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Skybird
10-22-16, 06:57 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/business/internet-problems-attack.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share&_r=3

Still want to have all your money in digital format only, imagining that that is "safe"? Still want to vote over internet? Having your sensible business data in the cloud or on a web-connected device of any kind? Still don't care for your health and profile data beign an open book to anyone wanting to read it?

This recent attack showed a new quality and gives a peek at things to come. The internet of things, as they call it, will come at the cost of security vulnerabilities that simply are too high than to see them as getting compensated by what is gained in lazy comfortability when using it.

Imagine Russia directly hacking into the elections and vote counting in the US. China manipulating vent pressure in North Sea oil field infrastructure. One nation attacking another nation by opening a dam or bringing down air control networks. Consider that the US and Israel already did stuff like that in Iran (Stuxnet). And that Russia does that ost likely in the Ukraine. And that every ally spies on every other ally.

The vulnerability of business and economy to these kinds of attacks, thanks to the internet of things, is a nightmare. And no, they will not "solve" it. In principle there is no solution to it. The internet of things does not leave you with an ill-locked door - it leaves you with the doors not just wide open, but being ripped out and taken away, and a hole in the wall where there once was a door that you could at least try to lock.

Its as if people voluntarily agree to play Russian roulette once a day. There is no solution to the chance of that your next attempt on the next day gets you the bullet. The only solution is to refuse to play, and to refuse to voluntarily raise the weapon to your head and pull the trigger.

When I first heard about the conception of the so-called internet of things years ago , it took me just some seconds to realise the full scale of the potential risks, and I found them to be terrifying. All I thought was "Oh. My. God."

Summer this year some security expert analysed the known events on attacks on and malfunctions of the computer infrastructure of stock exchanges. His institute came to the conclusion that the yearly damage from manipulation and follow-on effects of malfunctions - automatic computer routines taking over due to so-called hyper-trading, and the resulting distortions in stock indices - reach into the high billions. With a chance of that the unknown, black numbers indeed already range beyond the trillion-barrier. Much secrecy there, wanted by econmic monopolists, banks, and national governments. The game must be protected, no matter how much rigged it already is.

I kno that high tech gadgets and all that stuff is fascinating, makes you curious, and attracted, I tick like that myself. But still - be careful what you wish for, guys. And learn to say No more often.

Oberon
10-22-16, 07:42 AM
Imagine Russia directly hacking into the elections and vote counting in the US.

There's concern that they might try to do exactly that in next months, although I don't know how successful they'd be, not sure how well connected the US election system is to the internet.

Anyway, beat you to it Sky:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=228088

Skybird
10-22-16, 07:54 AM
Ah, my fault. I saw it, but neurons got short-cut and I linked the threat title to wrong content.

Oberon
10-22-16, 08:01 AM
The Neurons were DDoS'd :03:

Commander Wallace
10-22-16, 11:32 AM
By knowing this, security measures can be implemented or direct control being in human hands and not managed through electronic means that are easily manipulated.

em2nought
10-22-16, 01:27 PM
My bank, and gov't never asked me if I wanted my data on the internet. I would have answered something like "Duh, NOOOOO!"

mapuc
10-22-16, 01:39 PM
From the days when I lived in Sweden

One day I asked the nurse at the desk, what this curie car was for.

- We use it to send papers from patient to specialist in nearby cities

Ok I said and said then, why don't you use computers

Can be hacked and most of it is sensitive therefore it has to be sent manually. This was back in 2007 and last time I saw this car was in 2009, so I don't know if the town/country i lived in still use this type of car or are using computers today

When I moved to Denmark I was learned EVERYTHING goes via computer and internet.

Said to my Doctor here in Denmark and what if your system get hacked ?

Markus

Skybird
10-22-16, 05:00 PM
Still wishing for a cashless society, anyone? In order "to fight crime"...? :har: :har: :har:

Not to mention that you are an investor if you put money on a bank account - and like any investor you have to accept investor's risk and have to pay for the bank if it blows it up, your money is lost.

Unbelievable how many people still believe this excrement of plunderer propaganda. Scandinavians by vast majority indeed love the idea or forbidding cash money alltogether and being totally vulnerable to banks, state, and data infrastructure, I read time and again. Norway, or was it Sweden, now even has turned cashlessness into a law. Valid from next or seocnd next year on. Using cash money then is VERBOTEN. A paper money prohibition, so to speak.

Maybe we see the result of the fallout from Chernobyl coming into effect. Must have done more damage to the genepool than they admitted in the 80s. :o

If fighting crime, and safety would really be what it is about, all digital banking and digital money must be immediately forbidden and cash-payment must be seen as the only valid tool of payment.

Cashless money systems are the most dangerous money systems of all - in all regards! Internet and digital banking crime already outclasses classical crime where bank notes and coins gets toeln and carried away. Bank robbery today is blossoming. Just that it is no longer conducted at the counter, with pistols, masks, and sacks of banknotes carried away

mapuc
10-22-16, 05:03 PM
Skybird I don't like this cash-less stuff

In the beginning of each month I withdraw the amount I have calculated what I need and some more-Thereafter I pay with cash when I buy something-I don't like others to see what I have bought its not their business.

Markus

Skybird
10-22-16, 05:19 PM
Skybird I don't like this cash-less stuff

In the beginning of each month I withdraw the amount I have calculated what I need and some more-Thereafter I pay with cash when I buy something-I don't like others to see what I have bought its not their business.

Markus
Good! :up:

Me too have removed all my savings from my bank account, I have cancelled my credit card a seocnd time now and this time forever, and I avoid using by banking card at all. I pay cash, and use the bank only when ordering somethign on the web. I do add new internet shops, and reduced those I already use.

Once every three months or so I pay in the ammount needed for the running costs of that time: electricity, telephone, water, heating and so on, all this gets booked automatically. when buying food, clothing, anything - I pay cash. I have no debts. I have signficant savings, but not stored at a bank. I live in my own home, no mortgage. No crime in this area, the district is of moderate wealth. - As a result my credit trustworthiness score - named SchuFa over here - has been reduced. :dead: I probably would have troubles toi find a company willing to sign a cellphone contract with me (if I would want one...).

This modern world is a mental asylum. Some essential things are seriously off balance. Sanity is hard to find these days.

Mr Quatro
10-22-16, 05:22 PM
My bank, and gov't never asked me if I wanted my data on the internet. I would have answered something like "Duh, NOOOOO!"

My bank asked me and I said, "No" so I get snail mail every month, but as for the internet it will only take one big hit before people don't trust it anymore to pay their bills or to have ready money.

That's when they will come out with some kind of internet insurance company that will gurantee your money and other transactions for you for a small $25 a month fee.

The internet is not going to stay a free zone forever. Somebody will tax it or charge for it even if you have wi-fi access.

Takeda Shingen
10-22-16, 08:11 PM
Still wishing for a cashless society, anyone? In order "to fight crime"...? :har: :har: :har:

Not to mention that you are an investor if you put money on a bank account - and like any investor you have to accept investor's risk and have to pay for the bank if it blows it up, your money is lost.

Unbelievable how many people still believe this excrement of plunderer propaganda. Scandinavians by vast majority indeed love the idea or forbidding cash money alltogether and being totally vulnerable to banks, state, and data infrastructure, I read time and again. Norway, or was it Sweden, now even has turned cashlessness into a law. Valid from next or seocnd next year on. Using cash money then is VERBOTEN. A paper money prohibition, so to speak.

Maybe we see the result of the fallout from Chernobyl coming into effect. Must have done more damage to the genepool than they admitted in the 80s. :o

If fighting crime, and safety would really be what it is about, all digital banking and digital money must be immediately forbidden and cash-payment must be seen as the only valid tool of payment.

Cashless money systems are the most dangerous money systems of all - in all regards! Internet and digital banking crime already outclasses classical crime where bank notes and coins gets toeln and carried away. Bank robbery today is blossoming. Just that it is no longer conducted at the counter, with pistols, masks, and sacks of banknotes carried away

Paper money? That's living with your head in the sand. You need to get your earnings in silver as a temporary step. Ultimately, that silver needs to be converted to potable water, which is the only real currency in this world. Then you're set for the devistating end of days ascent of the glorious new future.

Mr Quatro
10-22-16, 09:08 PM
I wonder who did it ... friends of wiki-leeks?

Their leader has been cut off and wants to strike back at the USA for his problems. His money could've used independant contractors who give you the chase areound and then fade back into the wood work.

Friends of WikiLeaks - Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friends_of_WikiLeaks
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Friends of WikiLeaks, sometimes reduced and stylized as FoWL, is a surveillance-resistant social network site of the WikiLeaks. Founded in May 2012, the site ...