SpaceX does it again!!! + Rolling out Starlink

[Rockstar]

oh poo 5.100 scrub

[Skybird]

Bad luck, play another day. Weather is weather, but the technology they say has worked fine.

[mapuc]

An off topic input on this Space X adventure

If I had my own company like the Space X. I would give my engineers a task.

Develop a spacecraft that can be launch whatever weather it is and from any place on earth.

Furthermore develop some engine which makes it possible to use 2-3 types of fuel.
Like an engine who can:
1. Taking the spacecraft from earth to space
and
2. Transport in our solar system
and
3. Transport outside our solar system

Number 2 and 3 shall give the spacecraft a speed who shall be 10-15 times higher than it is today.

A Spaces shuttle had a speed around 17500 mph.

Which would mean this spacecraft would have a speed between 175,000 and 262,500 mph When in space.

Markus

[Platapus]

I am afraid that your engineers would tell you no the problem will be fuel weight. It would be very inefficient to make one engine that can operate in an atmosphere and higher gravity environment and operate in space in a micro gravity environment.



Launching in any weather is not a problem.
Any rocket can be launched in any weather these days.

Whether that launch will be successful and whether the crew survives the launch is the the problem

[vienna]

...

Launching in any weather is not a problem.
Any rocket can be launched in any weather these days.

Whether that launch will be successful and whether the crew survives the launch is the the problem



Picky, picky, picky...





<O>

[Platapus]

Just like with the SAR COV-2 virus. Killing viruses is easy. Killing viruses without killing the patient is the problem.

[mapuc]

I am afraid that your engineers would tell you no the problem will be fuel weight. It would be very inefficient to make one engine that can operate in an atmosphere and higher gravity environment and operate in space in a micro gravity environment.



Launching in any weather is not a problem.
Any rocket can be launched in any weather these days.

Whether that launch will be successful and whether the crew survives the launch is the the problem

To stay in this off topic discussion

And you're right.

I guess my scientist would say it's impossible.
They would probably tell me it's more efficient to develop an engine who works in space.
Which would mean, using a standard rocket to send astronaut from earth to space(docking with a space dock) and then use this spacecraft with this space engine to travel in space.

End off topic discussion

Markus

[Rockstar]

F.A. Ditty Bag its on the way :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Quite an historic moment in space exploration.

[Skybird]

Congratulations!

I am still stunned by the sight of those rocket poles standing on the ship. Was stunned when i saw it the first time, am still stunned by it today.

[Catfish]

What you all said, incredible launch, and landing :):up:

[Onkel Neal]

Dragon docked with ISS and crew came aboard.

[Onkel Neal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=151&v=KxPGBBZV1SQ&feature=emb_logo

Eighth batch of Starlink satellites, fifth landing success.

[Rockstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=164&v=LbH1ZDImaI8&feature=emb_logo

[Rockstar]

Today's coffee is tomorrows coffee


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZkuQUCUYgM

[Onkel Neal]

Starlink gaining momentum,

SpaceX told the FCC in a late July presentation that the company’s Starlink unit is “now building 120 satellites per month” and has “invested over $70 million developing and producing thousands of consumer user terminals per month.”

https://spaceflightnow.com/2020/08/07/spacex-closes-out-busy-week-with-launch-of-more-starlink-satellites/

Splashdown!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-HuNQGGBB4

[tmccarthy]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdSxDNnqRlo


Looks like a shaky lift off and a little fire, still very impressive!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1HA9LlFNM0

[Onkel Neal]

Here is a summary of the recently found Starlink speed tests

https://i.redd.it/7l3ofzyu6ng51.jpg

[Onkel Neal]

https://www.space.com/spacex-starlink-12-internet-satellite-launch-webcast.html

SpaceX to launch 60 Starlink internet satellites today. Here's how to watch live.
https://www.spacex.com/launches/index.html

[Jimbuna]

Was talking to a neighbour yesterday about internet and tv access via 'unusual' means and he was full of the above but I was a little sceptical because he usually full of verbal crap.

[Onkel Neal]

Tom Cruise in Space.
https://hackaday.com/2020/09/22/spacex-sending-tom-cruise-to-the-space-station-in-2021/

[Onkel Neal]

Widespread beta tests are looking great!

About two weeks ago, SpaceX began sending the first invites for Starlink’s public beta, which costs $99 a month plus a $499 one-time fee for the equipment. Now that the system is finally serving actual consumers, we've been wondering, does it actually meet the hype?

To find out, we interviewed four beta testers, and all described Starlink as a game changer, particularly for rural internet users who have limited access to fast fiber-optic networks common in urban areas.

https://www.pcmag.com/news/from-painfully-slow-to-lightning-fast-spacexs-starlink-makes-rural-internet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gg6jcm3M38

[Rockstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnChQbxLkkI


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_FIaPBOJgc

[Jimbuna]

Widespread beta tests are looking great!



https://www.pcmag.com/news/from-painfully-slow-to-lightning-fast-spacexs-starlink-makes-rural-internet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gg6jcm3M38

How expensive is that when compared to existing service providers?

[Onkel Neal]

How expensive is that when compared to existing service providers?

In a lot of places, there are no existing service providers. In other rural areas, all that exists is 1995-level internet, no Youtube, not Netflix, 128k download speeds. And that's between $75 and $95 a month.

I was getting by on 3mbps download speed with a hard 30GB a month cap, initially costing $180 a month. Over the last couple of years that slowly dropped to $120.

For what Starlink is expected to deliver, $500 for the setup and $100 a month is a terrific deal. A dream come true.

[Jimbuna]

In a lot of places, there are no existing service providers. In other rural areas, all that exists is 1995-level internet, no Youtube, not Netflix, 128k download speeds. And that's between $75 and $95 a month.

I was getting by on 3mbps download speed with a hard 30GB a month cap, initially costing $180 a month. Over the last couple of years that slowly dropped to $120.

For what Starlink is expected to deliver, $500 for the setup and $100 a month is a terrific deal. A dream come true.

Wasn't aware of any of the above figures till now so all things considered yes, it certainly is attractive :yep:

[Gerald]

I'm surprised that prices are still so high and that speed is not faster. In this part of the country, it is not possible to get less than 100 mbps at a cost of $ 30 a month.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm surprised that prices are still so high and that speed is not faster. In this part of the country, it is not possible to get less than 100 mbps at a cost of $ 30 a month.

In a city or town? Or in the countryside?

You can get fast internet in any medium to large city here cheap.

Wasn't aware of any of the above figures till now so all things considered yes, it certainly is attractive :yep:

Oh yeah, that's been the theme of my long, over the road trucking and living on the ranch saga for 5+ years now

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2340310#post2340310

and

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2618042#post2618042

Now that I bought a nice house in a golf course community, I have 300mbps and no real data caps, I'm living big again. :)

https://www.speedtest.net/result/10438676317.png

[Jimbuna]

This is me @ £35/month.

https://i.postimg.cc/6qz68kKT/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[mapuc]

I live in the countryside on a little island

I have 200/200 Mbit for around 51 $/month.

Markus

[Gerald]

@Neal. In City or similarly. In much smaller places and remote places in mountain areas, where the owner has to pull it in himself, either via satellite or DSL or xDSL.... the latter I think could cost the equivalent of 3-4 thousand dollars. Incidentally, in city cores it should be from 30 up to 90 dollars.90 dollars then you get "theoretically" 10,000 Mbit / s. However, there are exceptions as usual, it is possible to get fiber and get more Gig if you are willing as a private person to open your wallet.

https://www.gbmb.org/gbps-to-mbs

[Onkel Neal]

Yes, it's similar here. Living in the countryside is a lot more expensive than living in a town or city. But it's worth it!

[Catfish]

Our current private supply in the countryside is ~350 Mb/s download and 115 upload via glass fibre, while paying 35 Euros/month. This is the lowest tariff, you can get more if paying more. Up to now this is enough even for streaming and a lot of other traffic.

Speed currently possible up to 1000 Mb/s, for ~90 Euros.

Will check out Starlink :hmmm: Prices may fall a bit, and wireless via satellite is a good idea..

[Jimbuna]

Here in the UK this is as good as it gets (Virgin Media)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqDVNjHK/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)

[Onkel Neal]

Our current private supply in the countryside is ~350 Mb/s download and 115 upload via glass fibre, while paying 35 Euros/month. This is the lowest tariff, you can get more if paying more. Up to now this is enough even for streaming and a lot of other traffic.

Speed currently possible up to 1000 Mb/s, for ~90 Euros.

Will check out Starlink :hmmm: Prices may fall a bit, and wireless via satellite is a good idea..

You cannot get Starlink if you live in a city or town or area where high-speed service already exists. This is only for people who have no high-speed provider options.

The "countryside" in the US is often miles and miles away from any towns.





Here in the UK this is as good as it gets (Virgin Media)

https://i.postimg.cc/ZqDVNjHK/Untitled11.jpg (https://postimages.org/)



Yeah, same here. In Houston.

[ikalugin]

Would be a cool option for the hunting launge.

[Onkel Neal]

Would be a cool option for the hunting launge.

Yes, hunting lodge? Yeah, that would be nice.

[Onkel Neal]

SpaceX gets $886 million from FCC to subsidize Starlink in 35 states (https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2020/12/spacex-gets-886-million-from-fcc-to-subsidize-starlink-in-35-states/)

Oh man, mixed emotions. Govt provides nearly a billion (like we have it to throw around, sigh) to SpaceX to propel awesome venture.

[Rockstar]

I think I mentioned this before but I believe starlink is more than just a government subsidized internet connection so we can complain about global warming. If I were to guess it might be more along the lines of a massive satellite system that can take several hits and still have enough links left over to maintain study flow of C3I or to point a hypersonic missile to city of our choice.



I imagine Beijing and Moscow are on that list of cities. They're probably adding Berlin to it now as well :D


https://www.airforcetimes.com/news/your-air-force/2020/02/27/air-force-spacex-to-test-starlink-capabilities-in-upcoming-live-fire-demonstration/

[Mr Quatro]

Not that Starlink is evil, but of course it could be used for evil depending on the users in rural areas, but the spread of high speed internet reminds me of an evil dictator from România, Nicolae Ceausescu. Who had ordered all of the rural area residence citizens to move into the big cities where he could keep an eye on them against future rebellion.

Well as we all know it did not work and he was executed by his own countrymen 31 years ago this Christmas. :yep:

I doubt if China will allow it's rural areas to connect to Starlink :o



https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-50821546

It was on Christmas Day 30 years ago that Romania's tyrannical communist dictator Nicolae Ceausescu was executed by firing squad after a summary trial.

A bloody battle played out in Romania in December 1989 that led to the remarkable collapse of one of Europe's most repressive communist regimes - and arguably its most menacing dictator.

For the Romanians who challenged him, it was a moment that defined their lives.

"It was war, it was a war zone here," remembers Traian Rabagia, then a 19-year-old geology student.

[Rockstar]

Well, government subsidies can range from tax credits to cash deposits. But it just dont happen because government likes handing out free money. They have a reason or interest to promote such things. One being of course 'evile' intentions however in the U.S. it was most likely done to promote business and reduce the initial costs for consumers.


Remember when those nylon folding chairs first hit the market? They were going for upwards of 70-80 bucks a pop. Now they're everywhere and you can get them at wallymart for 5 dollars.

[Onkel Neal]

Starship prototype 8: So close!

https://twitter.com/i/status/1336810961630416898

[Skybird]

Thats a Booom that I call worth its ticket money.


I admit I like Musk's attitude shown on this, he is reported to be enthusiastic, labelling it a success and saying that all expected data was collected and that Boooms like this are what test flights are for. He gave it just 30% chances before the launch that it would make it back in one piece.

[Catfish]

This was despite the outcome a nice demonstration of what it is capable of :up:

Ascending, shutting down one engine, then the second while the third ordered by the gimble to take central position and keep the craft upright and still stabilized, then controlled glide/fall, then vertical again for settling down - and then unfortunately not enough thrust.
Musk said that the fuel pressure in the main tank became too low in the final seconds, so less thrust.. without this it all worked. Respect and congratulations!

[Skybird]

Wrong wiring of cables due to human error in one engine was listed as likely cause.



Did not know that he collects his parts from all over the world. The engines are made in the Ukraine.

[Rockstar]

When you consider what it takes to land on Mars this thing is amazing. I was reading about the last Mars rover. Because of the nature of the martian atmosphere and gravity they had to design parachutes which could be deployed at supersonic speeds. But they still needed a substantial amount of energy from retro rockets to reduce the speed to achieve a successful soft landing. A lot of moving parts and a quite complicated procedure.


Its why SN8 belly flops into the atmosphere to slow descent then uses rockets to further reduce the speed for a soft landing. I hope I'm around to see it land on Mars. This thing will be awesome. Hell we're establishing a moon base in another 3-4 years thats going to be awesome.

[Rockstar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egHxiX40eJY

[Onkel Neal]

This reminds me of diving from a 100' board and filling the pool 3 secs before you hit.

[Onkel Neal]

Going for another Starship launch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky5l9ZxsG9M

[Rockstar]

Here we are in the year 2021 with state of the art technology standing on the launch pad. I can't help but think how very similar they look to the rocket ships in those classic 1950's-60's sci-fi movies.

[Catfish]

^ this :)
Using 'rockets'.. in a gravitation well like 'earth' it makes sense to get to more than 11,000 km/second for an escape velocity, unless you do not want to waste unnecessary amounts of fuel (whatever you use) to escape more slowly, or even hover.
For landing (and leaving), fuel spent is most effective the closer you are to the gravitation well, so it makes sense to do it like SpaceX does. Not that this insight is especially new, but computers make all this a lot easier.
Regarding 'starlink' and the like, i think this is not a good idea with all the debris already blocking orbits.

[Rockstar]

Calling Dr. Zarkov, calling Dr. Zarkov crash in aisle 9.

[Onkel Neal]

Man, that's gotta be getting expensive.

No change from what I could see. May be time to consider parachutes? :D

[Catfish]

There's so much money from Tesla.. oh.. wait ..

Parachutes still make sense, for emergency in the dense earth atmosphere, but also for deceleration done for free (fuel-wise), before the final touchdown 'softened' with deceleration boosters. An exact landing point is a problem as long as the parachutes cannot be trimmed; those adjustable breaking spoilers are a good idea, but too small.

OT:
I wonder why no one has mentioned Orangopoid in the last four years :D

[Rockstar]

These prototype hulls are designed and tested with a Martian atmosphere in mind. The belly flop method and wings are meant to produce a certain amount of aerodynamic drag to help slow the vehicle down then retro-rockets can do the rest for a soft landing.

Parachutes are used on smaller probes sent to mars. Specially designed to withstand deployment at super sonic speeds and hopefully not tear apart. On top of that they still have to jettison the chute before retro-rockets are activated. Might be that attempting to design a chute large enough, and strong enough, able to withstand supersonic speeds for something the size of SN9 is just simply out of the question.

[vienna]

Aw, there you go...


...using logic, again... :roll: ...


...:D...




<O>

[Catfish]

Aw, there you go...
...using logic, again... :roll: ...
...:D...<O>
Hopeless :k_confused: :O: :haha:

The gliding path within an atmosphere having less pressure than on this planet will be steeper than shown in the test vids. But as long as a planet has an atmosphere, it can be used for breaking. The thinner it is, the less usable, on the other hand it will not tear a chute apart that easily.
This ship is bigger than the self-landing thrusters alright, why not use the heat shielding first, then brake flaps, then a bundle of small chutes adding to the break flaps for mid-term deceleration, and the landing thrusters to be applied as late as possible.
The idea to brake and adjust position with a glide is genius, but you need this swing around manoeuver.
I wonder if this tumble comes due too late/low altitude (not enough time for proper stabilisation and deceleration), or if the problem is some mass shift in the tanks during this swing-around, and/or oscillation.

[vienna]

I really don't know or understand why there is so much nay-saying about Space X's recent crash landing in terms of it being a catastrophic failure and possibly dooming Space X efforts for further space travel; just go back and look at all the footage of rocket development over the decades and see just how many crashes, launch pad explosions, etc., there were in the past; Goddard had a whole slew of failures before he got a fully workable concept; Von Braun, in his work during WW2 for Germany and later for the US space program, logged a goodly share of hiss own "ouchies"; there was once a sort of "best of" compilation of Von Braun's greatest V2 misses:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdBh54MoZRE


While Space X is not really starting from scratch and is building upon the technologies of prior designs, they are actually breaking serious new ground in aerospace advancement; the idea of launching a rocket, having it fly, and then landing it safely was, indeed, the stuff of science fiction and Saturday matinees/comic strips, but Space X, in an impressively short span of time from inception to success, has made it a now near normal reality, while other competing private aerospace efforts are still only launching single use boosters; a comment was made earlier about the expense of such failure as the recent Space X landing attempt; the same was said of the failures of Space X's earliest attempts to develop reusable boosters, but they did ultimately succeed and have now reduced the cost of per flight launches and payload delivery sufficiently to, moving forward, amortize the expenses of the failures, and, with continued steady success, they have placed themselves as the go-to, if not 'gold standard' of the aerospace industry...


One thing i must say about Space X and Elon Musk: say what you will about Musk as a person, but it is incredibly impressive that one person could have overseen and accomplished, in so short a time, the degree of success that he has; he is certainly an oddball and someone a normal person might steer clear of, but, damn it if he didn't pull it off while others, including heavily financed government efforts, are still stuck in a "launch 'em and lose 'em" booster cycle; Musk, and his various entrepreneurial projects, have been more than successful, even when it may seem on their face to be 'failures'; Tesla may not be the most successful of automotive companies, but by advancing the technology, even to the point of 'open sourcing' a lot of his developments to the auto industry in general, has moved human transportation further than anyone else has in decades; he may be a kook, but, then so were Hughes and Tesla and Edison, etc., etc.,...


I have little doubt the type of landing the Starship was attempting will be stuck and I have very little doubt Space X and Musk will be the first to do it...




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[Catfish]

They will succeed, i'm sure.

[Aktungbby]

^ so when ya gonna volunteer BBY:D

[Catfish]

^ :ping: I am stranded here anyway, and even with volunteering this gets me nowhere - and no one will let "me".
Those are still rockets going through their evolution, not yet space "ships" by any standard. This crash is only a mishap with others following, but the faster data processing systems get, the easier it gets.. leaving the qubit range will change a lot of things, and a change in political and "currency" systems will be self-evident.
There are also other private ventures developing smaller rocket systems, but they do not get much attention yet.
To leave this planet and get away in the long run, this is a good "makeshift" project, and necessary. I hope Musk can get on without going bankrupt. I do not know enough of him, but he succeeds, and is fast enough to see the next generation.

[Onkel Neal]

Next one coming soon, https://www.teslarati.com/spacex-starship-sn10-launch-plans-asap/

I hope they get it right. Seems like they should do all the flips and burns a little higher off the ground to allow for mistakes and adjustments.

[Onkel Neal]

SN 10 at T-10:00

[Onkel Neal]

Much better result this time.

[Rockstar]

Hot damn! It landed and its vertical!

[Rockstar]

and KABOOM it blew up 10 minutes later. Still though what a launch and landing,

[Onkel Neal]

Ain't no way I'd ride in that thing.:haha:

[Catfish]

Much better :up:
Now if they can delay the boom effect for say ten years ..

[Onkel Neal]

Starlink users in rural UK share insights on satellite internet system: “Amazing” (https://www.teslarati.com/starlink-rural-uk-review/)


Starlink beta users in rural UK have shared their insights on the satellite internet service, particularly with regards to how it compares to their previous web providers. Based on the reception of the service so far, it appears that Starlink is already touching lives for the better, especially among those who have been forced to endure painfully slow internet connections from conventional ISPs.

While addressing the PA news agency, Bredgar, Kent resident Aaron Wilkes noted that his household’s fixed internet line was supposed to provide him with speeds of about 20 Mbps. That was already significantly lower than the 71.8 Mbps national average reported by Ofcom for May 2020, but things were actually a lot worse. According to Wilkes, his internet service usually lagged between 0.5 to 1 Mbps, making it extremely challenging to perform simple tasks such as streaming videos on Netflix.

After installing Starlink, Wilkes’ internet connection averaged 175 Mbps, with the satellite system going as high as 215 Mbps. This was enough not only for streaming video content, but even downloading games as well. “The ability to be able to download content so quickly compared to our standard BT line is amazing,” the Bredgar resident said.

Granted, Starlink’s monthly rate is relatively high at £90 per month, but for many users, this is a price worth paying for proper internet connectivity. This was a point highlighted by Martin Langmaid, who set up the satellite internet system for his mother’s house near the Devon village of Dunsford. “She moved into the countryside to be nearer to my brother, who is a farmer. Modern-day business requires internet. You can’t get away from it, so that’s what she needed. If you need connectivity to run a business and if you need connectivity for communication, particularly in COVID times, £90 a month is quite justifiable,” Langmaid said.

Considering Starlink’s early stages, both Wilkes and Langmaid have noted that the satellite internet system does encounter downtimes from time to time, just as warned by SpaceX for the ongoing Beta. However, these downtimes have been getting shorter as of late, which suggests that the system is improving at a rapid pace. Wilkes noted that initially, he would see up to 127 minutes of downtime in one day, but now, the downtimes usually last just about 4-5 minutes per day.

[Dowly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5QXreqOrTA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ln8hXptcA90

[Rockstar]

How long will it take to go from Texas to Kauai?

[Jimbuna]

Now set for 1420 GMT as far as I can ascertain.

[mapuc]

The Launch has been postponed for at least 48 hours.

Markus

[Skybird]

"Scotty...!!!" :Kaleun_Mad: :mad: :damn: :arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

:haha:

[Rockstar]

Rumor is launch will happen on 420 day

[Onkel Neal]

Starship launch T-20 min
https://www.youtube.com/live/-1wcilQ58hI?feature=share

[Skybird]

"#!$?;§*...!!!"

[mapuc]

Through failure we learn

Markus

[Skybird]

Through failure we learn

Markus:yep:
They rate it as a success indeed.


Kirk however is not happy.

[Onkel Neal]

Ha, jeez, expensive way to succeed. :haha:

[MGR1]

"Rapid unscheduled disassembly", I believe they've termed it.:D

Mike.

[Platapus]

They delayed the destruction in order to collect the most data.


That's how rocket science works.

[Skybird]

I would not mind if next time they delay it until it is over the Kremlin.

[Jimbuna]

I would not mind if next time they delay it until it is over the Kremlin.

:haha:

[Dowly]

The two things they wanted to test was if it could take off (it did) and if it would damage the launch pad (it did). AFAIK, none of the craft was to be recovered in any case.

[Onkel Neal]

Hmmm... everyone already knew that the pad would send out tons of high velocity concrete fragments in its current config. and damage the booster and engines, that was widely discussed a couple years ago. I guess not being a rocket scientist, I don't get conducting a test that you know will result in a premature failure. If the pad had been constructed properly, the first test flight might have made it to Hawaii, and they would have learned a lot more.



https://youtu.be/gMbUeO4iGhY

[Skybird]

Well, maybe Musk simply has too much money and wants to dump some. :88)

[Von Due]

Sometimes, learning exactly how failures occur is what is needed to prevent them from happening when it reallty matters. If the data is good and plentyful, then that is very valuable.

[Dowly]

Sometimes, learning exactly how failures occur is what is needed to prevent them from happening when it reallty matters. If the data is good and plentyful, then that is very valuable.
Indeed. I am a bit disappointed by how this launch is viewed. That the thing - the largest rocket ever built and launched by humanity - managed to get airborne is a worthy achievement alone. Falcon 9 crashed multiple times, before they got it right. The fact that Starship could lift off with 5 of the 36 boosters offline is a good thing. It was never meant to reach Hawaii, it was just the flight plan IF it would even lift off. All in all, they got what they asked; the Starship could lift off.

[Onkel Neal]

Well, the Musk doctrine has been successful, people will cheer when a rocket goes 40km and blows up. Maybe he just wanted to get rid of the thing and it was cheaper to blow it up over the Gulf than to demo it in the yard?

I'm pretty surprised no one is raising hell about the detrimental impact this has on global warming and the environment. :doh:

But to be fair, SpaceX does have a great track record of getting the Falcon 9 and Heavy working very well, so they know what they are doing.:doh:

[Skybird]

Progress is different.



https://think--again-org.translate.goog/fortschritt-geht-anders/?_x_tr_sl=auto&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp


I am not certain to what degree I agree, but with quite some of his view I do agree for sure.

[Onkel Neal]

Musk is super optimistic, thinking 4 flights this year. Knowing how slow the FAA will be, with ample reason, this could be the only SS flight this year.

"Basically the outcome was roughly sort of what I expected and maybe slightly exceeded my expectations," he said. "And I'm glad to report that the pad damage is actually quite small, and it looks like it can be repaired quite quickly. It was actually just good to get this vehicle off the ground because we've made so many improvements in Booster 9 and beyond."

https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/elon-musk-provides-detailed-review-of-starships-first-launch-and-whats-next/

[Rockstar]

Musk is super optimistic, thinking 4 flights this year. Knowing how slow the FAA will be, with ample reason, this could be the only SS flight this year.



https://arstechnica.com/science/2023/05/elon-musk-provides-detailed-review-of-starships-first-launch-and-whats-next/

I don’t understand how they have the brains and technology to build a rocket ship to fly in space. Yet couldn’t foresee the immense damage caused to rocket and launch facility by not have having a flame trench.

[Rockstar]

Earth got walloped by two intense G3 solar geomagnetic storms two days ago. They can cause satellites to drop out of orbit and burn up.. Made think about it when I heard on the news SpaceX was launching more satellites today. I reckon they must have satellites ready to launch on a moments notice.

[Skybird]

And I thought of Musks threat to supply internet to Gaza.

[Rockstar]

Maybe,

Also, believe it or not and contrary to all the hate mail and articles written about Musk. He can’t do whatever he wants and supply foreign access to equipment technology unless he has approval of our government and complies with applicable laws.

[Skybird]

When he interferred with the Ukrainian attack on Russian fleet units at Crimea he certainly did what he wanted. He knows no stae reason, only self interest, and nothing more than that. Everything idealistic he claims is just show. Also, he is irresponsible.



Zero trust in his sense of responsibility, and zero ability for empathy. He has proven often enough that of both he has none.

[Rockstar]

When he interferred with the Ukrainian attack on Russian fleet units at Crimea he certainly did what he wanted. He knows no stae reason, only self interest, and nothing more than that. Everything idealistic he claims is just show. Also, he is irresponsible.



Zero trust in his sense of responsibility, and zero ability for empathy. He has proven often enough that of both he has none.

I don’t pay much attention his personal beliefs. But SpaceX is a civilian commercial business and is not allowed to operate outside our governments laws or its foreign policy decisions just because the mob thinks it’s OK. The U.S. government knows that, Ukraine knows that, Musk knows that, hell, even and I know that.

The U.S. Government has its own secure satellite system in orbit that it uses for military applications.

[Gerald]

I pay over 2k per month in streaming service can this improve the quality I'm more than happy 😁.

[Otto Harkaman]

https://youtu.be/rIka_GYrCuE?si=iYw79mw2LRYQ82PF
After shutting Starlink off in eastern Ukraine as troops were advancing on the enemy, SpaceX fenced off coverage, which prevented the Ukrainians from communicating effectively in the heat of battle and most likely cost lives. The action caused U.S. Department of Defense officials to worry about just how much power Elon Musk has over the Pentagon with SpaceX's proprietary technology like Starlink.

[Buddahaid]

Oops! The spacecraft is currently grounded.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_CnuIJWLJU

[Jimbuna]

No doubt Democrats will be blamed at some point :O:

[Skybird]

Losses and failures in developement work have to be expected if you have technical ambitions like Space X, but the heap of crap metal starts to pile up pretty high now. Can one really still reasonably hope in good conscience that they are still learning from these lessons?

Even with several successful test flights coming in the future I would neither board this rocket myself, nor order others to do so. And certainly I would not dare to land on Mars or Moon in a vehicle landing like this one should do. A launch pad is one thing, unknown, uneven and unpredictable geologic surface on a foreign world is something very different. After all this is no Ray Bradbury story. This is reality.

[Raf1394]

Don't you think the US government will use Space X for there own benefits? to bypass some international laws that forbids governments to gain acces to some things ?


Can a private owned company, do more then a government owned company? Or do they hold under the same laws? Can Space X do more then lets say... NASA?

Can the US for example say ''it wasn't us'' The US government isn't hold accounted for. Its that private company owned by Musk''
But in the meanwhile they benefit from using it.

[Platapus]

I pay over 2k per month in streaming service can this improve the quality I'm more than happy 😁.


You are joking right?

[Dargo]

You are joking right?Maybe it's 2k rupee:D

[Buddahaid]

I'm expecting SpaceX to be held liable for the costs associated with the divergence of commercial aircraft throughout the debris zone.