in that movie you described; I guess you just have to consider that it was of its time too, and the audience (and maybe the film-makers) weren't as hard-bitten as they are now. After all, we wouldn't put up with fake Tiger tanks and dodgy armoued cars these days either, the way we did we did back then.

STEED
12-07-17, 06:20 AM
Cross of Iron 1977
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074695/

Eichhörnchen
12-07-17, 06:29 AM
I won't hog the 'favourites' list, except to also mention "Anzio" and "Operation Crossbow"

Jimbuna
12-07-17, 06:45 AM
All those you mentioned above John but a great many others also.

Without taking up too much thought I'd add two naval classics, Sink the Bismarck and Battle of the River Plate.

Nobody mentioned John Wayne or Audie Murphy yet? :hmmm:

Sailor Steve
12-07-17, 03:10 PM
Tora! Tora! Tora!

The Longest Day

Battle Of Britain

PT-109

Wings (1927 -winner of the very first Best Picture Oscar)

Das Boot

From the '60s? The Train


Concerning The Blue Max. I still love the film, but long ago I read the book, which has a far different, and to my mind much more interesting ending. This last year I read the two sequels, The Blood Order and The Tin Cravat. Fun reading all.

mapuc
12-07-17, 03:56 PM
Some years ago a friend of mine asked me which War movie was my favorite

I replied with-In which category ?

I know when it comes to war movies there ain't no category, it's something I have developed by myself

War movie related to the sea

1. Das Boot
2. Battle of midway
3. Sink the Bismarck
4. Tora Tora Tora

War movies related to the air

1 Battle of Britain

War movie related to land

1. D-day
2. A bridge too far

humorous war movie

1. Kelly's Heroes

And a lot more.

Markus

fireftr18
12-07-17, 06:07 PM
A lot of great old movies mentioned.
In addition to those mentioned:

The Enemy Below
To Hell and Back
The Longest Day

Going new movies:
Hacksaw Ridge
Dunkirk

Although technically not movies, I'm adding them anyway
Band of Brothers
The Pacific

Comedy:
MASH
Dirty Dozen

Eisenwurst
12-07-17, 06:16 PM
"Captain Horatio Hornblower" 1951 with Gregory Peck in the lead role.

What a fine actor he was.

Commander Wallace
12-07-17, 06:19 PM
Lots of good movies listed like Das Boot and the Enemy Below. I would add Run Silent, Run Deep, U-571, Torpedo alley, We Dive at Dawn, Torpedo Run, The Bridge at Ramagen and A Bridge too far.

Rockstar
12-07-17, 08:42 PM
Full Metal Jacket

The Hill

Stalingrad (though on youtube I hear actors speak German then translation in Russian with English subtitles :doh:)

Gerald
12-07-17, 10:01 PM
Where Eagles Dare

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0065207/

MaDef
12-07-17, 10:42 PM
My top ten in alphabetical order:

Apocalypse Now (1979)
The Big Red One (1980)
Casablanca (1942)
Fury (2014)
Hacksaw Ridge (2016)
The Wall (2017)
Patton (1970)
Tears of the Sun (2003)
Windtalkers (2002)
We Were Soldiers (2002)

Nippelspanner
12-08-17, 01:44 AM
There's no favorite, but I want to mention Saving Private Ryan for the following reason.

That movie was a revolution.

Never before did a movie portray infantry combat in such a realistic and gritty way, without being unbelievable/over the top or flat out corny.
While many of the infantry tactics in the movie on the German side are flat out ridiculous to non-existent, this movie still works and I will never forget the scene during the landing when the first landing craft's hatch came down and a single MG42 just wiped out half the men inside. My jaw dropped and I felt that this is probably the most authentic depiction of warfare ever to be put on film. Compare this with the laughable shooting paratroopers of The Longest Day in the St. Mere-Eglise scene for example, it's almost a parody.

The old movies do not really work for me regarding combat. It all looks fake as hell, they used to die in a overly dramatic fashion (you know, the "I-hold-my-chest-and-sink-to-my-knees-dying-101") and also the costumes and gear used were, mostly, laughable - for very understandable reasons, but that won't help the final product.

SPR changed it all.
It put you right there like nothing else before and nothing else since then, except of course Band of Brothers and later The Pacific, which had more or less the same guys behind them, so that's why.

I guess if I would have to pick, SPR would be it indeed, at least for infantry combat stuff. Naval would be Das Boot followed by Tora! Tora! Tora!, which is so incredible on so many levels.
Heck, they even build a Nagato battleship prop! :o

Honorable mention goes to Stalingrad (1993).

Aktungbby
12-08-17, 11:20 AM
The Dawn Patrol; Objective: Burma; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1o_UAwXWc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I1o_UAwXWc) Merrill's Marauders https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz8ZJAjvX5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz8ZJAjvX5w):Kaleun_Salute: Hey I'm an Errol Flynn fan and both my cats are Burmese:hmmm:

Steiger
12-08-17, 01:06 PM
I dunno if you guys are intentionally trying to not be cliche, but...
Das Boot, anyone?

Catfish
12-08-17, 01:59 PM
^ Das Boot was already mentioned by Mapuc.

I would like to add the newish "Master and commander", not a tyoical war film but very well made.
OT The underlying books by Patrick O'Brian are excellent b.t.w., and interested readers learn a lot about sailing and manoeuvering those square rigged ships.

em2nought
12-08-17, 02:12 PM
Though I’ve belted you and flayed you,
By the livin’ Gawd that made you,
You’re a better man than I am, Gunga Din!

if Scotland would offer a citizenship to anyone who would volunteer to march around Edinburgh with an SMLE and a kilt following a piper three days a week I think they could field a battalion of "home guard" for tourism purposes. :yeah:

And "Prisoner of War" films it goes to Stalag 17 just barely squeaking by The Great Escape. I guess I like unlikely heroes. Ach so!

Oh, and "The Four Feathers" the 1939 version, another unlikely hero film.

GoldenRivet
12-08-17, 02:46 PM
Paths of Glory - starring Kirk Douglass, directed by Stanley Kubrick - Kirk Douglas plays the role of a colonel who serves as a defense attorney for three men who are put on a show-trial accused of desertion. A command staff General issues orders to an entire division to assault a heavily defended German position, initially the orders are questioned as a suicide assault with a 100% casualty rate expected and cannot serve any logical purpose toward the overall winning of the war. The mission eventually takes place under the orders of the division commander after noting the potential for a promotion and almost the entire division is killed or wounded and the mission is a complete failure. 100 men are initially sought to be charged with desertion, however the command staff is talked into charging three men, one from each unit involved in the attack. The trial takes place with it clear that the court has already made up its mind as to the guilt of the three men despite the colonel's best efforts to argue their legitimate case. Eventually, the three men, (one of whom remains grievously wounded and bound to a stretcher) are found guilty of desertion and are executed by firing squad much to the disgust of Kirk Duglas's Character Col. Dax.

great movie

Mr Quatro
12-08-17, 03:06 PM
My favorite in fact I just watched this one Saturday on an old movie station on Dish ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Csv1wXOr5tY

GoldenRivet
12-08-17, 04:59 PM
great scene

u crank
12-08-17, 06:24 PM
Haven't seen any listed I don't like. A few not mentioned that I like ..

The Thin Red Line

Memphis Belle

The Cruel Sea

The Bridge on the River Kwai

Rescue Dawn


I would like to add the newish "Master and commander", not a typical war film but very well made.


Excellent movie and very much a favorite. I bought it and have watched it many times.:up:

Buddahaid
12-08-17, 06:33 PM
All excellent choices.

I'll add 'Hell in the Pacific' for a walk on choice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=915&v=V4SV6PVWd3A

Plus, "They Were Expendable'.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9UOGeaxU8c

Eisenwurst
12-09-17, 01:50 AM
"What Did You Do In The War Daddy?"

Quite a few laughs in this one. Good cast too.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jqH2ElAdMg

Actually, I quite like "The Train" too.

Here's the trailer:-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3OlJOmOJQ4

Commander Wallace
12-09-17, 01:15 PM
As Buddahaid and others have said, excellent choices. After some thought, in addition to the movies I mentioned, I thought " the guns of Navarone " and it's sequel, " Force 10 from Navarone were good as well.

Jimbuna
12-10-17, 10:29 AM
Prior to both world wars but I think Zulu and Zulu Dawn are up there with some of the best.

mako88sb
12-10-17, 04:10 PM
A few not mentioned yet.

Battleground:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lu9ZusRNiI

Thirty Seconds over Tokyo:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AFt_SiMz8o

The Hunley:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPdIvVKtfNA

nikimcbee
12-11-17, 12:54 PM
Run Silent, Run Deep.

Guadalcanal Diary.


Second to Operation Burma.

fumo30
12-11-17, 01:07 PM
Das Boot

Ôzora no samurai 1976 - Japanese movie about Zero pilots.

mako88sb
12-11-17, 01:50 PM
A few more:

Hell is for Heroes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUYMAD3pGGI

THE BRIDGES AT TOKO-RI(I was pretty young when I first saw this, 6 or 7 and I was pretty shocked at the ending. My dad told me that's the way it is often in war. Not always the ending you would want)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF-SC-9b7tc

The Sand Pebbles(German dubbing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIxTruxPbdk

Sailor Steve
12-12-17, 01:34 AM
There's no favorite, but I want to mention Saving Private Ryan for the following reason.
That movie was a revolution.

I'm not arguing with you, just discussing different points of view. I didn't like the movie that much, because for me it started with one big cliché. The instant the soldier was saved by his helmet he took it off and stuck his finger in the hole. My immediate thought was "...wait for it...". When the medics were fighting to save the one soldier I guessed correctly that he was about to be hit in the head and killed. The whole D-Day sequence seemed that way to me, and from there it was all downhill.

My late friend Rocky loved the film, partly because his dad served on a couple of those extraction teams, and partly because his youngest uncle lied about his age and managed to join up at age 14, and one of those extraction teams tracked him down and brought him home.

Compare this with the laughable shooting paratroopers of The Longest Day in the St. Mere-Eglise scene for example, it's almost a parody.

On the other hand, many years ago I showed The Longest Day to a young friend, one who had just seen Saving Private Ryan in the theatre, and after the scene with Pips Priller and wingman strafing soldiers on the beach his reaction was "Man, this is a bloody movie!" I had to point out that there was almost no blood in the movie. He said he hadn't noticed.
...followed by Tora! Tora! Tora!, which is so incredible on so many levels.
My preferences tend toward movies that tell real events and leave out the bonus bogus crap. Which is why I love Tora! Tora! Tora! but hate Midway and especially Pearl Harbor and U-571.

On the other hand I would like to mention one of the most underrated war films of all time - Battleground (1949). It tells the story of the Battle of the Bulge, not from the commanders' viewpoint, but from that of a group of soldiers who are isolated by snow and fog and beset, not by marauding German troops, but by propaganda leaflets urging them to surrender and "American" soldiers they don't recognize and may or may not be the enemy, but they are never quite sure. It's an eye-opener for story-telling and surreal battle scenes, and one that no one should miss.

em2nought
12-12-17, 01:53 AM
On the other hand I would like to mention one of the most underrated war films of all time - Battleground (1949).

:up: (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDQvYE8sbc8)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nDQvYE8sbc8

Von Due
12-18-17, 09:47 AM
Only 2 war movies stood out for me, or are they anti war movies?

Unknown Soldier (Finland, both versions have their merits), despite me preferring the book it is still an honest look at what its like to be a guy in his 20's with little reason to admire his officers, and rather being more concerned about staying alive and keeping his sanity. The lack of a main character adds to the plausibility.

Das Boot. What's there to say? Just solid through and through.

vienna
12-18-17, 02:46 PM
Has anyone mentioned Lawrence Of Arabia, yet?...






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Rockstar
12-18-17, 06:30 PM
Oh man Lawrence of Arabia is my all time favorite. I can't count the number of times I've watched it and every time I still enjoy it.

I'm watching another oldie but goody on YouTube right now. 'Waterloo' (1970) with Rod Steiger, Orsen Wells, Christopher Plummer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH2BZgbbKjI

vienna
12-18-17, 07:06 PM
When DVDs first came on the market, I looked forward to seeing LofA on DVD. There used to be a Tower Video store (part of Tower Records) on the Sunset Strip and there was a clerk there who was a big movie buff. After the first films on DVD started t arrive, I looked to see if LofA was among the releases. The clerk and I started a sort of routine: "LofA in yet?" "No, but Police Academy 3 (or some other low-scale film) just arrived..."; it seemed almost every other major and/or important film was being released, along with the dregs, except LofA...

I hope you got the chance to see it in a real theater on a real big screen. The first time I saw it was when it opened in 1962; the father of a classmate of mine was a projectionist at a major theater in downtown San Francisco and he invited me to tag along with his son to see the film; we watched the film form the projection booth (actually saw it twice that day) and I was hooked on the film ever since. The last time I saw it in a theater was a special showing at the Cinerama Dome theater in Hollywood a while back on a really big screen, 32 x 86 feet:


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8d/Hollywood_Cinerama_Dome.jpg/440px-Hollywood_Cinerama_Dome.jpg


https://www.arclightcinemas.com/learn-more/dome-21


I've also viewed the film many, many times and it never gets old...







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STEED
12-18-17, 07:11 PM
^Yep a good one Waterloo. :up:

Skybird
12-18-17, 07:39 PM
Private Ryan was good, I think Band of Brothers was better: it lacked the pathos that Spielberg could not escape to throw in at the end, else was made with the same technical craftsmanship and is quite realistic, I assume, at least it is uncompromingly brutal. Also, their cast was a winner, very believably they borught their characters to life.

Completley different, more a meditation of the light and darkness in life, was The Thin Red Line by Terrence Malick. That one really went through and into me like a bullet.

The old black and white German movie Die Brücke, bei Bernhard Wicki. Looks today as if it fell out of time, but still gets its message across.

I think one should at least differentiate between movies on war, which necessarily cannot be any comfortable, and (often adventure) movies whose plot takes place in times of a war. What an anti-war movie should be, I never really understood, although it took me some time to realise that lacking understanding of mine. :)

When I was young I saw sometimes quite good blakc and white Sovjet movies on the big war, in West Berin we had good receiving possibilties for GDR TV that boradcasted the originals, mostly in Russian sound with German subtitles. Some of them really were very good and poetic, not the propaganda broadside that ioen woudl expect when heareing "Sovjet movies". The Russians and Czechs made quite some good movies that I remember. My pity is I do not remember the titles. - Of course, like in Hollywood there also was a lot of shallow, stereotypical propaganda stuff produced in the USSR. I often switched off or changed the channel as well. But some Russian war movies really were good, fragile, humane. If only I would know those titles. Three or four movies on my mind. I fear they are lost in time to me.

Rockstar
12-18-17, 07:55 PM
Unfortunately I never was able to see Lawrence of Arabia on the big screen, I can only imagine how awe-inspiring some of those panoramic scenes of the desert must of been. I envy you, getting to see that movie where it was meant to be seen.

I think the first time I saw was in early '70's on AF(a)RTS when we were living in the Panama Canal Zone. I got the DVD years ago and still have it tucked away watching it at least once a year.

Waterloo was good, next up, ZULU!

STEED
12-18-17, 07:59 PM
next up, ZULU!

Don't jump the gun, this one first..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQSPg-um7QA

vienna
12-18-17, 08:08 PM
Unfortunately I never was able to see Lawrence of Arabia on the big screen, I can only imagine how awe-inspiring some of those panoramic scenes of the desert must of been. I envy you, getting to see that movie where it was meant to be seen.

I think the first time I saw was in early '70's on AF(a)RTS when we were living in the Panama Canal Zone. I got the DVD years ago and still have it tucked away watching it at least once a year.

Waterloo was good, next up, ZULU!

At the time LofA came out, it was one of the longest movies ever released and all those scenes of arid, vast deserts made the run on the concession stands during intermission a race to get to the drinks first. It was either Bob Hope or Johnny Carson who gave a succinct review of the film: "Four hours in a sand trap"...






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Eisenwurst
12-19-17, 02:48 AM
"A thousand years ago" eh? Seems like only yesterday.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F00yWR000fE

Without giving too much of the plot away, Balaam battles 3 enemies.

Namely himself, his nemesis Huanac Kel, and everyone's favorite bald guy Yul Brynner.

Great battle scene, apparently a lot of guys were sadly hurt/killed during the filming.