Muslims on India train assaulted 'because they ate beef'

[Gerald]

A man arrested in India for being part of a mob that attacked a group of four Muslim teenagers on a train has said on TV that he was goaded into it by others because Muslims ate beef.
The man, identified only as Ramesh, said he was drunk at the time of the attack in Haryana state on Friday.
One of the boys, 16-year-old Junaid Khan, was killed in the assault carried out by a mob of about 20 men.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-40393331


Much can be said about this I suppose.

[Gargamel]

The buffets at Hindu/Muslim weddings must be quite boring. Do I want fish or fish?

[ikalugin]

Chicken?

[Platapus]

There is intolerance pretty much every where.

A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion.

[Jimbuna]

There is intolerance pretty much every where.

A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion.

True that :yep:

[Skybird]

Chicken?

And roasted widow.

[Skybird]

There is intolerance pretty much every where.

A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion.

Rule of thumb: consider the land/place/country you are in, and its predominant population. Just reasonable. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12iZx2K82to

[Cybermat47]

Rule of thumb: consider the land/place/country you are in, and its predominant population. Just reasonable.

So non-Christian people in predominantly Christian countries can't express their beliefs, because if they do they'll offend everyone else, and rightfully get killed for doing so?

[Rockstar]

When in Rome do as the Romans. If you're <insert whatever> and start tearing down that which is held sacred to others because your beliefs say its OK. You had best be ready to suffer the consequences. There's a reason Pakistan exists, go eat beef there.

Both parties involved in the above tragic incident are complete and utter idiots. But if it were me I would not eat beef out of respect for their beliefs and culture. How hard can it be? Obviously some just dont get it.

[Cybermat47]

When in Rome do as the Romans. If you're <insert whatever> and start tearing down that which is held sacred to others because your beliefs say it its OK. You had best be ready to suffer the consequences. There's a reason Pakistan exists go eat beef there.

Both parties to the above tragic incident are complete and utter idiots.

Well, I live in a predominantly Christian country, but I still eat meat on Friday. But no-one's tried to kill me for that, because no-one around me is insane enough to kill me for my beliefs.

Besides, if someone's so delicate that they fly into a murderous rage (quite literally when it comes to Islamists) when someone doesn't share their beliefs, then I want to keep offending them.

[ikalugin]

So non-Christian people in predominantly Christian countries can't express their beliefs, because if they do they'll offend everyone else, and rightfully get killed for doing so?
My opinion is that they can, but if they violate the law while doing so (ie by beheading people) they must by punished accordingly.

This includes a large number of other crimes, such as incitement of violence and others.

Hence I would advise a person not to exercise his beliefs if his actions are against the law.

[u crank]

Well, I live in a predominantly Christian country, but I still eat meat on Friday. But no-one's tried to kill me for that, because no-one around me is insane enough to kill me for my beliefs.


This has very little to do with this...

Rule of thumb: consider the land/place/country you are in, and its predominant population. Just reasonable.

..and everything to do with the rule of law in a country. Western nations tend to be far more tolerant and although religious prejudice exists it is not acted upon like it is in less tolerant states. India and Pakistan have a long and sad history of this and it is not likely to end anytime soon.

[ikalugin]

..and everything to do with the rule of law in a country. Western nations tend to be far more tolerant and although religious prejudice exists it is not acted upon like it is in less tolerant states. India and Pakistan have a long and sad history of this and it is not likely to end anytime soon.
I think it is about how western states are (with a single exception) secular and understand the idea of the rule of law, even though various elements within those states (ie leftists covering for illegal migrants out of moral/ideological reasons) are trying to undermine it.

[Cybermat47]

My opinion is that they can, but if they violate the law while doing so (ie by beheading people) they must by punished accordingly.

This includes a large number of other crimes, such as incitement of violence and others.

Hence I would advise a person not to exercise his beliefs if his actions are against the law.

Well, of course, they have to express their beliefs in a way that does not harm or bring harm to anyone.

[ikalugin]

Well, of course, they have to express their beliefs in a way that does not harm or bring harm to anyone.
Unfortunately it appears that this is not the case with a significant number of muslims which use accusations of islamophobia to cover their activities.

[Cybermat47]

This has very little to do with this...



..and everything to do with the rule of law in a country. Western nations tend to be far more tolerant and although religious prejudice exists it is not acted upon like it is in less tolerant states. India and Pakistan have a long and sad history of this and it is not likely to end anytime soon.

I agree that people in these countries are a lot less tolerant, (though I'm not sure what Pakistan has to do with this? Everything I can find suggests that the Muslims were Indian) but the fact is that the mob was still breaking the law of the country. Vigilante justice is illegal in India. Especially when the vigilantes take a crime with a maximum sentence of 15 years and apply the death penalty.

But here's the thing that we've all missed...

They weren't attacked because of the beef.

"The fight started over seats. We are looking into the matter and we have arrested one of the accused who is a 35-year-old old man from (northern state of) Haryana," Ajay Kumar, a government railway police official told AFP.

http://gulfnews.com/news/asia/india/india-mob-kills-muslim-teen-in-beef-row-one-arrested-1.2048483

So, it seems that some idiot/s decided to use religious tensions to get themselves a better seat :dead:

[Cybermat47]

Unfortunately it appears that this is not the case with a significant number of muslims which use accusations of islamophobia to cover their activities.

Agreed. The irrational fear of Islamophobia is a great asset to Islamists.

I wouldn't be surprised if several logical ideas were shot down by people who interpreted them as Islamophobic.

[Skybird]

So non-Christian people in predominantly Christian countries can't express their beliefs, because if they do they'll offend everyone else, and rightfully get killed for doing so?

Its wise to at least, minimally, not start to offend the natives and tell them that they owe to you and how much you dislike their habits and laws and that you think your own faith rules over their standards.

Owner of place: maker of rules. Common sense.

And beyond that: reciprocity. If Christian visitors in certain Muslim countries get systematically discriminated and even threatened with death if they violate Muslim rules, then I fail to see why we should allow them their ways in countries of historically Christian ancestry.

But you knew these answers were coming at you, didn't you.

[Skybird]

Both parties involved in the above tragic incident are complete and utter idiots. But if it were me I would not eat beef out of respect for their beliefs and culture. How hard can it be? Obviously some just dont get it.
Or better: why even going there in the first, if you must not...? :03:

[Rockstar]

Exactley!


Meanwhile we continue to accommodate and adapt our lives to anothers perverted ideology. We mustn't offend! Even if it means we find ourselves being blown to little itty bits.

http://hosted2.ap.org/ARLID/2e515285f07040df999bd6b670db791c/Article_2017-06-25-EU--Europe-Living%20With%20Attacks/id-3b269595084a43758c5f28ddea32596a

[Platapus]

Well, I live in a predominantly Christian country, but I still eat meat on Friday.

It should be noted that there is nothing in Christianity that prohibits eating of meat on Fridays. That is just a Catholic tradition.

[Gargamel]

It saddens me to see this thread took the turn towards an anti-islamic stance, as usual, when it started out as Hindu's attacking muslims.

May I point out the recent attacks on Muslims in predominately christian countries too?

There's nutters in every group, and historically speaking, the Christian religion is the worst offender of this.

[Skybird]

There's nutters in every group, and historically speaking, the Christian religion is the worst offender of this.
Wrong.

Just saying (once again).

And that says an atheist who is quite hostile to the churches.

[Cybermat47]

Why has a thread about Hindu extremism become a thread about Islam?

[Cybermat47]

Its wise to at least, minimally, not start to offend the natives and tell them that they owe to you and how much you dislike their habits and laws and that you think your own faith rules over their standards.

What do you mean, "offend the natives"? The Muslims were Indian themselves.

And what does religion have to do with this anymore? As we've already established, the assault was a result of a seating dispute.

[Gargamel]

Why has a thread about Hindu extremism become a thread about Islam?

That is how I read most of your statements. If I was in error, I apologize.

[McBeck]

There are extremists in all religions.
I see my obligation to being able to separate extremists from those who are not. That has brought me to a place where I have Christian, Muslim and Hindu friends and I have learned that religion is much about how you choose to view your religion of choice and that is based on the person and the value system of that person.

Do I believe that what I see in the news is a representation of various religions? Not at all. Is it thus right to judge a religion based on what I see in the news? Not at all. People should be judged based on their actions and choices, not on the actions and choices of others.

At the very core of every religion I have been told is the same belief : Treat others, like you want to be treated yourself...

Just my 2 cents...

[Onkel Neal]

There is intolerance pretty much every where.

A common human failing is to consider what you believe to be important to other people who may not share your opinion.

That should be etched in stone somewhere. Still, I bet someone would argue it. :hmmm: