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Skybird
10-04-16, 03:28 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-yahoo-nsa-exclusive-idUSKCN1241YT



Yahoo Inc last year secretly built a custom software program to search all of its customers' incoming emails for specific information provided by U.S. intelligence officials, according to people familiar with the matter.


The company complied with a classified U.S. government directive, scanning hundreds of millions of Yahoo Mail accounts at the behest of the National Security Agency or FBI, said two former employees and a third person apprised of the events.


Some surveillance experts said this represents the first case to surface of a U.S. Internet company agreeing to a spy agency's demand by searching all arriving messages, as opposed to examining stored messages or scanning a small number of accounts in real time.

I say you can take it for granted that Google, Microsoft and others do the same.

US laws by now are such, as I see it, that American companies cannot avoid to fully obey demands by the intel and security apparatus. Which makes such companies extended arms of the US intel network.

I would not be surprised to learn one day that the aggressiveness by which Micorsoft tries to enforce access to W7 and W8 systems in order to install W10 - which opens tremendous spying and security breaches on such platforms that the user can no longer fully counter - is due to secret orders by the NSA as well. It is a confirmed and even announced policy that the NSA wants to have access to EVERY single computer unit on this planet. That thexy hardfcode backdoors into hardware drivers stored on RAM modules or enforce backdoors in operation systems, then is just a logical step. That W7 also got reverse-installed W10 snoopware technology and profiling software installed via regular Windows Updates, matches this.

"Store it in the cloud", eh? :har: Not even over my cold dead body, darling. Companies and users doing that, are so stupid and naive that they almost deserve to get hit by something malicious.

Recent tests thy ran over here of email services, have devastated all American-based services, with GMX leading the list of shame. All American services failed even most elemental security procedures. No doubt that European altenrtaives are under attack by the NSA, but at least legally they do not fall under US jurisdiction. The mnost popular email service on the planet, is GMX. It is also the most unsafe and compromised one. I have told all my remaining former email contacts running over GMX that I refuse to accept or reply to email accounts of theirs that are based in America.

I know people in overseas, who have to be concerned about their safety and anonymity, who even refuse to communicate over encrypted email clients and via TOR. TOR most likely has been hacked, and it is too dangerous to trust on it any longer if your safety or life depends on it.

If for any reason you have sensitive data to store, or need to communicate but need to be concerned for safety, stay away from electronics. Internet, computers, cellphones - its all a big No-Go. Stay physically disconnected. Not software-controlled and software-blocked - but PHYSICALLY DISCONNECTED. No wire and no electromagnetic wave transmitter.

Thanks to modern computer capacities and automatization you must assume, always, that EVERY communication over phone, wire, internet, gets listened into, gets automatically scanned and filted and searched for for triggers, gets recorded, stored and saved forever.

The last thing should really worry you.

Laws are meaningless here.

Betonov
10-04-16, 03:32 PM
I'm so inclined to send an email ''that party was the BOMB, like a JIHAD on alchohol. Hooked up with some girl named COMMIE, or was it Connie. The drinking really got into high gear when we were SNOWDEN it''

And put some midget gay porn in the attachment labeled ''white house floor plan''


If you can't beat them, troll them.

Jimbuna
10-04-16, 03:48 PM
^They got Bin Laden in the middle of the night so you might want to practice sleeping with one eye open :03:

Catfish
10-04-16, 03:57 PM
^ as said before, when it comes to "defending" "peace", and "fighting terrorism", there is no law. But then it is all for your own good, says BB. :arrgh!:

Rockstar
10-04-16, 03:57 PM
I know google is the official email service provider for the U.S. department of interior not sure about other departments or organizations.

I dont use email much for anything these days other than to have an address for internet shopping orders. If I do send personal correspondence its via proton mail. Even so who knows for sure if they're all what they claim to be.

Oberon
10-04-16, 05:11 PM
It's the only way to get those pesky Muslims, got to watch them all like hawks, and anyone who might be near them, and anyone near them.

Rockstar
10-04-16, 05:58 PM
Its not just pesky individuals and groups from the religion of peace.

The U.S. government and I'd bet every government, has always attempted to regulate and listen in on radio television communications of its people. Back in the day off shore stations were I think pretty easy to pin point and only a handful of the population had the equipment to instantly express ideas with someone in Germany, Slovenia or the U.K. But with the advent of the world wide web every thing has changed. Almost everyone has instant access to somone on the otherside of the world. If you ask me subversive individuals and groups have taken advantage of this a long time ago. Governments on the otherhand are playing catch-up to the times and need to work with private companies to do what they did before the internet.

Its nothing new, if we dont like it then just unplug. But we need to realize that there are people and groups out there who wish to do us harm and take away what we have.

Rhodes
10-04-16, 06:26 PM
Lovely, my porn stuff e-mail is in yahoo.co.uk. :shifty:

kraznyi_oktjabr
10-05-16, 03:17 AM
Lovely, my porn stuff e-mail is in yahoo.co.uk. :shifty:Does your wife work in NSA? :O:



(Sorry, couldn't resist... :oops:)

Catfish
10-05-16, 03:29 AM
It's the only way to get those pesky Muslims, got to watch them all like hawks, and anyone who might be near them, and anyone near them.

From you, this sounds somehow.. wrong :03:
Also, there are so much muslims in the world (far more than christians) that they have to plaster the USA with NSA eavesdropping facilities, to keep up with the chatter.
They have algorythms for that though, and you can now be killed just based on your metadata.
General Michael Hayden, a former director of both the CIA and the NSA, said this: “We kill people based on metadata”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/feb/21/death-from-above-nia-csa-skynet-algorithm-drones-pakistan
At least outside of the US. But they work on that, too.

Listening is necessary of course, however how often has this really worked, in the past?
On one hand the secret services can tell "not more attacks because we listened", but on the other hand you can also say "why didn't that work in the past, regarding all what happened ?"
We have no real intel about whether they really prevented anything, and what of it can be related to eavesdropping, if at all.

Of course, the only logical thing then is to listen more, and more detailed.. not nice but they think it's necessary.

Von Due
10-05-16, 05:23 AM
One thing that is often overlooked is that intelligence services are in the job for another reason than to monitor armed enemies. They are monitoring foreign businesses as well, to give their own Govt (and sometimes foreign customers, or domestic businesses, if the agency sees that as a good idea) an upper hand in international trade. For that, having access to emails is just what they want. Mind you, heavy interests, as well as criminal organizations, terror groups, foreign Govt's, big corperations involved in big money deals etc, tend to have their email heavily encrypted but ever so often that one piece of email goes out unencrypted.
Then of course, you have the dunderheads who have no idea their emails and phones are subject to automatic tagging and investigation if words or phrases of interest are included in the conversation. They are a gold mine for the agencies.

It doesn't surprise me one bit Yahoo gave the CIA the key to the back door, it would surprise me to the point of me being utterly confused if it turned out not all big email providers are in some deal or another with their favourite agency.

Still, just because it rhymes: Yahoo! Yahoo! You big wazoo!

Skybird
10-05-16, 05:48 AM
Also worth to mention that two or three years ago I read that these ominous secret courts in the US can threatend representatives of copnaies with up to 5 years in prison if they reveal to the public that they have to cooperate with intel networks.

This should not be forgotten when some top manager or CEO, like in the past happened, swears holy oaths that his company has refused to obey such demands or had not received any such demands . Statements like this are totally uncredible and untrustworthy.

Some years ago the back-then chief of the CIA or NSA had to admit that until then the monumental sdecurity law and snooping operations that were started in the wake of 9/11, so far and untiol then ha dnot led to s single related terror strike against the US being prevented due to these huge efforts.

Never trust a government. Especially not your own. NEVER.

Oberon
10-05-16, 05:50 AM
One thing that is often overlooked is that intelligence services are in the job for another reason than to monitor armed enemies. They are monitoring foreign businesses as well

This is true and not just for business espionage, foreign business can also be used as a vector for espionage just as embassies are often used as bases for intelligence gathering operations.

From you, this sounds somehow.. wrong :03:


I have no idea what you're talking about. :O:

Rhodes
10-05-16, 10:18 AM
Does your wife work in NSA? :O:



(Sorry, couldn't resist... :oops:)
I don't have a wife! :D
:O::yeah: