Qatar vs Saudi Arabia, UAE, Egypt et al

[Von Due]

Saudi Arabia, Egypt, UAE, Bahrain, Yemen, the Maldives have cut ties with Qatar over allegations of supporting terrorist groups in the region as well as being a destabiliser. One thing that strikes me is:
Iranian news are low voiced over the terrorist bit but more than suggests it's all a Saudi plot to gain control. No big surprise there.
Egyptian news are on about the Muslim Brotherhood which is declared a terrorist organisation in Egypt.
Jerusalem Post are on about Hamas.
Saudi news are on about ISIS and Al Qaeda as well as Qatar's Iranian ties. As surprising as Iran's hints of Saudi plots.
They all point to "homely" groups if pointing at all.

Another issue that is more concerning is, if this escalates, it will affect negatively the threat level across not only the region but across Europe and the US as well.

Escalation is absolutely not something anyone need.

[Moonlight]

The on going proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia that's taking place in Yemen is going to escalate into a full scale conflict sooner rather than later.
Iran and Saudi Arabia, are already fighting a war in six key areas, the military, diplomatic, economic, religious, terrorism and the propaganda fronts, just how the hell are they going to keep a lid on that mess, one false step and all hell will break loose, its just what that region needs right now. :doh:

[Jimbuna]

I sure hope the western countries aren't drawn in but that is probably already too late.

[Von Due]

I sure hope the western countries aren't drawn in but that is probably already too late.

It would largely depend on how much the US and SA want to hold hands. So far the US has expressed the necessity of keeping Qatar in the team in the Yemen crisis in particular, while SA wants Qatar out of the team. Right now there is little other than allegations from all sides with little hard evidence out to and through the media, other than old known facts about Iran and SA's roles in terrorism and the feud between the two. If the US chooses side which almost certainly would be pro SA and pro-while-pinching-their-noses Egypt, then Europe is likely to follow.

[Skybird]

One of the global main financiers of Muslim terrorism. A real major player in this field.

[ikalugin]

All the weapons sales, all the oil price rises, all money being moved from islamist pockets into Russian ones.
http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/751/751/787.jpg

[Schroeder]

One of the global main financiers of Muslim terrorism. A real major player in this field.

I find it funny that Saudi Arabia accuses another country of financing terrorism...:roll:

[Skybird]

^Yes. And then there is Iran, and Marocco.

Yes. Marocco. I assume most people would not guess that one.

[Jimbuna]

Do you mean 'Morocco' Sky or am I missing something?

[Von Due]

Any info on state sponsored terrorist groups in Morocco?

Edit: Found this piece on the pre-2016 situation
http://mediterraneanaffairs.com/2720-2/

[Skybird]

Marocco, Morocco - I prefer Espresso. "Marokko" it is in German.

Who said it is officially, formally state sponsored terrorism? Its that not in case of Quatar. Not in case of Saudi arabia. Not in case of Mao... Moa... - you know which state. the money flows in all states via private financiers, rich Scheichs and families - which nevertheless are very close to the state leaderships and could not act unpunished and unsanctioned without the leaderships knowing and tolerating it. And that is what makes this private terrorism state-run terrorism. The difference is just deceptive.

Its as if claiming that those industrial corporations in the Third Reich that were not formally nationalised and remained formally in private ownership, were not obedient to political and production orders by the government. Nobody would argue they did not work for the Reich and supported it with their production. Of course they did, nationalised or not.

Many terrorists of the past 16 years also were from Morocco.

Morocco also was the place of terror strikes in the past, against tourists, already before the IS arrived.

I know most people see it only as a relatively moderate holiday ressort. But there is more to it.

[Von Due]

In Qatar's case, it reportedly is a bit more than private funds working in secrecy, with members of the royal family directly involved, high profile organisations funnelig money to train terrorists abroad, something that would be very difficult if the Govt there didn't turn a blind eye, and with persons central in terror organisations finding shelter in Qatar, again very difficult without the Govt's (silent?) approval.

It's not easy to separate all facts from fiction when accusers like SA are themselves pretty much tied down by "strong loyal supporters" of the Sauds. Supporters who in turn ask for nothing more than the king's and the Govt's silent approval of extremists being based there, or else the king might find himself facing another, more determined 1979.

[Von Due]

As for the question on western involvement, this could settle it
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-40175935

[Mr Quatro]

Watch they will all kiss an make up :yep:

[mapuc]

Help me out here friends

Saudi-Arabia and some other countries have cut their diplomatically thing with Qatar, due to accusation of supporting terrorist among them ISIS. Qatar is what I have heard a good friend with Iran-It's here I don't get it

Qatar is accused of supporting ISIS who is fighting Assad and his friends among them Iran who is supporting Qatar.

I'm confused.

Markus

[Platapus]

I am sure that Saudi Arabia is shocked... shocked I say, to learn that Qatar is funding terrorist organizations.

(insert approprate Casablanca film clip)

[Skybird]

Just stumbled over some late night German news - Turkey says it is about to send troops to Quatar.

Erdoghan has lost touch with his high-flying plans for Turkish hegemony in the muslim world completely. He has changed, u-turned, twisted his balancing of pro and contra policies for and against Sunnis and Shias so often now that I imagine they just shake their heads throughout the Middle East about him. Not as if they ever had forgotten or forgiven the Osmanic past and cruelty anyway. It takes an Erdoghan indeed to assume that Arabs could learn to love Turks. Idiot.

Meanwhile, German alibi recce Tornados are ordered to leave Incirlik and relocate to Jordan. I wish we would also poull out our German specilkaists aboard the AWACS planes stationed in Turkey. Germany sends more than one third of these crews and special operators, it would force NATO to relocate the AWACS fleet and move out of Turkey for sure. I also want the German alibi Patriot battery out of Turkey that was sent there when Erdoghan tried so hard to provoke Syria years ago.

With many German citizens imprisoned in Turkey without getting access to the diplomats of the German embassy and without correct legal proceedings being pushed by the Turkish state in order to use them for blakcmailing Germany, I want a warning by the German foreign ministry against privately travelling to Turkey, may it be business may it be holiday. Turkey already is economically heavily hit by tourists staying away and investments being withdrawn, it must be prevented that this changes any time soon, but the pressure should be intensified.

Germany and Turks have dreamed illusions since years and decades. The deepening split now that we see widening since so many months, is just the final bill that comes as a logical consequence. Already in the nineties I found no country in the Muslim world were I went to, so unpleasant and hostile, like Turkey, maybe with the exception of Algeria, which indeed simply was dangerous to be in at that time.

Now Turkey goes Gulf. Okay. I need more popcorn, it seems.

[Catfish]

A few days after Trump visiting Saudi-Arabia and indirectly (or was it blunt) accusing them of breeding and hosting terrorists, Saudi-Arabia accuses, and breaks ties with, Qatar.

:hmmm::haha:


@Skybird, regarding Turkey: Fear not, Mrs May has just made one of the greatest yuuuge weapon deals just of all with Erdoghan. She is so intelligent it will all work out, just wait and see :arrgh!:

[mapuc]

Sorry for digging up this thread.

Was thinking on starting a thread on the latest development in Qatar, when I remembered this thread.

SA and other four countries in the Middle east had sent 4 demands to Qatar, today Qatar have given an answer, they have refused all of these 4 demands.

Don't know how it will proceed from here. And I don't how FIFA is going to act, Qatar is the host for Wold Cup in soccer 2022. Have read that they are watching the situation and can remove Qatar as the host. England has said they can be the host for World Cup 2022, if no other countries are willing.

Markus

[Catfish]

^ i guess having the soccer world cup in Qatar, will offer a yuuuuge drone strike opportunity to finish off some terrorists sitting in the ranks, causing only minor collateral damage.

[Jimbuna]

I consider SA to be under no less suspicion than Qater but of course, SA are an ally so it can't be possible :hmmm:

[mapuc]

A correction:
It was not 4 demands these 4 countries had send to Qatar, it was a list of 13 demands. Qatar, have rejected all of them.

As a political expert on Middle east said on Danish TV-This is going out of control.

Markus