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Onkel Neal
11-04-16, 11:06 PM
Man, this is getting real :o

U.S. military hackers have penetrated Russia's electric grid, telecommunications networks and the Kremlin's command systems, making them vulnerable to attack by secret American cyber weapons should the U.S. deem it necessary, according to a senior intelligence official and top-secret documents reviewed by NBC News.

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-hackers-ready-hit-back-if-russia-disrupts-election-n677936

eddie
11-04-16, 11:34 PM
Its about time we stood up to Putin. Hope we don't have to go that far, but he's playing with fire.

Buddahaid
11-05-16, 12:13 AM
Will creation never stop? It's getting very hard to be a Luddite these days!

Eichhörnchen
11-05-16, 02:35 AM
Looks like we're also preparing for this in the UK:

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2016/nov/01/philp-hammond-to-spend-extra-19bn-fighting-cyber-attacks

em2nought
11-05-16, 04:26 AM
Clinton, Obama, and the press would get us in a war with Russia just to cover up their misdeeds. :03:

STEED
11-05-16, 04:51 AM
Looks like we're also preparing for this in the UK:



Yea goodbye Windows 98 hello Windows 2000. :03:

The budget will not pay for XP just too much money.

HunterICX
11-05-16, 05:25 AM
Like Russia has to do much to disrupt the elections as the voters of both sides do it themselves whenever they meet :D

kraznyi_oktjabr
11-05-16, 05:30 AM
Yea goodbye Windows 98 hello Windows 2000. :03:

The budget will not pay for XP just too much money.Windows 2000 is such a relic it should have some antique value by now so I'm a bit sceptical your government could "affored" genouine copy. Did you perhaps obtain yours from St. Petersburg black market? :hmmm:

Platapus
11-05-16, 06:36 AM
Man, this is getting real :o



http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s-hackers-ready-hit-back-if-russia-disrupts-election-n677936

Well, I guess it is a good thing that NBC released this information. Now everyone, promise to to show this to any Russians, OK?

Are we truly in a time when no one can keep a secret?

Oberon
11-05-16, 06:40 AM
Well, I guess it is a good thing that NBC released this information. Now everyone, promise to to show this to any Russians, OK?

Are we truly in a time when no one can keep a secret?

A deterrent is not necessarily a deterrent if no-one knows you have it.

Chances are that it's a big bluff and that US military hackers are playing Battlefield 1 at the moment, but no doubt the Kremlin will be spending the next few days double-checking that there's nothing nasty hidden in its folders.
Hunter makes a good point though, I think the most disruptive thing in the American elections will be Americans. :dead:

STEED
11-05-16, 06:47 AM
Windows 2000 is such a relic it should have some antique value by now so I'm a bit sceptical your government could "affored" genouine copy. Did you perhaps obtain yours from St. Petersburg black market? :hmmm:

If I hear there has been a big computer deal with the Russian's and no full details then you may be right. :)

As for rooting tooting Puting he's far too busy in the gym getting ready for Mr Russia 2017 calendar shoot.

yubba
11-05-16, 07:05 AM
Somebody needs to be fitted for a tin foil hat,,how do you hack paper ballets,,oh yeah democrat voter fraud in which I have a thread up of,, yep corrupt liberalism hangs in the balance ,, for some folk it's worth starting WW3 over,, I'm hope-ing for rope and change

yubba
11-05-16, 07:27 AM
I don't think the Russians will be counting our votes,,, if the machines are that vunerable we deserve to be hacked,,,the government is more worried that the Russians are showing us how corrupt this constitutionally impared progressive liberal government really is. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96pGwWcvFpg

Skybird
11-05-16, 07:33 AM
What I do not get is why people are being sent to voting machines if instead you could have a panel of experts estimating how many voters would vote for the candidates. Wouldn't that increase the chances to get the wanted outcome? The machines then no longer needed could be turned into cashless payment facilties so that people can be more easily plundered and are more defenceless against internet crime.

This way, nothing gets wasted, and cheaper and more time efficient it would be as well.

Jimbuna
11-05-16, 08:00 AM
Well, rather electronic attack than nuclear attack I suppose :hmmm:

Oberon
11-05-16, 08:18 AM
Well, rather electronic attack than nuclear attack I suppose :hmmm:

Probably more reliable. :03:

Bilge_Rat
11-05-16, 08:37 AM
hum, let's see, NBC news has been one of the most biased pro-Clinton news media.

Now NBC news has a so-called "News" story 3 days before the election that Russia might manipulate votes all based on "un-named" sources and "secret" documents....:hmmm:

My money is on the Clinton campaign being behind the story. You have had a slew of "Russia is trying to elect Trump"/"Trump is a Russian stooge/spy" stories that have come out in the past week, all seem to come straight from the Clinton campaign.

Russia has a smaller GNP than italy, its military budget is 10% that of the USA, according to most experts its Army would struggle just to overrun Ukraine. Democrats are blowing it up as an existential threat just to gain a short term electoral advantage. A very short sighted view IMHO.

Oberon
11-05-16, 09:07 AM
Eh, it's not a new game, I've lost count of the amount of times that Russia has been painted as the aggressor and the new threat by political parties, and if it's not Russia then it's China and if it's not China then it's Daesh, and if it's not Daesh then it's Al'Qaeda...

It's been interesting watching Trump throw the Republican stance on Putin in the dustbin though, wonder how many Republicans will swallow their words on Putin if Trump wins and decides to buddy up to him. :hmmm:

Oberon
11-05-16, 11:06 AM
Also, by the way, Russia is not exactly sitting back and calming things down, I mean even their weather forecasts come with advice on the coming nuclear apocalypse:

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-state-tv-cuts-weather-report-on-potential-us-nuclear-strike-55628

yubba
11-05-16, 11:06 AM
Eh, it's not a new game, I've lost count of the amount of times that Russia has been painted as the aggressor and the new threat by political parties, and if it's not Russia then it's China and if it's not China then it's Daesh, and if it's not Daesh then it's Al'Qaeda...

It's been interesting watching Trump throw the Republican stance on Putin in the dustbin though, wonder how many Republicans will swallow their words on Putin if Trump wins and decides to buddy up to him. :hmmm:

The way Hillary let Russia have 20% of our uranium,, and how Obama whispered in the Russian Prime minister's ear,,'' tell Valad I'll would have more flexibility,, I would have thought we were the
best of buds,, I hope they don't send that uranium back atop of a icbm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsFR8DbSRQE

yubba
11-05-16, 11:08 AM
Also, by the way, Russia is not exactly sitting back and calming things down, I mean even their weather forecasts come with advice on the coming nuclear apocalypse:

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/russian-state-tv-cuts-weather-report-on-potential-us-nuclear-strike-55628
And while we are being played by a bunch of crooks

Oberon
11-05-16, 11:09 AM
I hope they don't send that uranium back atop of a icbm

But Vlad is your new best friend! At least according to the Donald. :hmmm: So what's wrong with giving them 'the nuclear'?

yubba
11-05-16, 11:53 AM
But Vlad is your new best friend! At least according to the Donald. :hmmm: So what's wrong with giving them 'the nuclear'?

So why is the PU and NATO poking the Bear did the Saudis convince you to join their islamic civil war ,, so your lads can join forces with ISIS

Oberon
11-05-16, 12:05 PM
So why is the PU and NATO poking the Bear did the Saudis convince you to join their islamic civil war ,, so your lads can join forces with ISIS

I don't know, you guys run NATO and got us involved in the war in the Middle East, so you tell me. :hmmm:

Rockstar
11-05-16, 12:19 PM
The US runs NATO? I thought it was some Norweigian going by the name of Jens Stoltenberg. It was Jens who said:

"A transatlantic demonstration of rock-solid support for our Allies.

I am proud to announce that many other Allies confirmed contributions to these forces today.

Albania, Italy, Poland and Slovenia will contribute to the Canadian-led battalion in Latvia.

Belgium, Croatia, France, Luxembourg, Netherlands, and Norway will join the German-led battalion in Lithuania.

Denmark and France will contribute to the UK-led battalion in Estonia.

And Romania and the United Kingdom will join the US-led battalion in Poland.

Our forces will be truly multinational. Sending an unmistakable message: NATO stands as one. An attack on any Ally will be considered an attack on us all."

Note the words 'us', 'we', 'our', 'allies' 'UK led battalions' words like those would seem to indicate it is a multi-national organization rather than a U.S. one.

Oberon
11-05-16, 12:30 PM
The US runs NATO? I thought it was some Norweigian going by the name of Jens Stoltenberg. It was Jens who said:



Note the words 'us', 'we', 'our', 'allies' 'UK led battalions' words like those would seem to indicate it is a multi-national organization rather than a U.S. one.

True, but who puts the most money and manpower into it? I doubt it's the UK.
Don't get me wrong, I'm pro-NATO, and I'm concerned at current Russian activities, sure I know that we're no apostles of mercy, but at the same time I can't look at the whole Ukrainian situation with much sympathy for Russia. Maybe it's my Baltic ancestry, I like Russian culture, music and I have a great respect for her people, but I also have a great distrust of 'Strongman' leaders who rule through fear and intimidation.

Skybird
11-05-16, 12:31 PM
These force are tripwires at best. Take American intel, cyber capacity, platform numbers and forces deployed, and firepower out of the equation and then see if NATO still is a threat the Russians need to worry about.

Behind the curtain, behind the stage, the show is run, maintained and supported by the US, there can be zero doubt about it. Nato minus the US is not even close to be even 50% of what it now is.

There is also a legislation that bans any US forces to obey command to a non-US commander. That is one of the reasons why every NATO supreme commander so far has been an American.

In NATO nothing works against the will or without the approval of Wshsington. Nothing. ;) Which may even be just fair, considering that the US bears the by far biggest share of NATO's combat power - and its costs.

To me the problem is not that the American side is so strong in NATO, but that the European "partners" have decided to want to be so weak. For many Europeans, even a running war is not so much a military problem, but an issue of abstract politics that obeys to politics's ways - not to military needs and military events. And when it gets demonstrated by reality that this is a big self-deception and wars get run by bombers and tanks and cannons and riufles, the same polticians run around like chicken with a lot of wing beating and loud and noisy cackling, thinking this makes thing stop. Strength is to cackle loud and show a colourful featherdress.

Hahaha.

However, the relation between the US and Europe is clear. The one is the dominant hegemon, the other is the sometimes more, sometimes less obedient vasall, at least in military affairs. The gulf wars and Afghanistan have illustrated that quite clearly.

yubba
11-05-16, 01:04 PM
I don't know, you guys run NATO and got us involved in the war in the Middle East, so you tell me. :hmmm:
You guys in the PU and the Democrats had both hands up when Bush asked for a show of hands to go into Iraq ,you all couldn't wait to turn that into a quagmire like Vietnam, Remember Obama wanted to lead from the rear, so who's funding this one world government I'd say that would be the Saudis ,,the leaders of the PU have sold out their own citizens,, just like the Clintons for middle eastern cash.

Oberon
11-05-16, 01:09 PM
who's funding this one world government I'd say that would be the Saudis

So it's not the Jews?

I've been lied to again! :doh:

But who is funding the Saudis? Must be Soros...he's behind everything else...and then maybe the Jews are behind him?

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/174/948/f43.png

Rockstar
11-05-16, 01:24 PM
True, but who puts the most money and manpower into it? I doubt it's the UK.


So what you're saying then is your nation has relinquished its free will to another and prostituted itself for money? :D

Oberon
11-05-16, 01:27 PM
So what you're saying then is your nation has relinquished its free will to another and prostituted itself for money? :D

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif

August
11-05-16, 02:16 PM
So it's not the Jews?

You seem to throw the anti-semite implication around quite a bit.

Rockstar
11-05-16, 03:02 PM
https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif

Lol I'm just jokin'. 😀

Oberon
11-05-16, 03:13 PM
You seem to throw the anti-semite implication around quite a bit.

I'm toying, it's not so much an anti-semite implication, it's a reference to the fact that most conspiracy theories wind up roping the poor sods in there somewhere. I don't for a second think Yubba is anti-semitic, that much I can say for certain, but he does love some Alex Jones level conspiracies.

Lol I'm just jokin'. 😀

I know, but in humour there's a grain of truth. :03: Still, it's been this way since '45, so it's nothing new. We're not the empire we used to be, and that's ok.

mapuc
11-05-16, 03:24 PM
Imagine a future where USA have left NATO and joined an alliance with Russia.

Wonder how the political and military situation in Europe would be if that ever happened.

Markus

Oberon
11-05-16, 03:32 PM
Imagine a future where USA have left NATO and joined an alliance with Russia.

Wonder how the political and military situation in Europe would be if that ever happened.

Markus

Ochen horosho tovarisch. :yep:

Torplexed
11-05-16, 04:16 PM
Imagine a future where USA have left NATO and joined an alliance with Russia.


https://cdn.meme.am/instances/66340273.jpg

yubba
11-05-16, 05:13 PM
[QUOTE=Oberon,, I don't for a second think Yubba is anti-semitic, that much I can say for certain, but he does love some Alex Jones level conspiracies.



[/QUOTE],,.

Well I guess that's better than being called a racist,, in which I've been called frequently,, when others can't stream two facts together,, fact there is a Islamic civil war,, sunnies and the ****es or Iran and Saudi Arabia and Syria is the battle ground over a pipe line route from Turkey to Suadi Arabia and ISIS is sunnie,,, just follow the money trail or read some of those leaked e-mails ,, in every conspiracy there is always some truth in them,, or you wouldn't throw oh that's a conspiracy theory card out there like the race card when you can't defend your point of view,, one thing is certain I called it on the 9/11 attack on Benghazi and I have the thread in here to prove that I was right and they lied.

AndyJWest
11-05-16, 06:28 PM
...in every conspiracy there is always some truth in them...

Er, no. A logical impossibility, given the number of logically-contradictory theories. The surface of the Earth cannot simultaneously be flat and form the surface of a hollow spherical bubble. Not even a little bit...

yubba
11-05-16, 06:44 PM
[QUOTE=AndyJWest;2444759]Er, no. A logical impossibility, given the number of logically-contradictory theories. The surface of the Earth cannot simultaneously be flat and form the surface of a hollow spherical bubble. Not even a little bit...[/QUOTE}

Or I could hit you in the face,, and then convince you I didn't do it,, and if you tried to say something about it ,, I'd just say it's a conspiracy theory,, see how that works.

Platapus
11-05-16, 06:50 PM
The way Hillary let Russia have 20% of our uranium,,

Where to start? Where to start.

1. The decision was made by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS). There are nine agencies and directorates that make up the CFIUS. The Chair is held by the Department of the Treasury.

2. The CFIUS can NOT veto or prevent the transaction. Only the President can stop the transaction. The CFIUS only provides advice and manages the interrelationships between various organizations.

3. Clinton was not on the CFIUS. Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez was the State Department representative. He has stated that Clinton was not part of any deliberations nor did she intervene at any time.

yubba
11-05-16, 07:08 PM
Where to start? Where to start.

1. The decision was made by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS). There are nine agencies and directorates that make up the CFIUS. The Chair is held by the Department of the Treasury.

2. The CFIUS can NOT veto or prevent the transaction. Only the President can stop the transaction. The CFIUS only provides advice and manages the interrelationships between various organizations.

3. Clinton was not on the CFIUS. Assistant Secretary of State Jose Fernandez was the State Department representative. He has stated that Clinton was not part of any deliberations nor did she intervene at any time.

Maybe we should start here,,this looks to be a good read,, http://ijr.com/2015/04/305269-2-hillary-clinton-influence-russian-nuclear-fuel-deal-clinton-foundation-received-millions-dollars/

yubba
11-05-16, 07:16 PM
here's another good read,, from a liberal rag.,https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/26/the-facts-behind-trumps-repeated-claim-about-hillary-clintons-role-in-the-russian-uranium-deal/

AndyJWest
11-05-16, 07:24 PM
Or I could hit you in the face,, and then convince you I didn't do it,, and if you tried to say something about it ,, I'd just say it's a conspiracy theory,, see how that works.

Is there supposed to be some sort of logic hiding in there somewhere? If so, I must congratulate you on your skills in the art of camouflage. :Kaleun_Applaud:

AndyJWest
11-05-16, 07:32 PM
here's another good read,, from a liberal rag.,https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2016/10/26/the-facts-behind-trumps-repeated-claim-about-hillary-clintons-role-in-the-russian-uranium-deal/

Interesting:
The Pinocchio Test

Trump and his campaign claim that Clinton “gave” or “handed over” 20 percent of American uranium rights to the Russians. Through the Uranium One deal, the Russian state-owned nuclear energy company does now have control over 20 percent of U.S. uranium extraction capacity. But it cannot export the uranium.

In 2010, the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States approved the sale of the majority of the shares to the Russians. The State Department was one of nine agencies on the committee that approved the deal. The deal was also separately approved by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

There is no evidence Clinton herself got involved in the deal personally, and it is highly questionable that this deal even rose to the level of the secretary of state. Theoretically, as Schweizer says, Clinton could have intervened. But even then, it ultimately would have been Obama’s decision whether to suspend or block the deal.

We wavered between Three and Four Pinocchios. Trump so often uses broad-brushed language that pushes him into Four Pinocchio territory, and this is yet another one of those cases. He specifically names Hillary Clinton as the active agent in the Uranium One deal, saying she “gave them” or “handed over” uranium to the Russians, but that is not the case. Then, he further claimed the sale went forward in exchange “for a big payment.” There’s no evidence for that claim either.

Trump could have avoided so many Pinocchios had he been more careful with the language. For example: “Hillary Clinton’s State Department was one of nine agencies that approved the deal.” Words matter.

As you say, the Washington Post is a 'liberal rag'. I'm glad to see you find their analysis of Trump's casual disregard for little details like actually getting the facts right to be of such value, despite your apparent dislike of their political leanings.

Oberon
11-05-16, 07:56 PM
Interesting:


As you say, the Washington Post is a 'liberal rag'. I'm glad to see you find their analysis of Trump's casual disregard for little details like actually getting the facts right to be of such value, despite your apparent dislike of their political leanings.

Do you think he actually reads it before he posts it? :hmmm:

yubba
11-05-16, 08:52 PM
Is there supposed to be some sort of logic hiding in there somewhere? If so, I must congratulate you on your skills in the art of camouflage. :Kaleun_Applaud:
It's called gaslighting son,, it's what this corrupt government is doing too you, sorta like you getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar ,, and mom says are you stealing cookies and you say no.

AndyJWest
11-05-16, 08:58 PM
It's called gaslighting son,, it's what this corrupt government is doing too you, sorta like you getting caught with your hand in the cookie jar ,, and mom says are you stealing cookies and you say no.

Firstly, I am not your 'son', and I suspect I may be some years older than you: lose the patronising attitude. Secondly it isn't my government: we have our own brand of ego-driven political elite this side of the Atlantic. And thirdly, if you want to win arguments, I suggest you start providing some evidence to back them up, rather than spamming this forum with vacuous drivel and links to articles which state the exact opposite of what you seem to think they do.

yubba
11-05-16, 08:58 PM
So where did that 20% of uranium go,,http://www.infowars.com/clinton-foundation-key-to-giving-putin-20-of-us-uranium/

AndyJWest
11-05-16, 09:01 PM
So where did that 20% of uranium go,,http://www.infowars.com/clinton-foundation-key-to-giving-putin-20-of-us-uranium/

If you'd bothered to read the Washington Post article you posted a link to, you'd know...

yubba
11-05-16, 09:05 PM
Firstly, I am not your 'son', and I suspect I may be some years older than you: lose the patronising attitude. Secondly it isn't my government: we have our own brand of ego-driven political elite this side of the Atlantic. And thirdly, if you want to win arguments, I suggest you start providing some evidence to back them up, rather than spamming this forum with vacuous drivel and links to articles which state the exact opposite of what you seem to think they do.

spam ,, well that's better than using the race card,, you wouldn't know spam from potted meat,.,, and you don't even realize that you are being invaded ,, now that's funny,, that's what we call being gaslighted

yubba
11-05-16, 09:07 PM
If you'd bothered to read the Washington Post article you posted a link to, you'd know...

I'm asking you..

AndyJWest
11-05-16, 09:14 PM
Go away, you silly little man.

Oberon
11-05-16, 09:19 PM
So where did that 20% of uranium go,,http://www.infowars.com/clinton-foundation-key-to-giving-putin-20-of-us-uranium/

Aaaand here comes Infowars!

So, how's the mandatory viewing of 12 years a slave in order to 'control children in government internment camps - also known as public schools' coming along?

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fp9qQ7H667Zi8/giphy.gif

yubba
11-05-16, 10:18 PM
Aaaand here comes Infowars!

So, how's the mandatory viewing of 12 years a slave in order to 'control children in government internment camps - also known as public schools' coming along?

https://media.giphy.com/media/Fp9qQ7H667Zi8/giphy.gif

well he's got more views than CNN,,, CNN?? Who ???

AndyJWest
11-06-16, 12:29 AM
I'm sure there's good money to be made spewing forth deranged conspiracy theories you don't actually believe in yourself to gullible fools who think that giving credence such claptrap makes them look intelligent. All-American free enterprise at its best!

Oberon
11-06-16, 07:54 AM
well he's got more views than CNN,,, CNN?? Who ???

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Buddahaid
11-06-16, 10:03 AM
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/558/387/cdf.jpg

http://www.rawstory.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Police-officer-writing-ticket-via-Shutterstock-800x430.jpg

Sir, do you know how fast that bull was going?

Oberon
11-06-16, 11:00 AM
Sir, do you know how fast that bull was going?

:har::har::har::har::har:

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Catfish
11-06-16, 01:54 PM
Does anyone actually believe what Trump says, in his "speeches" :o

Oberon
11-06-16, 02:42 PM
Does anyone actually believe what Trump says, in his "speeches" :o

I believe that he intends to at least make a token effort at undertaking a lot of what he has promised, especially when it benefits him or undermines his enemies. However, as Obama found out, promising and doing are two completely seperate things when you have to go through Congress.

AndyJWest
11-06-16, 03:43 PM
Does anyone actually believe what Trump says, in his "speeches" :o

I have serious doubts as to whether Trump does, since much of it seems not only unscripted, but apparently to have been spontaneously generated on the spot. It probably surprises him more than anyone else.

mapuc
11-06-16, 04:04 PM
Does anyone actually believe what Trump says, in his "speeches" :o

I think he has in the last 5 years or so, been studying the Danish politicians-they are expert on saying things the Danish people like to hear and after they have been elected-forgetting everything about it

Markus

Platapus
11-06-16, 06:04 PM
Does anyone actually believe what Trump says, in his "speeches" :o

About the same as I do when any lying deceptive POS politician speaks. But then I was being redundant.

Torplexed
11-06-16, 10:39 PM
I have serious doubts as to whether Trump does, since much of it seems not only unscripted, but apparently to have been spontaneously generated on the spot. It probably surprises him more than anyone else.

That probably explains why his campaign finally took his Twitter account away and hid it until the election is over.

http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/they-finally-took-away-donald-trumps-twitter-account-1788636451

Torvald Von Mansee
11-07-16, 04:41 AM
Somebody needs to be fitted for a tin foil hat,,how do you hack paper ballets,,oh yeah democrat voter fraud in which I have a thread up of,, yep corrupt liberalism hangs in the balance ,, for some folk it's worth starting WW3 over,, I'm hope-ing for rope and change

The New York Times or the Washington Post did a study, and found that out of like a billion votes cast over a certain period (since the '70s?) there were only like 34 incidences of voter fraud. I suppose I could google and find you the story, but I suspect as it uses logic and facts it probably won't agree with your world view.

Torvald Von Mansee
11-07-16, 04:43 AM
About the same as I do when any lying deceptive POS politician speaks. But then I was being redundant.

Right. I'm sure Hillary and Donny lie at precisely the same rate. They're both exactly the same.

Catfish
11-07-16, 05:17 AM
Right. I'm sure Hillary and Donny lie at precisely the same rate. They're both exactly the same.

:hmmm:... :03: :haha:


On topic again.. is there real evidence that "russian hackers" did influence, change or really do something regarding the US election? Or is this a conspiracy, apart from Russia always being the scapegoat for all.
Of course, cyber'war' and eavesdropping get stronger every day, but I guess there was no exterior influence necessary for this .. election, to screw things up as they are?

I mean the article is about "USA strong, with hackers standing by to attack Russia, the wole russian net is being under control and influence of the US". Fine, i guess then no one has to worry.

Oberon
11-07-16, 06:38 AM
:hmmm:... :03: :haha:


On topic again.. is there real evidence that "russian hackers" did influence, change or really do something regarding the US election? Or is this a conspiracy, apart from Russia always being the scapegoat for all.
Of course, cyber'war' and eavesdropping get stronger every day, but I guess there was no exterior influence necessary for this .. election, to screw things up as they are?

I mean the article is about "USA strong, with hackers standing by to attack Russia, the wole russian net is being under control and influence of the US". Fine, i guess then no one has to worry.

Well, we know that the wikileaks Podesta emails were grabbed by Russian hackers, the 'Fancy Bears', who are the same group who hacked olympic medical records after the Russian doping scandal. Now how close the Fancy Bears are to Moscow is up to debate, but certainly they are working in Russias interests and the message out of Moscow at the moment is that if Clinton gets elected then the likelihood of World War Three is raised dramatically. Now, the Podesta emails were definitely influential in the US election, and Trump used them multiple times to attack Hillary with, so there's a less direct but still prejudiced Russian based influence there. If they had also dropped Trump emails then you could make the argument that they are non-biased, but there you go.
As to whether there are indications of direct Russian attempts to influence the election via the hacking of electoral machines, that's a lot less clear, and if I had to guess I'd say that it has been ruled as 'possible' so all this rhetoric is a shot across the bows of Moscow, a sort of 'Don't even try it, comrade'.

Catfish
11-07-16, 08:23 AM
^ Ah yes, already thought it is all about Willy-waving.

August
11-07-16, 11:02 AM
:hmmm:... :03: :haha:


On topic again.. is there real evidence that "russian hackers" did influence, change or really do something regarding the US election? Or is this a conspiracy, apart from Russia always being the scapegoat for all.

None that they have shared publicly. I think it's just a diversion to keep people from concentrating on what the leaked messages say.