dogs are smarter than they look

[Bilge_Rat]

proof of what every dog owner instinctively knows, the buggers have us twisted around their little paws... :O:

That little pooch you shower with love and affection knows how to get what it wants.

A new study published in the journal Animal Cognition has found that our canine companions are able to deceive us in order to get something they desire. And they can figure out how to do it quite quickly.

In order to study the behaviour, Heberlein and her research team from the University of Zurich conducted an experiment. Using 27 dogs, the team paired each one with two human partners: a co-operative one who allowed the dogs to eat treats, and a competitive one who withheld the treats.

After the dogs learned which was which, the dogs then had the chance to lead them to one of three boxes: in one there was a sausage; in another was a less appetizing dog treat; and the last one was empty.

On the first day, the dogs led the co-operative partners to the sausage box more often than expected by chance and more often than the competitive partner. On the second day that increased in both cases.

By leading the competitive partner to the incorrect box, this meant that the dog had a chance to keep the delicious sausage for itself later on, when the experiment was repeated with a co-operative partner. Hence, the apparently deceptive behaviour.

This ability, the researchers say, was learned quite quickly compared to other studies involving primates, which can take upward of a hundred trials before the animals made this association and acted accordingly.

Humans tend to think of themselves as unique, and cognitive abilities is one of those things that some believe sets us apart — and above — other animals. But more and more, this belief is being challenged as other species are found to be making cognitive choices.

Still, the speed at which the dogs learned was notable.

"I do think it's impressive that they got the co-operative/competition task quite quickly," Buchsbaum said. "It's promising that they're solving the problem and not just gradually learning more simple association."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/dogs-deception-1.4019103

[Jimbuna]

The wife and I occasionally disagree on which one of us gives in the quickest and I readily admit it is usually me.

[Eichhörnchen]

http://i.imgur.com/YGlwYGW.jpg

[August]

http://i.imgur.com/YGlwYGW.jpg

There's a dog who knows where the sausage is...

[Commander Wallace]

I remember a friend telling me that I did a good job training my dog. I remarked, " I'm not sure who trained who " Sometimes though, dogs earn a degree of wrath and need to be punished and shamed.


http://www.dumpaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/funny-dog-shaming.jpg

[Castout]

Human's uniqueness is its ability to collaborate and the consequence of the evolution of universal morality.

Bees are also much smarter than most of us would acknowledge. It can perceive, THINK, and have the awareness for self-preservation just like an individual. It's probably as smart as a dog.

Lobsters too aren't the unfeeling automaton animals we often dismiss them to be out of our stupidity and ignorance....

But human beings are the only species on the planet that's capable of transcending space, time, and individuality. That's full humanness. Sadly, this doesn't happen to most of us who never blossom into a full human being. Most of us live not much different than animals in lower consciousness mode of living that involves strong attachment to the ego.

[Gargamel]

It's an evolutionary response. The canines that acted the nicest to humans long ago got the best rewards, and survived longer. It's a truly beautiful symbiotic relationship. Everybody needs a good dog at their side.

[MaDef]

Human's uniqueness is its ability to collaborate and the consequence of the evolution of universal morality.

Bees are also much smarter than most of us would acknowledge. It can perceive, THINK, and have the awareness for self-preservation just like an individual. It's probably as smart as a dog.

Lobsters too aren't the unfeeling automaton animals we often dismiss them to be out of our stupidity and ignorance....

But human beings are the only species on the planet that's capable of transcending space, time, and individuality. That's full humanness. Sadly, this doesn't happen to most of us who never blossom into a full human being. Most of us live not much different than animals in lower consciousness mode of living that involves strong attachment to the ego. Ever try to rub a bee's belly or take a lobster for a walk? :D

[Castout]

Ever try to rub a bee's belly or take a lobster for a walk? :D

Hehehehehe

Concerning bees
http://europe.newsweek.com/scientists-taught-bees-football-brains-560257?utm_source=social&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=%2Fscientists-taught-bees-football-brains-560257%3Frx%3Deu

Concerning lobsters
http://www.animalsaustralia.org/features/6-incredible-lobster-facts.php

[August]

Boiled alive lobsters are quite tasty when you dismember them and dip the meat in butter and who doesn't like honey?

[Rockstar]

This is our big girl total alpha female. Even now at 15 years she still doesnt take crap from other dogs. Once she was made aware she could not eat the pup we brought home she taught him how to go for the jugular and take down prey when they played. They became the bestest buds.

http://artistdebrahoward.com/_Media/amber-happy-sailing-dog_med.pnghttp://artistdebrahoward.com/_Media/amber-on-beachx-2_med.jpeg

[Castout]

Boiled alive lobsters are quite tasty when you dismember them and dip the meat in butter and who doesn't like honey?

You really remind me of online Chinese trolls.

What makes boiling lobsters alive to taste better?

Do you know you're not making sense by saying that if you boil lobsters alive they would be tastier?

Doesn't make a difference if you kill them first before boiling them.

Thank you for your trolling attempt. Obviously, you're not very smart. Take it easy. If you want trouble you'll get it.

[August]

You really remind me of online Chinese trolls.

What makes boiling lobsters alive to taste better?

Do you know you're not making sense by saying that if you boil lobsters alive they would be tastier?

Doesn't make a difference if you kill them first before boiling them.

Thank you for your trolling attempt. Obviously, you're not very smart. Take it easy. If you want trouble you'll get it.

Oh come on now it's just a lobster not your cousin Bob.

I'm not apologizing for finding boiled lobster absolutely delicious. And yes alive is exactly how they go in the pot at every restaurant and home kitchen that i've ever had them at over the past half century living in New England. They're kind of a specialty around here.

Out of curiosity though what would be the PETA approved way to dispatch them first? Electrocution, lethal injection?

[Castout]

Never mind August. Thank you for reminding me why I am that.

There's no Bob, there's no lobster, there's no August, there's no Castout.

There's only It, the One all there is.

You enjoy your lobsters but please kill them before boiling them. You can google how to kill them humanely. It's more difficult to kill a crab humanely though.

They are not just lobsters, they are you too August...even when the sentence doesn't make sense to you.

[nikimcbee]

Boiled alive lobsters are quite tasty when you dismember them and dip the meat in butter and who doesn't like honey?


Wait? Are we talkin' lobsters or lobstahs?

These sounded like snow flake lobsters. They need their safe spaces and still live at home with their parents... until the octopus eats them alive.

Then there's those dumb Maine lobstahs. Uncultured brutes.

...then there's the Bahston lobstah. Wicked pissah! Eats snowflake lobsters in their safe spaces.

https://blog-photos.dogvacay.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/lobster-dog-costume-full.jpeg

https://dtpmhvbsmffsz.cloudfront.net/posts/2016/10/17/5805c6f0680278e77d023d7f/s_5805c6f0680278e77d023d80.jpg

Then there's the "lobstah back"
http://www.bulldoginformation.com/bulldog-in-lobster-costume.jpg
(note, no Steeds were harmed in this post, but his sense of pride was smothered in butter and served as a wicked lobstah roll.)



Remember when Steed was into punk?
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/3f/07/7d/3f077df6f95cd90e0f0595757a20f448.jpg

[nikimcbee]

The wife and I occasionally disagree on which one of us gives in the quickest and I readily admit it is usually me.

What kind of tricks can your wife get you to do for a bottle of beer?
http://cdn3.bigcommerce.com/s-uccqetzglt/products/112/images/394/Beef6Pk__95373.1461536694.500.659.jpg?c=2

He used to drink Newcastle, but now he goes crazy for a Bowser.:Kaleun_Cheers:

[August]

You enjoy your lobsters but please kill them before boiling them. You can google how to kill them humanely.

Yeah I did. It involves freezing them to death or at least making them hypothermic enough that they loose consciousness. A process that can take almost a half an hour assuming that you have sufficient ice/refrigeration available for the deed.

Two problems with that.

First, how do we know that this slow and lingering death is any less painful/upsetting to the bug than a relatively quick dispatch in the cooking pot?

Second how would that work at restaurants where you pick out the lobster you're going to eat from the holding tank? Do you think anyone is going to be ok with waiting an extra half hour to slowly kill the thing before the cooking even gets started?

They are not just lobsters, they are you too August...even when the sentence doesn't make sense to you.

I understand the theory but i'm sorry I just find the whole idea ridiculous.

Lobsters are a source of food for me, no more no less. You think a fish cares about the lobsters pain when it begins to eat them? Does the lion care about the gazelle feelings or the wolf care about the lamb? No they will merrily rip their prey apart while it is still bleating and struggling. So please don't tell me that we are all one when no other creature in nature is expected to be so considerate to their dinner.

[August]

Wait? Are we talkin' lobsters or lobstahs

:haha:

I used my cah to go down to the stowah to get some fresh lobsta but all they had left were cohawgs and flowndah.

[nikimcbee]

http://www.hellawella.com/sites/hellawella.com/files/styles/default/public/images/eats/OldBay/Eats_OldBaySeasoning_FEATURED.jpg?itok=X5ewxqb-

[Aktungbby]

:haha:

I used my cah to go down to the stowah to get some fresh lobsta but all they had left were cohawgs and flowndah.

How come they don't spell it: Maßachusetts anyhow? :haha: ( my wife's from there:k_confused:) My inlaws have very strange western-Maß accents! or as I indelicately put it with a sudden lisp:O:: 'they're all real Athols!' You enjoy your lobsters but please kill them before boiling them. You can google how to kill them humanely. It's more difficult to kill a crab humanely though.
Upon review: ...and my wife being a boil 'em alive lobster fanatic; I agree with Castout. I often guarded Red Lobster chain restaurants during all-night repair/remodel jobs and 'walkout (stiff-the- tab) prevention' but won't eat there. The live lobster tank is an abomination imho and way too pricey. I've also SCUBA'd for Spiney Lobster often at night 100' deep off St. Nicholas Island.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f3/Californian_Channel_Islands_map_en.png/220px-Californian_Channel_Islands_map_en.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Californian_Channel_Islands_map_en.png) and the Channel Islands at night using a sneaky red lens dive light. They're as big as Chihuahuas-and really fast! Contrary to claims made by seafood sellers, lobsters do feel pain, and they suffer immensely when they are cut, broiled, or boiled alive. Anyone who has ever boiled a lobster alive can attest that, when dropped into scalding water, lobsters whip their bodies wildly and scrape the sides of the pot in a desperate attempt to escape.
Most scientists agree that a lobster’s nervous system is quite sophisticated. For example, neurobiologist Tom Abrams says lobsters have “a full array of senses.” Jelle Atema, a marine biologist at the Marine Biological Laboratory in Woods Hole, Mass., and one of the country’s leading experts on lobsters, says, “I personally believe they do feel pain.”
Lobsters may even feel more pain than we would in similar situations. One popular food magazine recently suggested cutting live lobsters in half before tossing them on the grill (a recipe that’s “not for the squeamish Henceforth, at my new kitchen: There are several ways to accomplish this. Putting the lobster in the freezer an hour before cooking will do the trick. Quicker yet is to plunge the tip of a sharp knife straight down right behind the lobster's eyes. Then there's the latest for any guilt-free carnivore:O: at only $3500:k_confused: : the British-made crustastun! http://www.coolthings.com/crustastun-single-stunner-an-electric-lobster-taser/ (http://www.coolthings.com/crustastun-single-stunner-an-electric-lobster-taser/)http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/08/08/1407455770116_Image_galleryImage_Christopher_Baste n_Chef_d.JPG http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719544/How-kill-lobster-not-feel-guilty-Barrister-invents-Crustastun-machine-electrocutes-death-110-volt-shock.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2719544/How-kill-lobster-not-feel-guilty-Barrister-invents-Crustastun-machine-electrocutes-death-110-volt-shock.html)

[August]

Well you guys follow your own consciences, but I'm a carnivore that is completely guilt free dispatching lobsters the old way.

Re Maßachusetts: We don't do umlauts or other weird German letters but we do however (usually) answer to the name "Mass hole". :)

[Aktungbby]

Re Maßachusetts: We don't do umlauts or other weird German letters but we do however (usually) answer to the name "Mass hole". :)
NO NO! In this case the inlaws really R from Athol MAß!:har: the home of Starrett Tools no less! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/80/Starrett_Tools%2C_Athol_MA.jpg/1024px-Starrett_Tools%2C_Athol_MA.jpg

[Platapus]

I am convinced, through unscientific methods, that dogs understand more of our language then they have the ability to respond to. I am also convinced that dogs communicate much more non-verbally then we have the ability to respond to.

I am grateful that my dogs are more patient with my inability to understand them then I am with their not understanding me.

[August]

I think it's their ability to smell emotions.

[Castout]

Yeah I did. It involves freezing them to death or at least making them hypothermic enough that they loose consciousness. A process that can take almost a half an hour assuming that you have sufficient ice/refrigeration available for the deed.

Two problems with that.

First, how do we know that this slow and lingering death is any less painful/upsetting to the bug than a relatively quick dispatch in the cooking pot?

Second how would that work at restaurants where you pick out the lobster you're going to eat from the holding tank? Do you think anyone is going to be ok with waiting an extra half hour to slowly kill the thing before the cooking even gets started?



I understand the theory but i'm sorry I just find the whole idea ridiculous.

Lobsters are a source of food for me, no more no less. You think a fish cares about the lobsters pain when it begins to eat them? Does the lion care about the gazelle feelings or the wolf care about the lamb? No they will merrily rip their prey apart while it is still bleating and struggling. So please don't tell me that we are all one when no other creature in nature is expected to be so considerate to their dinner.

Just severing their nervous system(s) should be enough. A little pain is still much better than prolonged pain of being boiled alive or dismembered.

For lobsters it's the head, for crabs, there are two points which should be struck. They die quickly. Ideally before striking they should be iced but even when not it's still better than boiling them alive or dismembering them without touching the nervous system(s).

This should be done because
1. They are sentient despite our common ignorance
2. Non-duality is the only reality. Thus, we ought to avoid inflicting nightmare to others even animals.

[Mike Abberton]

Based on 30+ years as a dog owner, I think dogs definitely understand a lot of our "language" including words, tone, body posture, etc.

I am convinced my cats understand every word I say exactly, they just don't give a $#!^.

Mike

[Fubar2Niner]

http://i.imgur.com/YGlwYGW.jpg

Don't that kinda remind you of that creature in Ice Age ??

Am I late in noticing this?

[Aktungbby]

Am I late in noticing this? At our age...'late' is a word to B avoided!:03:

[Fubar2Niner]

Am I late in noticing this? At our age...'late' is a word to B avoided!:03:[/QUOTE]

At our age I'm too slow to avoid anything mate ;) I can't even quote stuff correctly :D