Ubuntu Linux questions

[Reece]

I have installed Ubuntu 16.04 LTE and on the LH side of the screen is a button called Ubuntu Software, in this I typed in a program called "Krusader" if I hit the Install button I am confronted with a password, it is not my system password and I am running as Administrator.
Can someone assist.
Thanks.

[THEBERBSTER]

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Peter

[Rockin Robbins]

Hello there! Whenever you start a software that can install software you are prompted for your password before you are given administrator privileges, even if you are logged into an administrator level account. This is the same password you use to log into the system on startup.

Ubuntu Software, Synaptic Package Manager and gdebi, along with the command prompt apt programs all require this password. You are asked when you start the program and then until you log off the program your credentials are good.

For instance, if I were to install Krusader from the command prompt I would type "sudo apt-get install Krusader" The system would respond with "Administrator password: " and I would have to enter my password, even though my account has administrator privileges.

Sudo means "supervisor do," apt-get is the name of the program that installs software (even the gui is using this routine), install is what you want apt-get to do and you want it to install Krusader.

I'll check out Krusader when I get home to see if I encounter anything strange there.

[Reece]

I don't have a password to log in to Ubuntu at the start but if the computer sits for too long it turns partly off and moving the mouse starts it up again. I am prompted with a password and I enter it and all is going again, this password will not work when I try to install Krusader via "Ubuntu Software".:hmmm:
I still have a lot of reading and learning to do yet, the book pointed to this button and thought I'd give it a try on something I want to install.:yep:
Thanks.

[Rockin Robbins]

So you're looking at this screen?
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Now if Ubuntu starts without a password one of two things is happening:


You didn't set up a password. In this case just hit enter when it asks for your password and you're off to the races.
You set up a password but told Ubuntu to automatically log you in. In that case you must remember your administrator password used when you first set up Ubuntu and type it in. Ubuntu passwords are case sensitive. Bob and bob are two entirely different words.

[Reece]

If I put in my password and enter I get "Your authentication attempt was unsuccessful, Please try again." The same thing if I leave it blank and hit enter.:hmmm:
I tried changing the password that was only 6 characters long and it wouldn't let me unless it had a minimum of 8, so maybe that was the problem, the new longer password worked or seemed to. The icon for Krusader is on the left bar, pointing to it displays "waiting to install" after 15 minutes nothing has changed, if I right click on it it shows "Krusader - root mode", what ever that is!!:doh:
Edit:
It seems this is a bug!!! Typical the first thing I try fails!!:yep:
Seems "Ubuntu Software Center" is useless, I now have to try an app called GDebi, now it is one thing to download it but how do I install it, and where?
I then have to open a terminal (haven't learned how to do that yet), and enter the following: "sudo apt-get install gdebi" or does this download it and install it????:doh:
I will try to read up on this!!:hmmm:
Edit:
Well I managed to get the updater going and updated 191mb of stuff, the Ubuntu Software Center is working now but ever so slow!! Not sure if updating actually fixed it but it is done. The book is definitely out dated and will have to pay the extra $$ to get a copy that covers this version.
I can't seem to find a list/menu of installed applications, the only way I can find them is through Ubuntu Software Center, there must be an easier way!!
The IT person that installed this selected 16.04 LTE, should I stick to this or update it?:hmmm:

This is a screenshot of the desktop:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/Ubuntu%20Screenshot%202_zpswbos6erf.jpg (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/Reecehk/media/Ubuntu%20Screenshot%202_zpswbos6erf.jpg.html)

[Reece]

Can't seem to find any applications!!:/\\!!
I made a new folder on the desktop and want to place some shortcuts to applications here and although there are many applications installed I can't find even one!!! Help!!!:oops:

[Skybird]

Reece, do you know why they have developed Linux Mint (which bases heavily on Ubuntu, as far as I understand)? Because it is meant to make migration from Windows to Mint easier than any other Linux distribution. That is its big advantage.

As long as you are no deep-digging computer insider, you simply do not need the additional options that ubuntu may offer, while being able to use many of the Ubuntu-apps nevertheless - as I said Ubuntu and Mint are very close.

Before you frustrate yourself any longer and then turn into one of those voices telling the world that Linux is so difficult and so unkind :), I would consider to get myself an introductory book on Ubuntu, or Mint, and then start from scratch. I do not know Ubuntu, but Mint a little bit now, as long as no technical problems show up indeed is easy handling. Linux becomes more difficult to handle once there are problems, because one needs to have far more technical background knowledge on commands and syntax rules than you need under Windows until W7, due to the need to use the command line interpreter then. Could a Windows user all of a sudden get along when needing to use MSDOS? Hardly. That is the one bad news with Linux: you reach this critical point earlier than you use to reach it under W7. The good news is that once running, Linux is more problem-free than Windows, and more reliable, and faster. Also, those knowing the mentioned text interface and its syntax, can repair problems under Linux that in a windows environment are more difficult to solve.

Go to the library or bookshop, and find one of these Linux-for-Dummies book or something like that. A beginner book. Nothing bad in that - i did like that myself, too! Read for an afternoon, and then when you feel prepared well enough and have inhaled some of the basics and differences that indeed also exist, compared to Windows, install new - and do it yourself. What I mean is: be prepared.

Consider Mint over Ubuntu. Robbins will disagree, but he has a far more elaborated perspective and probably can make use of the differences between Ubuntu and Mint, has a need for it. I could not, and have no need for these diferences - and I assume you would not have that need, too. There is a reason why today Mint has overtaken Ubuntu in user numbers. It is the most popular of all the Linux distrubutions.

What I mean, is this: from your descriptions I cannot even form an image of what your situation is, that confusing it is for me. :)

If you stick with your current Ubuntu, search for the one dominant Ubuntu community forum that must be out there somewhere, to get input on your problems. I know the according Mint communties, and I am certain Ubuntu has pendants to that. Then ask them and describe your status in as much linear clarity (I mean the exact sequence of your actions) and detail as you can. If these guys are like those I met in the Mint forum, they will not stop helping you until they got you set on your right course - and they will react fast.

Good luck!

[Reece]

Hi Skybird, an IT friend of mine together with advise from Rockin Robbins have had Ubuntu installed on this dual booting with Windows 10 Pro. I am not good at this so although Mint may be better I am stuck with this setup.
I'm in for the long haul, every now and then I get a break through and advance that bit more.
The only real hassle is when an application is installed where does it go? and since they are not exe files I'm finding it hard to figure out how to work with them, what ever they are!!!:hmmm:
I had purchased 2 books online and both turned out to be old (version 12.04), nothing like this version, I have now purchased a book for this version and slowly working through it, maybe I am jumping the gun a bit and should turn the pc off.:yep:
I am quite familiar with MSDOS and even better the CP/M systems. (showing my age again) I preferred these but that was many years ago.
The book I am currently reading is "Getting Started With Ubuntu 16.04".
Yes I guess eventually I will join an Ubuntu group.:timeout:

[Skybird]

Sorry that I cannot be of greater help here. Good luck.

[Rockin Robbins]

Unfortunately, Mint is a dying distro, pulling back services and dev team shrinking. Something is seriously wrong in Mintville. The root cause is that Mint brings nothing to the table.

When Mint was the early adopter of Mate, there was an argument for using it. But Mate was added to the Ubuntu repository, then later, Ubuntu Mate became an additional full service flavor of Ubuntu.

Now Mint, with a tiny dev team barely able to keep up with Ubuntu development anyway, had their services (highly overrated--there's no advantage at all for Windows migration vs Ubuntu) done faster and better by the Ubuntu Mate team. Check and mate (pun fully intended hehehehehe). Game over.

In a year I predict there will be no Mint. They will join the Ubuntu Mate team and go forth boldly as it should have been in the beginning.

[Reece]

The new book is really helping out, starting finally to enjoy it!!:yep:
I have learned about the Dash where I found the applications, have dragged the ones I want to the desktop, made folders (Utilities, Games & Applications) and moved the appropriate icons to them.:up: Quite a few apps I didn't know existed, I like the look of the Terminal Icon, I should be able to cause trouble here.:yep:

[Skybird]

I put my money on those who already 2-3 years ago predicted that Mint will kind of divorce from ubuntu sooner or later and go along the Debian trail exclusively. Augurs already in 2013 predicted the soon to come death of Mint - and since then it became instead stronger and more popular with every year. Like others predict since 20 years that Linux is about to take over gaming from Windows, which until today just is not the case, not even closely. What tech insiders and developers see as essentials, must not necessarily be what is relevant for the ordinary user, both perspectives are very different ones, a lesson last but not least learned from microsoft and W10. And even if Mint would be stopped, it nevertheless would be a stop not happening over night, but over years. The current 18.1 distribution is having LTS (8long time support) for until 2021, 5 years since release, that is. If every couple of years one has to renew the OS (I did it once per year under Windows, to clean the system and make it faster again), there probably is nothing too drastic to complain about. - But ringing the panic bell over MintS' imminent death, is a bit irresponsible, I think. It can push people into plenty of needless work for essentially nothing within the coming years. And that Mint indeed is dying, is so far nothing but a guessing game. When I read comparing numbers on distributions of Linux in last Decembre, Mint still was the widest-spread version of Linux out there, and it still gets many recommendations from publicatiosn and book authors, for its easy accessability. Things can change, yes, but no need to ring general quarters already now. Ten years ago Suse Linux was the latest call, and today it is almost gone. A lot can happen in ten years. But ten years are just this: TEN YEARS.

The some weeks ago reported problems of mine with the updater btw were found to be users fault meanwhile. My 18.1 Mint works flawless, smooth and fine, with the only excption of my damn printer. When i have consumed my still big ink cartridge reserves, i will buy a compatible Brother or HP one. Printer incompatabilties exist in all Linux distributions. And as long as Ubunutu has no decisive advanatge in that field, I have no motivation to consider it. Whatever it may do differently - I do not miss these different features at all.

[propbeanie]

Right-click context menus abound in Ubuntu also, and you can get to quite a few things with those...

[Reece]

Yes I'm discovering that!! Thanks.:up:

Edit:
Just enabled ufw and installed gufw, all working nicely!!:yep:
Even edited the grub file boot order, worked a treat!!:up:

[Rockin Robbins]

Mint will kind of divorce from ubuntu sooner or later and go along the Debian trail exclusively.
That appears to be part of the problem. Not installing security updates in the kernel is another. If Mint divorces itself from Ubuntu it loses the world's largest and most reliable repository of curated and malware-free software.

The software repositories are the only strength Mint has left. Going down its roadmapped way, it will lose everything. They should concentrate on developing Cinnamon and making it available for other distros. The Mint dev crew doesn't have the horsepower to remain relevant.

There have been plenty of distros with similar troubles. The bottom line is regressing to Debian means an aged software basis four or five years behind the present state of the art. It means abandoning the incredible Ubuntu software repositories. The size and quality of software repositories is a quality much more important even than using Cinnamon vs Unity. If you have nothing to run they way you run it doesn't matter. And you can run (I am) Cinnamon in Ubuntu anyway.

Mint has nothing to offer. As it stands, it's slightly modified Ubuntu. If it abandons its Ubuntu base and the Ubuntu repositories, it loses its greatest assets. It then becomes a five years out of date Debian clone that runs Cinnamon, also available in Debian and Ubuntu.

Here's a well balanced discussion (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/stephenbridges007@gmail.com) of the situation from a variety of people from Mint fanatics to Mint critics. It's an interesting read.

And there's this story (https://betanews.com/2016/12/11/linux-mint-resources-kde-plasma-kubuntu/#comments)about how Mint has to give up developing their KDE Plasma version and is farming that out to the Kubuntu team. Did I predict something about Mint ceasing to exist and merging with some of the Ubuntu teams? It's already happening.

It'll all work out in the end. In the Linux world it always does.

[Rockin Robbins]

I'm trying out an up and coming browser, Vivaldi, in Ubuntu here. It's a cross-platform browser, working in Windows, Linux (lotsa flavors!) and Mac. It really looks clean and nice, works snappily too. It had a somewhat rocky start, but I like it a lot now! Great to see a team come from nowhere and do something new and exciting!

[BarracudaUAK]

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The only real hassle is when an application is installed where does it go? and since they are not exe files I'm finding it hard to figure out how to work with them, what ever they are!!!:hmmm:
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I am quite familiar with MSDOS and even better the CP/M systems. (showing my age again) I preferred these but that was many years ago.
...





Where the program is installed to depends on what program you are installing.

For example, installing DirectX in Windows, it would install to the Windows folder.
If you where installing Steam, you can install it where ever you like.
PLEASE NOTE: I'm referring to Windows up to WinXP.

In Linux, programs install to a predetermined point based on what part of the OS they are, and what they are designed to do.


The Kernel(s) install to the /boot directory
(which may be its own partition), where your machines boot info is stored.
(Everything I've ever read about it leads me to believe that is where they are, but it's late, I'm tired, and I've had to redo this a few times so far!)

Other programs might install to your "home" directory.
Let's assume that your username is "Reece".

So your "home" directory, would be:
/home/Reece
If you install Steam in Linux, after running the Steam installer, Steam would install in:
/home/Reece/Steam

This would mean that if RR was on the same system, his home directory would be:
/home/RR
He could neither see, or access your Steam folder, as his Steam install would be:
/home/RR/Steam

As far as passwords are concerned:
There are 3 MAIN user levels in Linux:
User
Super User (or Power User)
root

The one thing to remember, Linux is based on the same "standard" that Unix is/was.
UNIX was a MAINFRAME OS, meaning that all the low level users had "dumb terminals", and "root" was the system administrator sitting on the mainframe itself.

IF you are a Super User, you have the "authority" to install and remove programs using the "official" means.

Root on the other hand, can do whatever he/she wants.



Barracuda

[Reece]

Thanks for the heads up, looking at those files is a nightmare, I will wait till I know a lot more.
I now want to install Wine for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, I got the Ubuntu Software Center to search and it seems to only come up with a development version 1.9.6. Should I install this?:hmmm:
I could just download it from firefox but again not sure of a suitable version.

Should I install version 2.0 this way:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ricotz/unstable
sudo apt update (I don't have a previous version, is this needed?)
sudo apt install wine2.0

[Reece]

I'm trying out an up and coming browser, Vivaldi, in Ubuntu here. It's a cross-platform browser, working in Windows, Linux (lotsa flavors!) and Mac. It really looks clean and nice, works snappily too. It had a somewhat rocky start, but I like it a lot now! Great to see a team come from nowhere and do something new and exciting!

Looks interesting, one of the most important things to me is the Bookmarks, I assume they will be similar to firefox.:hmmm:
How easy is it to adjust to taste? (settings) Firefox is a bit of a pain imo.
Let us know your final decision whether it gets a :up: or a :down:

[Skybird]

I still have not figured out how to bind in a second Hd and then have not just data (archives for exmaple) stored there, but stuff being installed there. Okay, the second HD is bind into the system now, but I cannot install there, only manually store data and archives there.

All input I got on that in anothe forum so far tells me that this is to so easily possible. I have a hard time to bveleive that, since it would represent a monumental disadvantage of Linux, if true.

My laptop has a small SSD where Linux was preinstalled, and a 1 TB HD that I intended to use for installing working/gaming software. So far I ave not had any need to do so and only manually moved some mp3 and photo arhcives on the second, big HD. But if I would want to install some Steam-Linux games on the second HD with its much bigger storage capacity - how to do that?

This is one of the things that has driven me crazy so far.

[Rockin Robbins]

I still have not figured out how to bind in a second Hd and then have not just data (archives for exmaple) stored there, but stuff being installed there. Okay, the second HD is bind into the system now, but I cannot install there, only manually store data and archives there.

All input I got on that in anothe forum so far tells me that this is to so easily possible. I have a hard time to bveleive that, since it would represent a monumental disadvantage of Linux, if true.

My laptop has a small SSD where Linux was preinstalled, and a 1 TB HD that I intended to use for installing working/gaming software. So far I ave not had any need to do so and only manually moved some mp3 and photo arhcives on the second, big HD. But if I would want to install some Steam-Linux games on the second HD with its much bigger storage capacity - how to do that?

This is one of the things that has driven me crazy so far.
Did they actually tell you that couldn't be done? Foolish mortals. Here's the deal. The file tree in Linux isn't a literal file tree as we think of in Windows. In fact (play the mysterious music) EVERYTHING in Linux is a file: monitors, disk drives, printers, keyboards.........yikes.

Everything Linux does is organized into a tree and each part of that tree can live wherever you wish. If you make a partition and register it as /.home it's your home directory! The easy way to do this stuff is to identify the part of the tree that needs to live on another drive.

Here is some light reading (http://askubuntu.com/questions/27213/what-is-the-linux-equivalent-to-windows-program-files) that will blow what remains of your mind after reading the above. There basically is no Linux equivalent to Windows' \program files or \program files (x86) directories. Programs hang out in /bin or /sbin or /usr/bin or usr/share or /opt or /usr/local. That's fine. But then it gets crazy. Linux programs aren't little mutually exclusive universes. They share capabilities with each other by sharing all their libraries--the equivalent of Windows' .dll files.

So when I install 7zip in Linux, its functions are picked up and used by the Archive Manager, which picks up the ability to use 7zip files! so you better include /lib, /lib32 and /lib64 in your list of directories to move to the big mondo-drive.

Okay, you know what is good to move. Here's the plan. First you copy the directory you want moved to the other drive. Then you put a symbolic link in the Linux directory tree to have it look there.

So if you're moving /somedirectory to a new drive you'd do this
mv /somedirectory /media/otherdisk/somedirectory
ln -s /mnt/otherdisk/somedirectory /somedirectoryYour path to another drive may be /mnt/<diskname> instead of /media/.. like in Ubuntu. The first line moves the directory to your other disk and path of your choosing. I'd use cp (copy) instead of mv (move) because I'm just chicken that I'd break something.... Once it works you can delete the original directory with "rm /somedirectory."

The second line says make a link (symbolic) for your other disk directory into the tree of /somedirectory. Then whenever Linux needs to reference /somedirectory it will look where it lives (http://askubuntu.com/questions/227713/install-apps-to-another-disk), thanks to the symbolic link.

[Rockin Robbins]

Vivaldi (http://https://vivaldi.com) is configurable in a way both easy and comprehensive. It has Windows 10-like square corners, but is much more attractive than Windows 10 software. The one thing that's impressed me so far is how darned fast pages load. I haven't tried importing bookmarks yet.

It works bookmarks, history, downloads and other things you can add to a retractable side panel that's really neat. Then, for history, for instance, you can expand into a whole window. The way Vivaldi works history is really amazing, with graphs, top domains visited.....they really remade what a history is supposed to do.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/Screenshot%20from%202017-04-02%2008-21-43_zpshgo3gidb.png

[Rockin Robbins]

And I just installed Veeam Agent for Linux in my machine, a kinda equivalent of my favorite backup, Veeam Endpoint Backup, for Windows.

http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/steverobbinsUbuntuMonster%20_087_zpsbfkv8tep.jpg

Yes, it runs in a terminal window and does a proper disk image, not just a files backup. Looks great so far and I like running things in the terminal anyway.

[Rockin Robbins]

Thanks for the heads up, looking at those files is a nightmare, I will wait till I know a lot more.
I now want to install Wine for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, I got the Ubuntu Software Center to search and it seems to only come up with a development version 1.9.6. Should I install this?:hmmm:
I could just download it from firefox but again not sure of a suitable version.

Should I install version 2.0 this way:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ricotz/unstable
sudo apt update (I don't have a previous version, is this needed?)
sudo apt install wine2.0

Sorry, I missed this post. No, I wouldn't install it that way.

I'd use the same rules I use for installing software in Windows, plus hooking repositories into Ubuntu Software and Synaptic Package Manager whenever possible. That way Software Update will update these programs every time it runs and you never have to look for the latest version again. Always go direct to the source group that makes the program. Then hook their repositories to Ubuntu so you can just download them in Ubuntu Software or Synaptic Package Manager.

The place to get WINE stuff is Winehq. Go to this page (https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu) and follow instructions:
If you have previously installed a Wine package from another repository, please remove it and any packages that depend on it (e.g., wine-mono, wine-gecko, winetricks) before attempting to install the WineHQ packages, as they may cause dependency conflicts.

If your system is 64 bit, enable 32 bit architecture (if you haven't already):

sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386
Add the repository:

wget https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/Release.key
sudo apt-key add Release.key
sudo apt-add-repository https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/
Update packages:

sudo apt-get update
Then install one of the following packages:

Stable branch
sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-stable
Development branch
sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-devel
Staging branch
sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-staging


Actually, once you get to "sudo apt-get update" after you do that you can search for and install the latest WINE from Ubuntu Software or Synaptic because you've integrated the download process into the operating system itself with that last command. I went for the development branch and have never been sorry I did.

[Reece]

Thanks for that RR, I know nothing about commands yet, getting through the books but a way off yet.:yep:
Well if all goes well Wine should work, not game to try it yet.
This is what I did, entered the following commands:
sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386

wget https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/Release.key
sudo apt-key add Release.key
sudo apt-add-repository https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/

sudo apt-get update

Then used Ubuntu Software Center to search and install Wine development version, Hopefully that is correct.:oops::yep:

I noticed an app called "Configure Wine", what do you think of that?
If I install that do I need to run any commands?:hmmm:
Thanks again.

Edit:
Whoops I fluffed that up, I have that "Configure Wine" application in the installed list in Ubuntu Software Center with an "Install" button, not a "remove" button, if I am not to install it how do I get the app out of the installed list?

[BarracudaUAK]

Thanks for the heads up, looking at those files is a nightmare, I will wait till I know a lot more.
I now want to install Wine for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, I got the Ubuntu Software Center to search and it seems to only come up with a development version 1.9.6. Should I install this?:hmmm:
I could just download it from firefox but again not sure of a suitable version.

Should I install version 2.0 this way:

sudo add-apt-repository ppa:ricotz/unstable
sudo apt update (I don't have a previous version, is this needed?)
sudo apt install wine2.0

Sorry, I missed this post. No, I wouldn't install it that way.

I'd use the same rules I use for installing software in Windows, plus hooking repositories into Ubuntu Software and Synaptic Package Manager whenever possible. That way Software Update will update these programs every time it runs and you never have to look for the latest version again. Always go direct to the source group that makes the program. Then hook their repositories to Ubuntu so you can just download them in Ubuntu Software or Synaptic Package Manager.

The place to get WINE stuff is Winehq. Go to this page (https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu) and follow instructions:


Actually, once you get to "sudo apt-get update" after you do that you can search for and install the latest WINE from Ubuntu Software or Synaptic because you've integrated the download process into the operating system itself with that last command. I went for the development branch and have never been sorry I did.


Due to external interference, my update from Fedora 24 to 25 failed, so I had to install 25 from disk, so my Ubuntu Virtual Machine isn't functioning at this time....

1.9.6 isn't a 'bad' version, it is just 1 year old.
Depending on which program you are trying to run, newer, is not necessarily better.
I say this because the Steam DX11 version of Red Faction Guerilla ran great in DX11 mode in 1.9.8, but 1.9.9, all the way up to the current 2.3 (that I have installed) it no longer works. Although, the DX9 mode still works well.
This is what is known as a "regression".

However, WINE 2.0 is a STABLE release.

Unstable "branches" may not be "unstable", but they are not tested enough to be "sure".

Usually what the "package maintainers" do, is exactly what RR quotes, they setup the "package" to do the work for you.
In addition to a few other things, such as testing for bugs.

I don't have to install the 32bit libraries as this is done by default with the Fedora repositories.
This is one of the reasons that I like Fedora, I don't have to do all the work.

If it works for RR and he has the same version as you, then you should be good to go.
BUT, YMMV.

If you just want to get familiar with WINE, then installing 1.9.6 would be a good place to start. Really easy to remove at that point.

I still have not figured out how to bind in a second Hd and then have not just data (archives for exmaple) stored there, but stuff being installed there. Okay, the second HD is bind into the system now, but I cannot install there, only manually store data and archives there.

All input I got on that in anothe forum so far tells me that this is to so easily possible. I have a hard time to bveleive that, since it would represent a monumental disadvantage of Linux, if true.

My laptop has a small SSD where Linux was preinstalled, and a 1 TB HD that I intended to use for installing working/gaming software. So far I ave not had any need to do so and only manually moved some mp3 and photo arhcives on the second, big HD. But if I would want to install some Steam-Linux games on the second HD with its much bigger storage capacity - how to do that?

This is one of the things that has driven me crazy so far.

Did they actually tell you that couldn't be done? Foolish mortals. Here's the deal. The file tree in Linux isn't a literal file tree as we think of in Windows. In fact (play the mysterious music) EVERYTHING in Linux is a file: monitors, disk drives, printers, keyboards.........yikes.

Everything Linux does is organized into a tree and each part of that tree can live wherever you wish. If you make a partition and register it as /.home it's your home directory! The easy way to do this stuff is to identify the part of the tree that needs to live on another drive.

Here is some light reading (http://askubuntu.com/questions/27213/what-is-the-linux-equivalent-to-windows-program-files) that will blow what remains of your mind after reading the above. There basically is no Linux equivalent to Windows' \program files or \program files (x86) directories. Programs hang out in /bin or /sbin or /usr/bin or usr/share or /opt or /usr/local. That's fine. But then it gets crazy. Linux programs aren't little mutually exclusive universes. They share capabilities with each other by sharing all their libraries--the equivalent of Windows' .dll files.

So when I install 7zip in Linux, its functions are picked up and used by the Archive Manager, which picks up the ability to use 7zip files! so you better include /lib, /lib32 and /lib64 in your list of directories to move to the big mondo-drive.

Okay, you know what is good to move. Here's the plan. First you copy the directory you want moved to the other drive. Then you put a symbolic link in the Linux directory tree to have it look there.

So if you're moving /somedirectory to a new drive you'd do this
mv /somedirectory /media/otherdisk/somedirectory
ln -s /mnt/otherdisk/somedirectory /somedirectoryYour path to another drive may be /mnt/<diskname> instead of /media/.. like in Ubuntu. The first line moves the directory to your other disk and path of your choosing. I'd use cp (copy) instead of mv (move) because I'm just chicken that I'd break something.... Once it works you can delete the original directory with "rm /somedirectory."

The second line says make a link (symbolic) for your other disk directory into the tree of /somedirectory. Then whenever Linux needs to reference /somedirectory it will look where it lives (http://askubuntu.com/questions/227713/install-apps-to-another-disk), thanks to the symbolic link.


Skybird,

As far as installing Steam games to another drive, you can in the steam settings, tell it to install the games to another directory.

On the menu bar:
Steam --> Settings
Downloads tab: "STEAM LIBRARY FOLDERS" button near the top.
"Steam Library Folders" box, "ADD LIBRARY FOLDER".
Then all you have to do is enter the directory that is your 2nd hard drive.


I did this on my Dual-Core in Fedora 20.
I was running an old 40GB IDE, and I had a SATA2 10,000rpm WD Raptor hard drive "mounted" at '/mnt/raptor'.
(usually as a user, you can't touch this directory, but it was still a NTFS partition, so Linux let me have full access.)
I set my Steam Library to /mnt/raptor/steamlibrary

Now as far integrating your 2nd drive:

1st: Are you clicking on the hard drive in your file manager to "mount" it?
Or is it automatically mounted when you boot your PC?

Second: If it is NOT being automatically mounted you will have to do that in

/etc/fstab

DO NOT PLAY WITH THIS FILE, YOU CAN BREAK YOUR SYSTEM.
When I say "Break", I mean it will no longer boot.
And unless you are comfortable with -JUST- the command line, fixing it could be -nearly- impossible.


This tells the system all the partitions that should be "mounted" at boot.
At which point, you can then proceed with setting up your system/programs to use the new drive.

If you can tell me how you are accessing it (i.e. mounting it manually or not), then we can figure out the next step.

If the 1TB isn't automatically mounted, then adding the symlinks that RR mentioned won't work.
As you would be pointing to another directory "mounted" on the same drive.
You need to first "mount" the 1TB to the filesystem, THEN you could symlink as required.

PLEASE NOTE: I tried to cover the basics of many aspects of this. I could explain this verbally really quickly. BUT typing this takes forever, and by the time I get home after reading the post on my phone, it is late and I've forgotten most of what I was going to type...

Barracuda

EDIT: To clarify, There are many things I "just do" with Fedora and a friend's Raspberry Pi, (running "Raspian", Debian based) without thinking about it. It is there, if you dropped your PC in front of me and said "I want it to do this." I would set it up. After, I would tell you what was where, and if you wanted to know more I would explain.
But, typing instructions out, "converting" to win/dos terms, and doing this across distrobutions (2 different ones in this case) on top of being VERY tired... and my post get either VERY long, or I start skipping (or repeating) things. And at the level Skybird would be working, could REALLY lead to bad results.
Once things calm down, I should be able to get back to having clear, detailed post about this.
My apologies if anything was unclear in this post.
:Kaleun_Sleep::Kaleun_Sleep::Kaleun_Sleep:

[Rockin Robbins]

Suffice it to say that Linux treats resources entirely differently from how Windows does. Linux is about interoperability. Windows is about proprietary exclusivity. Just like translating between two languages like German and English, it's not enough to learn it consciously.

You have to learn to THINK and dream in both German and English, making them truly native processes before you can understand all the nuances. Barracuda is further along in that than I am. I know enough to go find what I need and probably understand it.

Just had a fun time learning about .desktop files. When you're looking at them they don't look like "VeeamAgentforLinux.desktop." Inside the file is the specification for what it will look like, what the icon is and where it lives in the guts of Linux. So "VeeamAgentforLinux.desktop" might display as "Micky Mouse" and you might not have any clue what it is! Luckily, people just don't do that.

So I wrote a script to run Veeam Agent for Linux as super user in a terminal window, put it in /home/steverobbins/.ssh, then wrote a text file named "VeeamAgentforLinux.desktop" on the desktop. It specifies the name of the program that will be displayed, the path to the actual script and the icon that will be displayed. I understand (poorly) that putting it in /usr/share/applications/ allows me to put it anywhere I want: desktop, launcher, maybe even indicator bar. So I made a copy there as well. Linux icons hang out in the /usr/share/icons directory.

All from the terminal window. I was pretty proud of myself for crawling a few feet there. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see it done in nautilus and gedit GUI applications. But learning the terminal version helps you understand the GUI better.

[BarracudaUAK]

Suffice it to say that Linux treats resources entirely differently from how Windows does. Linux is about interoperability. Windows is about proprietary exclusivity. Just like translating between two languages like German and English, it's not enough to learn it consciously.

You have to learn to THINK and dream in both German and English, making them truly native processes before you can understand all the nuances. Barracuda is further along in that than I am. I know enough to go find what I need and probably understand it.
...


Just to clarify my previous post,

I'm NOT saying that I don't look at the help file, or google to find where something is.
Since I usually forget it, as I rarely have to "fix" something in Linux after I do the initial setup.

What I am saying is that I know the main locations for the "core" of the system files.
I know how to get to the default txt editor (nano in a pinch, which honestly, isn't that bad), and I am (usually) smart enough to "comment out" things that I'm going to change, rather than delete them out-right in config files.
I know how to find the "man pages", and I write down a series of commands in a small notepad (which is currently still in a box somewhere...).
So if I break it, I can fix it.

I put my /home on its own partition.:up:
In case I need to reinstall. Then it is no big deal.

But ultimately, I'm not afraid to "break" it. Just make sure you have a install USB Drive/DVD and can boot from it, then go.

Doesn't hurt that I've been (on someone else's PC) messing with Linux since Redhat 5, and had Redhat 9 installed before I found out about Fedora Core (I think FC3 was the first I installed), and I installed that.

I kept it as a "fix Windows XP" OS, and I also used many of the things that were "standard issue" in Linux to mod games.

I would use the "SDK" for the game to extract files I wanted to mod, then reboot to Linux to use editors and 3d modeling programs to make the changes.
Copy them from my XP drive to my Linux drive, make changes, then put them back in a new "modded" folder in my XP drive.
Reboot back to XP, then use the SDK for the game to put the changes into the game.

Through that, I got comfortable with Linux.
Now that WINE has come so far, I'm just running Linux. :D
(Better 3D drivers haven't hurt either!)


Skybird,

Open a terminal and type:

man mount

This should display a "manual page" on "mount".
Read it so you can become familiar with the way 'mount' works.

Then quit, should be "q", it should show the main commands that you can use in the "man" program at the bottom of the page.

Then type

man fstab

This will explain the way that "fstab" file automatically mounts your drives on boot.

"q" quits.

At this point you should have a basic, but good understanding of how to mount your 1TB where ever you want!:up:

If you don't feel comfortable with it at that point, read it a few more times.
Try mounting your 1TB manually in the terminal, to see if you have it right.

At worst, it will simply "fail to mount", meaning, no harm done!

If you want some further input let us know.:up:


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Reece,

I would suggest the same process for you:

open a terminal and type

man apt-get

it should have one.

Fedora has one for "dnf", which is the Redhat/Fedora package manager.
It's the equivalent of "apt-get".

That way you know exactly what you are looking at in the terminal.
And see if there is one for the graphical as well

"apper" is the name of the one in Fedora/KDE, and it has a "man page".

I forget the name of the Ubuntu graphical update program at the moment.

man <name of program>

works for just about everything!:up:

RR should be able to tell you what it is.


I REALLY need to re-install my virtual machine software!

Barracuda

[Reece]

As I had explained earlier (post #26) I have installed wine but I don't know how to run it, there is nothing in the Dash only in Ubuntu Software Center, pressing Launch does nothing!! Where did I go wrong???:hmmm: Should I remove it?:doh:

[BarracudaUAK]

Whoops, sorry...:oops:

I need a lookout on deck! :Kaleun_Periskop:

Appearently all mine were :()1:


EDIT: I just re-read your post, and I think something is odd, but try what I have below anyway, it will tell us if things have gone screwy......
End EDIT.


Let's assume all went well..

Go to a terminal and type:

winecfg


A small window SHOULD open with multiple tabs, this will allow you to "setup" wine.
I.E. To choose which directory will function as your hard drive.
By default a directory named .wine (the "." in front means it is hidden) is created in your "home" directory to be your "C:" drive.

If it doesn't, then something went wrong. If it does, then continue on:
You should, by default, be looking at the "Apllications" tab. 1.9.0 and up usually default to "Windows 7". You will see a drop-down menu just above OK/Cancel/Apply buttons.

Make sure it is showing "Windows 7", and click "Apply".

Now click the "Drives" tab
click "add"
and choose the first available "drive Letter", and click ok. Mine is showing "F:". But I have 2 optical drives.

Click "Show Advanced".
On the "Path" line, enter a path to the directory you wish to use. on mine I have a Directory named "driveH". (please note it IS case sensitive!)
I have my drive set to "H:" and the path is "/home/<login-name>/driveH
I keep all my games that need 32bit, directX9, dotnet2.0 in here.
I have one named "driveJ" and it is "J:" in winecfg. I keep all my 64bit DX10 & DX11 games in there.

On the "Type" drop-down menu, select "Local hard disk".

At this point you should be good for now, go ahead and press "ok" to close it.


Now to actually use wine, you will need a Windows game.
Do you have SH3 or SH4?
Or another game from that time frame? Something that requires DirectX9 would be best.

I specifically mention SH3/4 because I know they work without any special help.

Just place it in the CD/DVD drive, use your file manager and find the install file, and click it like you would any other file to open it.
It SHOULD launch, and allow you to install the game.

If winecfg doesn't launch let me know, and we can try to see what may have gone wrong with the setup/install...



Speaking of not being afraid to "break things"...
I'm typing this from my backup/update testing hard drive...
As I lost one of my drives in my RAID0 earlier. About the time I was typing my last post.

I think the spindle bearing is gone... So hopefully tomorrow I'll make a quick trip to one of the larger computer stores and pick up some WD Caviar Black drives and build me another RAID.
Fortunately I backed up my entire /home to another HD that is rarely used.
I've had it for ~4 years and it only has 1 more month of "up-time" than the 2 oldest in this PC which is less than a year old....:haha:

So I'm off....

Barracuda

[Reece]

Hi Barracuda, so far I have only read up to the test with winecfg, this is the return terminal message:
"The program 'winecfg' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt install wine1.6"
Thought I'd best get this info to you first.:yep:
BTW, the current system I use on my old machine is XP Pro, the new pc is dual boot with Win 10, but I hate it, should I still select Windows 7?
Nasty about the spindle bearing in the HDD, this is the main reason I am trying to update, my old pc is about 6yo, including hard drives.

[BarracudaUAK]

Hi Barracuda, so far I have only read up to the test with winecfg, this is the return terminal message:
"The program 'winecfg' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
sudo apt install wine1.6"
Thought I'd best get this info to you first.:yep:
BTW, the current system I use on my old machine is XP Pro, the new pc is dual boot with Win 10, but I hate it, should I still select Windows 7?
Nasty about the spindle bearing in the HDD, this is the main reason I am trying to update, my old pc is about 6yo, including hard drives.


To answer the simple question first...

WINE just "mimics" Windows as far as the program is concerned, it doesn't actually give you a Windows desktop.

If, for example, you have a game that needs XP minimum to run, but you have wine set to "report" Win98, then when the program starts it checks which version of Windows you have.
Wine will say "this is win98", at that point the program will end and give you a message in a window saying something like "This programs requires Windows XP or better to run".

If you set WINE to WinXP, then re-run that same program it will check as it always does, and Wine will say "WinXP". The program will then start.

A general idea, but I cover the basics of "how" it works here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=229238

---------

As far as whether or not you should install that one, we need to check to see what is available.

Simply because I'm not familiar with the graphical installer, let's stick with apt-get...


on fedora, I can type:

dnf info <name of package>

to get info about that package...

if I just type "dnf" I get a list of possible commands such as "info", "install", "remove", etc.

Try typing just:

apt-get

It should print out the "help" list.

Is there a command like "info" that tells you what a package does?


I'm going to assume that there is one... and that it is called "info".
Substitute which ever command you need to....

If in Fedora, I type:

dnf info mesa

Mesa is the driver/3d part of the sytem (more or less, I'm being really "rough" here).
But there isn't a package name just "mesa", they are all mesa-<something>-<somthing>-etc-etc....

Each containing a small piece of the whole....
So to fine which particular part I need I would type:

dnf info mesa* <----------------------- notice the *

The star, like DOS is the catch all wildcard.... it will then show me all packages that start with "mesa".

Try that with WINE....

Assuming "info" is the right command, again, double check as I mentioned above...

apt-get info wine*

This should show you all the packages that start with wine....
IF it gives an error, then put sudo in front:

sudo apt-get info wine*

You shouldn't need "sudo" just to get info, you are not making any changes at that point....


Lemme know how it goes. I'll check back asap, I got my replacement HDDs...

4, 1TB WD Black... going to setup another RAID0, retire my ~1 year old Seagates to backup duty...

I'll reply as soon as I get the system back up and running. Restoring the backup will take time, it is still only one drive!

Barracuda

[Reece]

This is what I get from APT-GET:

Most used commands:
update - Retrieve new lists of packages
upgrade - Perform an upgrade
install - Install new packages (pkg is libc6 not libc6.deb)
remove - Remove packages
purge - Remove packages and config files
autoremove - Remove automatically all unused packages
dist-upgrade - Distribution upgrade, see apt-get(8)
dselect-upgrade - Follow dselect selections
build-dep - Configure build-dependencies for source packages
clean - Erase downloaded archive files
autoclean - Erase old downloaded archive files
check - Verify that there are no broken dependencies
source - Download source archives
download - Download the binary package into the current directory
changelog - Download and display the changelog for the given package

See apt-get(8) for more information about the available commands.
Configuration options and syntax is detailed in apt.conf(5).
Information about how to configure sources can be found in sources.list(5).
Package and version choices can be expressed via apt_preferences(5).
Security details are available in apt-secure(8).

Good Luck with the drive.

[Reece]

Well I discovered wine was only 127kb in size so I uninstalled it and then ran this: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-devel
Again all seemed to work but got this (last few lines):

Setting up winehq-devel (2.5.0~xenial) ...
Setting up libosmesa6:i386 (12.0.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
Setting up libosmesa6:amd64 (12.0.6-0ubuntu0.16.04.1) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu7) ...
/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/nvidia-375/libEGL.so.1 is not a symbolic link
/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib32/nvidia-375/libEGL.so.1 is not a symbolic link
I then ran winecfg and got his:

wine: created the configuration directory '/home/reece/.wine'
err: ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for interface {00000131-0000-0000-c000-000000000046}
err: ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
err: ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub, hres=0x80004002
err: ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
err: ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
err: ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for interface {00000131-0000-0000-c000-000000000046}
err: ole:marshal_object couldn't get IPSFactory buffer for interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}
err: ole:StdMarshalImpl_MarshalInterface Failed to create ifstub, hres=0x80004002
err: ole:CoMarshalInterface Failed to marshal the interface {6d5140c1-7436-11ce-8034-00aa006009fa}, 80004002
err: ole:get_local_server_stream Failed: 80004002
fixme:urlmon:InternetBindInfo_GetBindString not supported string type 20
Could not load wine-gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
Could not load wine-gecko. HTML rendering will be disabled.
wine: configuration in '/home/reece/.wine' has been updated.Also asked for some file to install since .NET failed, I cancelled, the same thing with Gecko.

The reason I cancelled is that wine doesn't show anywhere not that I really know what to look for.

After a bit of reading I did the following:

sudo apt-get update
[sudo] password for reece:
Hit:1 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
Get:2 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates InRelease [102 kB]
Get:3 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-security InRelease [102 kB]
Hit:4 http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu xenial InRelease
Hit:5 https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu xenial InRelease
Get:6 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports InRelease [102 kB]
Get:7 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 Packages [509 kB]
Get:8 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main i386 Packages [498 kB]
Get:9 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main Translation-en [205 kB]
Get:10 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [288 kB]
Get:11 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/main DEP-11 64x64 Icons [184 kB]
Get:12 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [160 kB]
Get:13 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/universe DEP-11 64x64 Icons [188 kB]
Get:14 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-updates/multiverse amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [2,520 B]
Get:15 http://au.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu xenial-backports/main amd64 DEP-11 Metadata [3,324 B]
Fetched 2,345 kB in 14s (162 kB/s)
Reading package lists... DoneThen:

sudo apt-get install --install-recommends winehq-devel
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree
Reading state information... Done
winehq-devel is already the newest version (2.5.0~xenial).
The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
kde-l10n-engb libwine-development libwine-development:i386
linux-headers-4.4.0-31 linux-headers-4.4.0-31-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-62
linux-headers-4.4.0-62-generic linux-headers-4.4.0-64
linux-headers-4.4.0-64-generic linux-image-4.4.0-31-generic
linux-image-4.4.0-62-generic linux-image-4.4.0-64-generic
linux-image-extra-4.4.0-31-generic linux-image-extra-4.4.0-62-generic
linux-image-extra-4.4.0-64-generic linux-signed-image-4.4.0-62-generic
linux-signed-image-4.4.0-64-generic ocl-icd-libopencl1:i386 shim
ubuntu-core-launcher wine32-development:i386 wine64-development
Use 'sudo apt autoremove' to remove them.I did this, this did a lot and ended with:

-------- Uninstall Beginning --------
Module: bbswitch
Version: 0.8
Kernel: 4.4.0-64-generic (x86_64)
-------------------------------------

Status: Before uninstall, this module version was ACTIVE on this kernel.

bbswitch.ko:
- Uninstallation
- Deleting from: /lib/modules/4.4.0-64-generic/updates/dkms/
- Original module
- No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
- Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.

depmod....

DKMS: uninstall completed.
dkms: removing: nvidia-375 375.39 (4.4.0-64-generic) (x86_64)

-------- Uninstall Beginning --------
Module: nvidia-375
Version: 375.39
Kernel: 4.4.0-64-generic (x86_64)
-------------------------------------

Status: Before uninstall, this module version was ACTIVE on this kernel.

nvidia_375.ko:
- Uninstallation
- Deleting from: /lib/modules/4.4.0-64-generic/updates/dkms/
- Original module
- No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
- Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.


nvidia_375_modeset.ko:
- Uninstallation
- Deleting from: /lib/modules/4.4.0-64-generic/updates/dkms/
- Original module
- No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
- Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.


nvidia_375_drm.ko:
- Uninstallation
- Deleting from: /lib/modules/4.4.0-64-generic/updates/dkms/
- Original module
- No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
- Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.


nvidia_375_uvm.ko:
- Uninstallation
- Deleting from: /lib/modules/4.4.0-64-generic/updates/dkms/
- Original module
- No original module was found for this module on this kernel.
- Use the dkms install command to reinstall any previous module version.

depmod....

DKMS: uninstall completed.
Examining /etc/kernel/postrm.d .
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/initramfs-tools 4.4.0-64-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-64-generic
update-initramfs: Deleting /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-64-generic
run-parts: executing /etc/kernel/postrm.d/zz-update-grub 4.4.0-64-generic /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-64-generic
Generating grub configuration file ...
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-72-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-72-generic
Found linux image: /boot/vmlinuz-4.4.0-71-generic
Found initrd image: /boot/initrd.img-4.4.0-71-generic
Found Windows Boot Manager on /dev/sda2@/EFI/Microsoft/Boot/bootmgfw.efi
Adding boot menu entry for EFI firmware configuration
done
Removing ocl-icd-libopencl1:i386 (2.2.8-1) ...
Removing shim (0.9+1474479173.6c180c6-1ubuntu1) ...
Removing ubuntu-core-launcher (2.22.6) ...
Processing triggers for libc-bin (2.23-0ubuntu7) ...
/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib/nvidia-375/libEGL.so.1 is not a symbolic link

/sbin/ldconfig.real: /usr/lib32/nvidia-375/libEGL.so.1 is not a symbolic link

Processing triggers for man-db (2.7.5-1) ...
0 to upgrade, 0 to newly install, 0 to remove and 2 not to upgrade.Now should I run Winecfg?:oops:
Some sort of results guaranteed!!:yep:
BTW, I still can't fine Wine anywhere!!:doh:

[Rockin Robbins]

When you run the WineHQ version winecfg isn't put on the desktop by default. I'm on an infernal Windows machine at work right now so I can't tell you where the Windows stuff resides. But you should run winecfg.

Now when you download a Windows program, navigate to the downloaded file and right-click it. Your top option should be install with WINE installer.

[Reece]

Thanks Steve, I keep thinking Wine is a virtual desktop!!:oops:
I will try winecfg later, hopefully it asks for the .NET and Gecko to be installed.:yep:

Btw, I tried the WinHQ forum but is a pain since my posts have to be 'approved' before they go on, that takes 24hrs. I did get a reply to the first, I had made a typo and the responder was rather rude!!

Edit:
I ran winecfg from the terminal and it opened up a box, after I closed it I get the terminal message:
"fixme:msg:pack_message nsg 14 (WM_ERASEBKGND) not supported yet"

It seems that Wine is only accessible with context menus on exe files only?

Anyone know what "PlayOnLinux" is like?
https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html
Or is this better:
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-linux

[Skybird]

I deinstalled Steam launcher and then reinstalled it on Linux, to see whether it really gives me the choice, but it left me no choice ever to select the installation location, so it went onto the SSD. Within Steam I could choose where the game installation folder should be placed, but choosing the second drive, the HD, does not get accepted as a valid location, I need to chose the SSD again, only then it would work. So I have not installed any game.

The HD drive is mounted. Google seems to have instalkled some files there without me noticing it, and I have manually moved MP3 and picture archives here.

Any attempt to install a program to the HD so far has failed.

[Reece]

Not that I know much but I have 2 HDD's and I have trouble installing Linux stuff to NTSF drives, data is ok.:hmmm:

[Skybird]

Naaa, drive format is not the issue here.

[Reece]

Ok, I'm guilty!!:D

http://altralto.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/uselessinformation.png

[Skybird]

A head, a head, a kingdom for a head on a silver platter! :D

[Rockin Robbins]

Hey!
Ubuntu Unity is Dead: Desktop will switch back to GNOME next year (https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2017/04/ubuntu-unity-is-dead-desktop-will-switch-back-to-gnome-next-year/)


After six years of developing a decently working desktop on their own, Canonical has decided to go back to its open source roots. Starting in 2018 with Ubuntu 18.04, Ubuntu will ship with GNOME 3 (or 4 by then?) as its default desktop.

When developers were unable to get the next version of Unity, Unity 8, stable enough to use as a default desktop, Mark Shuttleworth and cohorts took stock and made the tough choice to stop duplicating the efforts of truly open source desktops.

Unity started out to near universal jeers by the Linux crowd. They persevered until Unity 7 became a well functioning desktop deserving respect. Then it looks like they dropped the ball on Unity 8. Game over.

This isn't a bad thing. GNOME, KDE, Mate, Cinnamon, LXDE, XFCE, OpenBox, PekWM, Pantheon, Enlightenment, and Deepin, plus more are available to be used. There are dedicated Ubuntu programming teams for various Ubuntu "flavors," Kubuntu (KDE desktop), Ubuntu Mate, Lubuntu (LXDE), Xubuntu (XFCE), Ubuntu Budgie (Budgie desktop not mentioned above), holy crap there are a lot of choices!

And that's what Linux is all about: choices. The users determine what will live and what will die because they're in charge. The Linux community CARES about what you want and respects your judgment.

Me? I'm off to download the KDE Plasma desktop and the GNOME 3 desktop to begin with. I've looked at Enlightenment once and was intrigued. And maybe I need to check out Budgie, since there's a dedicated Ubuntu flavor for that. Cool stuff!

[Rockin Robbins]

I deinstalled Steam launcher and then reinstalled it on Linux, to see whether it really gives me the choice, but it left me no choice ever to select the installation location, so it went onto the SSD.
Okay, you MADE me do it. I'll look into it and report back. Onward, into the fog!

[Rockin Robbins]

https://askubuntu.com/questions/260288/how-can-i-change-where-steam-installs-games

Best answer I saw was to be done directly in Steam:
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[Skybird]

^ As I said, this is what I did. And right that does not work. No matter whether I chose the HD as a whole or just a subdirectory I created on it for Steam - it is not "valid" since not empty (while it is empty for sure, I also made sure it is set to read AND write).

And how would a different software, say any non-game, get installed on the other drive? In the case of Steam, the steam launcher nevertheless goes to the SSD, the primary HD, that is.

So far the situation for me is loike with certain Android versions and cellphones: you can move data to the external SC card manually, but it does not let you install an app o it directly.

[BarracudaUAK]

Just got my system back up on the new HDDs. BUT I still need to move some partitions around, so all of my backup data is not on here yet, that backup data includes... well... everything. Steam, plus all my games installed through wine so I can't double check most of this now....

Thanks Steve, I keep thinking Wine is a virtual desktop!!:oops:
I will try winecfg later, hopefully it asks for the .NET and Gecko to be installed.:yep:

Btw, I tried the WinHQ forum but is a pain since my posts have to be 'approved' before they go on, that takes 24hrs. I did get a reply to the first, I had made a typo and the responder was rather rude!!

Edit:
I ran winecfg from the terminal and it opened up a box, after I closed it I get the terminal message:
"fixme:msg:pack_message nsg 14 (WM_ERASEBKGND) not supported yet"

It seems that Wine is only accessible with context menus on exe files only?

Anyone know what "PlayOnLinux" is like?
https://www.playonlinux.com/en/download.html
Or is this better:
https://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover-linux

I've noticed the response can sometimes be that way, I do not think that primary forum language is the native language for some of the posters there.
Leads to some rather interesting threads!:D


Play on Linux and CodeWeavers are, in short... "shortcuts" to setting up programs in WINE, most that you can do yourself (or using "winetricks").

Codeweavers, I believe, eventually sends some of their code to WINE, and they host winehq.org.

I would hold off on either, until you confirm what you are trying to run won't work on wine.

I've yet to use either. Just "winetricks". Winetricks is a free script to assist with the installing of several programs. I can walk you through it if you would like.

I deinstalled Steam launcher and then reinstalled it on Linux, to see whether it really gives me the choice, but it left me no choice ever to select the installation location, so it went onto the SSD. Within Steam I could choose where the game installation folder should be placed, but choosing the second drive, the HD, does not get accepted as a valid location, I need to chose the SSD again, only then it would work. So I have not installed any game.

The HD drive is mounted. Google seems to have instalkled some files there without me noticing it, and I have manually moved MP3 and picture archives here.

Any attempt to install a program to the HD so far has failed.

I don't have steam installed on this new hard drive yet... but, as long as you have read/write permissions, you should be able to install the "steam library" to the drive.
It will be a day before I can try this and get back to you, schedule plus needing a few hours to copy the few hundred GB worth of /home back to the new drives!



Not that I know much but I have 2 HDD's and I have trouble installing Linux stuff to NTSF drives, data is ok.:hmmm:

In addition to Skybird's attempt to install Steam itself to a new directory....
I can say this... When installing a windows game, such as SH3, SH4, Need for Speed, an RTS game, etc, you can install it anywhere you like... Assuming you have Read/Write permissions in that directory.

I've yet to NOT have RW permissions on any of my NTFS file systems. Linux assumes that you have a Windows drive, and therefore you need to have access to those drives, Since you have access to them in Windows anyway.

^ As I said, this is what I did. And right that does not work. No matter whether I chose the HD as a whole or just a subdirectory I created on it for Steam - it is not "valid" since not empty (while it is empty for sure, I also made sure it is set to read AND write).

And how would a different software, say any non-game, get installed on the other drive? In the case of Steam, the steam launcher nevertheless goes to the SSD, the primary HD, that is.

So far the situation for me is loike with certain Android versions and cellphones: you can move data to the external SC card manually, but it does not let you install an app o it directly.

I will have to try this, once I'm back up and running 100%.
However, usually when installing a Native Linux program, you don't really get to chose where it goes.
This reduces the possibility for coding errors because they are always looking for a file in a specific location. MOST system and user programs go under / somewhere... (it varies). But most, if not all of YOUR data and programs go in your /home directory.
Helps to avoid users deleting things they actually need!

I have seen some info on actually moving your installed Steam directories to a new location, but I'm not sure if this actually works with Ubuntu or Mint...
(again, lost my VM when things went screwy...)

I will double check. Unless RR gets back to you sooner, it will be a day, or 2 depending on how soon I get this system back up and running.

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If you want to FORCE EVERYTHING in your home directory to go to the HDD... and leave the system on the SSD, then this is a possibility:

We will assume the HDD is CURRENTLY mounted at: /mnt/harddrive
And the SSD is 4 partitions mounted as "/", "/home", "/boot" and "swap".

In the directory /mnt/harddrive ("/mnt/harddrive" is where ever the HDD is mounted)
Make a directory named "<login-name>" (example: Skybird, Reece, RR, Barracuda).

Then copy ALL of your data -including hidden files- in /home/<login-name> to the HDD at /mnt/harddrive/<login-name>.

Then mount the HDD as /home.

So the Directory you made on the HDD that was originally viewed as:

/mnt/harddrive/<login-name>

After mounting the HDD as /home, "<login-name>" would be viewed as:

/home/<login-name>

with no need to every worry about the SDD (the data would remain intact, and untouched).
Using fstab to do this automatically at boot would make this a one time thing.


Rather than "symlink"-ing files, we have basically "sym-link"-ed the whole partition.
With the added advantage of keeping the original data. :up:

Remember, there aren't any "drives" in Linux. There is just the "file system". You "mount" 'physical disk' to locations in the "file system".

You can have / on 1 drive -for example- a 250GB 10k rpm WD Raptor, then you could have the /boot on a 4GB USB jump drive (overkill on size here!), /swap could be another 250GB Raptor, and finally you could have /home on 4 1TB Raptors in Raid 0 (or raid 10 for redundancy and speed).

Any of these Directories can go on any physical drive... drives can be "mounted" in the "file system" ANYWHERE...

Another type is the LVM, LVM are "file systems" that can literally span Multiple drives... and they can grow when new drives are installed... (not sure if yours is on an LVM).
You have to think a bit "abstract" when you think about the way Linux handles the hard drives.

Let me know if you want to try putting the HDD as /home....




Back to fixing my sytem now.......
Hardware failures! :Kaleun_Mad:

Barracuda

[Skybird]

Thanks, Barracuda, that must have costed you some time.

I must admit however that I hit my limits of juggling with Linux here. My general understanding of such non-routine complications under Linux simply is not profound enough. I even already have forgotten again how I once managed to mount the HD... I will try once more tomorrow to get the Steam game library accepted on the HD - and if not, it is no big deal since I cannot play my preferred titles under Linux anyway.

If I would have known before, I probably would not have even bought the second HD.

[Rockin Robbins]

To mount a drive, simply use the Nautilus file manager, choose other locations and click on the drive of your choice. The square with up arrow will appear, showing you the drive is now mounted.

I know there's a way to have a drive auto mount on startup but I haven't bothered. It's too easy to mount manually to make me want to fix it.

[Reece]

Linux assumes that you have a Windows drive, and therefore you need to have access to those drives, Since you have access to them in Windows anyway.

Not sure what you mean here, I am mostly wanting to get Far Cry 2 running, this won't run well in Win 10 and I want to stay away from Windows.
If I install the game does it have to be on a NTSF drive?
Certainly I can access the Win 10 files but don't want to corrupt Win 10.
Should I install it in Win 10 but then access the exe file through Wine?:hmmm:
Confused!!:oops:


After six years of developing a decently working desktop on their own, Canonical has decided to go back to its open source roots. Starting in 2018 with Ubuntu 18.04, Ubuntu will ship with GNOME 3 (or 4 by then?) as its default desktop.

When developers were unable to get the next version of Unity, Unity 8, stable enough to use as a default desktop, Mark Shuttleworth and cohorts took stock and made the tough choice to stop duplicating the efforts of truly open source desktops.

Unity started out to near universal jeers by the Linux crowd. They persevered until Unity 7 became a well functioning desktop deserving respect. Then it looks like they dropped the ball on Unity 8. Game over.


Well imo that sucks, does this mean that my version of Ubuntu will be redundant and in 2018 I have to reinstall the new version from scratch?
Can this version just be upgraded?:hmmm:
This seems worse than Windows!!:doh:

[BarracudaUAK]

Not sure what you mean here, I am mostly wanting to get Far Cry 2 running, this won't run well in Win 10 and I want to stay away from Windows.
If I install the game does it have to be on a NTSF drive?
Certainly I can access the Win 10 files but don't want to corrupt Win 10.
Should I install it in Win 10 but then access the exe file through Wine?:hmmm:
Confused!!:oops:

I mean, that if you have a Hard drive partition formatted with NTFS (Windows), that Linux "sees" that partition as a "Windows drive". Meaning, that if you have a Windows installation (which you currently do on that PC), you can access that NTFS drive with Windows. So Linux allows you to access the NTFS partition in Linux as well.

To illustrate: Lets say you have a house. And roughtly 1/4 of that house is divided into a a storage room, such as a garage.

You have a key to the main house (Linux), and you have a key to the garage (Windows).
So it makes sense that the "house key" would also unlock the door between the house and the garage. Since restricting you from accessing the garage from the house makes no sense. As you can go outside and open the outer door to the garage.

You already "own" the NTFS drive with Windows, so Linux let's you "own" the NTFS drive in Linux as well.


I really hope that made sense...:hmmm:


Also with wine, you can install to WHERE YOU WANT. Using winecfg you can set a directory to be a "hard drive".

One of my previous post I said that I have /home/<login-name>/driveH for all of my 32bit games. These games "see" this directory as "H:\".

Remember, wine is just telling the program what it wants to hear so that the program will run.


On my last PC, I had a 300GB WD Raptor with 1 partition of 300GB.

Windows had the raptor set as "H:\".
Linux mounted my Raptor partition (sda1), at /mnt/raptor
So in winecfg I set "H:\" as /mnt/raptor .
So just so I could keep it straight -in my head-.



Well imo that sucks, does this mean that my version of Ubuntu will be redundant and in 2018 I have to reinstall the new version from scratch?
Can this version just be upgraded?:hmmm:
This seems worse than Windows!!:doh:


There is a time frame where a version (i.e Ubuntu 16.04, Fedora 25, etc) is supported.

For 16.04, which according to Ubuntu, (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases) will be supported until 2021. However I believe there is an upgrade program in Ubuntu. I know Fedora has one. That will allow you to upgrade without the need to "re-install" the new version.

Barracuda

[BarracudaUAK]

Thanks, Barracuda, that must have costed you some time.

I must admit however that I hit my limits of juggling with Linux here. My general understanding of such non-routine complications under Linux simply is not profound enough. I even already have forgotten again how I once managed to mount the HD... I will try once more tomorrow to get the Steam game library accepted on the HD - and if not, it is no big deal since I cannot play my preferred titles under Linux anyway.

If I would have known before, I probably would not have even bought the second HD.

To mount a drive, simply use the Nautilus file manager, choose other locations and click on the drive of your choice. The square with up arrow will appear, showing you the drive is now mounted.

I know there's a way to have a drive auto mount on startup but I haven't bothered. It's too easy to mount manually to make me want to fix it.


FSTAB

You can find it in

/etc

use your preferred txt editor to view it.

Skybird, Post it here and I can see how things are mounting, and we can -if you want to continue- go from there.


RR's method is one I use when I'm just putting a drive in for a short time just to move some files around.
Nothing wrong with it. I like to keep things "manual" until I decide that I want them automatic.:up:

Barracuda

P.S. now I'm off to work!

[BarracudaUAK]

Ohh, by the way, you two are really keeping my on my toes here!


Barracuda

[Reece]

Thanks Barracuda, that makes a lot more sense now, the IT person that setup my PC did a good job and this is the HDD setup:
First drive has 4 partitions The last partition (sda4) is virtually 1Gb the other 3 are windows recovery, EFI system FAT 32 and reserved (only 17Mb).

The second drive has 3 partitions, the first 686Gb is Basic data sdb1 NTSF - Not mounted, sdb2 Linux swap (version 1) - Active, sdb3 Linux File System Ext4 - Mounted. Don't ask me what they all are but I assume I should make use of the first partition, it is only used by Win 10 for 3 Virtual Machines, 640Gb free.

Good to know that I can just upgrade my version when needed.:yep:

[Reece]

Anyone know how to minimize Firefox in Linux? the minimize, maximize, and restore buttons are missing!!:hmmm:
I suppose I can use Workspace Switcher.

[Rockin Robbins]

What's the GUI you're running? Can you give us a screenshot. Sounds like your window decorator isn't working right. Also, try hitting F-11 to get out of full screen mode.

[Platapus]

Anyone know how to minimize Firefox in Linux? the minimize, maximize, and restore buttons are missing!!:hmmm:
I suppose I can use Workspace Switcher.


Which distribution and version are you using?

I am using xubuntu and for me, I would open up

Settings Manager then open up Window manager and check the configuration. But I remember when I was using Ubuntu, there was a different set of commands. So each distribution can have different commands.

I am afraid that I am not experienced enough to remember the command line text. Nice thing about Linux is that you can always ask your question on some of the more respectable Linux sites and someone will give you the command line text.

Good luck with it. I am still learning my way around Linux and it has honestly not always been an easy path.

Does this help at all?

[Reece]

I am using the stock Ubuntu 16.04 desktop, admittedly I do have a wallpaper,
launch bar on the left and status bar on the top.:hmmm:
If I had to guess I'd say it was Firefox, version 52.0.2 (64bit).

Edit: My apologies, I can't stop treating this as windows, it's there on the top left corner!!!:doh:
I do notice that the slide bars are very small in Linux, is there a way to widen them? I made the Launch Bar icons smaller but that didn't seem to effect the slide bar.

Edit 2: Yet another question.
I have dual boot and Use an external keyboard and monitor, it used to start ok in Linux (haven't used Win 10 for a long time) but no more.
When I start I have to lift the laptop case to press the start button then I usually close it and all starts fine. Now part way through loading, the computer decides to hibernate, or I assume so, all stops until I lift the lid again then it carries on to desktop screen.
In the Power settings I have "When the lid is closed" Do Nothing for both power settings, also discovered that when I open and close the lid anytime it hibernates. Weird!!:hmmm:

[Platapus]

I do notice that the slide bars are very small in Linux, is there a way to widen them? I made the Launch Bar icons smaller but that didn't seem to effect the slide bar.

That bugged me too. But I seem to remember (and that's is always risky) that the scroll bars seemed smaller on Ubuntu but larger when I went to XFCE

[Rockin Robbins]

They're that way for a reason. When you mouseover the line that represents the scrollbar the handle appears. Takes a little getting used to and I don't think it's better or worse, just different for no gain.