America's Cup

[Skybird]

I know nothign about sailign, and never was into it, but the past days I occasionally watched TV coverage of the races between these two catamarans, and watched with growing fascination the different race track patterns both boats were circling into the water in search for the better wind. Also I like the boats.

I also know nothign about these boats, do not even know the name of their class, assuming they are not just "catamarans". And I am wondering. That the crew all the time change the side, probably is due to weight, but the sailors who are constantly turning those cranks like crazy - what exactly are they doing there? Do they drive a hidden propeller? :) I have no clue what they are doing, since they are turnign the cranks all the time, always.

Whats it all about? Are they bored or try to keep warm?

[Catfish]

^ Fascinating, yes.. they are almost flying, only tied to the water by fins and to have a resistance for cutting across. You have to stem your boat against the wind pressure, to be able to sail against the wind. Those new catamarans are indeed skimmers or surfers, not classic displacement boats like with the America's cup started initially.

Personally i do not like those catamarans, built for one race and then wrecked, all carbon fibre and as thin as possible, barely being able to survive one race. A lot of those crash, because they are built to the limit of what the material can take before breaking, and carbon also suffers from material fatigue after having taken a certain amount of beating.
I prefer displacement boats, slower but also (even much more) graceful.

The crew changes position to adjust weight and keep the "boat" from capsizing, also the more upright the hull is the faster it is in the water, theoretically (based on purpose and design of course).

Winches are used for trimming all kind of ropes to give the sail the best form for the existing wind, to be as fast as possible. It also depends on the course; while a sailing boat can of course run with the wind and at half wind, it can not directly sail against it, only crosswise.
Then the mast can be adjusted bending it forward or back via the main stays, the sails can be reefed, lowered or set, all needing winch action at some time.

A course of say 40 degrees against the wind is already considered as very good achievement, it all depends on the hull/fin/sail form, and stiffness of the materials used.
If your course is going directly against the wind which e.g. comes at you from 000 (North), you have to sail up some meters 40 degrees e.g. left/port at a course of 320 degrees, then tack ("go through the wind") and fall over to the other right/starboard side and sail on a new course of 040 degrees for a time. So in this case you are zig-zagging around your intended course line, to reach your destination.
The course against, with or whatever with the wind is not the real (compass) course, of course. (Are we on course? Off course, we are.. :O:)

The windex at the mast top and also at half mast height with racing boats, tell you where the apparent wind is currently coming from, and the helmsman shouts his orders to the winchcrew, to adjust the sail. He sees how fast the boat is and feels the rudder's resistance, as the hull action.

So turning the winches is done to adjust to changing wind conditions, slightly changing course or harder turns, then tack and jibe.. On a race, this of course looks hectic.

[Jimbuna]

The America's Cup and said competition was created by the British and is something we have never won :doh:

[em2nought]

Is this what you're seeing?
https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/441988/441988,1314469618,7/stock-photo-italy-sicily-mediterranean-sea-cruising-on-a-sailing-boat-winch-83536834.jpg

It makes a sail "tighter" so it catches the wind better so the boat goes faster. Most often you can't go in the exact direction you want to go so you have to zig zag back and forth constantly switching which side of the mast your jib sail is on and cranking on those winches to pull in your jib sail

[Catfish]

The America's Cup and said competition was created by the British and is something we have never won :doh:

Well we could endow the "EU cup" and see how that goes... :D
The Cowes week is challenging enough...

[vienna]

Well we could endow the "EU cup" and see how that goes... :D
The Cowes week is challenging enough...

Brexit at sea...




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[Skybird]

em2naught,

the wenches I mean are operated by two men with both hands, like bicycle pedals. I doubt they are about trimming the sails, since the sails do not visibly change and the wenches are being operated ALL THE TIME, they are in constant movement, in one direction. Like pumps to keep water out. :) Its also not about the swords I think, since I saw these beign dropped and lifted like dropping an anchor - too fast. And sometimes they even operate them like bicycle pedals indeed: http://www.juanpanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/e1940c12-b67f-4eac-a499-655f285082fa.jpg

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7Vo0WYEwrw

It seems it is about providing electric energy. The guys at the wenches run generators that provide electricity that operates the foils and wing trimmers. Video at 2:20.

Why no batteries? LOL

[Skybird]

100% flight time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EPwwDczXinI

[Skybird]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bAXA0mIXGmU

[Rockstar]

The America's Cup and said competition was created by the British and is something we have never won :doh:


and never will :arrgh!:

GREAT AGAIN

[em2nought]

em2naught,

the wenches I mean are operated by two men with both hands, like bicycle pedals. I doubt they are about trimming the sails, since the sails do not visibly change and the wenches are being operated ALL THE TIME, they are in constant movement, in one direction. Like pumps to keep water out. :) Its also not about the swords I think, since I saw these beign dropped and lifted like dropping an anchor - too fast. And sometimes they even operate them like bicycle pedals indeed: http://www.juanpanews.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/e1940c12-b67f-4eac-a499-655f285082fa.jpg

My Hobie Cat didn't have any of that in 1984. lol Pretty impressive craft they have now. :up:

[Schroeder]

the wenches I mean are operated by two men with both hands
Are you sure you should post stuff on Subsim about wenches being operated by two men with both hands?:hmmm:

:haha::O:

[Aktungbby]

Is this what you're seeing?
https://thumb1.shutterstock.com/display_pic_with_logo/441988/441988,1314469618,7/stock-photo-italy-sicily-mediterranean-sea-cruising-on-a-sailing-boat-winch-83536834.jpg

It makes a sail "tighter" so it catches the wind better so the boat goes faster. Most often you can't go in the exact direction you want to go so you have to zig zag back and forth constantly switching which side of the mast your jib sail is on and cranking on those winches to pull in your jib sail
ALLOW Me! up close and personal on one of the catalina's new winches where I'm the portside 'grinder' managing a 150% jib (fully deployed in a 20 knot wind...and a 3' swellhttp://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx22/aktungbby/image1_zpsmolwaatg.jpeg managing a 150% jib (fully deployed in a 20 knot wind) off Mare Island http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx22/aktungbby/DSC_1812_zpsm0fwr7ug.jpeg B 4 performing serious steward duty; with what's left of my cramping tired hands with a corkscrew with my sta'brd 'grinder' http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx22/aktungbby/DSC_0690_zpsxglmo6vf.jpg?1497887526412 (with a libation to the sea-gods for our safety!) We're both too old to swim for it!:arrgh!: https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/HdJ2XwmL5YN9OL-1QIIotyKLqq8=/800x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/6546429/mjeffrey_160523_1068_0003.0.jpgThese BBYS are really dangerous and One British sailor, Andrew James Simpson,MBE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Member_of_the_Order_of_the_British_Empire) an Olympic gold medalist for Swedish team Artemis Racing, died in a tragic accident after his boat capsized during testing in the San Francisco Bay. Crew members now carry air, knives, and body armor that can help save them in the event of an accident. Dagger boards allow for 40 knots (by meager comparison: the Catalina will do 8 knots on a 30-40 degree list which is fast enough imjo) or about 55 mph. ie: its own hull length every second!:timeout: (Costs for the 2017 will actually be about half, due to the smaller boats that measure 50 feet instead of the previous 72 feet.) This is not sailing: this is flying! ... til you're not-kinda suddenlike!:http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/dccda550da80f40c8e1d9d0190f6b475?width=650 (http://cdn.newsapi.com.au/image/v1/dccda550da80f40c8e1d9d0190f6b475?width=1024)

[Skybird]

Are you sure you should post stuff on Subsim about wenches being operated by two men with both hands?:hmmm:

:haha::O:

Oh heck...

Isnt it amazing what I can do to this strange language if only I put my heart into it? LOL

I blame Catfish, he used first this new word that I did not knew, and then sent all those negative vibes that made me misspelling it.

[Gargamel]

I know nothign about sailign, and never was into it, but the past days I occasionally watched TV coverage of the races between these two catamarans, and watched with growing fascination the different race track patterns both boats were circling into the water in search for the better wind. Also I like the boats.

I also know nothign about these boats, do not even know the name of their class, assuming they are not just "catamarans". And I am wondering. That the crew all the time change the side, probably is due to weight, but the sailors who are constantly turning those cranks like crazy - what exactly are they doing there? Do they drive a hidden propeller? :) I have no clue what they are doing, since they are turnign the cranks all the time, always.

Whats it all about? Are they bored or try to keep warm?

Those are cranks to run a hydraulic pump to power the actuators to move the sails, boards, etc. These boats are doing 50 mph under wind power alone. The NZ team got 'smart' and made the cranks into stationary bikes.



Anybody have a place to stream these matches!?! I got used to watching them live on YouTube last time, and this time they're not even replaying them! All I can find are the press conferences. And without seeing the actual match, press conferences are friggin boring.

It's just another cash grab by the Oracle guys. Bermuda paid them enough (or more accurately, gave them the island for free) to come there instead of defend the cup in their home port. The SF races were the most watched and attended ever! And they move it to a remote island??? And now one of the things that is made the last cup so popular was the ease of access to the races, and now you can't even watch them unless you have NBCSN!.

EDIT: Dammit, and another cash grab. Its not available to stream in most of the countries that are participating. I understand not streaming it live, for the ad revenue. But at least stream the replays dahmkit!

[vienna]

Some of the Cup matches were broadcast on regular broadcast NBC network stations over the last weekend in the US; the growing trend towards moving all sports to 'pay view' is the result of the 'bean-counter' corporate culture that has taken over media outlets; NBC is owned by Universal Group who seem intent on making the public pay for every second of media possible...




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[Aktungbby]

Oh heck...

Isnt it amazing what I can do to this strange language if only I put my heart into it? LOL

I blame Catfish, he used first this new word that I did not knew, and then sent all those negative vibes that made me misspelling it.
WE in turn Fraün upon such SHEnannigans!
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[Catfish]

A bit OT, wanted to go to bed yesterday, but saw Robert Redford in a film on a yacht, and became interested.
Was the film "All is lost" from 2014, had not seen it before. About a single-handed sailor who's boat gets rammed by a garbage container, and his following fight in the leaking boat against the sea. Not mainstream cinema. One man, only saying two or three words in the whole film, but if you ever sailed such a boat it really gets intense.
Yes some flaws but not so Hollywood-like. Great film, for me :up:

[Skybird]

Autorecorded on stick. Will watch later.

[Catfish]

I wonder why, after watching the film, my wife asked me whether i would not like to go sailing again.. :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

A bit OT, wanted to go to bed yesterday, but saw Robert Redford in a film on a yacht, and became interested.
Was the film "All is lost" from 2014, had not seen it before. About a single-handed sailor who's boat gets rammed by a garbage container, and his following fight in the leaking boat against the sea. Not mainstream cinema. One man, only saying two or three words in the whole film, but if you ever sailed such a boat it really gets intense.
Yes some flaws but not so Hollywood-like. Great film, for me :up:
https://www.quora.com/How-realistic-is-the-ocean-sailing-movie-All-is-lost (https://www.quora.com/How-realistic-is-the-ocean-sailing-movie-All-is-lost)
:doh:

[Catfish]

^ there are other critics, of course. I also told my wife about all those unrealistic things, and blatantly unprofesional behaviour, but it was still interesting compared to what you see mostly.

Some things are real though, as a single-handed sailor you have to eat, you have to sleep, you need some warm place, and if you have no auto steering you have to stay on deck and get the boat through the storm, just rigging a drift anchor will not suffice.
The slightest mistake will get you in big trouble. When he lost the mast which put anther leak in the boat, if on deck level, he was completely exhausted. Going down for sleeping in that state and the boat doing an unexpected move will probably make you bang your head at something.
Did you see it?