Rant: We are banning the wrong stuff

[Platapus]

/rant on

For the sake of our country, we don't need to ban Muslims, we don't need to ban people carrying electronics on airplanes.

We need to ban people from using cell phones in grocery stores!!!

I was in the grocery store on Sunday and there were way too many people standing around either talking or texting on their cell phones BLOCKING THE AISLES!!! It is crowded enough without these inconsiderate morons.

Are they truly that clueless or just inconsiderate? Don't block one or worse two aisles when people are trying to shop. I guess they are just that important, way more important then the rest of us just trying to get the shopping done.

Yikes!

/rant off

I feel a little bit better now.:D

[Jimbuna]

I'll hold my breath and count to ten because you are referring to one of my major annoyances.

[Onkel Neal]

And what about Muslims on cell phones in grocery stores? ;)

[Sailor Steve]

While it never affected me directly, I've always had a peeve concerning people who talk on their phones while checking out. The clerks deserve our attention while they are trying to help us.

[Platapus]

And what about Muslims on cell phones in grocery stores? ;)

Put them on airlines, where they belong. :D

[Reece]

Remember 9/11.

[vienna]

/rant on

Back when cell phones first began to become ubiquitous, I was in a local fast food restaurant and there was a long line. I was about two or three persons behind a guy yapping away on his cell, loud enough to hear it was a very banal conversation. The line moved up slowly and finally cell yapper got to the order counter. He held up his hand in a sort of "wait a minute" gesture to the clerk, and said to the person on the other end "OK, I'm at the counter, what do you want? What? Oh, well, they have..." and proceeded to start reciting the whole of the place's extensive menu. There was an audible reaction from all the rest of the people in the line behind him; I couldn't begin to describe the glaring look given by the clerk who had had to endure the seemingly unending line of customers only to have that jerk pull such a stunt. With admirable restraint, the clerk told the jerk to step aside, let the other, prepared, customers make their orders, and, once he and his cell-mate had made up their minds, to get back in line at the end of the line. This elicited a rousing round of applause from the other customers in line. The result was predictable: the cell jerk took severe, and loud, umbrage in a sort of "How dare you!" attitude. The manager came up to the counter to see what was going on, listened to the clerk's and customers' accounts and told the cell jerk to go to the back of the line. The cell jerk stormed out of the restaurant, followed by the cheers and jeers of the customers...

Blocking the aisles is one thing; having to wait at the checkout because some cell jerk won't stop his/her yapping and deal with finalizing their purchase is just as bad. I say there should be a mandatory installation of localized cell jammers at all check-out counters!...

/rant off


Oh, and, again, Platapus For President!...



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[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

/rant on

For the sake of our country, we don't need to ban Muslims, we don't need to ban people carrying electronics on airplanes.

We need to ban people from using cell phones in grocery stores!!!

I was in the grocery store on Sunday and there were way too many people standing around either talking or texting on their cell phones BLOCKING THE AISLES!!! It is crowded enough without these inconsiderate morons.

Are they truly that clueless or just inconsiderate? Don't block one or worse two aisles when people are trying to shop. I guess they are just that important, way more important then the rest of us just trying to get the shopping done.

Yikes!

/rant off

I feel a little bit better now.:D

/Rant on
As a stock clerk who works for Publix (for those of you who don't know what a stock clerk is I'm guy who puts the product on the shelves), I do find it annoying when people block the aisle either when they're on their cellphones or in some cases some old people who just have to stop and chat while I'm trying to get my three floats of cereal done. And yes in some cases people are just that clueless or they just plain don't give a crap. I've been asked really stupid questions like "Where is the oatmeal?", and this is from a person who has just walked right past the oatmeal without even bothering to look, or the customer just makes the assumption that because three different cereals from General Mills is on that just has to mean that all the General Mills cereals are on sale when there not, but if the customer doesn't bother to read the sales tag or ask an associate then they shouldn't blame us for them being too lazy to read the sales tag.
Or when a customer goes to the deli counter, gets a sub, takes two bites of it and then leaves in on a random freaking shelf without throwing it out or even bothering to pay for it, or taking an item from on aisle and just leaving it at the other end of the store. Or my favorite thing, finding random things in the freezers. I've found a soup can, bottles of milk, cans of some fruit drink, dish washing detergent, and even a bag of diapers, yes you read that right diapers... in the freezer. So yes, people can be inconsiderate, clueless, careless, care more about themselves then any one else, and just plain don't give a darn.

/rant off

If we could just ban stupidity that would fix a lot of things but that's not going to happen in the history of forever, but we can ban stupid people with cellphones! :D

[ikalugin]

Smart phone zombies everywhere :)

[Aktungbby]

Oh, and, again, Platapus For President!...<O>
/Tweet on .../Tweet off:O:

[Jimbuna]

If we could just ban stupidity that would fix a lot of things but that's not going to happen in the history of forever, but we can ban stupid people with cellphones! :D

That's not possible because God loves stupid people, he must do or why did he make so many of them? :hmmm:

[Commander Wallace]

That's not possible because God loves stupid people, he must do or why did he make so many of them? :hmmm:


These are the same sort of people who will video a hurricane coming in and making landfall when every other smart person has left the affected area days ago. Still, others thinks it's great to go surfing in the huge waves that proceed the actual hurricane. This is how he wipes out stupid people in a geographical area. :yep:

I think we all have had issues and experiences with people and their annoying cell phone use. How many people here have seen others walking and texting and walk right out in a busy street or thoroughfare without looking and almost get hit with a car ? How many here have gone to a restaurant and have seen people there not talking but texting others or maybe the ones seated there ?

[vienna]

These are the same sort of people who will video a hurricane coming in and making landfall when every other smart person has left the affected area days ago. Still, others thinks it's great to go surfing in the huge waves that proceed the actual hurricane. This is how he wipes out stupid people in a geographical area. :yep:

...



My favorite "Why are some people so stupid?" situations are when you see on the TV news reports about some region being devastated by tornadoes, hurricanes, floods, mudslides, wildfires, etc., and the reports note whatever area it is, it has a long history of that particular type of disaster. Sure as the sun rises, the reporter will ask whatever Gomer has just had his home demolished (often not for the first time) what they are going to do now: "Well, I'm a gonna rebuild again right here." Somehow, I think most rational people would rather much tend to avoid building homes in a place with a name like, say, for example, "Tornado Alley"...

Well, if they do buy it in the next disaster, they'll most likely be on a cell phone when it happens, live steaming as the twister sucks them into oblivion...



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[STEED]

Please do not get me going on about Supermarkets. :arrgh!:

[AVGWarhawk]

Cellphones=electronic leashes for the masses. The key to doing stupid things and doing it well. The key to distraction.

[ikalugin]

Cellphones=electronic leashes for the masses. The key to doing stupid things and doing it well. The key to distraction.
O brave new world?

[AVGWarhawk]

O brave new world?

For a tool that is supposed to help communicate...as I sit at watch this...

http://thoughtcatalog.files.wordpress.com/2014/09/cellphone.jpg?w=700&h=553


I really begin to wonder......

[mapuc]

^Hopefully not while you're cruising in your Buick :D

Markus

[AVGWarhawk]

^Hopefully not while you're cruising in your Buick :D

Markus

Sir, it is all the time. Our state law for cell phone usage is hands free only.

My state:

http://image1.masterfile.com/getImage/619-08204714em-Black-woman-using-cell-phone-and-drinking-coffee-while-driving-car.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Cell phones are utterly life changing and life taking. As I stated, it is an electronic leash. It is life taking....one is never but a phone call away from work. We, as a working society, are always at work as a result of the cell phone.

[ikalugin]

Cell phones are utterly life changing and life taking. As I stated, it is an electronic leash. It is life taking....one is never but a phone call away from work. We, as a working society, are always at work as a result of the cell phone.
I only use my cellphones for:
- receving rare calls.
- reading SMS messages (ie two factor ID).
- wifi hot spot for my laptop.

[Platapus]

/rant on

Bluetooth ear pieces.

First of all, you look ridiculous. You may have Lt Uhura fantasies, and that's great, dress up all you want. But unless you are in some command center, you look ridiculous.

Second, if you are standing there, not obviously holding a cell phone and you, suddenly say "hello, what's up?" don't act surprised if the actual human in front of you turns around and says hello back. There are still some of us who engage in human to human communication in public. This is how humans used to engage in communication. One person says hello and the other person says hello back. It's tradition.

This woman gave the dirtiest look as if *I* were intruding into *her* privacy when I thought I was returning a civil "hello" directed at me... a fellow human. What was I thinking?

Now I fear that if a real human actually engages me in communication by saying "hello", I will just assume they have a stupid thing in their ear and ignore them.

Then that person will whine on an Internets Tubes forum "I was standing in line at the grocery store and I decided to be sociable, so I said hello to this old fat bald guy and the jerk ignored me. What happened to human to human communication?"

And I can't win.

/rant off

[AVGWarhawk]

/rant on

Bluetooth ear pieces.

First of all, you look ridiculous. You may have Lt Uhura fantasies, and that's great, dress up all you want. But unless you are in some command center, you look ridiculous.

Second, if you are standing there, not obviously holding a cell phone and you, suddenly say "hello, what's up?" don't act surprised if the actual human in front of you turns around and says hello back. There are still some of us who engage in human to human communication in public. This is how humans used to engage in communication. One person says hello and the other person says hello back. It's tradition.

This woman gave the dirtiest look as if *I* were intruding into *her* privacy when I thought I was returning a civil "hello" directed at me... a fellow human. What was I thinking?

Now I fear that if a real human actually engages me in communication by saying "hello", I will just assume they have a stupid thing in their ear and ignore them.

Then that person will whine on an Internets Tubes forum "I was standing in line at the grocery store and I decided to be sociable, so I said hello to this old fat bald guy and the jerk ignored me. What happened to human to human communication?"

And I can't win.

/rant off

:up:

[AVGWarhawk]

I only use my cellphones for:
- receving rare calls.
- reading SMS messages (ie two factor ID).
- wifi hot spot for my laptop.

When I retire I will use my cell phone for:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Toiletpapier_%28Gobran111%29.jpg/220px-Toiletpapier_%28Gobran111%29.jpg

Then promptly flush it.

[Platapus]

When I retire (If I retire)

https://s14-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimage s%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcRqnAmXlviMmGQygu2ooSn328dBy6xH fXMuYQPQIsCUzWRzKTrR&sp=f52828d69a33ded5fc654f452fc07575&anticache=519795

[Sailor Steve]

I am retired (technically anyway), and the cell phone is my only phone. My sister calls me a great once-in-a-while, sometimes a bandmate calls me to say rehearsal is cancelled (he still works as a flooring contractor), and I like to have it with me in the car in case of emergencies.

I don't text unless I absolutely have to, it's not modern enough to effectively use online, and my average call time runs between five and thirty minutes per month.

It's a handy tool, nothing more.

[AVGWarhawk]

I am retired (technically anyway), and the cell phone is my only phone. My sister calls me a great once-in-a-while, sometimes a bandmate calls me to say rehearsal is cancelled (he still works as a flooring contractor), and I like to have it with me in the car in case of emergencies.

I don't text unless I absolutely have to, it's not modern enough to effectively use online, and my average call time runs between five and thirty minutes per month.

It's a handy tool, nothing more.

It's a handy tool to be at the boss' bidding 24/7. That is what it has become. Decades ago one would leave work and go home to the paper and coffee. Work as left at work. No longer. The cell phone has brought many good things. It has also brought a tool to run a life off the clock with no compensation.

[Sailor Steve]

As I said, I don't have a boss. I therefore see no need to destroy or discard my phone.

[ikalugin]

It's a handy tool to be at the boss' bidding 24/7. That is what it has become. Decades ago one would leave work and go home to the paper and coffee. Work as left at work. No longer. The cell phone has brought many good things. It has also brought a tool to run a life off the clock with no compensation.
I wonder if it is because you let your employer to exploit you.

I work my hours, sure I may work on long term projects in my own time, or help out in emergencies, but people that know me also know that calling me without an emergency is useless.

But I guess it is also because I hate phonecalls, so trying to work with me through the phone would be less productive than through emails and IM.

[Platapus]

It's a handy tool to be at the boss' bidding 24/7. That is what it has become. Decades ago one would leave work and go home to the paper and coffee. Work as left at work. No longer. The cell phone has brought many good things. It has also brought a tool to run a life off the clock with no compensation.

The Frau, when she was a contractor used to literally sleep with her cell phone. It was in the bed, not just on the night stand. She used to get E-mails and other messages in the middle of the night from her boss and she would get up and handle them.

She did not have a time critical job. Had to lay down the law on that one. No cell phones in the bed room. She slept better and surprising enough, her company survived just nicely.


Throw off your worries when throw off your clothes at night Carlo Bounaparte's kid Napoleon

[Commander Wallace]

Like many here, I think Cell phones are a retrograde step. Cell phones have their conveniences but seem to be the bane of most peoples lives. One easily solution is what I did. People were made aware that when I retired for the evening, my cell phone did as well and I turned it off. As to be expected, there was a degree of infighting. I wouldn't budge. I rarely use my cell phone now.

I leave it on now and I don't get calls unless it's an absolute emergency. Home time is just that, time with loved ones and I don't let anything or anyone interfere with that.

[Catfish]

I just broke my HTC One (M7) yesterday, but accidentally.. :D
"Spider app" as they say (=broken glass looks like cobwebs), but all still works. Heard the three-year-old device will not be repaired anymore, so either repair it myself (parts can be bought) or get a new (other) one.

Found it very practical in Rome or wandering, using "Komoot", "Google maps" or "Here we go". There are also compass apps, an altimeter and a lot of other practical stuff, but of course it is not absolutely precise. Using the phone for communication, internet, taking pictures along with translation apps, this "roaming" in Europe did not cost extra, because of the EU.. nice.

Then the public transportation apps for cities with schedules, tips, opening hours, booking guided tours or being informed on belated flights or changes.. although i'm aware of the Google kraken it was nice to have for orientation and search. Then you can use it as a remote control at home for some smarthome devices like Hue, TV and whatnot.

I usually switch the position off, but connecting to the cells it still gives away your metadata while you move around – who can really control this thing. Even switching off is not sure, and the batteries cannot be removed anymore with those newish devices.

So it is practical, but be aware of what it might tell to unwanted listeners. :hmmm:

[Nippelspanner]

I don't see why everyone is blaming the phones as if they're the tool of the devil, when the actual problem are the users. They are the ones abusing the possibilities.

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't see why everyone is blaming the phones as if they're the tool of the devil, when the actual problem are the users. They are the ones abusing the possibilities.

It can be a tool of the devil. A tool to bully, ruin a marriage/relationship, work in constant contact. The cell phone is invasive and demanding of our time. Some exploit that "feature".

[Schroeder]

@Catfish

It also came in "Handy" at Laboe.:D

[u crank]

As a person who grew up with a telephone that hung on the wall and a cord that was never quite long enough, I think the cell phone is a wonderful thing. I can say without a doubt that I'm not infatuated by it but that it simply makes my life better and easier in so many ways. Some cool things....my Son sends me Instagram pics and videos of our year old granddaughter. I like that. When away from my computer I can log on to SubSim. I like that. It's handy at work if I need to find out something which I had to do today.

Some things I don't do. I don't play games on it. I don't call or text people if I'm bored. I'm not on Facebook. We got rid of our home land line and what I like about that is that if my phone rings now it's for me. Like all modern tech toys you have to be the master. I see lots of abuse especially among the very young users but that's not going to ruin it for me.

Oh yea... did I mention it's got a flashlight.:D

[Catfish]

@Schroeder shsh don't reveal our navigation skills :wah:

edit: ah you mean calling the Uncle! Yes, would have been difficult without a mobile :D

[Nippelspanner]

It can be a tool of the devil. A tool to bully, ruin a marriage/relationship, work in constant contact. The cell phone is invasive and demanding of our time. Some exploit that "feature".

Soo... "guns kill people!" afterall?

[em2nought]

Soo... "guns kill people!" afterall?

"Smart" guns probably would.

My smart phone is always deciding to do things I didn't want it to do. If you're such a smart phone why are you opening up ebay? Have you ever seen me do that in the three years we've been together? Don't you think I just meant to make sure the volume was up? Oh, and why is the volume down in the first place if you're soooo smart Mr. phone? :D As soon as I don't have to answer every call I receive I'll be cell phone free for the rest of my life, contact me with email. I might check that once a day if I feel like it.

...and USPS I'm pulling out just like Kramer. :03: No way I want to receive my someday deceased mother's mailings from hundreds of flim flam charities. :up:

...and the new grocery store thing I really don't like is the get in line before your minions have returned with all the items you're looking for. If they haven't made it back yet, make everyone behind you wait till they do. Maybe have a cell phone conversation or text yet while you wait for them. lol

[AVGWarhawk]

Soo... "guns kill people!" afterall?

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China? :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

Oh yea... did I mention it's got a flashlight.:DDoes that flashlight respond to the verbal commands: 'lumos' (on ) and 'nox' (off)?

[Nippelspanner]

What does this have to do with the price of eggs in China? :hmmm:

People blame an object for bad things happening, even though the object itself can't be at fault.
Here at subsim, in the guns thread, some people loved to use the "guns don't kill people" catch-phrase, to defend something they like.
Now, some of these people (iirc!) actually blame another tool for being "bad", just because they don't like it - though the same principles should apply here.

Do you see what I mean?

[August]

What a ridiculous argument to make.

Following the line of reasoning a little further maybe we should consider registering and/or outright banning smart phones. :hmmm:. That seems to be the go to response to "some" people in the subsim gun thread who feel that free people shouldn't have guns at all.

After all smart phones are responsible for increasing amounts of death and injury on our roadways due to distracted drivers and nobody really needs one when an 1990's vintage flip phone will do fine for making and receiving phone calls, even better yet limit them to just an even older Western Electric Princess phone and a pager because nobody who sponsored or signed the Bell Telephone Breakup Bill could ever have foreseen the downsides that Pokemon Go would have on pedestrian traffic awareness.

[Platapus]

I just want them banned in grocery stores... specifically the grocery store I am in. :D

[u crank]

Does that flashlight respond to the verbal commands: 'lumos' (on ) and 'nox' (off)?


No that's way to fancy. :O:

When I first got my smart phone I had to google to find out how to turn on the flashlight. To stubborn to ask anyone.:oops:

[Nippelspanner]

What a ridiculous argument to make.

Following the line of reasoning a little further maybe we should consider registering and/or outright banning smart phones. :hmmm:. That seems to be the go to response to "some" people in the subsim gun thread who feel that free people shouldn't have guns at all.

After all smart phones are responsible for increasing amounts of death and injury on our roadways due to distracted drivers and nobody really needs one when an 1990's vintage flip phone will do fine for making and receiving phone calls, even better yet limit them to just an even older Western Electric Princess phone and a pager because nobody who sponsored or signed the Bell Telephone Breakup Bill could ever have foreseen the downsides that Pokemon Go would have on pedestrian traffic awareness.

Was that a response to what I said?

[Buddahaid]

Come on you guys. We all know where this is going to wind up already.

[Dowly]

People blame an object for bad things happening, even though the object itself can't be at fault.
I agree.

Here at subsim, in the guns thread, some people loved to use the "guns don't kill people" catch-phrase, to defend something they like.No, the saying was/is "Guns don't kill people, people do." referring to the fact that the inanimate object (gun) needs an user to function.

[Catfish]

Can we agree on "Doughnuts and Hamburgers don't kill people, people do."

[August]

I've been eating Saturday Night Special doughnuts and Assault Bacon Hamburgers for decades and they haven't killed anyone (or me) yet. :D

[Nippelspanner]

I've been eating Saturday Night Special doughnuts and Assault Bacon Hamburgers for decades and they haven't killed anyone (or me) yet. :D

Good for you.
Now, can you answer my question?

I assume your post above was directed towards me, but since I was neither addressed directly, nor quoted, I want to be sure, since what you said would mean you misunderstood what I said and on top, push me into a corner where I don't belong (anti gun...).

Also, an explanation why that argument was so very ridiculous would be... More constructive.

[Nippelspanner]

I agree.

No, the saying was/is "Guns don't kill people, people do." referring to the fact that the inanimate object (gun) needs an user to function.

Yes, I know. That us my whole point.
I cut the phrase short because the laziness is strong in me and I assumed everyone sure knows it here so...
However, what I meant is:
The smartphone itself won't cause people to do bad things, it is their own responsibility what they do with them - same with guns, right?
Yet, some people on this board argue in favor of guns ("guns don't kill people..."), yet against smartphones (even if just in jest) - although the same principles/standards should apply here.
I simply noticed this rather odd differentiation.

[Aktungbby]

I've been eating Saturday Night Special doughnuts and Assault Bacon Hamburgers for decades and they haven't killed anyone (or me) yet. :D

Well just don't eat any Twinkies :O:BBY! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/67/Hostess-Twinkies.jpg/300px-Hostess-Twinkies.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hostess-Twinkies.jpg) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twinkie_defense) http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-YaL4PwN__gY/VpsEZGxvfhI/AAAAAAAAEKg/DyTtISrzkCw/s1600/arneson-sfmoma-acq-3.jpg

[August]

Nah Twinkies give me gas. I'm saving them for a Peter Griffin post apocalyptic world where their resistance to decay will make them the only food available for those of us with the tentacles to get there.

[Aktungbby]

Post apocalyptic!???? OOOOOOHH! Soylent Twinkies:Kaleun_Sick::()1: "hey Auggie BBY?" "What now Aktung?." Did U double check that 'creamy' filling??!!:O:

[August]

Driver that killed 13 people in Texas? Texting.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/03/31/witness-truck-driver-texas-crash-killed-13-texting/99888684/

It's not the smart phone or the text feature that's at fault here. It's squarely on the idiot at the wheel.

[Jimbuna]

Under new rules expected to come in next year, UK drivers will get six points on their licence and face a £200 fine yet I doubt that will be much of deterrent.

[STEED]

Under new rules expected to come in next year, UK drivers will get six points on their licence and face a £200 fine yet I doubt that will be much of deterrent.

Total wast of time, this will not stop anyone gas banging on their mobile phone while driving until they cause a RTA.

[Nippelspanner]

It's not the smart phone or the text feature that's at fault here. It's squarely on the idiot at the wheel.
Strange.
I basically said the same the other day, you know, when you complained "how ridiculous my argument was".
Now, did you just say so to provoke me, or did you just not understand my post?
Out of experience, both is very likely - so wich is it this time?

And again, how was it ridiculous?
I'd really like to know, twinkies and other important stuff aside...