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Skybird
04-20-16, 05:16 AM
A former trainee recommended me these. Got it myself, very expensive, but very good quality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO8G5zsQohg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NH7SRnQy0PY

Do not be mistaken: the hits are really heavy and serious, this is a well-concealed combat stick and weapon. If you swing the handle, you can crack open skulls and break ribs or arm and leg bones easily.

Of course it helps me that I have trained with combat sticks for long time. But even if you are just swinging it like a club - you do not want to get hit by it, promised.
But I would always recommend to get yourself familiar with basic handling of sticks like this. Some essential basics, really, don't go without such minimum basic training. You are not already protected just because you own a weapon of any kind. Minimum familiarity with what you have is inevitable, no matter what kind of weapon you have. Even if it is a firearm. Consider a scenario where you as an untrained with such a stick gets attacked by a once trained guy like me: stick or not, your chances look grim. A trained attacker would know how to deal with you - while you as an untrained person would not know how to even just maintain possession of your stick.

Against "ordinary" attackers not implementing any technical skills of their own, you have the upper hand with a stick like this, and if you do not suck completely: easily so.

The charm of self-defence weapons like these are that there are no legal limitations, you can carry them anywhere, and they look completely innocent and unsuspicious for the casual eye. Also, the untrained defender can keep his distance to an attacker, which is something important. I would never recommend knifes, kubotans or anything like that for untrained people or people who are weak in muscle strength. Keep your distance to the attcker.

The long umbrella cna be used as a spear as well, the tip is reinforced with metal, the telescopic one has a metal glass-breaker with some very nasty tips and teeth.

Second best - if you have no gun license, of course, and want no possible conflict with your country's laws -, is pepper-spray, preferrably a brand with good reputation like Mean Green or something like that. I n many European countries, the use and carry is regulated by lasws, however, be careful. Some countries seem to have banned it completely. Naked and defenceless any citizen should be - from the state'S POV. Do not mistake pepper spray with CS spray or anything like that. Go for streams, not cone fogs. In windy conditions, and inside rooms, fog can backfire against you. Effective strweam distance shgould offer you a minimum range of 2m, better more - clearly outside the attacker'S armlength. Note that it takes some seconds until the spray takes effect even if you hit the eyes, these intial seconds oyu have to "survive" somehow. Once the effect sets in in strength, he is effectively out of action. But mind the delay, always!!! Do not believe what you see in crime movies on TV! Delay can be anything from 2-10 seconds, something in that range. Never show the spray as a warning, the surprise must be part of your concept, else he can protect himself from it while still attack you. If you unveil it, use it immediately, without further hesitation. Pull and shoot.

In Germany: do not trust in "tazers" over here. Even if they have 500,000 volts, in Germany they have been limited a couple of years ago technically, they now do some minor pain to the skin and make your mucle vibrate a bit, but do not have any other significant effect anymore that would stop an attacker, stun him - chances are that yiu even enrage him to charge in revenge.German tazers with the legally demanded "Prüfzeichen", are completely worthless kits now. German tazers - or better: e-shockers - available for private users have NOTHING in common with what you see on American police videos, nothing. I tested a 200,000 V device last year on myself, it was a bit more than grabbing into an electric wire at the fence around a horse meadow, not more. Stopping value zero, absolutely zero. Its fraud.

BTW, the umbrellas do not get messed up in windy and stormy conditions, different to the popular telescopic mini-umbrellas that so many people use.

In europe and Germany not easy to get, and expensive. Don't know the prices for America. The item originally is made in an American family company. Europe produces limited quantities in license.

Jimbuna
04-20-16, 05:40 AM
Quite a handy tool for those at risk from.....umbrella thieves :)

More seriously though, quite expensive when compared to the average umbrella but probably worth the £85 price tag if it brings with it a measure of peace of mind.

Skybird
04-20-16, 05:44 AM
I would have expected it to be "Made in Britain". :)

Skybird
04-20-16, 05:56 AM
More seriously though, quite expensive when compared to the average umbrella but probably worth the £85 price tag if it brings with it a measure of peace of mind.

Self-esteem translates into body language. It has been empirically shown that self-confident people walking on the street become victims of street assaults less often, than insecure ones with little trust in themselves, or already feeling kind of fear. I told people back then to be invisible and melt with the background - but if being found by a pair of eyes: submit a strong message. This can not be stage-acted only, it must be real. And that means your feeling of confidence must be real, and for good reason. You cannot fake it.

Again, some essential minimum basic training is inevitable, always. And habit-forming: always carry your tool of defence in the same way, in the same pocket - and always easily accessible. You hear me, ladies...? ;) :D You ladies with your handbags with plenty of cluttering things inside them? That is not the way to carry a spray, for example.

Eichhörnchen
04-20-16, 07:20 AM
Weren't you looking for one of these, Rhodes?

Jimbuna
04-20-16, 09:50 AM
I would have expected it to be "Made in Britain". :)

Nothing much is made in Britain these days :shifty:

Buddahaid
04-20-16, 12:21 PM
Beware gangs of old ladies with umbrellas.

vienna
04-20-16, 01:24 PM
What if you are like a lot of other people and are prone to leave your umbrella behind when you are somewhere and forget to take it with you? Replacement costs could be steep; maybe this is what the designers are hoping for: steady, repeat business... :hmmm:


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Rockin Robbins
04-20-16, 01:34 PM
I suspect the shaft is made from carbon fiber tubing?

Oberon
04-20-16, 01:38 PM
But does it have a small pellet firing device at the tip? :hmmm:

vienna
04-20-16, 02:02 PM
Missing your days with the KGB?...



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Oberon
04-20-16, 03:34 PM
Missing your days with the KGB?...



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I have no idea what you're talking about, Comrade.... :O:

vienna
04-20-16, 04:33 PM
http://files2.coloribus.com/files/adsarchive/part_591/5916905/file/vodka-eristoff-speak-russian-small-32285.jpg



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Oberon
04-20-16, 04:44 PM
:haha: :up:

http://new2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Yep+3+_8729cf6364ae8a09112eec2c3666f27b.gif

August
04-20-16, 06:18 PM
I protest the unfair characterization of rain as evil. Without it nothing lives on land.

Oberon
04-20-16, 07:07 PM
A valid point, although I'm not quite so sure how much Neal would be agreeing with it right about now... :hmmm:

Skybird
04-20-16, 07:44 PM
I suspect the shaft is made from carbon fiber tubing?
Yes, something like that, glass fibre and carbon stuff. There also is an even more expensive verison, weighs practically the same, but is all made of steel and hardened aluminium used in aircraft construction. In Germany these cost twice as much as the ordinary versions.

Thje grips are heavier, thatr'S why they really are powerful if you swing the umbrella while holding it at the tip and upper third from their on. The hooked grip also is extraordinarily large, bigger than normal umbrellas - you can easily grab a thick neck with it (or a lew or arm). Whether itr is clever thing to do ina given situaiton, is somethign different.

Finally, the non-telescopic umbrella is quite large in diameter if you open it, like a golf umbrella or those they use at hotel entrances and taxi stands. The telescopic one compares to ordinary telescopic umbrellas in diameter when opened.