View Full Version : The treat from AI: algorithmic blacklisting
Skybird
10-20-16, 10:55 AM
http://www.infoworld.com/article/3131098/artificial-intelligence/at-the-mercy-of-ai-your-job-your-health-your-money.html
I am used to being laughed about and getting linked to the stone age for mentioning the risks of privacy breaches, customer profiling and unlimited, uncritical use of AI technology. Many people got educated from child age on nowadays to always embrace new tech stuff uncritically, since new tech always is good.
Consider that article as another invitation by well-meaning, friendly und patient fate to ring your alarm bells, even if you consider it to be annoying and hit the snooze button as soon as you can. One day, sooner or later, you will reach out - and find that the snooze button is gone, and that your life is heading for a hard crash-impacting on the brutal ground of reality.
So doze on, if you think that is clever.
Catfish
10-20-16, 11:54 AM
I've said this already six years ago here, even this very site fell for this if you remember Google stopped it's adverts here because of two words that were completely unrelated, but picked up somehow.
Connecting dots with algorhythms using metadata have already killed people, if you think of drones. No direct reading of messages necessary any more.
Google, Apple, Microsoft, they are all working on removing our privacy, and we celebrate them as new technology, modern, and hip. I remember political demonstations against giving away data here, now all the world post it openly on facebook.
If i were a thief i'd read FB and when people are out to watch a show etc., but it's not only the official criminals. It's also the perfectly legal companies, like banks, and health insurances a.s.o.. You cannot do anything against it as long as you have a bank account. They will give info about your status to any other bank.
Posted you need a job somewhere? Kiss your credit goodbye, and don't try to ask another bank. Over 60? No credit for you, also you just wrote somewhere your car broke down and you could not afford to fix it this month.
It probably helps millionaires though. If not Trump :O:
Rockstar
10-20-16, 01:21 PM
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6yRx_pRPnog/TTCDHmWkWkI/AAAAAAAABL0/64UH1d0Pleo/s1600/owleyecolor.jpg
Takeda Shingen
10-20-16, 01:27 PM
Has anyone noted the terrible irony of Skybird coming to the internet to tell everybody how terrible the internet is yes? If no, then there is a lot of irony in Skybird using the internet to tell everyone how terrible the internet is.
Jimbuna
10-21-16, 06:17 AM
:ping::ping::ping:
Onkel Neal
10-21-16, 07:22 AM
Enough of the ridiculing someone because they have an opinion different from yours. Once in a while, ok, but every time?
Commander Wallace
10-21-16, 07:23 AM
Has anyone noted the terrible irony of Skybird coming to the internet to tell everybody how terrible the internet is yes? If no, then there is a lot of irony in Skybird using the internet to tell everyone how terrible the internet is.
To be fair, I don't think Skybird is saying the Internet is terrible, He is saying precautions should be taken when using new or relatively new technology. This is great advice for anyone. Security measure are the responsibility of the individual user. If one is happy and comfortable with the security measures they are using, so be it. These facts have been pretty well established by the disclosures of Snowden that spying is alive and well in the U.S and the U.K and probably elsewhere.
One need look no further than news stories of security agencies trying to force apple and others to give them backdoor access to electronic devices including mobile devices like cell phones to know this is true. One would have to live in a cave to not know these facts are true. If Snowden revealed what he knew in an open forum, I'm sure there are others that would have laughed at him too and called his allegations preposterous.
I've said this already six years ago here, even this very site fell for this if you remember Google stopped it's adverts here because of two words that were completely unrelated, but picked up somehow.
Connecting dots with algorhythms using metadata have already killed people, if you think of drones. No direct reading of messages necessary any more.
Google, Apple, Microsoft, they are all working on removing our privacy, and we celebrate them as new technology, modern, and hip. I remember political demonstations against giving away data here, now all the world post it openly on facebook.
If i were a thief i'd read FB and when people are out to watch a show etc., but it's not only the official criminals. It's also the perfectly legal companies, like banks, and health insurances a.s.o.. You cannot do anything against it as long as you have a bank account. They will give info about your status to any other bank.
Posted you need a job somewhere? Kiss your credit goodbye, and don't try to ask another bank. Over 60? No credit for you, also you just wrote somewhere your car broke down and you could not afford to fix it this month.
It probably helps millionaires though. If not Trump :O:
:agree: I couldn't have said it better. Great analogy.
Enough of the ridiculing someone because they have an opinion different from yours. Once in a while, ok, but every time?Everyone's entitled to their own opinion, but when it becomes rather patronizing preaching, are you really surprise that it provokes a negative response?
Onkel Neal
10-21-16, 07:41 AM
Sure, patronizing people will earn a negative response, but it shouldn't be automatic. And let's be fair, there is a lot of gif-trolling here. How hard is it to ignore? Some people have their drum to beat. I say just as long as they don't spam the place, (shrug).
Sure, patronizing people will earn a negative response, but it shouldn't be automatic.I agree, but when it is the same member preaching over and over again, it just becomes automatic. Personally, I did read the article and found it very much doesn't affect mean. So, for me it was just another of Skybird's 'Doom 'n Gloom' threads, hence my short reply.
And let's be fair, there is a lot of gif-trolling here.Sometimes it is easier to convey your feelings over the internet via GIF. How hard is it to ignore?It can be surprisingly hard. :)
Anywhoo, that's my .2 cents.
Nippelspanner
10-21-16, 09:35 AM
I agree with the guy above.
Skybird, it isn't even what you say in general, it is how you say it.
You really can't make a post like that which is the picture perfect example of some bat-poop-crazy tinfoil freak informing everyone about "thy end is nigh!" and then complain that no one takes you serious anymore.
Also, who here said embrace all new tech?
Most people here seem to be well aware that not everything new is automatically just good.
There are reasons I do not use facebook or any other social media, won't spread my real name on the net, not my picture/face etc. etc.
People who do that, frankly, are absolutely naive, stupid - or really just don't know better, which isn't surprising.
However, such a post like your OP isn't helping, it is condescending, generalizing and flat out paranoid.
Sometimes it is easier to convey your feelings over the internet via GIF. It can be surprisingly hard. :)
Quite.
Compare and contrast the following:
1) Writing a detailed blow by blow response taking around half an hour of your time every time the same point is raised or
2) Finding a humorous gif and copying and pasting it, taking around five minutes maximum.
Skybird, it isn't even what you say in general, it is how you say it.
People who do that, frankly, are absolutely naive, stupid - or really just don't know better, which isn't surprising.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/killer-ra/Gifs/ummm.gif
Quite.
Compare and contrast the following:
1) Writing a detailed blow by blow response taking around half an hour of your time every time the same point is raised or
2) Finding a humorous gif and copying and pasting it, taking around five minutes maximum.
http://i.imgur.com/QUO6a8c.gif
Nippelspanner
10-21-16, 10:09 AM
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h204/killer-ra/Gifs/ummm.gif
Stupid, as in knowing the dangers yet ignoring them.
Naive, as in dismissing any evidence for dangers.
Not knowing better, as in just not into that kind of stuff.
Was what I said so bad?
Where you reading Mein Kampf again!? :haha:
Skybird
10-21-16, 10:10 AM
I HAVE been ridiculed before whenever I said something critical about the current modern times trend to uncritically embrace new technology. Have stopped counting some years ago how often I was told I should "just unplug the wire" and "live in a cave".
I knew it would trigger the same autonomous reflex once again when posting that link.
Its just that I do not care anymore.
The article I linked, is a good one, it brings up some valid and not immediately obvious consideration that many people never got aware of until today. Or even actually refuse to consider, due to comfortability or laziness or avoidance behavior.
Thats what it is about, and your mockery does not really reach me. I am not even angry about such things anymore - it just does not reach me anymore. Take and weigh what the author of that article has to say, or move on. The mess described there will not only get you anyway - it already does right now, in these past years while you are ignoring it. Its just that you are not aware.
What the author has to say there, what he tries to make you aware of, stands for itself in argument and observation. Whether you mock me for just delivering the message or not, is not relevant. Not for me, and not for the arguments.
I HAVE been ridiculed before whenever I said something critical about the current modern times trend to uncritically embrace new technology.
See, that's the problem in your delivery. We are all "uncritical" before you tell us how it is. We dont need a preacher.
Stupid, as in knowing the dangers yet ignoring them.
Naive, as in dismissing any evidence for dangers.
Not knowing better, as in just not into that kind of stuff.
Was what I said so bad?
Where you reading Mein Kampf again!? :haha:
Told you guys, it's Das Kapital now...when the liberals come to take away my freedoms I need to at least know the language. :O:
The thing is, there's a give and take relationship with modern technology, you get convenience and interconnectivity but you lose privacy and some security. For some people this is not a problem and it will not negatively effect them in their entire lives, for others it's the end of the world. I think that with every change in technology there will always be those who perceive the negative aspects of it as outweighing the positive ones.
Ultimately though time marches on and those people who you consider stupid and naive will outnumber and outlive you, and will probably consider their relative descendancy to be stupid and naive for using the technology that they do, perhaps full spectrum bio-neural connections which take you to another plane of existence mentally but come with some physical and psychological negative side-effects.
Oh, and if you guys have Netflix, or...other means... :arrgh!:
You should really check out the new series of 'Black Mirror', I have a feeling that it'll be something that you'll enjoy and be terrified at in equal measures. Charlie Brooker and his team really do write some pointed material.
Oh, and if you guys have Netflix, or...other means... :arrgh!:
You should really check out the new series of 'Black Mirror', I have a feeling that it'll be something that you'll enjoy and be terrified at in equal measures. Charlie Brooker and his team really do write some pointed material.
Watched the first 3 eps, it was great. :yep:
Nippelspanner
10-21-16, 11:29 AM
The mess described there will not only get you anyway - it already does right now, in these past years while you are ignoring it. Its just that you are not aware.
Err, I am not "one of them" Sky... :roll:
Err, I am not "one of them" Sky... :roll:
But you're not with him, therefore you're one of them.
http://www.azquotes.com/picture-quotes/quote-every-nation-in-every-region-now-has-a-decision-to-make-either-you-are-with-us-or-you-george-w-bush-4-30-51.jpg
Them unknowns of unknowns of unknowns, thought.
What we REALLY know? :doh:
On a cyber-security note, a massive DDoS attack seems to be screwing up the US East Coast internet...pretty impressive stuff, wonder who's doing it?
https://www.wired.com/2016/10/internet-outage-ddos-dns-dyn/?mbid=social_twitter
Onkel Neal
10-29-16, 02:55 PM
I thought of you when I saw this video :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VASywEuqFd8
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