View Full Version : I start to HATE living in Germany
Nippelspanner
06-04-16, 04:27 PM
Now. Those here who know me, know that I am everything but a patriot or nationalist etc.
However, the recent wave of PC-Gutmenschen (political correct 'good-humans) in Germany is really... getting out of control.
I just found this in an article:
http://static1.notesofberlin.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/e299.jpg
Rough Translation:
Dear Driver (male)
Dear Driver (female)
I removed your Germany-flag.
Whatever motivation you had to put it up in the first place, doesn't matter.
It produces, in any case, nationalism!
No?
Yes!
This flag doesn't stand for football, nor any team, it stands for the German identity.
Save yourself the money, us the work, and the nature the garbage and do not replace the flag wit a new one, BECAUSE: (Here it ends...meh)
Seriously. What the Frankfurter!?
This PISSES me off so much, I fail to put it in words.
No matter what you do, where you go, who you talk with, it is always either about nationalism (or so called...), about racism (or so called...), about evil all destroying migrants or... GENDER related BS!
WTF is wrong these days?
What is actually going on?
Has everyone lost his mind?
Germany was a cozy, really nifty place where you could lead a good life.
This is changing and people become brainless SJW's who try to dictate your way of life more and more.
Please:
https://pics.onsizzle.com/Facebook-%C2%B7-d56d4e.png
/rant :shifty:
Sailor Steve
06-04-16, 04:56 PM
Brother, I feel your pain.
I believe in humanity, and I believe in respecting other people's choices. That said, this brings up the question of who gets to offend who? You don't get to express your beliefs because they might offend someone else? It's fine for them to feel that way, but that makes it okay to destroy or steal your property because it offends them? I don't think so.
Even Correctotron cannot fathom this one. Sure, nationalists do love their flags, but a flag is a flag, it's an item, it's rare that a flag kills someone or commits a heinous crime.
Same thing with guns really, not trying to drag this thread off-topic, or any inanimate object, the problem is peoples reactions to it.
Perhaps they should replace it with the flag of Pakistan, see if they get a mass-produced note then... :hmmm:
Nippelspanner
06-04-16, 05:12 PM
Brother, I feel your pain.
Even Correctotron cannot fathom this one.
This is really good to read, my blood pressure is going down a little.
You have just been EU'ed. :03:
Put up the EU Flag and they will leave you a large sum of money to spend. :shifty: :)
Skybird
06-04-16, 05:15 PM
Meine Fresse.
https://wanderlysh.files.wordpress.com/2014/05/1ad1804ccb2cc9d9b75206909660f1353c2ed9cb1d7ea23f35 8bdedc70fa2cb9.jpg
Needing to share time and space with these bigot zealots, becomes more repugnant with every year passing. In Germany, this phenomenon is a damn plague.
That story made me mad.
A persons love to his or her countries flag is not directly hate to wards other type of people or countries.
I'm out of words
Markus
That story made me mad.
A persons love to his or her countries flag is not directly hate to wards other type of people or countries.
I'm out of words
Markus
Well then have a pint of beer. :)
Nippelspanner, it happens here in the UK and in most cases the St George's flag really sets off some people like firecrackers.
Skybird
06-04-16, 05:41 PM
For Nippelspanner (and all who understand German):
http://www.achgut.com/artikel/fussball_europameisterschaft_mehr_willkommenskultu r_fuer_gegnerische_tore
(BTW, "Autofahrerin" in English possibly would be "car driveress", I assume :huh: ).
Well then have a pint of beer. :)
Nippelspanner, it happens here in the UK and in most cases the St George's flag really sets off some people like firecrackers.
I don't dring beer(I only take a litte nip to taste it) or alcohol for that sake.
A person has no right to remove another persons flag-in this case from his or her car.
The only person who can remove a persons flag is the police-If you have violated the countries laws around its flag.
In Sweden and Denmark it is forbidden to paint on the flag-Stil the police does nothing when a countries supporters walk down the street with their countries flag with the countries name written on it.
Does this make me mad ? No its another type of love this their country.
Markus
Torplexed
06-04-16, 06:07 PM
Busybodies as they call them here. Some days it seems like the world is full of bored solutions desperately looking for problems to solve.
https://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2016/02/social-justice-warriors-fails-idiots-6.jpg?quality=85&strip=info&w=600
Nippelspanner
06-04-16, 06:07 PM
For Nippelspanner (and all who understand German):
http://www.achgut.com/artikel/fussball_europameisterschaft_mehr_willkommenskultu r_fuer_gegnerische_tore
(BTW, "Autofahrerin" in English possibly would be "car driveress", I assume :huh: ).
Bookmarked for later. Right now I'm enjoying Jagged Alliance 2 - a game from a less ridiculous time period. :)
Schroeder
06-05-16, 01:02 AM
@Nippelspanner
I would go to the police. That person actually stole property.
Man, it's getting ridiculous with the Gutmenschen. That's also what drives people towards the AfD idiots.:nope:
Jimbuna
06-05-16, 07:10 AM
Busybodies as they call them here. Some days it seems like the world is full of bored solutions desperately looking for problems to solve.
@Nippelspanner
I would go to the police. That person actually stole property.
Man, it's getting ridiculous with the Gutmenschen. That's also what drives people towards the AfD idiots.:nope:
Rgr that :yep:
Schroeder
06-05-16, 10:02 AM
I just did a little bit of research regarding the picture to figure out whether it's fake or not and it seems that that picture is already a couple of years old.
Here is a (German) article about it from 2014: http://www.mimikama.at/allgemein/fahne-am-auto-du-bist-frderer-von-nationalsozialismus/
It also seems to be the only picture that ever comes up regarding that topic so it might be fake.
Nippelspanner
06-05-16, 01:44 PM
I just did a little bit of research regarding the picture to figure out whether it's fake or not and it seems that that picture is already a couple of years old.
Here is a (German) article about it from 2014: http://www.mimikama.at/allgemein/fahne-am-auto-du-bist-frderer-von-nationalsozialismus/
It also seems to be the only picture that ever comes up regarding that topic so it might be fake.
Let's hope so.
Eh, in this day and age such things are easily manufactured, sadly because of the fact that such stupid incidents do occur with varying frequency. Thus, since such attention is drawn to these incidents and also to the possible fakes then a misleading perception of their frequency is given by the media. Still, such things can and do happen, and how often they do is often in the eye of the beholder.
In short, take all things with a truck of salt, especially if it's on the internet or in a newspaper. :O:
Schroeder
06-05-16, 02:55 PM
In short, take all things with a truck of salt,
Lorry of salt. You are a Brit.:know:
:O:
It's about flags
So here are two stories from my life.
The first is from the days in the Swedish Navy-I got two main job Postman-getting and deliver post to and from the ship.
My second job was as a Flagman-My job was to Hoist and haul the flag in the morning and in the evening. When I was assigned to this job I got a book to read about rules to obey regarding the flag etc.
Remember -If the ship is sinking by accident or by enemy fire-the flag has to bee hauled before the last man has left the ship
Many many years later I was in my neighbor town to make some business. On my way back I saw a young lad hauling some Swedish flags after he had taken them down and removed the ropes-He threw them into the ground(dirt) I walked over to him and said to him in a nice manner
Me: Are you aware of what you are doing is against the law
His reply:-What ??
Me-You are throwing the flags into the ground and thats illegal by the law
His reply: Who gives a( he saud a word which is not allowed here)
Me: The police if the come by and are in a bad mood, the could arrest you for having shown disrespect for the flag. If they are in a good mood they will say to you-Don't throw the flag on the ground.
I Knew by the time in the Navy that showing disrespect for the flang could give was it 5 or 10 years in prison. I my self wouldn't though, throw a flag into the ground
I respect the flag as I respect every countries flag.
I don't know if those law still exist.
Tchocky
06-06-16, 06:27 AM
Eh, it's a silly sticker and like Schroeder said there's a decent chance it's fake.
Nothing to get that worked up about.
Needing to share time and space with these bigot zealots, becomes more repugnant with every year passing. In Germany, this phenomenon is a damn plague.
You'll never guess who you're starting to remind me of.
:roll::roll:
You'll never guess who you're starting to remind me of.
:roll::roll:
Is it Gandhi? :O:
Betonov
06-06-16, 09:38 AM
Problem is that we give these crackpots power by recognising them and not ignoring them.
You got 10 ''social justice warriors'' in a population of a couple of million pulling some dumb stunt, the thing goes viral, some closet crackpots get brave enough to speak out, suddenly you get a movement, politicians smell votes and laws change.
Nippelspanner
06-06-16, 11:40 AM
Eh, it's a silly sticker and like Schroeder said there's a decent chance it's fake.
Nothing to get that worked up about.
You didn't read the original post completely, did you?
The problem is the summary and the frequency, not this one incident.
Problem is that we give these crackpots power by recognising them and not ignoring them.
You got 10 ''social justice warriors'' in a population of a couple of million pulling some dumb stunt, the thing goes viral, some closet crackpots get brave enough to speak out, suddenly you get a movement, politicians smell votes and laws change.
Everyone has the ability to have their fifteen minutes of fame these days thanks to the interwebs.
Skybird
06-06-16, 02:15 PM
Old or new event, fake or true - in the end it does not matter in that it is nevertheless illustrating for many comparably stupid symptoms and events, and the general Zeitgeist, here in Germany. There is a lot of self-denial amongst Germans, and flags have been ripped off cars at past football events for sure, by lefties, anarchists and/or anti-fascist "protest" groups.
The stickers with stupid comments that get bashed onto house doors and car windscreens not even mentioned. Things over here are such that even if the picture is a fake - you could take it as an illustration of today's reality here.
Schroeder
06-06-16, 02:30 PM
^I'm not so certain after all we've finally gotten to a point where we are putting flags on our cars during football tournaments which is something I don't remember from 20 years ago so maybe we're actually getting a bit of <gasp> national pride back.:o
Skybird
06-06-16, 05:52 PM
^I'm not so certain after all we've finally gotten to a point where we are putting flags on our cars during football tournaments which is something I don't remember from 20 years ago so maybe we're actually getting a bit of <gasp> national pride back.:o
Means little more than just carnival. Before it and right after it we will once again lament how nationalistic we are, and that the EU is the way to go and that historically grown feelings of identity are nationalism and thus evil, and we will tell each other how important it is to not be nationalistic and to welcome the foreigner and to not dominate Europe and to not lecture guests about German, and bla and bla and blablabla.
Hypocrisy.
Read that gloss I linked Nippelspanner to. There is quite some truth in it.
Spring last year the 14 or 15 year old daughter of friends of mine received a warning from the school director for attending some organised school sports event with German, Dutch and Belgian school kids (sports tournament or something like that) with a tiny German paper flag, and she had hand-written on the yellow bar at the bottom of the flag: "... und stolz darauf!" (means: "German - and proud of it!" ).
Verboten. Gemans are expected to not be proud, but shedding ashes on their head, admitting their badness and that everything in the world is their fault, their responsibility.
I don'T care whether AfD and Pegida can be excused, becasue I do not care for both. But their raise certainly can be explained. Dirty old man Thilo Sarrazin just added some reflections on that in an essay in the FAZ yesterday: (IN GERMAN) - http://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/wirtschaftspolitik/gastbeitrag-betrachtungen-zur-populismus-debatte-14250991.html?printPagedArticle=true#pageIndex_2
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ckctc3NWEAAJhlu.jpg:large
https://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/12174738.jpg
HunterICX
06-09-16, 09:45 AM
You Brits teaching them how to cross the channel properly?
:O:
Jimbuna
06-09-16, 09:54 AM
You Brits teaching them how to cross the channel properly?
:O:
LOL :)
Nippelspanner
06-09-16, 01:12 PM
You Brits teaching them how to cross the channel properly?
:O:
Well, we had our difficulties with that before... :shifty:
Schroeder
06-09-16, 01:51 PM
Well, we had our difficulties with that before... :shifty:
Shhhhh....there is a tunnel now.....;)
Nippelspanner
06-09-16, 01:56 PM
Shhhhh....there is a tunnel now.....;)
Why shh? I mean what could we send through it?
A handful of Leopards with undertrained crews, the few we still have?
Maybe 2-3 Tornados who won't drop anything that hurts anyways?
We can't even scare the Brits anymore, tunnel or not.
Dark times my German brother, dark times! :nope:
Edit: Pic related...
http://i.imgur.com/gsMC0k1.png
(United Kingdom surrendered after invading them with Fallschirmjäger)
Could be worse, could be worse...
http://i.imgur.com/jgeaMms.jpg
Why shh? I mean what could we send through it?
The one weapon you still have....
...immigrants. :O:
Platapus
06-09-16, 04:17 PM
One American's viewpoint...
I believe that someone should be able to do what every they want with a flag they own. Every citizen has the right to disrespect their own flag. There is nothing that someone can do to their flag that would in any way change how I feel about my country. I may not like what they do to their flag, but I fought for their right to do it.
But it has to be their flag. As soon as you mess with a flag owned by someone else it is theft/vandalism and should not be tolerated.
I am glad that we don't have criminal laws about disrespecting the flag. I would fight any attempt to criminalize it too.
Sailor Steve
06-09-16, 04:29 PM
:sign_yeah:
I agree 100%.
Nippelspanner
06-09-16, 04:49 PM
One American's viewpoint...
I believe that someone should be able to do what every they want with a flag they own. Every citizen has the right to disrespect their own flag.
I could not agree more.
It is a flag. A thing. I fail to see why, in some countries, I could face legal consequences for "disrespecting" it besides hysterical "feels over facts/logic" issues, which seem to be trendy now anyways.
In the end, that would mean that I am forced to agree with everything my countries flag stands for, not being allowed to "disrespect" the object I mean. That I am not allowed to think for myself, or believe what I want. In other words: That is fascism. :yep:
Of course - it must be my property, that is out of question.
Skybird
06-11-16, 12:03 PM
This is no fake for sure. It's real, and its actual. From the Green Party's youth organization.
http://www.focus.de/politik/videos/patriotismus-nationalismus-gruene-jugend-ruft-zum-deutschland-fahnen-boykott-auf-user-reagieren-mit-wut_id_5620121.html
http://p5.focus.de/img/fotos/crop5620160/9091339417-cfreecrop_21_9-w1280-h720-otx0_y0-q75-p5/teaserbild-gruene-jugend.jpg
^ : "We call all football fans to leave no space for nationalistic ideas! Patriotism = Nationalism! Football fans: down with your flags!"
Strange, and here I lived with this older definition of the difference between nationalism and patriotism: "Patriotism is love for thy people. Nationalism is hate against the other people."
If, like the political left, has a declared mission to unite or prolatarians of the globe and to replace all ethnic, cultural, regional differences and identity with just one socialist sense of collectivism, than one cannot afford that formula anymore, of course, for it implies that own people and other people nevertheless are different, were they want us all to be just one people, all equal, freatueless and all the same grinning on all faces under the socialist sun. Such differences shall not be. Like today genderists deny that there are biological differences between men and women, and transagers reject that age is a biological fact, but can randomly be declared - like you can also randomly chose today any of the almost five dozen differen sexual orientations and sexual identities that you get presented by FB.
Welcome in the psychiatry hospital. Enjoy the football match. There are no two teams, just one. Its not men, nor women playing - just humans. There is no ball, just peace. There are no scores, since no goals get achieved. We are all equal. :yeah: And if we want it, we all can be of the same age!
Article says that the Greens take a ****storm currently. It seems there are still some renitent renegates that are not as equal as thy should be.
Exactly, clear off, burning down France is our job now. Can't have these Germans and Muslims getting in on our act. :nope:
^ : "We call all football fans to leave no space for nationalistic ideas! Patriotism = Nationalism! Football fans: down with your flags!"
Says the group who has their own flag:
https://gruene-jugend.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/12771941_972665612768594_6392035534722950108_o-1-713x486.jpg
What makes theirs any better than the German National Flag?
It's got a hedgehog on it. :O:
It's got a hedgehog on it. :O:g
But an angry one...
Nothing angry about the German tricolor though Kinda warm even. :hmmm:
Betonov
06-11-16, 02:59 PM
An angry hedgeghog wasn't carried into battle by the Kaisers and Hitlers soldiers.
Just like the currrent German flag
WW1, war
http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/callofduty/images/d/d6/Flag_of_Imperial_Germany.png/revision/latest?cb=20131207223755
WW2, war
http://www.germaniainternational.com/Images4/TatteredReichskriegsFlag-02.jpg
Today, 70 years of peace
http://actionsites.com/stores/flags/Germany.gif
Why do these morons even get airtime, half the problems would not need to be solved if it weren't for the media morons :/\\!!
An angry hedgeghog wasn't carried into battle by the Kaisers and Hitlers soldiers.
No their hogs were quite happy.
U-672 Insignia
http://uboat.net/media/boats/emblems/u672.gif
Betonov
06-11-16, 04:52 PM
I can't imagine happy hogs in Germany.
Even vegan menus have pork in them :)
This problem isn't just raring its head in Germany, it's here in Sweden as well. Especially after the migrant crisis. The flaws in our systems are being laid bare and the government has been forced to implement a lot of actions they described as massively racist when a certain other Swedish party suggested them years before. Now it's no longer a case of sugarcoating the truth, it's increasingly becoming a competition in denial of reality while our oppositional parties criticises but refuses to act. I'm becoming ever more cynical and tired of our ruling class and their unwillingness to act for the country and continuously use the best interest of the party as their guiding star. I've just about had it with the "Gutmenschen" myself. They have no idea what kind of suffering and misery they cause just to get that warm fuzzy feeling in their guts. The EU is marching on a very uncertain path, that's for sure.
Skybird
06-12-16, 07:51 AM
Especially after the migrant crisis.
"After"...?
The EU is marching on a very uncertain path, that's for sure.I would say it is a very certain and obvious path - towards most unpleasant outcomes, however.
I know, or at least believe to know, what you mean. Sweden, or better: Swedish politics, have me scratching my head since many years.
"After"...?
I would say it is a very certain and obvious path - towards most unpleasant outcomes, however.
I know, or at least believe to know, what you mean. Sweden, or better: Swedish politics, have me scratching my head since many years.
True, we're still in it to be sure. In this case I referred to when the volumes were at their peak. They're still high, and it will be interesting to see what happens over the Summer.
I'm scratching my head as well. I have no idea where we are going as a country, but I certainly have well grounded fears.
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 07:35 AM
No matter what you do, where you go, who you talk with, it is always either about nationalism (or so called...), about racism (or so called...), about evil all destroying migrants or... GENDER related BS!
WTF is wrong these days?
What is actually going on?
Has everyone lost his mind?
Germany was a cozy, really nifty place where you could lead a good life.
This is changing and people become brainless SJW's who try to dictate your way of life more and more.
Fixed
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 07:48 AM
Fixed
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 08:09 AM
And the most idiotic thing is that you must be PC and thinking in dimensions of national interest is almost a thought-crime because you must be a good European. :o
Pity. Poor Germans.
Fixed
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 08:43 AM
Ah, look. Subsim's resident Nazi resurfaced.
Skybird
06-15-16, 08:54 AM
Nationalism IS hate - against the others.
Patriotism is love for one's own people.
Its just that not all what today gets opportunistically called nationalism, really is nationalism.
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 08:59 AM
Nationalism IS hate - against the others.
Fixed
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 09:00 AM
Nationalism IS hate - against the others.
No it's really not.
Every definition I ever read doesn't say anything about hate. The most extreme definition I found mentioned a feeling of superiority - but just because one thinks he is better than someone else doesn't mean he hates them, does it?
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 09:01 AM
Ah, look. Subsim's resident Nazi resurfaced.
No it's really not.
Every definition I ever read doesn't say anything about hate. The most extreme definition I found mentioned a feeling of superiority - but just because one thinks he is better than someone else doesn't mean he hates them, does it?
Fixed
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 09:02 AM
I only stated a fact, didn't I?
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 09:04 AM
I only stated a fact, didn't I?
Fixed
Skybird
06-15-16, 09:07 AM
No it's really not.
Every definition I ever read doesn't say anything about hate. The most extreme definition I found mentioned a feeling of superiority - but just because one thinks he is better than someone else doesn't mean he hates them, does it?
http://www.leicabiosystems.com/histology-equipment/microtomes/
Always handy when wanting to split hairs. :)
"Le patriotisme, c'est l'amour des siens. Le nationalisme, c'est la haine des autres." - Romain Gary
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 09:07 AM
Yeah because the term is totally up for interpretation, isn't it. :shifty:
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 09:09 AM
http://www.leicabiosystems.com/histology-equipment/microtomes/
Always handy when wanting to split hairs. :)
"Le patriotisme, c'est l'amour des siens. Le nationalisme, c'est la haine des autres." - Romain Gary
Splitting hairs?
I'd really argue that "hate" is quite different from "I'm better than you". :hmmm:
And I prefer Zeiss!
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 09:10 AM
"Le patriotisme, c'est l'amour des siens. Le nationalisme, c'est la haine des autres." - Romain Gary
Fixed
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 09:11 AM
I could quote you from that holocaust-denial thread. Plenty of material.
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 09:15 AM
I could quote you from that holocaust-denial thread. Plenty of material.
Fixed
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 09:21 AM
Oyvey...
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 09:27 AM
Fixed
They did.It does not.]Depends on time and place.
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 09:41 AM
Depends on time and place.
Fixed
But not nearly as many as the evil nazi criminals who deliberately rounded up and exterminated over 6 million civilians or the Japanese Imperialists whose actions in Nanking brought barbarity to a new level.
Any group of humans will contain some who will do evil things given a chance but the people you make excuses for made evil an official government policy. Apples and oranges.
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 09:56 AM
But not nearly as many as the evil nazi criminals who deliberately rounded up and exterminated over 6 million civilians
Indeed, the Allies invented this story to excuse their own crimes after the war. They never believed to it during the war ... But a final fact condemns them definitively : the others' crimes don't excuse your own crimes ...
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 09:57 AM
*grabs Erdnusslocken* :woot:
The evidence is in the countless documents, letters, construction plans, equipment orders and witness testimonies.
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 10:01 AM
The evidence is in the countless documents, letters, construction plans, equipment orders and witness testimonies.
... and mountains of bodies.
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 10:07 AM
The evidence is in the countless documents, letters, construction plans, equipment orders and witness testimonies.
... and mountains of bodies.
Fixed
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 10:09 AM
Since you are the master of imagination, you must know.
Err... Dresden = Holocaust OK? :hmmm:
Fahnenbohn
06-15-16, 10:12 AM
Err... Dresden = Holocaust OK? :hmmm:
Fixed
Nippelspanner
06-15-16, 10:13 AM
Genuine question: Are you stoned?
Jimbuna
06-15-16, 10:15 AM
We have been down this road before.
No more if you'd be so kind.
Jimbuna
06-16-16, 05:10 AM
I've reopened the thread at the request of the thread creator after having made the necessary alterations but unfortunately an unavoidable consequence is the fact some of the edited posts no longer make much sense.
Should any of the post originators feel the need they can delete their posts or alternatively they can PM me a link to said post and I will erase them permanently.
Allow me to apologise publicly for any inconvenience this may cause individuals but there was little choice because of some of the post content.
Finally....can we stay on topic and not stray beyond the boundaries of the forum rules.
TIA
Truth be told Jim, they didn't make much sense to begin with. :03:
Anyway, back to the subject at hand. I must admit, I've always liked the war ensign of the Kaiserliche Marine, the whole eagle and black cross on white, really rather stylish. :yep:
Lower Saxony has a nice flag too, reminds me a lot of the emblem of the county of Kent in the UK, 'Invicta' it's called (which is quite ironic considering whenever England has been invaded in the past, it's nearly always Kent which cops it first...so I'm not so sure when 'unconquered' comes from because it sure isn't history...).
Out of the original German states though...it's got to be Prussia every time. :yep:
EDIT: Also you missed post #73. :03:
Jimbuna
06-16-16, 07:24 AM
EDIT: Also you missed post #73. :03:
#73 was left to explain the justification for the remedial action taken.
Betonov
06-16-16, 08:21 AM
There are two of his and one of mine on the funny picture thread that could be deleted. You'll see them.
Jimbuna
06-16-16, 10:06 AM
I'm not overly concerned there Anze, they're more or less what I would expect from him and besides, he won't be around anymore.
We all move on now.
Nippelspanner
06-17-16, 10:58 AM
Kill it with fire before it spreads.
Von Due
06-17-16, 11:02 AM
Can we keep this topic from being closed again? I would appreciate that. The topic does raise some important questions and gettting it closed is not going to move the questions towards any answers, if there are any.
EDIT: This was to the posts above Nippelspanner's.
Nippelspanner
06-17-16, 11:03 AM
Can we keep this topic from being closed again? I would appreciate that. The topic does raise some important questions and gettting it closed is not going to move the questions towards any answers, if there are any.
EDIT: This was to the posts above Nipplespanner's.
I agree and asked Jimbuna to re-open it after it got closed due to our ex-resident Nazi's actions.
A thread should not be punished because of some... lost person.
Skybird
06-17-16, 11:04 AM
Zero tolerance for Nazis. Don't brig them - nuke them on first sight.
Its not a compliment for a forum if administration tolerates them to be around, once identified. Just saying.
Von Due
06-17-16, 11:15 AM
Zero tolerance for Nazis. Don't brig it - nuke it on first sight.
While I agree, I also see that it's that thought that, when taken to the extremely silly and mindless, will lead to people thinking a flag can only be a symbol of all things nasty.
Personally, I don't care for flags. I don't have any and I don't plan on getting one. I do however appreciate the happy faces on people when they wave their flags when their teams play the tournies, or they go on holidays with a flag on their tshirt or hat or whatever.
Years ago I talked with this Swedish girl. She said she was ashamed of waving her flag because of the way the Swedish far right extremists/nazis had claimed it as their own, leading to good people suspecting everyone showing off the blue and yellow colours. It pissed me off to no end to hear that. No, I don't need a flag but damn if you want to have a flag on your constitution day, or when your team is playing or whatever, if you want a flag on your car, then you should have all the rights to do it.
This topic reminds me of that.
I best end here or else I speak my mind about what I think of extremists and that is not going to end well.
I best end here or else I speak my mind about what I think of extremists and that is not going to end well.
Is a Nazi classified as an extremist? I would personally make that classification, but I guess it depends on what the definition of extremism is, and whereabouts you draw the line on it.
Is wishing death on someone or some section of society an act of extremism? Or is it idle internet tough guy talk?
Recent events in the UK have shown that for some the power of words can be quite terrible, and certainly I think there may be a need for people to consider that when they type or speak.
Cause and effect. :hmmm:
Von Due
06-17-16, 10:09 PM
Is a Nazi classified as an extremist? I would personally make that classification, but I guess it depends on what the definition of extremism is, and whereabouts you draw the line on it.
Is wishing death on someone or some section of society an act of extremism? Or is it idle internet tough guy talk?
Recent events in the UK have shown that for some the power of words can be quite terrible, and certainly I think there may be a need for people to consider that when they type or speak.
Cause and effect. :hmmm:
A nazi is an extremist in every sense of the word as far as I see it, as is any who promote hate speech of any sort. Extremism in thoughts and ideals is still extremism. The word is about the thought behind the word, the message the sender wants to deliver. A word in itself is as innocent as a newborn, ideas behind the word, the message the word sends, can be as extreme as anything.
An internet warrior punching his keyboard with caps lock on, is he an extremist? Depends on the real thought and real message behind the words. It can be extremism, it can be just another sad sod with no idea at all. Easy to tell which? Not at all. Quite difficult, rather if not just plain impossible at times.
The power of the word is indeed there and that is why it is important to expose whoever it is who spread really, really nasty ideas or just plain hateful and destructive ideas. Take this topic to the general terrorism thread and the power of the word has absolutely its place in that thread. To give anyone behind words of hate a green card, to cover for them, protect them from critisism, whoever they are, is the quickest road to the next terror attack.
As for this topic: Are you going to ask me if a flag is extremist? I'll say it's as extreme as the idea and thought behind it. It can be, it can be as innocent as a newborn. If you see people coming down the street waving the swastika flag, then you have very good reasons to think there are extremist ideas behind that and that flag then symbolises extremism that should be tackled. If you see the same flag on the wall in a WW2 museum it no longer represents extremism as such. Some people will misuse that and hide their extremist ideas behind some excuse that they are only pointing at history. It's bull and shouldn't be treated as anything other than bull.
Exactly. So instead of derailing by bringing up the usual PC-one-liners and/or personal attacks everyone commenting here should concentrate on these questions.
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Betonov
06-18-16, 08:52 AM
Like I said before, the modern German flag has ZERO to do with Nazi Germany.
It has zero to do with the flag of the Empire Bismarck built.
I'm glad the Slovene ultra nationalists display the black panther of Carinthia.
Which is moronic in itself, a germanic duchy ruled by gemranic dukes being a symbol of Slovene nationalism :dead:
Von Due
06-18-16, 09:13 AM
Like I said before, the modern German flag has ZERO to do with Nazi Germany.
It has zero to do with the flag of the Empire Bismarck built.
this fact is very relevant to the OP the way I see it. When someone come ripping the flag off your car, thinking they are protecting innocent people, they are doing everything wrong and the only ones they protect is one group of people who hijacked the flag for their own agenda by saying "they are right, it really is their flag now and we can't do anything about it".
That is bull. One can do something about it. It's called reclaiming the flag to belong to all and everyone in that country.
Mittelwaechter
06-18-16, 06:10 PM
The whole issue touches a few problems not easy to solve.
There is a difference in expressing <<I'm happy to be part of the group I am with, or maybe even born into>> versus <<I'm proud to be [FILL IN ANY NATIONALITY/ETHNICITY/RELIGION], because we are superior, exceptional or the master race>>. Waving 'a flag' doesn't explain the intention. We should assume innocence and ask, if we feel the necessity.
Waving a flag intertwined with an indisputable message explains everything. If socially intolerable, we should prohibit the use of these symbols for political statement, glorification and agitation in public.
The gay rainbow flag is a symbol with message. It says: 'I am happy the way I am, I'm proud to be gay.'. It doesn't want to trigger intentionally. If you feel triggered, it's a problem of your tolerance towards freedom.
The Nazi flag is a symbol with message too. It stands for their master race ideology and wants to express superiority over other people. Waving it, you want to glorify the national socialism and it's bloody intentions and achievments. It is explicitly a symbol against freedom. It's a symbol for the intentional oppression of 'subalterns'.
Vae victis! Woe to the vanquished!
Some brown hearted still refuse to realize, their case is overmastered, their claimed superiority defeated.
(I'm not talking about fascism here. It's doing better than ever, just under different leadership)
Publicly waving a Nazi flag, a Ku-Klux-Klan banner etc. should be a no-go, no question.
But consequently all flags and symbols connected with cruelty, torture, genocide or mass murder should be prohibited in public. And here is the problem located.
Many nations have spilled their flag with blood and evil, but are still waving it with pride. It all depends on their success in being bloody and evil - and get away with it and write the history.
As original symbols of independence and freedom, their flags do have a morally legitimate base, but some have worn off over time and are considered symbols of evil, by those who suffered under their presence. I consider it justified.
The intention of a symbol is often a matter of interpretation, perspective, experience and realization. Those who show it and those who watch it may have a totally different sensation.
My symbol for freedom - the ability to control my own fate - may be experienced as the symbol of unfairness by others, because my freedom is abused to raise above others and draw from them.
My freedom to get wealthy may be many others fate to become poor.
We all know these psyched up muslim groups burning our western flags, showing their disrespect and contempt. They consider us as conquerers, occupying forces of their holy soil and villainous destabilizers of their societies. They consider us as greedy robbers of their resources, willing to kill their families to get what we want. Many have personal experience, have lost family members, others are motivated only by friends and priests.
Our doped up christian groups are not much better either, in showing disrespect: https://youtu.be/OPinKYBjeec
Their disrespect doesn't come neither from suffering under an occupation, nor from social destabilisation, robbery of resources or killing of their families.
Some may have experienced personal confrontation with equally challenged fanatics of the rivaling team. Some others are stirred up by the stories told about these events - by friends and media.
(One may realize, priests and media have much in common)
Male group dynamics (+ disinhibiting alcohol) are escalating the willingness to top each other - no matter what culture.
As someone who grew up as a filthy leftist :D I used to scoff at the phrase 'political correctness gone mad' but mad is indeed what it has become,
And I sense most people are getting really tired of it, myself included.
High time the west applied the brakes to PC culture, This business of 'your rights end where my feelings begin' has gone way further than it ever should have.
Betonov
07-18-16, 10:45 AM
While I despise SJWs, might I also ad that ''your rights end where my feelings begin'' can be applied to ther other side also.
''Gays shouldn't marry because they disgust me'' [example]
So what, religion disgusts me and I'm not trying to take away someones right to worship whoever they want.
My rights don't end where your feelings begin would make a ton of money if trademarked and printed on shirts. I mean the left and right would buy it like brötchen :arrgh!:
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