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Holding Assange as a prisoner then thumbing your nose at the UN!?! What is going on over there, are you mad? Have you gone off the deep end!?! Oh, the shame of it all.:nope: If Churchill was alive today, what would he say about this horrible situation?
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http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/uk-brands-assange-ruling-ridiculous/ar-BBpa9pT
Platapus
02-07-16, 08:03 AM
Tough to make the case that he is being detained when he can leave any time he wants to.
I was detained last night when I choose not to attend some corporate function and instead stayed inside where it was warm and played video games.
Where is my compensation?
u crank
02-07-16, 08:48 AM
Where is my compensation?
If you fill out the proper paperwork, send money, get a haircut and wash my car you may get compensation. :D
Aktungbby
02-07-16, 11:12 AM
He's sitting in that embassy listening to 'summertime blues' and ''takin' his troubles to the United Nations'' ??!!:O: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWbXCz9UZYo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWbXCz9UZYo)
Jimbuna
02-07-16, 11:22 AM
Does anyone take any notice of the UN theses days?
They should come to the realisation they only exist because of the generosity of one or two countries.
ikalugin
02-08-16, 03:42 AM
Does anyone take any notice of the UN theses days?
They should come to the realisation they only exist because of the generosity of one or two countries.
And this is sad, as the alliance system without nuclear deterence element is inherently unstable.
AndyJWest
02-08-16, 07:23 AM
And this is sad, as the alliance system without nuclear deterence element is inherently unstable.
You think arming the UN with nuclear weapons would be a good thing?
Tchocky
02-08-16, 07:30 AM
He's wanted for questioning in Sweden. He refused to comply with bail conditions set by UK courts under a valid European Arrest Warrant. The violation of these conditions means he's liable to be arrested on UK soil.
To avoid this he fled to the Ecuadorian embassy - where he is protected from arrest by the Vienna Convention.
Arbitrary detention this is not.
Zero sympathy.
Jimbuna
02-08-16, 02:32 PM
He's wanted for questioning in Sweden. He refused to comply with bail conditions set by UK courts under a valid European Arrest Warrant. The violation of these conditions means he's liable to be arrested on UK soil.
To avoid this he fled to the Ecuadorian embassy - where he is protected from arrest by the Vienna Convention.
Arbitrary detention this is not.
Zero sympathy.
Precisely.
...If Churchill was alive today, what would he say about this horrible situation?
He'd probably set in motion a scheme to extract Assange from the embassy while imposing an economic blockade/sanctions on the Ecuadorian nation...
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Catfish
02-08-16, 04:17 PM
Some people here seem to prefer a very simple state of mind, completely and maybe intentionally fading out certain aspects :03:
Cybermat47
02-08-16, 04:18 PM
If he's innocent, he has nothing to hide from the Swedish authorities.
If he's innocent, he has nothing to hide from the Swedish authorities.
Exactly. His claim the Swedes will turn him over to the US is rather a bit overblown; at this stage, the last thing the US would do is seize Assange with the whole world watching. If anything, the US would let Sweden have their go at Assange and, once that's over, with the passage of time and attention to his "plight", maybe then ask the Swedes to hand him over, if the US still wants him. Consider this: say Assange goes back and faces the charges, is tried and found guilty of the sexually based crimes; how do you think that will impact his base of support? I think Assange is afraid not only of the US getting their hands on him, he's afraid of what a sex-crime conviction will do to his support from sympathizers down the road...
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A little information about the Swedish Justice system
A prosecutor can detain a suspect for 5 days either in isolation or ordinary arrest before the suspect must be brought before a judge
a Defense attorney will first get the paper, when the prosecutor has done his job, sometimes the suspects defense attorney get the paper after 2 to 3 day after the arrest(do not know the exact processing regarding this)
The suspect will be offered a defense before the first interrogation
(I don't know how many takes this offer and how many refuse or say it is not necessary etc)
Markus
He'd probably set in motion a scheme to extract Assange from the embassy while imposing an economic blockade/sanctions on the Ecuadorian nation...
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:haha::haha:
Platapus
02-08-16, 05:33 PM
Does anyone take any notice of the UN theses days?
They should come to the realisation they only exist because of the generosity of one or two countries.
Well if the big five were to abide by the rules, that would go a lot further in convincing other countries to listen.
Jimbuna
02-09-16, 01:38 PM
He'd probably set in motion a scheme to extract Assange from the embassy while imposing an economic blockade/sanctions on the Ecuadorian nation...
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Good job Thatcher isn't in office then because she'd probably have the SAS go in and drag him out :03:
Good job Thatcher isn't in office then because she'd probably have the SAS go in and drag him out :03:
Would have saved £££££ worth of dosh.
Another thing about the Swedish judicial system-Which I have been told by my Cousin and by reading and watching educational program about this
In Sweden you are, when arrested, guilty until proven not guilty
Markus
Jimbuna
02-12-16, 08:05 AM
Would have saved £££££ worth of dosh.
About £12 million as far as I'm aware.
Catfish
02-12-16, 09:19 AM
What has been added, in that sum?
The protection against outlandish seceret sevrice trying to kill him? :doh:
kraznyi_oktjabr
02-12-16, 09:39 AM
Another thing about the Swedish judicial system-Which I have been told by my Cousin and by reading and watching educational program about this
In Sweden you are, when arrested, guilty until proven not guilty
MarkusAre you serious? If you get charged with murder its your responsibility to prove yourself innocent rather than prosecutor proving that you are guilty? If that is the case then I really understand Mr. Assange's reluctance of facing Swedish "justice system"...
Sailor Steve
02-12-16, 10:50 AM
Are you serious? If you get charged with murder its your responsibility to prove yourself innocent rather than prosecutor proving that you are guilty? If that is the case then I really understand Mr. Assange's reluctance of facing Swedish "justice system"...
Reminds me of a line I heard in a show recently: "Of course he's guilty! Otherwise he wouldn't be a suspect!"
I have to agree. Any system that requires the suspect to prove his innocence has nothing to do with justice. We have enough problems with innocent people being found "guilty" as it is.
Tchocky
02-12-16, 11:30 AM
I.....don't believe that's how the Swedish system works.
Betonov
02-12-16, 11:36 AM
I.....don't believe that's how the Swedish system works.
Me neither.
If our half balkan judicial quagmire gives you ''innocent until proven guilty'' then Sweden should he at least equall if not better than that.
I think mapuc might have misunderstood it.
Both in Sweden and in Finland, it does matter how publicized a case and the perps are. For example, 6-7 months ago, woman was sexually assaulted in Finland. She was taken hold of by two, while one was putting his finger in her you-know-what. The case was highly publicized and eventually, because of that their sentences were lowered.
****ing awesome justice system is it not? :-?
Hell, in Finland, "life sentence" is about 14-15 years, in some cases it has been longer but usually that's the "life sentence" you get in Finland.
It's a joke.
kraznyi_oktjabr
02-12-16, 01:08 PM
I think mapuc might have misunderstood it.I really hope so. I had always assumed our system's were quite similar.
Both in Sweden and in Finland, it does matter how publicized a case and the perps are. For example, 6-7 months ago, woman was sexually assaulted in Finland. She was taken hold of by two, while one was putting his finger in her you-know-what. The case was highly publicized and eventually, because of that their sentences were lowered.
****ing awesome justice system is it not? :-?Yeah, my faith in our judiciary is sinking.
Hell, in Finland, "life sentence" is about 14-15 years, in some cases it has been longer but usually that's the "life sentence" you get in Finland.
It's a joke.Yes, and most incredible thing is that there is always "the second chance". About ten years ago there was case of (not-so-)gentleman who was on police's custody on suspicion of muder for third time. He got conviction of murder, was pardoned, commited another within month, got convicted , pardoned and (according to police) commited anaother murder within a week... :nope: I didn't follow that case any further so don't know if he was convicted or not.
This system is a joke!
Platapus
02-12-16, 04:02 PM
Reminds me of a line I heard in a show recently: "Of course he's guilty! Otherwise he wouldn't be a suspect!"
Perhaps it was Edwin Meese, AG 85-88, who said
"...But the thing is, you don`t have many suspects who are innocent of a crime. That`s contradictory. If a person is innocent of a crime, then he is not a suspect."
in the words of Joe Biden at the time the highest ranking Democrat on the Senate Judiciary Commitee,
"My God. . . . Ed Meese`s answer is the overwhelming proof of why we need Miranda . . . because there are people like Ed Meese who believe that anyone who`s a suspect is guilty until proven innocent. My God, this guy`s beginning to worry me."
Maybe Meese can be Trump's AG?
Dowly is correct
It is me who must have misunderstood something.
Markus
IIRC, wasn't Ed Meese forced to resign over his involvement in scandals involving highly unethical, and possibly criminal activities while in office? But of course, since he was a Regan acolyte, and there fore above the law, he wasn't really a suspect, was he, since by his own definition, he was automatically guilty...
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Platapus
02-13-16, 08:07 AM
IIRC, wasn't Ed Meese forced to resign over his involvement in scandals involving highly unethical, and possibly criminal activities while in office? But of course, since he was a Regan acolyte, and there fore above the law, he wasn't really a suspect, was he, since by his own definition, he was automatically guilty...
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But as Ronnie said "if Edwin Meese is not a good man, then there are no good men".
Catfish
02-13-16, 05:05 PM
http://www.bbc.com/culture/story/20160211-how-to-survive-a-state-of-surveillance
Maybe Assange should read that..
But as Ronnie said "if Edwin Meese is not a good man, then there are no good men".
Ah, Ronnie, quite the wit...
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