Schrödinger's Cat Now Can Be Alive/Dead In Two Places At Once

[vienna]

The famed Schrödinger's Cat paradox just got even more mind bending:

http://www.livescience.com/54890-schrodinger-cat-can-be-in-two-places.html

Just goes to show anything is possible in physics...



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[Skybird]

Just goes to show anything is possible in physics...

Theoretical physics.

Just look at how much they celebrated the string theory just 15 years ago - and how mercilessly a slwoly growing number of theoreticists shredder it today.

I have started to get some doubts about the value and validity of all this "theorizing unchained". Essence of the scientific method is to form and then test theories. But if you end up with theories that cannot be validated or falsified, cannot be tested, then what use is there? Or you formulate a theory of just all and everything that answers by claiming all imaginable scenarios and outcomes are possible: a theory that predicts just everything, is worthless- for it has zero use to actually predict anything. Its like saying that if you throw two dice, you may get results between 2 and 6, maybe a 7, possibly an 8 or 9, and a chance for 10, 11 or 12. Thats a waste of time.

Too much speculation has been motivated by the corruption of scientific methodology due to career and money desires, or needs to form reputations and show a regular stream of publications. Its not the method of science that is being put into question here. Its how and what it gets used for.

Like a knife: you can use it to conduct surgery to save somebody's life, peel an onion, fight off a wild animal - or slit somebody's throat while he is sleeping. The knife just is what it is, and it is that in a formidable fashion. How it gets brought to use is what decides the usefulness of its excistence.

The history of string theory serves as a warning example for me. Too much speculation and construction of abstract reality instead of discovering pragmatic, observable reality. If nobody listens, the fall of the tree in the forest is sound-less.

[vienna]

Perhaps, but all scientific gain has started with speculation. The problem comes when speculation is more or less accepted as fact. It is further exacerbated when, in the face of substantial, factual, contrary evidence the speculation-as-fact is tenaciously clung to, to the detriment of real progress. Basically, it is sometimes a crap shoot...


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@ the Mod(s) - I seem to have had a case of digital displacement, both technically and physically: would it be possible to change the "Plaxes" in the thread header to "Places"? It would be much appreciated, thanks...



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[Torplexed]

@ the Mod(s) - I seem to have had a case of digital displacement, both technically and physically: would it be possible to change the "Plaxes" in the thread header to "Places"? It would be much appreciated, thanks...



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Hey. Death and Plaxes. The only certainties in the uncertain universe. :D

[Sailor Steve]

Fixed, apparently. But was it fixed by me? By Jim? By Jim and me (at the same time)? By Neal? It's Jim's forum, but it's Neal's site. I'm the guy on the spot, but who knows what quantum leaps lurk in the hearts of moderators?

I can now safely say it was me, while still leaving open the option for theoretical diversity in the concept of thread-fixing.

[vienna]

Many Thanks, Steve... :up::up:

Now, did you fix it in all the parallel universes or just this one, and, if you fixed it, and no one saw your fix, did it really happen?... :hmmm:



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[Sailor Steve]

I was going to, but this tree fell in the forest...

[Catfish]

^ Did you really hear it? :hmmm:

[Eichhörnchen]

http://i.imgur.com/SHGjcZl.jpg

[Bleiente]

HerrGott... entweder ist die Katze tot Und/oder lebt sie nicht gleichzeitig.
Was gibt es da soooo schwer zu debatieren, ist die Gleichung denn nicht total schlüssig!?!

[Catfish]

^ Hmm yes, but then: Schroedingers immigrant.

Is he lazy and does not want to work, or does he steal your job?
There can be only one state he's in.
Decisions, decisions.. but a lot of people believe he's in both states.

[Jimbuna]

Fixed, apparently. But was it fixed by me? By Jim? By Jim and me (at the same time)? By Neal? It's Jim's forum, but it's Neal's site. I'm the guy on the spot, but who knows what quantum leaps lurk in the hearts of moderators?

I can now safely say it was me, while still leaving open the option for theoretical diversity in the concept of thread-fixing.

Hey, don't blame me. All I know is I woke up and found myself trapped in a box.

[Onkel Neal]

Better buy more cat food.

[Betonov]

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/346/529/ab2.gif

[Catfish]

It is always nice to confuse people with something one does not understand oneself :know:

[Rhodes]

http://i2.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/facebook/000/346/647/dfd.png

And for the manga lovers...
http://i1.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/346/660/9d9.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

^ Did you really hear it? :hmmm:
I did and I didn't. Pay attention! :O:

[Dowly]

What's SC all about anyway? Is it similar to 'If tree falls in a forest and no one is around, does it make a sound'?

[Platapus]

I kinda think Steven Hawkin is right.

Yeah, well, there are some people who spend an awful lot of time talking about the interpretation of quantum mechanics. My attitude is that when I hear of Schrödinger's cat, I reach for my gun.

[Sailor Steve]

What's SC all about anyway? Is it similar to 'If tree falls in a forest and no one is around, does it make a sound'?
More like "If no one is there to see it, did the tree fall at all?", with the answer being that at some point it hasn't fallen and it has fallen at the same time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schr%C3%B6dinger%27s_cat

[Mike Abberton]

What some people don't seem to get, I think, is that the whole SC thing (or the tree in the forest) is an extrapolation of quantum mechanics designed to help lay people understand quantum theory and our understanding of how things work on a very, very small scale in the universe.

Somehow over time, it's somehow taken a life of its own and some people think it's really somehow a physical reality at the macro scale.

I especially love how SC somehow implies that it takes a human to observe what occurs in the box for reality to happen. Not too self-important right? Like the cat couldn't see the hammer strike the poison, or feel itself dying?

[Betonov]

In one documentry by Brain Greene it was explained as putting one right glove in one box and one left glove in another box and randomly sending one to Antarctica.
Until you open your box, the glove in Antarctica can be left or right and only once you open your box and (example) see a right glove, you know that the glove in Antarctica is left.
So until you open the box it can be in both states, dead and alive. Because you don't know if the poison bottle broke.

But that's not really true because a cat is either dead or alive before you open the box, it's in both states only to the observer that not yet observed.




I think

[Catfish]

so you are.. maybe.

[Betonov]

so you are.. maybe.

I am because you observe that posts are made by me.
Until the next post I can be both dead or alive.

And I am in both states until I either post something and you observe it or you observe a post about me dying.

[Dowly]

In gamer's term, would the following be correct in regards to SC:

The player is in an area that is loaded, the next are will only be loaded when the player approaches it.
The player however does not know if the area has been there all the time or if it only loads when he approaches it.

The Finnish Wiki is very vague about SC and something like this for a non-native English speaker is a bit hard to understand correctly.

[Sailor Steve]

It's a method of explaining quantum mechanics to the layman. It doesn't apply to games, or to trees, or even to cats. Schrödinger himself called the comparison "ridiculous".

[Skybird]

The cat is loose in this thread.

And not.

[Aktungbby]

It's a method of explaining quantum mechanics to the layman. It doesn't apply to games, or to trees, or even to cats. Schrödinger himself called the comparison "ridiculous".

WELL my relational interpretation has just activated my objective collapse and now I need an aspirin! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/Einstein_tongue.jpg/220px-Einstein_tongue.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Einstein_tongue.jpg)I see a new rock hit : Ted Nugent's slightly revised "Cat State Photons" @ Betonov this version's for you :O: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz9aJex-0Fs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mz9aJex-0Fs)

[Rockstar]

We're all one big Penrose tile
http://41.media.tumblr.com/e4b17b4792136866a908626ffc20633a/tumblr_n54abaNndo1qk3uvpo1_500.png

[u crank]

http://i.imgur.com/EBtQHne.png

[Von Due]

:oops:It's a method of explaining quantum mechanics to the layman. It doesn't apply to games, or to trees, or even to cats. Schrödinger himself called the comparison "ridiculous".

With the research and work being done in creating a working quantum computer, one day it may apply. That would make for some bizarre games.

(I'm sure it's only about 10 years down the road :haha:)

[Platapus]

https://s15-us2.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbecausescienceblogdot com.files.wordpress.com%2F2015%2F03%2Fschroedinger s-cat.jpg&sp=2abe8f6f6c54f6cfe3a7d735511f59ee

[Schroeder]

So Dowly can be totally drunk, post on this board and watch boobies all at the same time. Is he related to Schrödinger?:hmm2:

[Catfish]

So Dowly can be totally drunk, post on this board and watch boobies all at the same time. Is he related to Schrödinger?:hmm2:

No, that's still ordinary multitasking :O:

[Aktungbby]

No, that's still ordinary multitasking :O: Well consider EXTRA-ordinary multitasking! Makes any Schrö-dinger a Hüm-dinger...or so I Totally Recall-ect.:woot:http://i.huffpost.com/gen/2085438/thumbs/o-JASMINE-TRIDEVIL-THREE-BREASTS-570.jpg
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/22/jasmine-tridevil-surgery-third-breast-total-recall-style_n_5859776.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/09/22/jasmine-tridevil-surgery-third-breast-total-recall-style_n_5859776.html)

[Eichhörnchen]

http://i.imgur.com/1UAcXvr.jpg "I'm just glad he decided to use a cat..."

[Aktungbby]

Just when we had one dead cat figured out:O:: Now, scientists have added another box. And another cat. And the first cat being dead and alive simultaneously in the first box, so this causes the second cat in the second box to also be dead and alive at the same time. Makes perfect quantum sense, right? This proposes that two objects can be intimately linked, even if billions of light-years separate them (http://www.space.com/31933-quantum-entanglement-action-at-a-distance.html), and any change that happens to one will happen to the other instantaneously, a relationship Einstein once described as “spooky action at a distance.” For our cat, this means, quite simply, that there’s a twin, in another box. And everything that happens to one, happens to the other. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/8/86/Einstein_tongue.jpg/220px-Einstein_tongue.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Einstein_tongue.jpg) http://67.media.tumblr.com/e454b239bbb7f1d4c40a38822ac26031/tumblr_o1u1fv4n5D1txh2xro1_540.jpg http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0528/Schroedinger-s-cat-gets-a-playmate (http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2016/0528/Schroedinger-s-cat-gets-a-playmate)

[vienna]

From The New Yorker:


http://imgc-cn.artprintimages.com/images/P-473-488-90/96/9660/W96C500Z/posters/brian-mclachlan-we-ve-opened-a-portal-to-a-perpendicular-dimension-new-yorker-cartoon.jpg



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[Skybird]

Two cats in two boxes leaves me wondering if anyone ever cared to figure out what happens to the cat that nobody ever mentions - the non-cat? Maybe it wraps itself around the box and then mathematically defines all what is outside as the inside? :88)

A bamboo flute without a hole is no flute, but a hole without a flute is something completely different. :O:

[vienna]

I'm not sure...there may be a hole in your theory... :hmmm:



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[Rockstar]

How could this theory be applied to Brexit Bremain vote?

[Eichhörnchen]

Maybe we could end up both in and out at the same time?

[Catfish]

How could this theory be applied to Brexit Bremain vote?

Wouldn't this be UKxit or UKain :88)

[Schroeder]

Maybe we could end up both in and out at the same time?
Isn't that what you actually have right now? So the theory is true!!!!:o

[Catfish]

Isn't that what you actually have right now? So the theory is true!!!!:o

True, but only until june 23rd, then the box will be opened.
Was there ever a cat named Pandora? :hmm2:

[Rockstar]

interesting theory in that both possible outcomes, Brexit and Bremain, already exist. In one universe an independent kingdom free from oppression. In the other universe a kingdom governed by puppets appointed by the ruling class elite. Not until the 23rd when the wave function collapses will we see which universe we are in.

[Jimbuna]

interesting theory in that both possible outcomes, Brexit and Bremain, already exist. In one universe an independent kingdom free from oppression. In the other universe a kingdom governed by puppets appointed by the ruling class elite. Not until the 23rd when the wave function collapses will we see which universe we are in.

Fingers crossed then.