Canadian sniper sets new record

[Skybird]

... killing an IS commander from a range of 3.5 km.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2017/06/22/report-canadian-sniper-kills-isis-fighter-2-miles-away/418889001/

Wowh for both accomplishments.

Shot fired from elevated position, the rifle was a McMillan TAC-50, whatever that may be. (German news). The bullet should have spent 10 seconds in flight, so a little gratis luck (no wind, no target movement) is included here.

Next time use an L/55, that does not take that long to reach out that far! :D

[Skybird]

Further reading revealed that the old record of around 2500m also was held by a Canadian - and with the same rifle model. Wikipedia has some info for starters on it. Seems to be an impressively precise rifle with a minute of angle MOA of less than 0.5.

An MOA of 1 represents 1/60 of one degree.

Anyone in the knowledge how such a MOA compares to other rifles?

[em2nought]

This image really puts some perspective on just how amazing a shot like that really is
https://metrouk2.files.wordpress.com/2017/06/canadian-sniper-shot-world-record-mailonline-graphic-1.jpg?w=620&h=414&crop=1

[Gargamel]

I think the BBC article I read stated somebody else holds (Austrian maybe?) the 2nd spot now, and the other Canadian holds the third. I was surprised at that, as I thought the Canadian was still the longest until this one.

What gets me is the ten second flight time. That's a long wait to see if you hit or not....

[Catfish]

[...]What gets me is the ten second flight time. That's a long wait to see if you hit or not....

As someone said "in this time you could have sent him a message to duck"..
I just have my doubts about "insurgents" and killing from far away, like here, or with drones. If the victim really was an enemy, ok. :hmmm:

[Rockin Robbins]

At that distance there is a lot of randomness in the result. Sending the victim a message to duck could easily with the same shot, have meant he ducked into the oncoming bullet!

Although skill is involved, I think we can chock up the actual hit to a random number generator. Nobody could hit one of 20 such shots.

[Gargamel]

It may have been a low % shot, but the risk of return fire is nill. At least from the targets.

I keep thinking about this and it keeps getting weirder. Fred drops dead from a gunshot wound. They start looking around for who ever shot Fred. And then they hear the gunshot, if they do at all, and think it's a second shot. And more likely, the gunshot would have faded so much in that time, they would have written it off as not associated with them.

If you start think in relative distances, it gets even more weird.

This is the length of a long international runway (Side note, the wikipedia page for runways in enjoyably highly detailed.)

This is roughly the elevation change from the summit of Everest to Base Camp.

It's the length of the National Mall in DC.

It's just shorter than a lap of both Daytona and Indy speedways.

It's 1/3 of the depth of the Challenger Deep.

3 times the height of Angel Falls.

4 times the height of the Burj Khalifa.

6 times as tall as the CN tower.

(http://www.bluebulbprojects.com/MeasureOfThings/results.php?comp=height&unit=ft&amt=12000&sort=pr&p=1) Which happens to be a new bookmark of mine.

[Jimbuna]

At that distance there is a lot of randomness in the result. Sending the victim a message to duck could easily with the same shot, have meant he ducked into the oncoming bullet!

Although skill is involved, I think we can chock up the actual hit to a random number generator. Nobody could hit one of 20 such shots.

Totally agree but most importantly....one less bad boy :03:

[Cybermat47]

I'd be interested to know what the daeshbag was doing in those 10 seconds. I guess he must've been taking cover.

[ikalugin]

1 MOA groups are about as good as you can realistically get.

So a skilled shooter with a good weapon under normal conditions can achieve them, but not (repeatably) surpass them.

Which is why stuff like exacto is being developed.

p.s. I use .300winmag for longer than average ranges but in my area you simply dont get 3.5km LOS ranges in the wilds.

[Moonlight]

I'd be interested to know what the daeshbag was doing in those 10 seconds. I guess he must've been taking cover.
That's not a possibility, if he was moving or even standing to sit down the odds of getting a hit decrease substantially and it becomes a shot that's not worth taking.
I would expect him to have been static, ie, either stood still or sat down and either drinking from a bottle or eating a sandwich or even on a mobile phone, even sat down the odds of getting a hit are lowered even further and very few snipers would risk a shot, no sniper is going to take risks, they're either certain of the hit or they don't take it.

That's just my opinion of course which around this forum I've noticed that its not worth much. :O:

[Gargamel]

That's not a possibility, if he was moving or even standing to sit down the odds of getting a hit decrease substantially and it becomes a shot that's not worth taking.
I would expect him to have been static, ie, either stood still or sat down and either drinking from a bottle or eating a sandwich or even on a mobile phone, even sat down the odds of getting a hit are lowered even further and very few snipers would risk a shot, no sniper is going to take risks, they're either certain of the hit or they don't take it.

That's just my opinion of course which around this forum I've noticed that its not worth much. :O:

No, you're dead on here. The bullet would have arrived long before the sound would have (If it was even noticeable). The target would have had no warning at all, and would have just been standing there sipping his latte.

[Skybird]

I assume that more or less the bullet travelled near the speed of sound. 3.5 kilometers, 10 seconds flight time: average speed 350 m/sec. Speed of sound: roughly 340 m/sec. The shot sound probably arrived at the target area 0.5 seconds after the target was hit, plus minus some tenths of a second.

[Gargamel]

I assume that more or less the bullet travelled near the speed of sound. 3.5 kilometers, 10 seconds flight time: average speed 350 m/sec. Speed of sound: roughly 340 m/sec. The shot sound probably arrived at the target area 0.5 seconds after the target was hit, plus minus some tenths of a second.

The .50 BMG round is listed as traveling at 1200 m/s (EDIT: thats for the browning machine gun from WWI, the M107 Sniper rifle uses a .50 round that travels at 853 m/s), but there would be substantial losses in that velocity over the distance traveled resulting in the ten second flight time. Plus, I'm not sure if they were actually timing the shot to the tenth of a second, so I'd guess 10 seconds is just an estimate.

But regardless of the math, the bullet was supersonic initially, leading to it arriving long (relatively speaking) before the sound did.

But while the bullet travels in a "straight" (ignore ballistics) line, the sound travels in every direction. It is governed by the inverse square law. Where if you double the distance, the energy of the wave is now 1/4. Quadruple the distance, and it's 1/16 the energy. By the time it reached the target, it would have been barely noticeable. Especially in a location that distant gunshots are not uncommon, it probably wouldn't even have been noticed.

[Cybermat47]

I assume that more or less the bullet travelled near the speed of sound. 3.5 kilometers, 10 seconds flight time: average speed 350 m/sec. Speed of sound: roughly 340 m/sec. The shot sound probably arrived at the target area 0.5 seconds after the target was hit, plus minus some tenths of a second.

And ISIS aren't exactly a thinktank, so they probably thought that the sound was another shot coming at them :haha:

[mapuc]

This you may not know

Out of 1000 people who show good shooting skilles only a few gets through the ......(forgot the word) and become a sniper.

Markus

[Aktungbby]

This you may not know

Out of 1000 people who show good shooting skilles only a few gets through the ......(forgot the word) and become a sniper.

Markusregimen

:know: :Kaleun_Wink:

[Platapus]

I admit, it was a nice shot. But in today's economy, we really need to do a little bit better than this guy did.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4145070/SAS-sniper-kills-THREE-ISIS-fighters-single-shot.html

SAS sniper kills THREE ISIS fighters with a single shot during an operation in a remote Iraqi village



A British sniper in Iraq killed three ISIS terrorists with one bullet in what has been described as a shot in a million.
The SAS marksman fired one bullet that killed two men instantly before it ricocheted into a third during a November mission in a remote northern Iraqi village.


The sniper fired his single .338 Lapua Magnum bullet from a L115A sniper rifle from a range of 1,800m just as the senior ISIS members prepared to fire shots into a crowd of women and children.


http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/22/12/3C64ECED00000578-4145070-image-a-71_1485089450528.jpg



An SAS marksman fired one bullet and killed two senior ISIS members instantly before it ricocheted into a terrorists during a November mission in a remote northern Iraqi village (file photo)



A source told The Daily Star Sunday (http://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/580648/SAS-sniper-kills-three-ISIS-terrorists-one-shot-Iraq-Islamic-State-Mosul) that the shooting happened during a covert SAS intelligence gathering as the troops monitored Islamic State-controlled areas while Iraqi forces advanced toward Mosul.
The SAS squad was tracking the IS members when dozens of women and children tried to flee from the extremists.
When the terrorists ordered the civilians to stop and pointed a machine gun at the crowd from a second-storey window, the SAS team decided they had no choice but to open fire and save the fleeing group.
The sniper, whose rifle was fitted with a suppressor to reduce noise, fired his once-in-a-lifetime shot.


The bullet first struck the man holding the machine gun in the head then hit a second terrorist in the chest. It passed through his body, ricocheted off a wall and hit a third man - who was in the same room - in the neck.
The source said the 'shot was one in a million' and added that he didn't believe it was planned.
'Alongside the sniper was an SAS spotter, who was watching the target through binoculars,' he said. 'The whole incident was over in a flash.'
The third man lasted for about 30 seconds before dying, while the others were killed instantly a source told The Star.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2017/01/22/12/3C5CC8BB00000578-4145070-image-a-70_1485089251851.jpg
Iraqi forces launched in October a campaign backed by a US-led coalition to take back Mosul from the hardline Sunni group which captured the city in 2014, declaring from its Grand Mosque a 'caliphate' that also spanned parts of Syria. Mosul is pictured above on Saturday


'No one could quite believe what had happened,' the source added.
The SAS team entered the house following the shooting and confirmed that the three men were dead. They took fingerprints and photos of the scene before leaving by helicopter.
The Ministry of Defence told MailOnline that it does not comment on SAS activity.
Iraqi forces launched in October a campaign backed by a US-led coalition to take back Mosul from the hardline Sunni group which captured the city in 2014, declaring from its Grand Mosque a 'caliphate' that also spanned parts of Syria.
Mosul is the last major city stronghold under Islamic State control in Iraq.
Islamic State detonated explosives in the largest hotel in western Mosul on Friday, in an attempt to destroy it and prevent Iraqi forces from using it as a landing spot or base in their offensive to capture the city, witnesses said on Sunday.
The Mosul Hotel, shaped as a step pyramid, appeared to be leaning to one side after the explosions, said two witnesses contacted by phone, requesting anonymity as the militants punish by death those caught communicating with the outside world.
The Mosul Hotel sits alongside the Tigris river that cuts the city into two halves. The explosion comes as Iraqi forces appear about to take full control of the eastern side and prepare to attack the western bank.
We have to economize, gentlemen. The days of "one shot one kill" are over. We just can't afford the ammo costs these days. We need at least two kills for every round to make our projected ROI. :03:

[August]

‘Sorry aboot that, eh’ — Canadian sniper apologizes after record-breaking kill shot

https://1.gravatar.com/avatar/105e1065ef4ff42218352fdaf56d6407?s=26&d=blank&r=pgBy Cat Astronaut (http://www.duffelblog.com/author/top-shelf/) On Jun 24, 2017

http://cdn.duffelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/CanadianSniper-e1498253138631-750x430.jpg (http://cdn.duffelblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/CanadianSniper-e1498253138631.jpg) Photo Credit: Dvids (https://www.dvidshub.net/image/3392386/canadian-travels-down-under-international-sniper-competition)




OTTAWA — A Canadian sniper (http://taskandpurpose.com/canadian-sniper-shatters-record-for-longest-sniper-kill-canada-proudly-reports/) apologized today after he was confirmed to have scored the longest lethal shot on record, according to sources.
The sniper, whose identity is being withheld for operational security reasons, said he was sorry both to the ISIS fighter he killed and to the former record-holder, British soldier Craig Harrison (http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-sniper-record-shot-2017-6), whose record his 2.2-mile shot smashed by over 3,000 feet.
“Sorry aboot that, eh,” the sniper supposedly said as the .50 caliber round ripped through the insurgent’s thoracic cavity. “I thought that was a dern moose, friend.”
According to experts, Canadian standard operating procedure is to ask a target’s permission before ending his life, so as to maintain a spirit of good sportsmanship.
“We’re all aboot friendship and fair play up here in Canada, even if we’re just killing a bunch of hosers like ISIS,” said Canadian military spokesman Mick Robinson. “All the famous Canadians that everyone’s heard of like Frank Boucher and Jack Bionda would tell you the same, buddy.”


Read more: http://www.duffelblog.com/2017/06/canadian-sniper-kill-shot-record/#ixzz4lFdUa4Ru

[d@rk51d3]

Was about to suggest he was actually aiming for the streetsign on the other side.:D

[Nippelspanner]

no sniper is going to take risks, they're either certain of the hit or they don't take it.

This very shot proves you wrong though.

A shot at over 1500m is never a certain hit, and that has nothing to do with the skills of the sniper team.
Too many factors play a role and at these ranges, a wind gust 1km from your current position can ruin it all, no matter how good your data is. The target also could have moved at any moment during the loooong time of flight, causing a miss.
And at 3500m? Jesus...

In the end this was a simple "why the hell not?" shot, resulting in what can be compared with a hole in one at golf. It can happen... But it has nothing to do with being certain.
They probably couldn't believe they actually did hit themselves for a moment. On first shot as well. Crazy!


Oh, fun fact: the bullet basically struck the target from above at this range due to ballistics. His buddies saw something they won't forget for a while...tehehe.