Japan says screw the International Court

[eddie]

They are going to do research whaling despite being told by the International Court that its research whaling is a front for Japanese businesses. They will do research from Dec1 until March of next year. Guess they think they can do whatever they want.:nope:

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/asiapacific/2015/11/30/japan--research--ships-sail-for-antarctic.html

[ikalugin]

Well atleast they won't be doing it in Russian waters, as we would sink their ships.

[Betonov]

Now we just need to tell the whales to winter in Vladivostok.

If they want whale meat so much they should start breeding them, not just hunting. They're Japaneese, if someone can figure how to breed whales it should be them.

[eddie]

Well atleast they won't be doing it in Russian waters, as we would sink their ships.

:haha::yeah:

[Commander Wallace]

They are going to do research whaling despite being told by the International Court that its research whaling is a front for Japanese businesses. They will do research from Dec1 until March of next year. Guess they think they can do whatever they want.:nope:

http://www.skynews.com.au/news/world/asiapacific/2015/11/30/japan--research--ships-sail-for-antarctic.html

Well, if the ships are sunk, I guess the sharks will be doing some research as well between Dec and March of next year .

:gulp:

[Jimbuna]

Slap an embargo or additional tax on their electrical products and let them decide which is the most beneficial option.

[Moonlight]

What's the difference between humans hunting whales for meat or blubber and humans hunting bears, foxes, elk, moose, lion or any other animal you can think of for sport.?:hmph:

[Commander Wallace]

What's the difference between humans hunting whales for meat or blubber and humans hunting bears, foxes, elk, moose, lion or any other animal you can think of for sport.?:hmph:

Whales and Lions are being hunted into extinction for one. :shifty:

[Skybird]

The irony is that I know for a certain that it is a cliché that all Japanese eat whale meat, like all Germans eating Sauerkraut. Most Germans do not like Sauerkraut and could not care less for it (this food is an improvised necessity from times of emergency and suffering, not a delicatesse) , and something similar is true for whale meat and Japanese - for especially younger Japanese, it means little. Most do not like the taste (it tastes awful, by the way, I once got a bite of it), and it is private nationalist lobbies and conservative politicians even spending money on keeping a propaganda machinery spinning in advocating that it is so vital for Japanese interest to have access to whale hunting. This is about nationalist pride and stupid stubborness (they think they would lose their face if giving up whaling), and a bit about a few - a very few - jobs a in the whaling industry - a small group, but being incredibly loud.

[Betonov]

Great, so Slovenes are the only nation that considers sauerkraut a delicacy.

[Schroeder]

Great, so Slovenes are the only nation that considers sauerkraut a delicacy.
Darn, now I want Kasseler with Sauerkraut...:88)

[Catfish]

Great, so Slovenes are the only nation that considers sauerkraut a delicacy.

You .. do? Really ? :o

[Betonov]

You .. do? Really ? :o

We have a dish called zaseka, which is diced bacon with pork fat spread over bread and then sauerkraut on it. I love it.

[Rockstar]

We have a dish called zaseka, which is diced bacon with pork fat spread over bread and then sauerkraut on it. I love it.


I usually make it as a side dish. Drain, rinse, repeat if necessary. Then add some caraway seeds, diced apples and cook it up. Let it sit in fridge over night for flavors to meld, not bad.

But it certainly isnt something I make or eat often.

[Rockstar]

Great, so Slovenes are the only nation that considers sauerkraut a delicacy.

Just you and Italians. :D

[STEED]

They have been using that loop hole for years!

What does it take to close it?

[Platapus]

Japan putting their own national interests above the International Criminal Court???

Who do they think they are? The United States?

Although the United States is not a party to the I.C.C.’s Statute, the Obama administration has been prepared to support the court’s prosecutions and provide assistance in response to specific requests from the I.C.C. prosecutor and other court officials, consistent with U.S. law, when it is in U.S. national interest to do so.

http://www.state.gov/j/gcj/icc/

[eddie]

I guess we shouldn't say anything about what the Japanese are doing with their stinking damned research!! I'd have no problem telling them where to stick their damned research after seeing things like this!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v138/Thony/safe_image.php_zpscehyniqs.jpg (http://smg.photobucket.com/user/Thony/media/safe_image.php_zpscehyniqs.jpg.html)

Maybe it doesn't bother you as to what they are doing, but it bothers a lot of us! I'd love to see the Aussies do some torpedo research to find out how many it would take to sink their ships!!:rock:

[swamprat69er]

Just you and Italians. :D
And the odd Canuck and a Brit as well. But she may be deranged, she came here from Sheffield.

[Oberon]

I think that it's been a bit too long since the US Navy has had a chance to play with Japanese shipping...I'm sure some ambitious sub skipper out there wants to be able to beat O'Kanes score. :03:

[swamprat69er]

I think that it's been a bit too long since the US Navy has had a chance to play with Japanese shipping...I'm sure some ambitious sub skipper out there wants to be able to beat O'Kanes score. :03:
Some how I don't think we need WW3 here.

[Oberon]

Some how I don't think we need WW3 here.

Spoil sport. :O:

[swamprat69er]

Remember the last two world wars, the ones that started it ended up losing and Canada is too close to the USA. If they start one we Canucks would get lumped in with the 'Mericans.

[Oberon]

Remember the last two world wars, the ones that started it ended up losing and Canada is too close to the USA. If they start one we Canucks would get lumped in with the 'Mericans.

You could always invade America when they're not expecting it, mass forward deployment of Justin Beiber and Shania Twain, you'd get some resistance from Miley Cyrus, but I think that Beiber could win the war of attrition there. :yep:

[swamprat69er]

If you were to remember your history, we along with the natives and Britain already invaded after they came up here to start trouble. We toasted the white house.

I think he has about wore out his welcome in the 'States.

[Oberon]

I think he has about wore out his welcome on the planet.

Fixed that for you. :03:

[swamprat69er]

Fixed that for you. :03:
Thank you.:up:

[Aktungbby]

I think that it's been a bit too long since the US Navy has had a chance to play with Japanese shipping...I'm sure some ambitious sub skipper out there wants to be able to beat O'Kanes score. :03:
HUH! We've more than held our own!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehime_Maru_and_USS_Greeneville_collision https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/4/45/EhimeMaru.jpg/325px-EhimeMaru.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EhimeMaru.jpg)https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4c/Ehime_Maru_divers.jpg/230px-Ehime_Maru_divers.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ehime_Maru_divers.jpg)

[Betonov]

Just you and Italians. :D

Just us. The Italians hate cabbage. During WW2 partisans used home made catapults to throw cabbage heads against an Italian brigade, instant rout.

[Reece]

Great, so Slovenes are the only nation that considers sauerkraut a delicacy.
I hate sauerkraut, my parents forced me to eat it when I was a child, until I thew up!!:yep:

[Betonov]

I hate sauerkraut, my parents forced me to eat it when I was a child, until I thew up!!:yep:

That's the reason I hate half the food in this country :nope:
Forced to eat it when I was young.

You know sauerkraut is not the biggest cultural shock about this country, we love to boil it before eating it. And that is one thing I can't touch. I'd rather eat pine bark :nope:

[STEED]

Let GREENPEACE loose on them and look the other way.

As suggested on the radio talking about this.

[August]

Let GREENPEACE loose on them and look the other way.

As suggested on the radio talking about this.

Will they still also look the other way when a Greenpeace ship gets itself damaged or sunk? Because you know that Japanese aren't going to just take it from those nuts.

[Oberon]

Could always arm Greenpeace. :hmmm: Some of the mothballed ships in the USN would do the job. :yep:

[Betonov]

Could always arm Greenpeace. :hmmm: Some of the mothballed ships in the USN would do the job. :yep:

After the stunt they pulled with Nazca lines I'm affraid they'd shell the great Buddha statue of kamakura

[Oberon]

After the stunt they pulled with Nazca lines I'm affraid they'd shell the great Buddha statue of kamakura

https://media.giphy.com/media/Ow59c0pwTPruU/giphy.gif

[STEED]

Will they still also look the other way when a Greenpeace ship gets itself damaged or sunk? Because you know that Japanese aren't going to just take it from those nuts.

Good point.

Could always arm Greenpeace. :hmmm: Some of the mothballed ships in the USN would do the job. :yep:

Should make for some rather interesting news.

[Oberon]

In all seriousness though, warships may well be the only way to go, for vessels using nets there are net cutters, we know this from the Cod Wars, but for vessels using harpoons, that's a bit harder. Perhaps patrols on known and suspected Japanese whalers in Antarctic waters with boarding and inspecting. Shouldn't need a major naval deployment, a handful of ships from the USN, RN, and French Navy could do the trick. Although in the case of the RN, a handful of ships is about all we actually have at the moment... :shifty:

But yes, anti-whaling patrols similar to the anti-trafficking and anti-piracy patrols already being undertaken. It'll tie up resources, but there's not much naval action at the moment, aside from TLAM firing at Syria which can be left to the subs.

[August]

It'll tie up resources, but there's not much naval action at the moment, aside from TLAM firing at Syria which can be left to the subs.

Naval patrols cost money. Who would pay for this multi-national effort?

[Oberon]

Naval patrols cost money. Who would pay for this multi-national effort?

Members of the International Whaling Commission.

[Rockstar]

Members of the International Whaling Commission.


And when all the whaling ships are seized or sunk. What becomes of the International Whaling Commission?

The IWC needs those whaling ships.

[Betonov]

Confiscate the boats, hide GPS trackers, sell to Daesh, wait a few days, bomb, confiscate again, sell scrap to India.

[Oberon]

And when all the whaling ships are seized or sunk. What becomes of the International Whaling Commission?

The IWC needs those whaling ships.

The only ships that would be seized or sunk would be those breaking the law as established by the IWC.
Of course, establishing that a crime has been committed would be the difficult part and thus would require a slightly more exact definition or limitation on how many whales each ship is allowed to kill 'for research'. Otherwise you get a Japanese whaler with a few dozen corpses on them and the Japanese saying "We couldn't get research any other way." :O:

[swamprat69er]

Japanese saying "We couldn't get research any other way." :O:
私たちは、他の方法を研究することができませんでした。

[Oberon]

That or the boat will transform into a giant mecha and stomp the patrol vessel. :hmmm:

[nikimcbee]

Confiscate the boats, hide GPS trackers, sell to Daesh, wait a few days, bomb, confiscate again, sell scrap to India.
OMFG,:har::har::har::salute:
Post of the year.

[nikimcbee]

I hate sauerkraut, my parents forced me to eat it when I was a child, until I thew up!!:yep:

:haha: You probably deserved it!
Reece, eat your Sauerkraut, there are starving kids in Germany!

[nikimcbee]

Great, so Slovenes are the only nation that considers sauerkraut a delicacy.

No shame in that.

Darn, now I want Kasseler with Sauerkraut...:88)
Looks good!
http://www.kootstra.de/galerie/kasseler.jpg

We have a dish called zaseka, which is diced bacon with pork fat spread over bread and then sauerkraut on it. I love it.

Here's my fav. but I like the sauerkraut cold.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/ae/fa/b3/aefab3f1d62a792e7a43442d1ee9a3bf.jpg



And just for Betonov...
Bratchos!
http://media.bizj.us/view/img/3677241/bratchos*750xx688-387-0-57.jpg

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/2014/08/21/packers-horse-collar-sandwich/

[swamprat69er]

Bratwurst smothered in sauerkraut in a wiener bun
with lots of hot pepper rings. Yummy!

[nikimcbee]

Bratwurst smothered in sauerkraut in a wiener bun
with lots of hot pepper rings. Yummy!

[checks "like" button.]

[Betonov]

And just for Betonov...
Bratchos!
http://media.bizj.us/view/img/3677241/bratchos*750xx688-387-0-57.jpg

http://www.sportressofblogitude.com/2014/08/21/packers-horse-collar-sandwich/

Looks good, apart from the fried sauerkraut :oops:
I preffer mine raw :O:

[swamprat69er]

Looks good, apart from the fried sauerkraut :oops:
I preffer mine raw :O:
mine too.

[nikimcbee]

The canned stuff is just nasty.

[Reece]

Never tried it and never will, sounds more like a can of puke!!:dead:

[swamprat69er]

It is only cabbage.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, since this has turned into just another food thread, and no one is discussing the issue...

[Sailor Steve]

Okay, it's open again. Let's try to stay at least sort of on topic, please.

[Aktungbby]

Well, since this has turned into just another food thread, and no one is discussing the issue...http://www.ryot.org/iceland-shipping-1700-tons-whale-meat-japan/934494 We gotta quit pickin' on the 'yellow peril'! There are accomplice$...http://d3819ii77zvwic.cloudfront.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/whaling.jpgbecomes...sushi: raw whale meat http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/frimg/8/25/825393.jpg (http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/frimg/8/25/825393.jpg)http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/07/20/iceland_tops_up_japan_whale_meat_stocks/ (http://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/07/20/iceland_tops_up_japan_whale_meat_stocks/)

See you can have a discussion and a sort of food!:O:

[Betonov]

Hunting any animal that cannot be bred by humans should be illegal. Science, food or sport.

[Jimbuna]

Hunting any animal that cannot be bred by humans should be illegal. Science, food or sport.

I tend to agree.

[Aktungbby]

Hunting any animal that cannot be bred by humans should be illegal. Science, food or sport.

I tend to agree.
Good thought: bad idea. Certain animals never should have been where they are now such as feral hogs in California or goats munching the natural habitat of the beautiful Hawaiian islands. Bison on reservations or National parks such as Yellowstone; concerns about brucellosis which can be spread by bison, elk and other wildlife. This has been the main focus of heated debates. However there is also a fear of bison competing with cattle for grass on public lands which ranchers have enjoyed. :hmmm: Then there's this little rascal: http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/europe/nazi-raccoons-on-the-rampage-as-european-population-explodes (http://www.thenational.ae/news/world/europe/nazi-raccoons-on-the-rampage-as-european-population-explodes) http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/23/man-v-raccoon-only-one-winner (http://www.theguardian.com/world/shortcuts/2013/jul/23/man-v-raccoon-only-one-winner) http://cdn4.spiegel.de/images/image-384097-galleryV9-rsbw-384097.jpg (http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photos-on-raccoon-invasion-in-germany-fotostrecke-85627-4.html) "A high five bro"http://cdn2.spiegel.de/images/image-198451-galleryV9-chcn-198451.jpg (http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/photos-on-raccoon-invasion-in-germany-fotostrecke-85627-5.html)

[Betonov]

Germany has the same hunting system in place as Slovenia. Which means that 11 month of a year hunters make population counts and determine the number to be shot and then they cull the population to a stable level with a focus on old and weak animals.
The rise in racoon hunts means the population is growing a bit too fast for a stable population. I'm actually all for that. I'd rather see some more predators introduced to keep the population in check though.

unlike racoons
http://eng.atvinnuvegaraduneyti.is/media/hvalamal/World-nature-population.png

Luckily most countries figured that synthetic and petrol based products that used to be made from whales are cheaper and better and numbers began to rise again.

[Aktungbby]

I'd rather see some more predators introduced to keep the population in check though.

"WE has met the predator and it is us!"Well where 'coons is concerned... us'n ol buckskinners are bringin' this back into style...we even had TV shows like Danial Boonehttp://pix-media.s3.amazonaws.com/blog/834/ScreenShot2014-10-13at11.59.27AM.png and I had one as a kid myself-complete with daisy air rifle! My first real shooter was a self-made Kentucky Long-rifle kit now in the hands of a nephew hunting deer in Utah!: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/eb/8c/72/eb8c72b0a42d9ab866c6b011d2877bc2.jpg https://americanhistory.si.edu/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/Crockett%20childs%20cap%20b.jpg?itok=-ZS79fLtConsidering what happen'd to the beaver(near extinction) due to 1800's European fashion: Beaver-felt hats practically settled the West ( giving rise to a medical expression **) as the great rivers became 'trapped out'. Naturally in Germany, with ol 'Shatterhand and Winnematu' (Hitler's favorite frontier stories) there should be no problem with das Koon-Koncept!:huh: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/f2/83/92/f283923e6dea1fb024bddbf922f83b01.jpg UPDATE: On the Napa River recently within two miles of my home... Resurrection..B DAMMED!https://baynature.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/beaveregretfriends-1024x682.jpg **Mad as a hatter" is a colloquial phrase used in conversation to refer to a crazy person. In 18th and 19th century England, mercury (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_(element)) was used in the production of felt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felt), which was used in the manufacturing of hats common of the time. People who patronised these hat factories were exposed daily to trace amounts of the metal, which accumulated within their bodies over time, causing some workers to develop dementia caused by mercury poisoning (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning) (called mad hatter syndrome (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mad_hatter_syndrome)). Thus, the phrase became popular as a way to refer to someone who was perceived as insane. THAT"S a lotta dead beavers BBY!

[Betonov]

I preffer my rabbit skin ushanka.
Even if that rabbit skin is artificial.

[Platapus]

Hunting any animal that cannot be bred by humans should be illegal. Science, food or sport.

I personally think that animals need to breed among their own species. :D

A human breeding a whale? I don't think you could do it.

https://s3-eu5.ixquick.com/cgi-bin/serveimage?url=http%3A%2F%2Fhermanustours.files.wo rdpress.com%2F2011%2F05%2Fwhale-mating1.jpg&sp=0908e7f4820bacaab0644e62b05d1fc6

But seriously, what's the difference between killing a wild animal and killing a domesticated animal? I don't think I would agree with whale ranches either.

To me it is not that the Japanese are killing wild whales that upsets me, it is the fact that they are killing whales that upsets me.

[Jimbuna]

Well, since this has turned into just another food thread, and no one is discussing the issue...

Okay, it's open again. Let's try to stay at least sort of on topic, please.

Despite the above, we now see the introduction of raccoons, beavers, buckskinners and heaven only knows what else (I don't have the will to read everything, thankfully).

Please don't bother complaining and bringing moderators actions into question when notice has been served so often in the past and repeatedly ignored.