Florida college Professor calls the murders at Sandy Hook a hoax!

[eddie]

This nut job claims what happened at Sandy Hook Elementary School a hoax!:nope: He has even contacted the parents who lost a child there, to prove that their child actually existed and was killed there. When parents won't comply to such a stupid request, he belittles them in his blog. Here is what happened when he contacted one of the parents-

"Last week, the parents of of one child, Lenny and Veronique Pozner, wrote an opinion piece in the Sun-Sentinel (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/opinion/commentary/sfl-on-sandy-hook-anniversary-two-parents-target-fau-professor-who-taunts-family-victims-20151210-story.html#) which began, “It’s been three years since we last embraced our precious little boy, Noah. At six-years-old, he was the youngest child murdered at the Sandy Hook Elementary School. …
“The heartache of burying a child is a sorrow we would not wish upon anyone. Yet to our horror, we have found that there are some in this society who lack empathy for the suffering of others. Among them are the conspiracy theorists that deny our tragedy was real. They seek us out and accuse us of being government agents who are faking our grief and lying about our loss.”


"Among the conspiracy theorists — and they mention Republican candidate Donald Trump’s “rantings on the Alex Jones radio show” — one who got widespread attention was Florida Atlantic University professor James Tracy.
“Tracy even sent us a certified letter demanding proof that Noah once lived, that we were his parents, and that we were the rightful owner of his photographic image. We found this so outrageous and unsettling that we filed a police report for harassment. Once Tracy realized we would not respond, he subjected us to ridicule and contempt on his blog, boasting to his readers that the “unfulfilled request” was “noteworthy” because we had used copyright claims to “thwart continued research of the Sandy Hook massacre event.”:nope:


At least the university is moving to fire this jackass!:rock: If I had lost a child there, and he contacted me like that, I would suggest to him that we meet somewhere, to continue this conversation in person,lol


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/university-moves-to-fire-professor-who-says-sandy-hook-massacre-is-a-hoax-and-allegedly-harassed-parents-of-victims/ar-BBnG52t?ocid=U351DHP

[Oberon]

Sadly it's quite a popular theory amongst certain people that Sandy Hook was a hoax in order to advance an anti-gun agenda.

The terms jet fuel and steel beams comes to mind. :nope:

[Onkel Neal]

Ugh, how could anyone perpetrate a hoax like this? It would be impossible, even Houdini couldn't pull it off. I'm very sorry there are people who buy into this type of stuff.:06:

[Jimbuna]

Surely there must be something the authorities can do to people like this, causing distress and harassment or something along those lines at least :hmm2:

[AVGWarhawk]

Surely there must be something the authorities can do to people like this, causing distress and harassment or something along those lines at least :hmm2:

Probably not.

[eddie]

I agree Jim, wish there was something the authorities could do. In the article I linked to about this, there is a link to his blog on Facebook. I couldn't read all of the rubbish he put up there, but it was fun to read the replies to it! I didn't think folks could get away with so much profanity on FB!:D

[Betonov]

Surely there must be something the authorities can do to people like this, causing distress and harassment or something along those lines at least :hmm2:

Be ''busy'' and ''ineficient'' when someone kicks his ass

[Webster]

I view it as FELONY TERRORIZING, it falls into the same category as those morons who disrupt soldier families funerals to call the dead soldiers murderers for just being soldiers killed in the line of duty.

as for the attempt to link this to trump, that is bogus stretch to the extreme of infinity. just because trump allows himself to be interviewed by someone, that in no way means he is even aware of or agrees with the all views, statements, or beliefs of that person, so lets just drop the over reaching political mud slinging in all this.

[Wolferz]

Rig his phone to reach a constant busy signal when he dials 911 to report his ass kicking.:-?

[Aktungbby]

Aß KICKED! https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/12/17/professor-who-says-sandy-hook-massacre-is-a-hoax-and-allegedly-harassed-parents-of-victims-gets-fired/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/grade-point/wp/2015/12/17/professor-who-says-sandy-hook-massacre-is-a-hoax-and-allegedly-harassed-parents-of-victims-gets-fired/)

[Commander Wallace]

It's sad the families of those lost at Sandy Hook have to deal with all this , especially at this time of the year. I doubt the parents will ever be able to enjoy an Xmas as their lost child will forever remain just that , an innocent young child taken away at a young age.

I wish them all strength in dealing with this.

[GT182]

Surely there must be something the authorities can do to people like this, causing distress and harassment or something along those lines at least :hmm2:

Maybe a "Blanket Party" the SOB would change his attitude. :yep:

[vienna]

It's so-called "academics" like this idiot professor who make me wonder about the quality of university and college education in the US. Having gone through the 60s and 70s, I am well familiar with the sort of dribble spouting from some of the professors and instructors in colleges. Back then, it was leftie sort of dribble; now, I guess, it is the pendulum swing and the righties are showing, even with a PhD, idiots are idiots. There are rather a few sad aspects to this story: there is of course the deep sadness of the families of the victims and the survivors and their families having to deal with the sort of slime as those who wish to inflict even more misery on those who have suffered so much. It is sad these who are being re-victimized have so little to no recourse to stop or even attenuate the actions of the loons. It is sad persons such as this professor can't be dealt with summarily by the colleges because of the unreasonable strictures of things such as tenure, unions, and the fear of litigation. This piece of crap professor will probably be fired, but he will probably sue for "wrongful termination", have his union back him up, find some headline seeking lawyer to press his case, and, in the end, probably settle with the university for a big payday; and it will be a big payday, since the university is part of the Florida State university system, and the state taxpayers will get to enjoy the fact their taxes will pay for the professor's retirement nest egg...

I would really like to see some of those high profile lawyers who seem to pop up to defend the worst of the world have a bit of compassion and use their wiles to fashion some sort of action against the professor and others of his ilk and make them suffer; in the end, no matter how much those idiots like the professor might suffer from tasting a bit of their own medicine, it will be a suffering far, far less than that of a parent who has lost a child to senseless, random violence...


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[August]

Sadly it's quite a popular theory amongst certain people that Sandy Hook was a hoax in order to advance an anti-gun agenda.

The terms jet fuel and steel beams comes to mind. :nope:

"Certain people". That's a not so nice way of smearing millions of people because of the rantings of a single nut who as far as I can tell has nothing to do with the RKBA debate one way or the other. :nope:

[Oberon]

"Certain people". That's a not so nice way of smearing millions of people because of the rantings of a single nut who as far as I can tell has nothing to do with the RKBA debate one way or the other. :nope:

Are you saying that there are millions of conspiratorial nutjobs? :hmmm:

I guess that there's certainly more than one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting_conspiracy_t heories

[August]

Are you saying that there are millions of conspiratorial nutjobs? :hmmm:

I guess that there's certainly more than one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Hook_Elementary_School_shooting_conspiracy_t heories

No I'm saying that Tracy is not claiming Sandy Hook was a hoax perpetrated in order to argue for gun control like you claim so the way I see it you are just making the connection in order to smear one side of a political debate.

The link you post references exactly two (2) people making gun control related hoax claims, a lawyer and a talk show host, as if a Shock Jock and an ambulance chaser couldn't have some other reason for making such controversial statements.

[Oberon]

No I'm saying that Tracy is not claiming Sandy Hook was a hoax perpetrated in order to argue for gun control like you claim so the way I see it you are just making the connection in order to smear one side of a political debate.

The link you post references exactly two (2) people making gun control related hoax claims, a lawyer and a talk show host, as if a Shock Jock and an ambulance chaser couldn't have some other reason for making such controversial statements.

If Tracy wasn't saying that, then why did he say:

Regardless of where one stands on the Second Amendment and gun control, it is not unreasonable to suggest the Obama administration’s complicity or direct oversight of an incident that has in very short order sparked a national debate on the very topic—and not coincidentally remains a key piece of Obama’s political platform.

The move to railroad this program through with the aid of major media and an irrefutable barrage of children’s portraits, “heartfelt” platitudes and ostensible tears neutralizes a quest for genuine evidence, reasoned observation and in the case of Newtown honest and responsible law enforcement. Moreover, to suggest that Obama is not capable of deploying such techniques to achieve political ends is to similarly place ones faith in image and interpretation above substance and established fact, the exact inclination that in sum has brought America to such an impasse.
Link - http://memoryholeblog.com/2012/12/24/the-sandy-hook-massacre-unanswered-questions-and-missing-information/


Oh, and if it was just two people who believed in the conspiracy then how did Gene Rosen get so much online harassment? Or Robbie Parker? How about the 'Sandy Hook Exposed' video who Snopes ran an article about here: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp
If no-one else had such thoughts about this event then how do these things happen? Unless these two men, the Shock Jock and the Ambulance Chaser are very prolific on the internet. :hmmm:

[August]

If Tracy wasn't saying that, then why did he say:


Link - http://memoryholeblog.com/2012/12/24/the-sandy-hook-massacre-unanswered-questions-and-missing-information/

Sounds like you're quoting this nut after his admission that something actually did happen at Sandy Hook right? Well perpetrating a hoax versus taking political advantage of an incident are two very different things. Even you can't deny that anti-gun forces have attempted the latter every time there has been an attack. They are even trying to use the San Bernadino terrorist attack to advance their political agenda.

[Oberon]

Here's some more:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/was-the-sandy-hook-shooting-a-gun-control-conspiracy

http://kdvr.com/2015/10/05/strong-stand-on-gun-control-leads-to-calls-for-oregon-college-shooting-sheriff-to-step-down/

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:dailypaul.com+sandy+hook&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=8Kp0VsOQC8fSUca3l8gL

[August]

Here's some more:

http://www.debate.org/opinions/was-the-sandy-hook-shooting-a-gun-control-conspiracy

http://kdvr.com/2015/10/05/strong-stand-on-gun-control-leads-to-calls-for-oregon-college-shooting-sheriff-to-step-down/


https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=site:dailypaul.com+sandy+hook&gws_rd=cr,ssl&ei=8Kp0VsOQC8fSUca3l8gL

One site with anonymous posts and the other two about just two individuals. Like I said, way to try and smear a couple hundred million pro-gun people. :up:

[Oberon]

Sounds like you're quoting this nut after his admission that something actually did happen at Sandy Hook right?

That quote is from the article he wrote on December 24th 2012, ten days after the attack. Calls for his resignation didn't reach the mainstream media until January 9th 2013. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2259754/James-Tracy-Newtown-official-furious-professor-makes-conspiracy-claims-Sandy-Hook-shooting.html)
The thing is, and perhaps using the word 'hoax' in this manner is misleading, but what Tracy believes is not that nothing happened at Sandy Hook, but that an operation took place there in order to advance the governments agenda against gun ownership and the second amendment.

Take a look at his book:
http://rense.com/general96/nobodydied.html


Well perpetrating a hoax versus taking political advantage of an incident are two very different things. Even you can't deny that anti-gun forces have attempted the latter every time there has been an attack. They are even trying to use the San Bernadino terrorist attack to advance their political agenda.

That is as maybe, but that's beyond the remit of this thread, this thread is about a man who believes that the government deliberately orchestrated the event at Sandy Hook in order to advance an anti-gun agenda, and sadly he is not alone in his belief, and even more sadly, people who also think the same way that this man does will harrass parents of the children who died at Sandy Hook and people involved on that terrible day in their quest to get the 'ultimate scoop' to prove that Sandy Hook was a government action.
I dare say similar things happen to people who survived 9/11, they probably also get idiots chasing after them trying to get them to admit it was a cruise missile fired by George Bush in order to raise oil prices for his masters at Halliburton, or some such nonsense. :nope:

[Oberon]

One site with anonymous posts and the other two about just two individuals. Like I said, way to try and smear a couple hundred million pro-gun people. :up:

And where did I link these people with those people?

[August]

And where did I link these people with those people?

The thing is Oberon both sides in just about any debate subject can find negative examples that fit their agendas but that does not mean they are representative of the whole. When you use amorphous terms like "certain people" in a debate as large as gun control you are unfairly stigmatizing millions of people.

[Oberon]

The thing is Oberon both sides in just about any debate subject can find negative examples that fit their agendas but that does not mean they are representative of the whole. When you use amorphous terms like "certain people" in a debate as large as gun control you are unfairly stigmatizing millions of people.

It was an amorphous term, I'll grant that, and I would be lying if I said that my mind didn't add 'right wing nutjobs' after it, but I'll also freely admit that I'm aware of left-wing nutjobs just as numerous as those on the right.
What you might not realise, and that's fair enough because I've often been used as the perfect example of the liberal loon in these parts is that I do not classify all pro-gun members as 'right wing nutjobs', heck, everyones favourite democratic socialist, Bernie Saunders, has come under fire on the left because of his stance on gun control not being strict enough for some.
So honestly when I mean 'certain people', I mean the fringe element, the negative examples more than I mean the whole because I understand the difference between the two. Just like I understand the difference between a normal Muslim and a radical Muslim, which is another point where you can find plenty of negative examples in order to unfair stigmatize millions, no, billions of people, but of course, that's for a different topic and I don't want to run this thread into an iceberg like the other one. :haha: :03:

I know why you're jumpy, you expect the same blowback when some nutjob goes amuck with a gun in a school or something that I expect when some radical Muslim nutjob goes amuck.

It's hard work being a moderate, eh? :03: