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BREAKING NEWS
Police are responding to reports that a van has hit a number of pedestrians on London Bridge in central London.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40146916
http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security-idUKKBN18U0VU
http://news.sky.com/story/live-armed-police-at-london-bridge-incident-10903581
Please no not again.
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A car has reportedly mounted the pavement on London Bridge before a stabbing attack, according to witnesses.http://news.sky.com/story/knife-attack-after-car-mounts-pavement-in-london-reports-10903580
If this is what people suspect, this could get ugly.
Mike.
Schroeder
06-03-17, 06:06 PM
I'm sick and tired of this crap.:-?
There are also reports of other incidents in London, one in Vauxhall with the other in Borough Market.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/uk-40147014
Mike.
Three incidents have been reported so far. It's looking like a terror attack but at the moment this has not been confirmed.
British armed police rushed to three incidents in central London on Saturday after a van ploughed into pedestrians on London Bridge and reports of multiple stabbings in the nearby Borough Market area.http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-security-idUKKBN18U0VU
From SKY News..
KEY POINTS:
:: There are believed to be "multiple victims" after reports of gunfire and stabbings at three separate areas.
:: One witness said there was "tremendous gunfire" in the London Bridge area about 10 minutes before the emergency services arrived in large numbers
:: Footage show people fleeing from the scene after police tell people in the street and in bars to clear the area
:: Police have now responded to reports of stabbings in Borough Market, armed officers have responded and shots have been fire.
:: Police are also responding to an incident in Vauxhall in south London.
em2nought
06-03-17, 06:50 PM
Internment- everything old is new. Mayors included. :03:
17 million of one of the finest rifles ever produced with a service record almost a century old, and now the only choice for self defense is being told to run from a bunch of cavemen!
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BBC News
Theresa May statement on attacks
Posted at 0:46
Prime Minister Theresa May said: "Following updates from police and security officials, I can confirm that the terrible incident in London is being treated as a potential act of terrorism.
"This is a fast moving investigation. I want to express my huge gratitude to the police and emergency services who are on the scene. Our thoughts are with those who are caught up in these dreadful events."
Three incidents have been reported so far. It's looking like a terror attack but at the moment this has not been confirmed.
Gee!! I wonder what crowd it might be!!:hmmm::oops:
Nippelspanner
06-04-17, 03:03 AM
Rinse and repeat...
kraznyi_oktjabr
06-04-17, 03:13 AM
Gee!! I wonder what crowd it might be!!:hmmm::oops:What is interesting in this case is that Daesh has not (as far as I know) claimed responsibility for this. They have only praised and applauded.
They have only praised and applauded.
I should do that when they are killed. . . Oh wait, I do!!:D
No, I wouldn't stoop to their level, though I may have smiled a few times!!:yep:
Cybermat47
06-04-17, 04:05 AM
What is interesting in this case is that Daesh has not (as far as I know) claimed responsibility for this. They have only praised and applauded.
It wouldn't surprise me if none of these attacks were planned by ISIS, and they just claim responsibility every time some Islamist decides to murder some people :hmmm:
From a propaganda point of view, it makes sense.
The death toll has risen to seven, with 48 others injured, after the London terror attack in which three suspects were shot dead by police.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40148737
All three scum bags have been shot dead by police.
So far no one has claimed responsibility.
Skybird
06-04-17, 04:33 AM
Get the flowers and teddybears and candles ready. The Tears Heal the World road show is set to make its next stop in - wait, oh, its London again, its so nice to be home. Everybody will parrot how sad he is, serving his collective duty: you gotta be decent, always polite, always calm. Everybody will cry hot tears on camera. We will all have a really good time of wallowing in emotions and embracing strangers, and when we have finished, we enjoy the good feeling of having accomplished something really important that makes a difference, and we have laid out a strong sign to the world. And best is: the show is all for free and costs us nothing! :up:
Just confronting Islam, the ideology that motivates all this due to its content being what it is, nobody will dare to demand. We prefer to be cuddling lambs, soft and cute. Was like this the last many times in the past 16 years, promises to not change any time soon in the coming years.
Its like christmas mass: the priest in front tells the same old story over and over again, and still you go there and enjoy listening to it. We have learned to listen to the same old political and lobbyist, ideological statements time and again as well. Cannot escape to think we somehow enjoy that as well, maybe?!
So lets get started: I'm first and open the festival by saying it:
"Islam has nothing to do with it!"
Listen to the chorus!
Kinda sad to hear that Skybird, but it's quite true. . . I'll buy a ticket!!:yep:
Jimbuna
06-04-17, 07:34 AM
Theresa May says 'things need to change' and 'enough is enough'.
I thought she got everything into the right perspective and now is her chance to prove she is capable of protecting those she was elected to serve.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-40150162/london-attack-theresa-may-says-things-need-to-change
For anyone that might be interested, I'm not sure if this has been made public yet but my sources tell me that the 'Hereford Gun Club' were deployed last night and will automatically be around the 'next time'.
God help us if the alternative became a reality...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xHz7qPr0ss
Commander Wallace
06-04-17, 07:48 AM
It's been reported that 5 Individuals have been arrested in connection with the terrorist events. It seems almost impossible to separate radical Islam from those who want to practice Islam in peace. Even worse, native born and Indigenous people are being radicalized and pose a danger to their fellow citizens.
Law enforcement can't be everywhere to protects it's citizens either. I'm wondering if the time hasn't come for a referendum to be put in front of the citizenry of England to relax restrictions on gun ownership for it's citizens to not only be armed but also be allowed to carry weapons. While the political will is building to address the issue head on, allow people the right and ability to defend themselves and loved ones from attacks.
If you walk into a restaurant in the U.S, there is a good chance than one or more of those there are well armed. Armed people make poor targets. This philosophy may not apply to Europe but it may well be worth exploring. I'm wondering what people not only in England think but also in Germany and the rest of Europe.
I hope Theresa May can implement concrete solutions to protect it's people. Thoughts and prayers to those in England.
London attack: More armed police on duty in Scotland (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-40148992)
Scotland will see a "substantial" increase in the number of armed police on duty in the immediate aftermath of the London attack, the first minister has said.
But Nicola Sturgeon said there was no intelligence of any specific threat to Scotland.
Pretty much the same response as last time.
Apart from the Glasgow Airport attack (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Glasgow_Airport_attack) there hasn't been anything in Scotland. Like the IRA's bombing campaigns it appears that only England is being targeted. I wonder if the SNP's desire to separate Scotland from the rest of the UK is playing at least some part in the terrorists thinking about what and where they attack?:hmmm:
Fact is, Scotland has relatively few Muslim's in comparison with England. Likewise Wales and Northern Ireland.
Mike.
Moonlight
06-04-17, 08:35 AM
Theresa May is saying "Enough is Enough", there's “far too much tolerance of extremism” so what is the silly mare going to do then, nuke Birmingham, Bradford or Leeds to equal it out a bit.?
Oh No!, she's going to increase their prison sentences, what! that's it, excuse me you daft pillock but that won't stop these ******* idiots from committing these acts of terrorism will it. :doh:
Here's a radical solution for you Theresa you silly cow, why don't you remove their citizenship if they have any kind of terrorist links and deport the evil bastards back to the country of their ancestors infestation.
^And that goes for the entire bleeding immediate family as well.
Oh no, all you'll do is more hand wringing, more bleeding crocodile tears, more of we'll stand together, its not ******* good enough you stupid prat, get rid of them from this country now or give the people of this country a vote on the death penalty for them, including those terrorists currently in the prison system, that will show the people that you intend to do something positive instead of wringing your bleeding hands again.:up:
Rant Over, for now......
Well, the UK is leaving the EU so that means the death penalty could be re-introduced.
Problem is, death is exactly what they want.
Mike.
Moonlight
06-04-17, 09:38 AM
Well, the UK is leaving the EU so that means the death penalty could be re-introduced.
Problem is, death is exactly what they want.
Mike.
That's true, but the point is they won't be in control of the time or place of their death will they, going out with a whimper defeats their main agenda of a terrorist atrocity demise doesn't it. :yep:
Rockstar
06-04-17, 09:51 AM
Could always ship'em to Australia.
Skybird
06-04-17, 10:05 AM
They already all have started to dodge leading the ball once again. They all so far adressed, identified, talked of extremism as the problem, nobody directly seems to have mentioned the one ideology that is motivating these murderous primitives and that lends the scripture they base on. Nobody says "Islam".
Imagine this. Churchill would have declared war on Nazissism, not on Nazi-Germany, and urging his people and his American allies to not wage war against Germany, and not to fight against Nazism, only against Nazissism. The British foreign ministry pay<s money to Nazi party fat cats and finances Nazi events, money gets transfered to the Hitler regime and radar gets shared with the Wehrmacht, and Nazi cells and parties in Sweden, Chechoslowakia, and elsewhere, get funded by British taxes, while German Uboats sink British traders and German agents infiltrate Britain and do sabotage acts and build Nazi cells. And Goerings propaganda actually has nothing to do with the evil of Nazissism, says Churchill in my little alternative history scenario, and the Germans by vast majority are good Nazis, but no evil Nazissis, which makes them qualifying for our respect and tolerance and friendship, even more so since the Nazis did so much für building Britain and English culture. Hitler's "Mein Kampf" is an often misquoted book, Churchill continues, and many bad quotations are ripped out of context to abuse them for justifying the bad deeds of evil Nazissism, whereas good Nazis get led and motivated by it to live a good life or mutual friendship and respect for Jews (which Nazism always has proteced and held in high esteem, you know). And anyway, you cannot understand Mein Kamp correctly as long as you have not read it in its original language - German - , a translation is always leaving so much out. Nazism and the German people have nothing to do with the holocaust, Poland attacked Germny first, and anyhow - lets do not hold all those Germans accountable for the deeds carried out by a few Nazissis. Nazissis, and Nazi-Germany, that are two very different things. and has Germany not been terirbly offended by the Allied victory in WWI, and did Versaille not terribly radicalise the German Nazis?
Imagine Churchill would have babbled such nonsense. Maybe one day he would have ended up hanging from a lightpole after another wave of V2s have smacked into London. But this very nonsense, this utmost drivel, this mind garbage and declaration of intellectual bancruptcy, is beign babbled all the time nowadays, in the context of Islam's war against all non-Muslim mankind. A war, a power-fantasy it follows and dreams of since almost one and a half millenia now, with no end in sight. The claim is for all, and it has never been less than that, just the potence, the military ressoruces ofteh have lacked to drive forweard this cause. No peace as long as there is somethign left that still is not Islam's. What is not Muslim, is a challenge, an offence, a cause for war, it must be remoived, else there can be no peace.
Everybody is afraid of looking the enemy into his face, to meet his eyes, to provoke him this way. Everybody stares into the sky, into the opposite direction, to the ground, at the dog, the bird flying by.
Some weasels can dance on eggs as long as they want, but they cannot change the truth, reality never bends to ideology and self-censorship. "Its about Islam, stupid."
kraznyi_oktjabr
06-04-17, 10:08 AM
Well, the UK is leaving the EU so that means the death penalty could be re-introduced.Unfortunately death penalty prohibition is part of European Convention on Human Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Convention_on_Human_Rights) of 1950, not EU legislation. That convention also established European Court of Human Rights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Human_Rights) so leaving EU won't relieve you from it's jurisdication.
Problem is, death is exactly what they want.
Mike.Yeah. Only thing they would not want is indefinite isolation from anyone else in their very own little box. However that would be considered inhumane punishment...
Catfish
06-04-17, 11:35 AM
Teresa May can say what she wants, it is not in her capability to prevent this. Most of those attackers are not immigrants, but people living in the UK for decades, with a british passport.
MI5 has already officially said that single assassins radicalising themselves are impossible to spot and detained in time. This is a confession of failure. Not that any other or european nations (sry i know the UK does not want to be 'european' but...) have better solutions, or ideas.
So the question is what can really be done instead of talking about death penalty and hysterically running around like headless chickens.
What radicalises those people? Why do some do it, and not others? Is it really Islam? Or poverty? No job? No chance for a good life? The Internet? The urge of yobs (is this br. slang, for silly teenagers?) to set a sign for whatever?
How do we get any control about this, how to prevent this. Kill all muslims? Throw them all out? But there were muslim doctors and drivers of rescue vehicles who are also muslims, and there are much more of them than terrorists. Also anyone can use a fake passport and immigrate or just visit the country later for whatever reason to assassinate, this is not the solution.
So what?
Rockstar
06-04-17, 11:54 AM
To be honest its gonna take a heckuva a lot of time to denazify islam. And until THEY see it for what it is the killing of unbelievers in the name of their peace loving god will continue.
Here's a radical solution for you Theresa you silly cow, why don't you remove their citizenship if they have any kind of terrorist links and deport the evil bastards back to the country of their ancestors infestation.
^And that goes for the entire bleeding immediate family as well.
I agree but what of the home grown head bangers?
Onkel Neal
06-04-17, 01:54 PM
It's been reported that 5 Individuals have been arrested in connection with the terrorist events. It seems almost impossible to separate radical Islam from those who want to practice Islam in peace. Even worse, native born and Indigenous people are being radicalized and pose a danger to their fellow citizens.
I wholeheartedly agree, the onus is on the peaceful Muslims to police their own children, their spiritual leaders, and their neighbors. I said this in 2003, and I stand by it. I offer all my sympathy and support to peaceful Muslims but they are the front line of this war and if they want to avoid suspicion and violence against them, they need to step up and clean up their culture.
em2nought
06-04-17, 02:30 PM
Any kind of future UK citizenship test should clearly involve spitting on the Quran as a demonstration of primary loyalty. Free complimentary photo included, just as a little insurance. :D
Skybird
06-04-17, 04:53 PM
Three attacks in Britain alone in less than three months.
What many already have forgotten: in the same time period, five more terror attacks like these have been spoiled by British police at the last minute.
Denazification of Islam, as Rockstar put it, is not possible. The result of denazificaiton in Germany was the - intended but not completed - annihilation of Nazism. A deislamisation of Islam necessarily would mean the same objective.
I remind of the facts known about the murderers from madrid and London over a decade ago, catfish. These were no social low class people, no loosers with lacking perspective. They were academics, students, social middle class, with good job perspectives and solid income, described to have been well integrated. IS did not exist back then. Will you never give up your social romanticising about injustice and poverty being the catalyst to turn social losers into radical mass murderers, Catfish? And what is with the many social loosers in Western societies that are not Muslim - but so very less often end up as hate-dripping mass murderers - are they genetically different from Muslim haters, is that what you think? Why are so many Muslims ticking out, and so few others who are in even worse material, social conditions? The difference is not genes. The difference is - this damn ideology that the one group confesses to, and the other not.
You already are on this strange trip again to seek all guilt in the West once again. As always.
The content of Islamic ideology, the message of the prophet - this is all answer you need to all your rhetoric questions.
Its the ideology - this. Ideology.
I know you will not accept that as a fact. But it is a fact. In the end, you simply do not know what you try to talk about, and parrot the Zeitgeist clichees and mainstream media propaganda feeds about humanistic Islam and how peaceful and tolerant it is . You do not talk about Islam. You talk about what you would like Islam to be already. But that is not the Islam of the scripture and the Islam of the Muslims of the past one and a half millenia. Its your wishful thinking only that you base on. Not more. Long time ago, our forefathers were like them: fanatic zealots still taking the writing of the old testament literally. But in the West, and elsewhere, we have developed, we have advanced, we have moved on. Muslim societies still are where they were onethousand fourhundred years ago. Stasis. Paralysis. Resulting in fatalism. Cognitive dissonance between the glory they want to shine in, but which they never were capable to sow for, sinc Muhammad made so drmataically sure that they were left with nothing else than his damn artifical cult that in parts is nothing but a chepa copy of the Jewish and Christian relgion, and that he secured by mercielssly wiping out all intellectual educaiton and scinetific tradition that could lead to rebellion and quesutoning the relguous dogma. The Cahtolic churhc ince tried that, too, but it lost against overwhelming odds in the end - but Islam succeeded until today in the very same repressive effort. We have had the reserve of a rich cutural heritage, namely the Greeks. It was enough to compensate for the many failures and dark chaoters there also have been, and to move beyond these, in the end. Bur the Arab sphere - never has had such a cultural reserve. And that is why a reform of Islam, or a revolt, there never was.
Islam cannot be modenrised or reformed, that would mean to edit the will and law and word of God, and who are th human dwarfes to argue with Allah?
What must happen, is this: Islam has to go. Like Nazism had to go. Fascism. Nobody ever considered to reform nazism, or to give fascism a humanistic face. They had to go. They were and are evil. And so is Islam.
Kick it. "Muslim" is nothign racial, it is no ethnic identity, it is not about biology or genetics. Its a chosen ideology. And with people who stay loyal to this ideology I do not wish to have anything to do with, and I do not care whether they are loyal bcasue they indeed fully understand its ciontent, or whether they have illusions about it, basing on lacking insight and lacking educaiton about it. the latter are what in German are called Mitläufer. They are as dnageorus as the first group, since they escuse and gloss over the dark nature of Islam and is inherent totalitarinaism and supremcism, they help to make it appear in deceptive clothing, to cheta the world and to hide the harm it means to our own values, laws, cultural identities.
Statistically, the often claimed silent majority of tolerant, friendly Muslims is an urban legend anyway, statistics about the dominant piniosn and views expressed amongst the Muslim populations in Muslim countries as well as in the West have debunked these myths since many years already, and repeatedly. What the West calls usually orthodox or close to radical Islam - is the dominant mainstream opinion amongst the global Muslim population. Westerners simple do not want to learn about that. But it has been shown and dekjnstrated from studies published in the time between the world wars, to studies and polls done in the modern present. I also know if from own experience in these countries. The so-called Euro-Islam the EU is babbling about: is nothign but a self-made illusion. It does not exist as a lineage of mentionable size and influence.
There is no Islamism. There is no different Qurans anymore . There is no cherry-picking and no soace for reform. Either you are with us or you are dead, that is how Muhammad ticked. There is not several versions of Allah. There is just one god. And one prohet. And one Islam. And the general agreeing on the abrogation principle. And thats it. Full stop. Period. Basta.
Islamic State group claims responsibility for London attackshttp://abc7.com/news/islamic-state-group-claims-responsibility-for-london-attacks/2064903/
http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/london-terror-attack-islamic-state-claim-responsibility-792326.html
I erased my comment it was wrong
Markus
Cybermat47
06-04-17, 06:02 PM
I wholeheartedly agree, the onus is on the peaceful Muslims to police their own children, their spiritual leaders, and their neighbors. I said this in 2003, and I stand by it. I offer all my sympathy and support to peaceful Muslims but they are the front line of this war and if they want to avoid suspicion and violence against them, they need to step up and clean up their culture.
Well said.
I wholeheartedly agree, the onus is on the peaceful Muslims to police their own children, their spiritual leaders, and their neighbors. I said this in 2003, and I stand by it. I offer all my sympathy and support to peaceful Muslims but they are the front line of this war and if they want to avoid suspicion and violence against them, they need to step up and clean up their culture.
This. This is where the fight against radicalization will be won. I don't think my own country will ever be able to shift it's focus to support such a fight, but the US can (I believe at least). It is vital to get to the bottom of all this.
Schroeder
06-05-17, 03:24 AM
One big step would be to forbid foreign Imams to preach in Europe (or anywhere else in the West for that matter). There are attempts being made here in Germany to train Imams here under German supervision. That would make sure we know who is preaching and would stop the radical fanatics from Turkey and other countries to come here and preach as they do now. A lot of them don't even speak the language of the country. That needs to stop.
One big step would be to forbid foreign Imams to preach in Europe (or anywhere else in the West for that matter). There are attempts being made here in Germany to train Imams here under German supervision. That would make sure we know who is preaching and would stop the radical fanatics from Turkey and other countries to come here and preach as they do now. A lot of them don't even speak the language of the country. That needs to stop.
I think it's too late for that. Moderate Muslims open to reform that can accept that (Sweden at least) is a secular country need to work with authorities to stop Imams from spreading extremism and encourage people to fight integration into the host society and equality and independence for women. We have recently allowed the construction of the largest Mosques in scandinavia in an area of Sweden that is already fighting the results of poor integration. It is bankrolled by Qatar and will have a salafist agenda from what I understand. I'm not sure that is a very good idea, but I guess time will tell.
Catfish
06-05-17, 04:05 AM
Yes Skybird, we have seen how the catholics had to disappear in North Ireland, to end terrorism. Or, kill all Irish instead.
"Irish Catholicism, I insist, is a religion of peace—even if some of its most visible adherents seem to indicate otherwise. They, I protest, are not true Catholics."
http://www.dukechronicle.com/article/2016/03/we-must-distinguish-the-irish-from-irish-terrorism
"I guess there must just be some unknowable reason that Muslims get a reputation for all being violent terrorists and the Irish don’t."
Too be honest nothing will really be done about these people as politicians have a habit of cutting around the edges and selling it to the people who then buy it.
Too be honest nothing will really be done about these people as politicians have a habit of cutting around the edges and selling it to the people who then buy it.
Indeed. I have seen a shift in behaviour among my Facebook-friends though. It's been a lot of posturing and virtue signaling with nonsensical statements about loving everyone, making 'hand hearts' and changing profile pictures after every 'incident'. This did not happen with Manchester or now with London. Not sure what that means if anything.
Von Due
06-05-17, 08:49 AM
What politicians be it MPs or mayors have to say is not terribly interesting. What would be interesting but unrealistic is to hear what police and intel have to say without them having a politician on their shoulders telling them what to say. Often some chief of police have a politicised, empty speech, rarely do intel speak out directly and "never" without politics in mind. It makes sense from an investigative point of view but the interesting bits are either wrapped up in thick layers of noise or completely abscent.
It would be interesting to hear precicely what they really think of the laws and popular opinions that make it near impossible to have a successful investigation of suspects who hide behind foreign relations, domestic laws and silence while mapping out who to reach out for to recruit as or encourage to be the next attacker.
It felt good to read that a few people stood up to the POS with the knives, they started throwing glasses, beer bottles, and chairs at them! And felt damned good to read that the security forces shot and killed them so quickly!
Jimbuna
06-06-17, 05:27 AM
It felt good to read that a few people stood up to the POS with the knives, they started throwing glasses, beer bottles, and chairs at them! And felt damned good to read that the security forces shot and killed them so quickly!
Agreed and if anyone visits the relevent area on the BBC website they can read of first hand accounts of said acts, some of which must have taken incredible amounts of bravery to perform.
Many of the acts were taken by foreign nationals which just goes to show London is truly an international city :salute:
When actual, innocent, human lives are at stake, borders have a tendency to disappear and are replaced with basic human decency and the need to help a fellow person in distress...
<O>
Jimbuna
06-06-17, 05:59 AM
A few links that outline some of the heroicsa:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40149836
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-bridge-attack-stories-of-heroism-emerge-after-night-of-horror_uk_59340a32e4b02478cb9c6e0e
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/london-bridge-attack-acts-of-kindness_uk_5933c22de4b0c242ca24c50e
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3718284/london-bridge-attack-hero-gerard-vowles-guilt-woman-stabbed/
~SALUTE~
Pretty impressive with what they did Jim, took a lot of courage to do that.
Jimbuna
06-06-17, 02:53 PM
Pretty impressive with what they did Jim, took a lot of courage to do that.
True that :yep:
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