deradicalization centers

[Rockstar]

... the 45 million dollar boondoggle.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160509/how-france-plans-to-fight-radicalization

France will create centres in each region of the country to de-radicalize people or prevent them becoming involved in jihadist groups, the prime minister said Monday as he laid out new anti-terror measures.

In other news Saudi Arabian deradicalization programs were declared a complete success! Until it was discovered 11 graduates were involved in terrorist activities.

[Skybird]

Finally! They make the world a better place to live in...!:yeah: Tonight's sleep will be a happier sleep for me!

[vienna]

I wonder if there are any de-idiotizing centers for politicians in France?... :hmmm:



<O>

[Rockstar]

IMO, these centers are opening in France because there is absolutley nothing to be concerned about ... no wait. They're probably opening in response to a new report that says there are twice as many islamic religious zealots in France than previously thought.

How that number jumped from 4,000 to 8,000 within a year was probabaly due to new immigrants and in part to the 'state of emergency' France is in which is allowing police a little more leeway gathering intel.

[fireftr18]

I wonder if there are any de-idiotizing centers for politicians in France?... :hmmm:



<O>

Can we get them in the US?

[Buddahaid]

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-WBXjy_ulYfM/UY_MONcFlFI/AAAAAAAALno/JqGJuqubDp8/s1600/kirk+in+mind+wipe+chair.jpg

Problem is we would all need them in the end leaving one last observer to give our universe substance.....

[Jimbuna]

Soooo much effort and money.

Good Luck

[Catfish]

Punching a sack of sand or sheer normal work are often enough to "deradicalise" :03:

Unfortunately fugitives from other countries are not allowed to work, until they are accepted residents, with a passport.
Fugitives have been sitting in camps for a year, without a word from the administration.

IMHO instead of building expensive deradicalisation centers, the time interval of either acceptance or deportation should be shortened.




PS when i look at the mindset of some here, maybe they should be the right ones to visit those centers.

[Rockin Robbins]

... the 45 million dollar boondoggle.
That's no boondoggle! In the US to qualify a boondoggle has to be at least $10 billion!. $45 million is just a rounding error.:woot:

Get with the program, France! You're supposed to be BETTER than that.

[Betonov]

THIS is a bigger threat than the people that will be ''deradicalised'' inside.

Politicians that come up with such useless ideas and then money is spend on it instead of intelligence and customs control.
That is killing Europe. Short term populistic projects that need to only last to the next election.

And what France has now, all rotten eggs in one basket, plotting and planing until they convinced the ''deradicalisation'' board (no doubt the members will be put there on account of who bent his ass to who instead of merit or god forbids, actuall education) that they are no longer ready to blow up a stadium.

[Oberon]

Punching a sack of sand or sheer normal work are often enough to "deradicalise" :03:

Unfortunately fugitives from other countries are not allowed to work, until they are accepted residents, with a passport.
Fugitives have been sitting in camps for a year, without a word from the administration.

IMHO instead of building expensive deradicalisation centers, the time interval of either acceptance or deportation should be shortened.

PS when i look at the mindset of some here, maybe they should be the right ones to visit those centers.

http://i.imgur.com/lxLhfNl.gif

[HunterICX]

Unfortunately fugitives from other countries are not allowed to work, until they are accepted residents, with a passport.
Fugitives have been sitting in camps for a year, without a word from the administration.

This de-radicalization is aimed at French Muslims who harbour extremist ideals especialy that of Salafi corner which seems to win a lot of ground. NOT refugees. (fugitives are wanted criminals on the run btw)

PS when i look at the mindset of some here, maybe they should be the right ones to visit those centers.Maybe you should make a valid point related to the article first.

[Catfish]

This de-radicalization is aimed at French Muslims who harbour extremist ideals especialy that of Salafi corner which seems to win a lot of ground. NOT refugees. (fugitives are wanted criminals on the run btw)
Maybe you should make a valid point related to the article first.

From the article:
"France will create centres in each region of the country to de-radicalize people or prevent them becoming involved in jihadist groups..."

" ...to prevent those identified as being vulnerable to falling into the hands of jihadist groups."

Ok, so not all but.. who decides who is susceptible? :hmmm:

[HunterICX]

Ok, so not all but..

Any actually, you see refugees being mentioned in that article? I don't.

This program is aimed at the French people and especially the youth that converts to radical Islam or if they already are muslims radicalize and have or are about to go to places like Syria to fight with ISIS or prepare yet another Terrorist attack in France or other places in Europe. Those are the most susceptible and it's what the governement aims for to counter with this program.

[Catfish]

You are right, serves me right not to thoroughly read the article :oops:
Sorry.

[Rockstar]

IMO the argument about deradicalization isnt about who gets to go to camp but wether such a program actually does any good. To be sucessful it must be able to change an individual's mindset and ideological beliefs. Quite frankly I think that impossible to gauge. Its just a full fledged boondoggle where politicians are throwing millions of dollars at a program that has no real proof of working.

[Oberon]

IMO the argument about deradicalization isnt about who gets to go to camp but wether such a program actually does any good. To be sucessful it must be able to change an individual's mindset and ideological beliefs. Quite frankly I think that impossible to gauge. Its just a full fledged boondoggle where politicians are throwing millions of dollars at a program that has no real proof of working.

Honestly, it probably is a waste of time, and it's certainly not a long term solution to the problem, it's more of a sticking plaster/Band-Aid.
However to attempt to tackle it from the other end would require a completely different social, economic and political viewpoint in Europe, so that'll never happen. Instead we'll continue to go for quick fixes and big actions which appease some but ultimately do nothing.
The narrative that we are at war with the whole of Islam will just get repeated louder and louder by those who want a war with the whole of Islam and eventually they'll get their wish and the extremists on both sides will be happy while everyone else is miserable.

So, boom times ahead! :rock: