Genderism is as dumb as creationism

[Skybird]

A pseudo-science that relates to science like astrology compares to astronomy. But genderism is no science. It is ideology-driven political egoism with a strong cultist lobby.

And this 45 minutes documentary film from Norway gives some very revealing info on the state of things.

Norwegian with English or German subtitles:

English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiJVJ5QRRUE&list=PLPPa8aTP2j2MPyEzYwqmCOMHLi1bmu95e

German: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OfoZR8aZt4

In Norway, after this film was broadcasted by Norwegian state (!) TV, it led to the state not just cutting back but completely stopping the public funding of hilariously so-called gender-studies, and I think the issue is almsot dead now in Norway.

In Germany, genderism has managed to deeply indoctrinate the realms of politics and - worse - public education, schools and universities alike. Its a pest, a plague, a haunting. It costs real serious money, and it destroys competence in the decision making institutions and levels of the hierarchies, replacing competence regarding a certain branch of economics or science and insutry, with the right faith.

The comparison of genderism with creationism is not originally by me, many biologists have made that comparison before while point for point debunking the myths and legends genderism tries to establish in the world.

To me it simply is the refusal of keeping reasonable thinking working, and defying scientific methodology as sexual discrimnation.

And the amount of hate and demonization from genderists when you confront their hilarious claims, even to me sometimes still is shocking. And it is not easy to shock me anymore.

In Germany, in the past years several very profound books by biologists have taken on genderists, and have managed to destroy their stupid, esoteric claims completely - and easily. Its just that politics and the wide public reject these books, and instead ignore them almost completely. Its not what they want to hear. German romanticism once again casts the speel of doom and desaster. Germasn might not know things with their heads, but they feeeel the wisdom in their hearts!:yeah:

[AndyJWest]

Do you mean 'genderism' as defined in Wikipedia?

Genderism, or gender binarism, is the social system or cultural belief that gender is a binary: that is, that there are, or should be, only two genders — masculine and feminine — with the aspects of one's gender inherently linked to one's genetic sex, or sex assigned at birth.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderism

As far as I can determine, that seems to be the way the term is generally used in English. As for its relation to science, that is complex matter.

[Skybird]

I mean the ideological movement that claims that gender is not biologically determined and that X and Y chromosomes have no meaning in forming gender, and that therefore all claimed differences between men and women are just imagination and culturally educated habits that could be engineered freely at will.

Watch the film and then you know what it is about.

[AndyJWest]

I mean the ideological movement that claims that gender is not biologically determined and that X and Y chromosomes have no meaning in forming gender, and that therefore all claimed differences between men and women are just imagination and culturally educated habits that could be engineered freely at will.

Watch the film and then you know what it is about.

Ah, I see. A straw man.

[Oberon]

Ah, I see. A straw man.

Straw-person. :O:

Honestly though, haven't we got better things to be worrying about than what someone decides to call themselves?

[Catfish]

Straw-person. :O:

Honestly though, haven't we got better things to be worrying about than what someone decides to call themselves?

Hah you english have it easy with your "the" :O:


Seriously, in Germany you have meanwhile to write your diploma or bachelor or master or whatever in a way that it is gender-neutral, otherwise your efforts will be rejected :shifty:

I am not a fan of the german AfD party, but his is hilarious:
"Die gendergerechte Begruessung" (in german, of(f) course)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Wp_YOOv3QQ

[Oberon]

Hah you english have it easy with your "the" :O:


Seriously, in Germany you have meanwhile to write your diploma or bachelor or master or whatever in a way that it is gender-neutral, otherwise your efforts will be rejected :shifty:




I think then, the biggest problem lies not in the concept itself but in the way that it is implemented, or over-implemented in some circumstances. In short, some people take things too far, but the concept itself is harmless.

[Von Due]

Meanwhile in Norway, one of yesterday's papers had a news article in which the main person in the article was titled [translated] public servantmanwoman :hmmm:

[Aktungbby]

Hah you english have it easy with your "the" :O:


Seriously, in Germany you have meanwhile to write your diploma or bachelor or master or whatever in a way that it is gender-neutral, otherwise your efforts will be rejected :shifty:


I'll keep this in mind when netting 'HERRing' off Monterey. From now on, it's Fraüring!:D http://www.oliveto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/herring-550.jpg (http://www.oliveto.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/herring-550.jpg)

[Catfish]

^ :o

Ggggggrrrrrrroooaaaaaannnnnnn

:haha:

[Skybird]

I think then, the biggest problem lies not in the concept itself but in the way that it is implemented, or over-implemented in some circumstances. In short, some people take things too far, but the concept itself is harmless.
Totally wrong. The problem is the concept itself.

You probbaly are not aware to what degree these gender"studies" already have infiltrated society and how much it costs us both in money as well as non.financial qualities to allow this happening.

Compare it to having creationism placed on same level with academic studies at universities. It denounces the very value and principle of the sciewntific methodology and history if calling that "harmless". It isn't.

Not by a lightyear.

You cannot be what you are not. Not education decides whether you are male or female. Two chromoses decide that. I may regret that I am no bird, but thats how it is: I am a human, not a bird. I cannot breatn underwater, for that is what fishes can, but humans not. I am white-skinned. I may wish or think it is cool to have brown skind, but I have no brown skin, but white skin, no matter how much I want a brown one.

And when I walk around and tell people I am a bird with brown skin that can breath underwater, than I am a mentally deranged person and need to be taklen care of in a psychiatric ward. A society that takes me serious and beleives what I claim, has a problem. A BIG PROBLEM. For it is nuts itself.

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Watch that film.

[AndyJWest]

So, is your absolute conviction that whenever you read about something or other you don't like it is going to result in the sky falling in a product of your genes, or culture?

[Oberon]

So, is your absolute conviction that whenever you read about something or other you don't like it is going to result in the sky falling in a product of your genes, or culture?

I don't think it's genetic or cultural, I mean there are a number of Germans on this forum and not all of them are so Nostradamus.

[AndyJWest]

I don't think it's genetic or cultural, I mean there are a number of Germans on this forum and not all of them are so Nostradamus.

Well there are other possibilities beyond genes and culture: there seems to be some evidence that viral infections can alter mental functioning. And then there are random cosmic rays, or being dropped on ones head as a baby...

Seriously though, the interplay between environment (physical and cultural) and genetics in forming gender and sexuality is an interesting topic, and worthy of discussion and debate. But not amongst people who are so sure that they have the 'truth' that they are incapable of actually learning anything. The current state of knowledge of the topic is such that if you are certain of anything, you are almost certainly wrong...

[Oberon]

The current state of knowledge of the topic is such that if you are certain of anything, you are almost certainly wrong...

True, although to be fair that can work both ways, if we're so sure that he's incorrect then are we as sure in our beliefs as he is in his? :hmmm: