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u crank

04-19-16, 03:19 PM

When the day comes that I have with nothing better to do than watch a ship, any ship, sink for 2 hrs. and 40 min. I'm taking that one way walk into the forest to feed myself to the wildlife.:O:

cdrsubron7

04-19-16, 03:22 PM

I've raised four kids with my lively wife, I have no patience left. :rotfl2:

Dowly

04-19-16, 03:25 PM

That was very interesting, watched through the whole thing. :up:

Subnuts

04-19-16, 03:51 PM

So many "experts" in the comments section who think that the movie Titanic was a historical documentary, and that every other depiction of the sinking is automatically fake and "bull&^%". :/\\!!

Fahnenbohn

04-19-16, 05:41 PM

So many "experts" in the comments section who think that the movie Titanic was a historical documentary, and that every other depiction of the sinking is automatically fake and "bull&^%". :/\\!!

Indeed ! Search for the truth is a constant work to reach exactness and fight against our prejudices !

Oberon

04-19-16, 09:34 PM

Ach nein...

Anyway, back on topic, the game that this video is from has been linked to in the General Games forum:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225662

The demo is, I think, worth a download if you've had even a passing interest in the Titanic.

Buddahaid

04-20-16, 01:43 AM

That was very interesting, watched through the whole thing. :up:

So did I. I found the real time presentation to give a somewhat first hand experience of it. The building of despair as the reality sinks in, the horribly slow deployment of lifeboats that seem to take forever to reach the water, the utter desolation of the sea when your man made island is gone all made it quite emotionally charged.

Commander Wallace

04-20-16, 02:14 AM

What is it about this ship that has captured so many peoples Imagination and that people can't seem to let this ship lay in peace where it is ? Over 1,500 people lost their lives due to gross errors and negligence. Stupidity in not heeding Ice warnings from other ships and the arrogance of the ship builders in declaring the Titanic " unsinkable " caused these needless and tragic losses of life.

Interesting video but still....

Skybird

04-20-16, 03:49 AM

Its a game, a sinking-ship simulator where players have to explore the Titanic as a passenger, under time pressure obviously. Whether they did themselves a favour by trying to advertise their game with this 160 min. slo-mo commercial - I have my doubts.

Dowly

04-20-16, 04:31 AM

What is it about this ship that has captured so many peoples Imagination and that people can't seem to let this ship lay in peace where it is ?The tradegy of it, to put it simply. Plenty of controversies and what-if's also help keep the discussion going.

Its a game, a sinking-ship simulator where players have to explore the Titanic as a passenger, under time pressure obviously. Whether they did themselves a favour by trying to advertise their game with this 160 min. slo-mo commercial - I have my doubts.It doesn't hurt. It shows that the team have researched their stuff. :yep:

Fahnenbohn

04-20-16, 04:58 AM

Ach nein...

Anyway, back on topic

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Commander Wallace

04-20-16, 07:27 AM

The tradegy of it, to put it simply. Plenty of controversies and what-if's also help keep the discussion going.

I'm sure you're probably right as there have been many auctions for artifacts and a number of movies made of the tragedy as well as the expeditions to Titanic by Ballard and Cameron which inspired his movie .

[QUOTE=Skybird;2398532]Its a game, a sinking-ship simulator where players have to explore the Titanic as a passenger, under time pressure obviously. Whether they did themselves a favour by trying to advertise their game with this 160 min. slo-mo commercial - I have my doubts.

It's an interesting video and I'm wondering how accurate the depiction is as some have speculated based on survivor's accounts that the Titanic broke in half before it sank. Indeed, Titanic was found broke in half with both parts separated by a small debris field lending some credibility to that theory.

Dowly

04-20-16, 08:58 AM

It's an interesting video and I'm wondering how accurate the depiction is as some have speculated based on survivor's accounts that the Titanic broke in half before it sank.
The ship breaks in two in the video as well.

Aktungbby

04-20-16, 10:31 AM

Never mind the Titanic: full of snobs and white trash (ahhh the Victorian Era:hmph:) in a poorly constructed or repaired expansion joint failure? brittle steel vessel trying to set a speed record during a coal strike! :Kaleun_Salivating:Thank god; whichever ship it was, it was only half full, (1317 vs 2566 passengers) as it was the low point of the travel season!:stare: The real RMS Titanic was conveniently scrapped in 1936! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_d_GEy8lr0 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_d_GEy8lr0) :o

Dowly

04-20-16, 01:27 PM

I almost stopped watching that, but holy crap that jaw is mesmerizing. :o

Commander Wallace

04-20-16, 02:31 PM

The ship breaks in two in the video as well.

Right. However, some eyewitness accounts have said it broke up before it sank, other eyewitness accounts say it sank in one piece. It has been theorized that if it did sink in one piece, trapped air may have caused an implosion resulting in the ship breaking apart while under water and now resting with the stern separated from the bow.

Oberon

04-20-16, 03:28 PM

Fahnenbohn

04-20-16, 06:43 PM

I was always under the impression, until recent times, that the ship broke in two at a fracture point underneath the surface, however I will give the developers of this video and game their due, they have done an ungodly amount of research into the Titanic, so I am inclined to follow their version of events, and indeed, this paper supports this:
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/how-did-titanic-really-break-up/

" ... and engineers, like scientists, must always be prepared to deal with new evidence that may force us to discard our previous concepts and embrace new ones.

But we also hope that in the absence of such evidence, our work will be respected. If there is to be a debate over the validity of our work, we hope that it will take place in open scientific and professional forums, and that the outcome of the debate will be determined in the best tradition of scientific inquiry."

So bad that such a good disposition is not allowed for some particular subjects ... But political ideologies are above the truth ...

Oberon

04-20-16, 07:06 PM

....getting back on topic... :stare:

Fahnenbohn

04-20-16, 10:45 PM

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Buddahaid

04-20-16, 11:35 PM

....getting back on topic... :stare:

And the topic is testing your patience. Well......

Oberon

04-21-16, 05:43 AM

And the topic is testing your patience. Well......

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Dowly

04-21-16, 08:38 AM

Right. However, some eyewitness accounts have said it broke up before it sank, other eyewitness accounts say it sank in one piece. It has been theorized that if it did sink in one piece, trapped air may have caused an implosion resulting in the ship breaking apart while under water and now resting with the stern separated from the bow.I would say that the ship started to break apart on the surface. I find it hard to believe that about a dozen survivors would testify seeing the ship break up, if it didn't. :hmmm:

Skybird

04-21-16, 11:07 AM

Oberon

04-21-16, 01:06 PM

Just realised that somebody else was two days earlier than me. That is because initially I did not even knew it was a game, also I visit subsim game forum not that often. Sorry, did not want to steal somebody's credits for linking it first.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225662

Nothing wrong with a bit of cross-posting, especially with this project, if it got the game even one more backer or supporter then it'll be worth it. :yep:

Dowly

04-22-16, 05:41 AM

TH&Q's three main consultants have all worked extensively with James Cameron in the past, on the movie and the subsequent documentaries he did. Maybe they could ask Cameron to hand out a million or two. :)

After all, the game will double as an educational tool, they plan to model nearly the whole ship. :yep:

Commander Wallace

04-22-16, 07:08 AM

I would say that the ship started to break apart on the surface. I find it hard to believe that about a dozen survivors would testify seeing the ship break up, if it didn't. :hmmm:

I feel the same as you. I had posted in the forum a ways back that when I was in college, a friend was in law school and the professor staged a " crime " of some sort. The law class he was teaching witnessed this " crime " as well.

Afterwards, the class was directed to write down what they saw. My friend told me that the accounts varied widely.

The point was that you can have a number of people and to a degree, they will all see something different. I'm sure JimBuna, being in law enforcement, has probably seen the same thing. I'm also sure the expeditions by Ballard and others to Titanic was in part to scientifically confirm those accounts of the survivors.

Dowly

04-22-16, 08:47 AM

The point was that you can have a number of people and to a degree, they will all see something different.Oh I agree. Eyewitness accounts can be extremely unreliable, especially the one's taken in everyday setting.

mapuc

04-22-16, 04:03 PM

First time I heard about Titanic was when I was a young boy. Someone told me about the ship and how it hit an iceberg and went down. Later I borrowed some books in the library and was fascinated about the story and the black and white pictures-Forgive me I was just a little young lad-didn't really understand how people may have suffered before they died.

It was in one of these books I read about the possibility that the ship may have broken in half before it went down. Not in other books or documentaries about this ship and its disaster

We jump ahead some years-It was a Sunday. After the news on the Danish TV-there was a dramatization of a hearing that was held after the disaster.

The Movie Titanic-Some of the scenes made my wonder-'cause I could not recall there had been fired shot in the air etc.(or is it me who have forgot it in all these years)

I know that they had made a lots and a lots of research before making the film.

Markus

Dowly

04-23-16, 02:28 AM

Cameron's Titanic got a lot right, but what I didn't like was how Cameron chose to use his own personal opinion of what happened in the film (for example, Murdoch's suicide).

As for shots fired, 5th officer Lowe did fire his revolver as can be seen from the British Inquiry records:

15855. There is just another thing I want to ask you. Did you use a revolver at all?
- I did.

15856. How was that?
- It was because while I was on the boat deck just as they had started to lower, two men jumped into my boat. I chased one out and to avoid another occurrence of that sort I fired my revolver as I was going down each deck, because the boat would not stand a sudden jerk. She was loaded already I suppose with about 64 people on her, and she would not stand any more.

Survivors say Murdoch and Lightoller used their revolvers as well, but that is hard to prove. Lightoller himself has said the revolver he had was not loaded.

Btw, some amazing person uploaded the full interview with Lightoller to youtube recorded in 1936:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le1IViJOe-w
:O:

Commander Wallace

04-23-16, 05:44 AM

[QUOTE=Dowly;2399349]Cameron's Titanic got a lot right, but what I didn't like was how Cameron chose to use his own personal opinion of what happened in the film (for example, Murdoch's suicide).

Btw, some amazing person uploaded the full interview with Lightoller to youtube recorded in 1936:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le1IViJOe-w
:O:

Thanks for posting the links to the interview of Lightoller .

iambecomelife

04-29-16, 05:00 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rs9w5bgtJC8

This is a must watch for any subsimmer who loves the great liners! Excellent project, and they have even hired Ken Marschall (the greatest Titanic painter) for consulting.....keep an eye on this game!

Sailor Steve

04-29-16, 05:04 PM

You missed it?
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225697

Catfish

04-29-16, 05:12 PM

First time i thought "a bit boring".

Now i have seen it three times or more, if picking out this and that event. Very well made, i think. And so sad to see.

I just don't get why the first command is "turn to starboard", and then the ship turns to port??
When they are half acoss the iceberg, the command is "turn to port", and the ship turns to starboard. Hmm. :doh:

iambecomelife

04-29-16, 05:43 PM

Beaten to the punch. :oops: Can you please delete thread?

Sailor Steve

04-29-16, 08:59 PM

I just don't get why the first command is "turn to starboard", and then the ship turns to port??
When they are half acoss the iceberg, the command is "turn to port", and the ship turns to starboard. Hmm. :doh:
i had that same question when I saw the big-budget movie. It turns out that it was a hold-over from the early sailing-ship days, when they still used tillers. When the order "Hard a' Starboard" is given, it refers to the tiller, which moves the opposite direction from the rudder. The helmsman knows to turn the wheel to port, which drives the tiller to starboard and the rudder to port. Confusing to us today, but instinctive to sailors at the time.
http://kakopa.com/sailing/titanic_mistake.htm

According to this source the convention was changed in 1933.
http://www.titanicebook.com/wheel.html

Sailor Steve

04-29-16, 09:02 PM

Beaten to the punch. :oops: Can you please delete thread?
Merged them instead. :sunny:

Dowly

04-29-16, 09:55 PM

Year or so back trash papers (dailymail etc.) were running an article saying that mis-command sank the Titanic, but as Steve said, that was how commands were given back then.

Similar to how you turn an outboard engine today, you turn the handle to the right and the boat goes left.

Catfish

04-30-16, 06:03 AM

i had that same question when I saw the big-budget movie. It turns out that it was a hold-over from the early sailing-ship days, when they still used tillers. When the order "Hard a' Starboard" is given, it refers to the tiller, which moves the opposite direction from the rudder. The helmsman knows to turn the wheel to port, which drives the tiller to starboard and the rudder to port. Confusing to us today, but instinctive to sailors at the time.
http://kakopa.com/sailing/titanic_mistake.htm

According to this source the convention was changed in 1933.
http://www.titanicebook.com/wheel.html

Thanks very much, for the explanation! :salute: