Disgusting act of cruelty

[Reece]

http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/horse-put-down-after-found-shot-in-the-side-with-two-arrows-at-fannie-bay-equestrian-club/news-story/a58a17fb6ca54f55cb7cb41c6826cf54

This is just plain cruel and nasty, I certainly hope they catch the culprits.:nope:

[darius359au]

They got the teen that did it ,handed himself in ,but looks like he might get a smack on the wrist at most :nope::nope:
http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/teen-wont-face-jail-time-over-horse-shooting/news-story/a2837e5f6d0a2f02fe12309997efb861

[Commander Wallace]

Disgusting doesn't even begin to cover this. Why would anyone want to do anything this nasty and inflict pain and suffering on any living creature. It appears now that Pearly and another horse were shot together as they were buddies.

Quote: Ms Davidge said Hollywood and Pearly were best mates and were likely together when they were shot.

http://www.ntnews.com.au/news/northern-territory/second-horse-found-shot/news-story/d8c5646d3604aef1e222f57f99fede70

Sadly, Pearl had to be put down. :nope::Kaleun_Mad:

[Reece]

So annoying that the person, although only 17, isn't even going to appear in court, some justice system!! :/\\!!

[ikalugin]

What are the local animal protection laws like?

[Reece]

Since 2 much loved horses I would say "not much", I don't know, it might depend on the State, certainly it is against the law to harm a native/protected animal.:hmmm:

[ikalugin]

I just wonder - did that person break the law and if so, what does the law prescribe?

[STEED]

No end to the acts of cruelty to animals and humans.


Slightly different subject..

There was a hit and run around my way a few weeks ago, a woman in her 70's was knocked down and died on the spot while the culprit drove off and is still at large. Hope the police find the person.


Back on subject..

Laws in the UK on animal cruelty are a wash out but I hear they maybe toughening up by how much who can tell.

[Platapus]

I hope they watch these individuals. Cruelty to animals can lead to humans.

[Aktungbby]

As a YMCA asst. camp horse director(of 20 rescued horses) at age eighteen myself-I thinks a seventeen year old should be made to 'pony up' and learn the arrow of his ways: he should be given the 'Sebastian' treatmenthttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1a/Sebastia.jpg/215px-Sebastia.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sebastia.jpg)...with arrows dipped in horse dung for good measure. :Kaleun_Mad:

[August]

Having to put the horse down seems extreme given the animal was still able to stand. A case of not wanting to spend the money on an expensive operation maybe?

[mapuc]

I feel such a pain when I read stuff like this.

I don't like violence or to harm other people or animal.

I do sometime start remembering what my dad use to tell me

My fathers story:
"When I was young and I did something which wasn't so clever, I knew I would get red strips on my behind from my fathers belt."

I felt some kind of disgusting when I heard these stories. ´cause violent have never solved problems

However I have to confessed that I, when reading these stories, feel that a god old beating would maybe learn these people to behave, but I only feel this a little bit.

Markus

[ikalugin]

Yet you visit a forum about making people drown slowly by torpedoing the ship that they are on?

[Delgard]

To take a young innocent is not right. Domesticated animals are just that. But, some young are not so innocent.

[Commander Wallace]

Yet you visit a forum about making people drown slowly by torpedoing the ship that they are on?


You are comparing game (s) that although predicated on things that in really happened to acts of cruelty in real life. There is no comparison.



Markus didn't say anything wrong.

[Sean C]

It seems that more often than not, due to the nature of our prison system and the prisons themselves, people come out as worse criminals than when they went in. The harsh treatment they experience within (however well deserved) and the company of the dregs of society appears to have the opposite of a rehabilitative effect. Perhaps this jurisdiction recognizes this and is trying another way to guide those who are just beginning their criminal career back onto the right path.

Don't get me wrong...I believe those who torture and kill innocent beings such as children and animals belong in the lowest circle of hell. But, if there is a chance to turn them around by trying something other than what we've been doing, then I'm all for giving it a shot. Sometimes people who do evil things just haven't had anyone in their life who cared enough to show them how to deal with their problems. If, however, they turn out to be real psychopaths...well, then I say: to hell with them. Lock 'em up and throw away the key or just relieve the planet of them altogether.

Just my 2¢.

[Reece]

They do have juvenile detention centers here in Australia, he should atleast spend some time there!!:yep: My 2¢.

[ikalugin]

You are comparing game (s) that although predicated on things that in really happened to acts of cruelty in real life. There is no comparison.



Markus didn't say anything wrong.
Ahh, he didn't say anything wrong, because that would require him to break moral or legal code, I merely point out that in both cases the nature of his experience is the same - he experiences violence indirectly, through the medium.

[Commander Wallace]

Ahh, he didn't say anything wrong, because that would require him to break moral or legal code, I merely point out that in both cases the nature of his experience is the same - he experiences violence indirectly, through the medium.


They are most certainly not the same. One is a game and the other is real. Should one be held accountable by legal statutes and / or moral codes if one engages in video game playing and destroys a fictional character ? If by playing a Computer PC game and destroying ships and the like and no one in real life is harmed, where is the harm ? I might remind you that you are also member of this forum like Markus and have also destroyed your fair share of ships.

[ikalugin]

They are most certainly not the same. One is a game and the other is real. Should one be held accountable by legal statutes and / or moral codes if one engages in video game playing and destroys a fictional character ? If by playing a Computer PC game and destroying ships and the like and no one in real life is harmed, where is the harm ? I might remind you that you are also member of this forum like Markus and have also destroyed your fair share of ships.
One is a news article depicting a real event while the other is a computer game depicting a real event. Both are informational medium. My point was knitpicking his statement in the sense that his phrasing implied that informational medium rather than event itself made him feel pain.

And no, one should not be penalised for consuming informational medium.

[Commander Wallace]

One is a news article depicting a real event while the other is a computer game depicting a real event. Both are informational medium. My point was knitpicking his statement in the sense that his phrasing implied that informational medium rather than event itself made him feel pain.

And no, one should not be penalised for consuming informational medium.


Wrong again. One is " a news article reporting a real life event. " i.e a defenseless horse being cruelly shot and killed with an arrow that was minding it's own business and that should have been safe in it's own compound. Markus wasn't phrasing anything except in your mind. You are saying the shooting of a horse was " depicted ? " Further, why " knitpick " at all ?

With regards to consuming informational medium, in years past, Soviet Russia " penalized " it's masses most severely for " consuming " any news except that from Pravda, Tass or any other officially sanctioned news outlets.

[ikalugin]

Wrong again. One is " a news article reporting a real life event. " i.e a defenseless horse being cruelly shot and killed with an arrow that was minding it's own business and that should have been safe in it's own compound. Markus wasn't phrasing anything except in your mind. You are saying the shooting of a horse was " depicted ? " Further, why " knitpick " at all ?

With regards to consuming informational medium, in years past, Soviet Russia " penalized " it's masses most severely for " consuming " any news except that from Pravda, Tass or any other officially sanctioned news outlets.
Sure, as he did not experience the event directly, same way he did not experience sinking merchant ships (though, to be correct, those are my assumptions rather than established facts).

And yet USSR no longer exists, nor do I support such a policy, hence I am not sure how that is relevant, except possibly as a veiled character assasination?

[mapuc]

Thank you for your reply to my comments.

I understand ikalugin's point of view.

However he doesn't know my own ROE-Which was very simpel-No attack against civilian ships.

Only attacking warship and merchant.(Merchant was, as I saw it, a part of the navy/military) and those who worked on a merchant did this freely, they wasn't forced to and they knew what could happen.

Furthermore I'm a pacifist, not 100 %, ´cause if someone threaten my mom, sisters, nephew, niece I would neutralise the threat. Not killing the person, only neutralise. and only doing as much harm, until he isn't a threat anymore.

When it comes to animal, I feel pain and helplessness, when I read stories like this one. about 0,001 % of me think that a good old beating would learn these people to behave, while the other 99.999 % of me, know beating isn't the solution, other things must be done, so the person learn to respect all living, even animal in the future.

Markus

[Commander Wallace]

Sure, as he did not experience the event directly, same way he did not experience sinking merchant ships (though, to be correct, those are my assumptions rather than established facts).

And yet USSR no longer exists, nor do I support such a policy, hence I am not sure how that is relevant, except possibly as a veiled character assasination?


Rest assured, It was certainly not a character assassination, veiled or otherwise. I have found some of your posts to be informative and insightful. You had said in post # 20 and I quote: " And no, one should not be penalized for consuming informational medium. "

I merely pointed out in Soviet Russia that news in Russia was limited to what Tass or Pravda told the citizenry there. Western news, clothes, music and other consumables were forbidden there except to the party elite and those connected through black markets or other means. I was simply commenting on what you said. Under Putin, little has changed there as people who challenge the Putin Govt usually don't meet with a good ending. Then again, Putin was KGB.

With regards to Markus not experiencing the horse being shot, what possible difference could that make ? The rest of us who commented in this section of the forum including you and myself didn't experience it either but you chose to single out Markus and question him and his feelings on it. That's why I took offense. Markus simply voiced what we all were thinking and saying.

As far as sinking merchant ships, how does that differ from slaying dragons or other fictional characters ? It's well established sinking merchant ships is what U-boats did. If one is going for realism in their game play, that's what they do. For crying out loud, it's a game and nothing more.

You may want to consider since this is an International forum and people here come from all corners of this world that it's easy for things to get lost in translation.


Thank you for your reply to my comments.

I understand ikalugin's point of view.

However he doesn't know my own ROE-Which was very simpel-No attack against civilian ships.

Only attacking warship and merchant.(Merchant was, as I saw it, a part of the navy/military) and those who worked on a merchant did this freely, they wasn't forced to and they knew what could happen.

Furthermore I'm a pacifist, not 100 %, ´cause if someone threaten my mom, sisters, nephew, niece I would neutralise the threat. Not killing the person, only neutralise. and only doing as much harm, until he isn't a threat anymore.

When it comes to animal, I feel pain and helplessness, when I read stories like this one. about 0,001 % of me think that a good old beating would learn these people to behave, while the other 99.999 % of me, know beating isn't the solution, other things must be done, so the person learn to respect all living, even animal in the future.

Markus


Markus, you certainly don't need to trouble or explain yourself for how you play your games. That's your business. The same goes for how you feel on a certain subject as your opinion along with Ikalugin's and that of everyone else is just as important and relevant as the others.

You had mentioned respect Markus and I largely felt Ikalugin wasn't respecting your viewpoint or you for that matter. You are right in what you said and a little respect goes a long way. Thanks for weighing in.


Enough said.

[ikalugin]

Good to hear that it is not an attack.

However the Soviet period is essentially irrelevant in this regard as I was born in 1992 and missed it.

As to the current time line it is easy to disprove this: I was simply commenting on what you said. Under Putin, little has changed there as people who challenge the Putin Govt usually don't meet with a good ending. Then again, Putin was KGB. statement by presenting various examples of operating opposition media, such this: https://echo.msk.ru/ radio station (which is an opposion radio station owned by Gazprom media) and https://www.novayagazeta.ru/ newspaper as examples of anti-Putin (and anti-establishment in general) federal media outlets operating legally in Russia, there are many more. In fact not only do we have media with opposition views or foreighn roots (such as https://www.vedomosti.ru/ newspaper which is in alliance with the WSJ and FT), we even have VoA and RFE operating in Russia, which are cold war era propaganda outlets.

Overall I think that the nature of the Russian "regime" unfortunately is not well presented by foreighn observers (especially dissidents).

As to it being a game, sure it is a game and sinking civilians is no different to slaying dragons, that is - a person should not be held responsible for his ingame actions (except maybe when one say drives a minor to suicide in an online game). However the games does depict the historic events in a much simmilar way non interactive media (films, books, old news articles, in fact the later are sometimes used in the game to add flavor, no?) would and as such I view it as an object of the same nature as a present day news article.

[Jimbuna]

Back OT: The youth should be made to face up to the consequences of his actions, whatever the law allows/calls for.