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US Republican politician and aide among several shot during baseball practice in Virginia, US reports say
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-40275055
Soon new update.
Not happy about this at all. If you don't agree politically with them, vote them out of office, you don't shoot them! Wonder how long before a copycat shooter shows up somewhere. You couldn't pay me enough to be a politician, especially now. Like walking around with a target on your back!
Apparently a crazy Bernie supporter. I guess the violent rhetoric of the left has finally produced the desired result.
Nippelspanner
06-14-17, 05:32 PM
Apparently a crazy Bernie supporter. I guess the violent rhetoric of the left has finally produced the desired result.
Jesus can there be one day without you going FULL retard? FFS!
"the left"
Oh what bull****!
This is all bad enough without your crap!
This has nothing to do with "the left" or whatever political side, and you know that!
Yet you abuse this opportunity to smear the "enemy team", of course!
It doesn't get much lower, really!
https://pjmedia.com/rogerlsimon/2017/06/14/baseball-shooter-a-big-wake-up-call-for-the-left/
It couldn't be more obvious that highly disturbed individuals such as the deranged gunman using baseball-playing Republican congressmen for target practice (https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/06/14/breaking-gop-whip-steve-scalise-shot-during-baseball-practice-in-virginia/) on Wednesday can come from all political, ethnic, racial and religious categories; nevertheless, it's high time for some introspection from the left. This should be a wake-up call for them. Indeed, for the sake of our country, it had better be.
This man came from the extreme end of Trump Derangement Syndrome, but he didn't emerge entirely by himself. He came from a petri dish that we are all submerged in, nurturing hate as never before in most of our lifetimes.
We need look no further than yesterday's grilling of Jeff Sessions by the Senate Intelligence Committee. This investigation is putatively about Russian interference in our election, but we learned nothing about that. Not a thing. In fact, it was barely mentioned. The entire event was used as a means to "get Trump" and/or his associates. Senators like Heinrich ooze hate, obviously playing to a likeminded crowd. It is indeed a "witch hunt" and any reader ofThe Crucible knows where that leads.
Meanwhile, just this past weekend, here in Los Angeles, we had our annual gay pride celebration. But it didn't seem to be about pride at all, only about unremitting attacks on our president (and by implication anyone Republican), as if everyone in the streets would have been delighted to see a replay of Kathy Griffin (https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2017/06/12/whither-humor-after-kathy-griffin/)'s nauseating decapitation or the denouement of the current Shakespeare in the Park production where a Trump/Caesar is beheaded (https://pjmedia.com/trending/2017/06/06/trump-derangement-syndrome-spirals-out-of-control-with-sick-performance-of-trumpian-julius-caesar/) nightly. (Ironically, Trump was on record for gay marriage long before Clinton or Obama, but facts mean nothing to the pussy-hatted.)
And then there were the wild accusations of anti-Semitism when nearly half of Trump's family is Jewish and -- as it turned out -- of the few such incidents that have occurred since his inauguration none were committed by his supporters. In fact, they all came from the left. This was, of course, barely reported. It didn't fit the narrative of hate.
And this is to omit the most horrifying examples of all -- the absolutely despicable behavior toward conservatives on our campuses. It's like the return of the Brown Shirts.
Sense a pattern?
Rockstar
06-14-17, 06:47 PM
http://media.tmz.com/2017/05/30/0530-kathy-griffin-graphic-donald-trump-head-cut-off-tyler-sheilds-9.jpg
http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/james-hodgkinsonedited-650x600.jpg
and they say they are the victims.
http://www.dailywire.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2017/06/kathy_griffin.jpg?itok=0uELSHsO
Von Due
06-14-17, 06:47 PM
I see your PJ-Media and raise you a Media Bias/Fact Check
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/pj-media/
Really Von Due, Rockstar, August? give it a rest guys. The shooter is dead, the shootee is out of surgery, and hopefully recovers, time to call it a day.
Von Due
06-14-17, 07:01 PM
Really Von Due, Rockstar, August? give it a rest guys. The shooter is dead, the shootee is out of surgery, and hopefully recovers, time to call it a day.
This I agree on :salute:
Jimbuna
06-14-17, 07:02 PM
Not happy about this at all. If you don't agree politically with them, vote them out of office, you don't shoot them! Wonder how long before a copycat shooter shows up somewhere. You couldn't pay me enough to be a politician, especially now. Like walking around with a target on your back!
On that we can both agree :yep:
Rockstar
06-14-17, 07:21 PM
after all the verbal diarrhea spewed, theatrical decapitations, assinations and standing ovations by the get trump now crowd. It took a shooting for them to grow up and start preaching restraint.
after all the verbal diarrhea spewed, theatrical decapitations, assinations and standing ovations by the get trump now crowd. It took a shooting for them to grow up and start preaching restraint.
Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww:wah::wah:
Really Von Due, Rockstar, August? give it a rest guys. The shooter is dead, the shootee is out of surgery, and hopefully recovers, time to call it a day.
If this were some lone nutcase I'd agree but this guy is totally the product of the extreme vitriol that the left has spewed at what they call "deplorables" and "bitter clingers" ever since Trump won the election and even if that hate ended today, which we all know it won't, there will be more of these incidents. They make jokes and plays about assassinating Republicans and this is the natural result.
Onkel Neal
06-14-17, 08:14 PM
Really Von Due, Rockstar, August? give it a rest guys. The shooter is dead, the shootee is out of surgery, and hopefully recovers, time to call it a day.
Same here, thanks.
Nippelspanner
06-15-17, 03:19 AM
If this were some lone nutcase I'd agree but this guy is totally the product of the extreme vitriol that the left has spewed at what they call "deplorables" and "bitter clingers" ever since Trump won the election and even if that hate ended today, which we all know it won't, there will be more of these incidents. They make jokes and plays about assassinating Republicans and this is the natural result.
Just like right wingers talking about hanging hillary, Obama, sanders and god knows who else for "being a traitor".
Your god damn point being?!
As if a few retards are magically speaking for a whole political side, these aren't sport teams nor collectives august, when will you finally realize this??
Platapus
06-15-17, 04:55 PM
Apparently a crazy Bernie supporter. I guess the violent rhetoric of the left has finally produced the desired result.
You seem relieved, perhaps even happy that you can trace this crime back to a political position that you don't agree with.
Is the political history of this criminal really the most important factor in this tragedy in your viewpoint?
Anyone else notice some of the people who are posting outrage over the attack and are decrying the use of a violent act to affect politics are some of the same people who blithely and glibly have made posts in other threads about a call to arms, a 'civil war', if the current administration is ousted, some even to the point of describing the arm and munitions to be used?...
I'm not saying ... I'm just saying...
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You seem relieved, perhaps even happy that you can trace this crime back to a political position that you don't agree with.
I do? Well you know what they say about assumptions Platapus...
Is the political history of this criminal really the most important factor in this tragedy in your viewpoint?
It is if you want to prevent a repetition of it. The Democrats and their allies have been using increasingly disparaging and violent rhetoric against Republicans (any anyone else who doesn't support them) ever since the election and it appears that it drove one of their supporters to act it out. Who knows how many more just like him there are out there? I think it's time to call them on it before this incident becomes remembered as the opening shots of a second American civil war.
...I'm not saying ... I'm just saying...
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This was posted today:
Whose Violence? --
https://jacobinmag.com/2017/06/steve-scalise-shooting-right-wing-violence-bernie-sanders/
Some will, no doubt, point out Jacobin is a left-wing magazine: freely admitted, but if you're going to argue, argue the facts in the article, not the source...
...and as far as inciting or encouraging violence...well...:
Trump’s History of Encouraging Violence --
https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/100000004269364/trump-and-violence.html
NOTE: The article was published 16 March 2016, eight months before the election; I'm pretty sure if there an update, the video would be longer...
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Here's an interesting article on the subject. Of course it's from Fox so that means it's wrong according to some here but take it as you wish:
Steve Scalise shooting: Political 'intensity' at town halls and beyond rising for months
By Zoe Szathmary Published June 15, 2017 Fox News
http://a57.foxnews.com/images.foxnews.com/content/fox-news/politics/2017/06/15/steve-scalise-shooting-political-intensity-at-town-halls-and-beyond-rising-for-months/_jcr_content/par/featured_image/media-0.img.jpg/876/493/1497561380087.jpg?ve=1&tl=1 Police investigate a shooting scene after a gunman opened fire on Republican members of Congress during a baseball practice near Washington in Alexandria, Virginia, June 14, 2017. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts - RTS171TN
The shooting Wednesday of House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and four others was a shock to the nation.
But to an extent, it was also the latest -- and by far the most violent -- manifestation of hostility in American politics. The suspect was a Bernie Sanders supporter with deep anti-Trump views.
Lawmakers said afterward that hateful rhetoric has been on the rise on both sides, and needs to cool.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Wednesday that in the age of Trump, it is particularly pronounced on the left: "The intensity on the left is very real," he told Fox News.
No matter the cause or culprit, it's undeniable the intensity has been building, especially since last year's presidential election:
u crank
06-16-17, 06:25 AM
Pretty good article in WSJ by Peggy Noonan.
This really caught my attention...
That’s what we’re doing now, exciting the unstable—not only with images but with words, and on every platform. It’s all too hot and revved up. This week we had a tragedy. If we don’t cool things down, we’ll have more.
And this I could not agree with more.
We have been seeing a generation of media figures cratering under the historical pressure of Donald Trump.
By indulging their and their audience’s rage, they spread the rage. They celebrate themselves as brave for this. They stood up to the man, they spoke truth to power. But what courage, really, does that take? Their audiences love it. Their base loves it, their demo loves it, their bosses love it. Their numbers go up. They get a better contract. This isn’t brave.
Here's an interesting article on the subject. Of course it's from Fox so that means it's wrong according to some here but take it as you wish:
Is that the same Fox News that just acknowledged they have dropped the motto, "Fair And Balanced"? Just asking...
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Onkel Neal
06-16-17, 10:15 AM
Pretty good article in WSJ by Peggy Noonan.
This really caught my attention...
And this I could not agree with more.
If think that's probably accurate. Its the business of egging on a fight for gain. In in favor of backing off, cooling down, and remembering its really better to focus on our positive shared interests.
Catfish
06-16-17, 12:31 PM
Agreed, if e.g. i want to cool down i do not watch or read US media at all for a few days. Helps a lot :yep:
Rockstar
06-16-17, 02:59 PM
Agreed, if e.g. i want to cool down i do not watch or read US media at all for a few days. Helps a lot :yep:
Preach it bruder. ;)
Platapus
06-17-17, 06:13 AM
The media really have to accept their responsibility in the political attitude environment.
The media is supposed to report the news, not cause it.
Onkel Neal
06-17-17, 08:22 AM
We could all wish for trustworthy journalism, but it's really hard to know who to trust. Even NPR has thrown off any pretense of objectivity. :wah:
That's why it is very often important to actually seek out reportage from a wide variety of sources; listen/read NPR? - listen/read Fox. One of the big reasons I try to get as many views on any subject is to try to maintain as much of an independent stance as possible. Once you get as many perspectives as possible, it then becomes a matter of weeding out actual fact from opinion, applying critical thinking on the resulting facts, and then using common sense to form an opinion. Being spoon-fed from just one set of viewpoints really doesn't give you a full appreciation of important, complex issues or matters. Not every source is going to be 100% accurate of even truthful; if you want the truth, you have to really look for it. It is much more preferable to cogitate than regurgitate...
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Platapus
06-17-17, 10:42 AM
And not limit one to only US news sources.
u crank
06-17-17, 11:04 AM
if you want the truth, you have to really look for it.
And of course there is the problem and the reason that the media can be so biased. People want to hear an opinion that agrees with their own. It's only news to them if they like it. If they don't like it then it's media bias. The news media business is making a lot of money on this principle.
And not looking for news source that agree with what a person already believes in a case.
Markus
Kptlt. Neuerburg
06-17-17, 02:11 PM
https://s6.postimg.org/fte0y1xa9/BBCI2n_A.jpg
Platapus
06-17-17, 06:49 PM
And of course there is the problem and the reason that the media can be so biased. People want to hear an opinion that agrees with their own. It's only news to them if they like it. If they don't like it then it's media bias. The news media business is making a lot of money on this principle.
In one of my analysis classes, the instructor gave us an interesting thought experiment. We had to identify a personal opinion that we had that was wrong.
It was eye opening.
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