Woman who caused the death of Emmett Till admits she lied

[Factor]

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/us/emmett-till-lynching-carolyn-bryant-donham.html?_r=0


So sad. That boy didn't deserve his fate regardless if he did anything or not, and to find out he was completely innocent, just breaks my heart for him, and his poor mother who passed in 2003. RIP Emmett Till.

[Platapus]

Sad part of our history. :yep:

[Eichhörnchen]

I'd never heard of this. Thanks for posting...

[Commander Wallace]

I had heard this story before but not the admission of Donham. This is really just an ugly and tragic story. If Donham has a conscience, which I doubt, I hope it bothers her to this day that her lies cost a young boy his life. :nope:
Emmett Till's poor mother had to live with the life sentence she was given when her son was taken from her.

[Aktungbby]

I'd never heard of this. Thanks for posting...

REEEEEEEALLY UGLY and not over yet: In October 2016, the sign marking the site where Till's body was found was shot at by unknown persons, leaving it riddled with more than 40 bullet holes... https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/55/Bryant%27s_Grocery.jpg/220px-Bryant%27s_Grocery.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Bryant%27s_Grocery.jpg)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till) In 1920 things were not much better in Duluth, Minnesota https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Duluth_lynchings (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Duluth_lynchings)https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f9/Clayton-Jackson-McGhie-memorial-Duluth-Minnesota.jpg/300px-Clayton-Jackson-McGhie-memorial-Duluth-Minnesota.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Clayton-Jackson-McGhie-memorial-Duluth-Minnesota.jpg)Talk about not 'Minnesota Nice'! Even WWII England did not escape the issue : http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/07/us/when-black-soldiers-were-hanged-a-war-s-footnote.html (http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/07/us/when-black-soldiers-were-hanged-a-war-s-footnote.html) Black soldiers paid for capital crimes disproportionately at the gallows in the segregated military of that time. 55 Blacks Executed. Only blacks were executed for rape in England during World War II, [7] and only blacks—six men—were hanged for rape by MacArthur in New Guinea at the end of the Pacific war. [8] http://apjjf.org/-Terese-Svoboda/2737/article.html (http://apjjf.org/-Terese-Svoboda/2737/article.html) The rate of execution for black soldiers was even higher for the rape of civilians, for which 25 blacks (87 percent) and 4 whites (13 percent) were put to death. In 28 murder convictions, 22 blacks and 6 whites were executed. Of the 12 executed for murder and rape, 8 were black and 4 were white. Albert Pierrepoint served as the assistant executioner, in seven executions of American soldiers. The United States Army Center of Military History in Washington says very little information is available on the subject.:hmmm: How convenient? But one historian there, Russell J. Parkinson, was able to confirm the basic data that Mr. Lilly is using. "There's clearly a black preponderance," Mr. Parkinson said, after reviewing the execution records and finding Mr. Lilly's quest a worthy avenue for scholarship. Professor Lilly said the executions of blacks for the rape of English civilians strongly support his suspicions of a Jim Crow sort of racism in American military justice in World War II. For less serious, less interracially explosive offenses, like barracks dishonesty and drunkenness, Mr. Lilly found the races represented proportionally. White soldiers were charged 9 times out of 10.
But sex offenses registered differently, even apart from outright rape. Black soldiers made up more than 40 percent of the total accused of sex crimes, and they were convicted in two-thirds of the cases; white soldiers were convicted at a 40 percent rate.

[Oberon]

Even WWII England did not escape the issue

Let's just quantify that.

The executions in England were in fact at a US run prison at Shepton Mallet under US law.

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/sheptonm.html

Rape did not carry the death penalty in the UK at that time, only murder and treason did IIRC.

[Eichhörnchen]

This was a terrific post, Aktung. Thanks so much...

[Aktungbby]

Let's just quantify that.

The executions in England were in fact at a US run prison at Shepton Mallet under US law.

http://www.capitalpunishmentuk.org/sheptonm.html

Rape did not carry the death penalty in the UK at that time, only murder and treason did IIRC. NO! NO! it's QUALIFY!:shucks: but perhaps I over-emphasize the Pierrepoint of the argument:O: The last one, Anicito Martinez, a(New Mexican Hispanic with a poor appointed lawyer?) probably appreciated the distinction of being the last military hanging by a skilled professional to avoid the often botched American hangman's work(Nuremburg??!!) The normal U.S. Army method of hanging was not permitted in England and this was confirmed by Albert Pierrepoint, in his autobiography. Most of the normal American execution customs were allowed however. Executions by hanging were normally carried out at 1.00 a.m. in the morning of the specified day. (Shooting executions were carried out around 8.00 a.m.) The British method of hanging was used, there was no standard drop and no hangmen's coiled noose, but an exactly calculated drop using a British style eyelet noose." Methinks If the Brits could quibble about the 'modus' on home turf they could also have quibbled more diligently about the 'operendi' as well....but good Allies are hard to come by... And talk about "swept under the carpet er greensward" afterwards: All of the American service members put to death in the austere British prison—16 by hanging and two by firing squad—were initially buried in unmarked graves at Brookwood Cemetery, some 83 miles west of their place of execution. In 1948 all 18 sets of remains were ordered transferred to the Oise-Anse American Cemetery in France—a burial place for U.S. dead from World War I—as were the remains of the 52 other men executed elsewhere in the European Theater and several put to death after the war for crimes committed while stationed in Europe. All of the remains were buried in a section of the cemetery referred to as Plot E, which is separate from the main facility and hidden in thick forest. There the executed American servicemen—known collectively as “the dishonorable dead”—lie beneath small markers bearing only numbers. No 'dishonorable' lynched in Albion by George! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/ec/ca/a7/eccaa7afefcc2cc6bfcb72383c4e35d2.jpg

[Oberon]

Like you say, good allies are hard to come by, particularly useful ones with lots of manpower who aren't communist. Even if it took some doing to get them there in the first place. :03:

[Commander Wallace]

Like you say, good allies are hard to come by, particularly useful ones with lots of manpower who aren't communist. Even if it took some doing to get them there in the first place. :03:


If you are referring to WW2, many American's went through Canada to enlist in the armed forces of England. One such individual was WW2 Ace pliot Gabby Gabreski from Oil City Pennsylvania who flew the Supermarine Spitfire Mark IX. Many others Americans labored anonymously and without anything in the way of fanfare in the armed services of England during WW2 as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabby_Gabreski

This doesn't even begin to mention the American personnel who were in the Merchant Marine who brought supplies to England to enable them to stay in the fight. Many of them battled and died fighting against U-boats and sea raiders. There is of course the Lend Lease program as well.

A great deal of this was before America " Officially " entered the war.

[Oberon]

If you are referring to WW2, many American's went through Canada to enlist in the armed forces of England. One such individual was WW2 Ace pliot Gabby Gabreski from Oil City Pennsylvania who flew the Supermarine Spitfire Mark IX. Many others Americans labored anonymously and without anything in the way of fanfare in the armed services of England during WW2 as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gabby_Gabreski

This doesn't even begin to mention the American personnel who were in the Merchant Marine who brought supplies to England to enable them to stay in the fight. Many of them battled and died fighting against U-boats and sea raiders. There is of course the Lend Lease program as well.

A great deal of this was before America " Officially " entered the war.

That's true, you did the best you could but the likes of the 'America First' movement really didn't help.

[Commander Wallace]

That's true, you did the best you could but the likes of the 'America First' movement really didn't help.


I'm guessing you are referring to the Isolationist stance that the U.S was " officially " pursuing at the time. Nonetheless, Americans were dying during this time to defend England which is more than what Ireland did closer to home. Ireland did assist " unofficially " and provided some intelligence where possible. Fortunately, the U.S did become involved for a good part of WW2 and England probably never had a better leader than Winston Churchill who carried England through some dark times.

[Jimbuna]

Nonetheless, Americans were dying during this time to defend England which is more than what Ireland did closer to home. Ireland did assist " unofficially " and provided some intelligence where possible. Fortunately, the U.S did become involved for a good part of WW2 and England probably never had a better leader than Winston Churchill who carried England through some dark times.

Rgr that.