Beautiful Sailing Ships

[CaptainRamius]

The Age of Sail is long over, but sailing ships still remain beautiful in their own way. The way the bow breaks over the waves and the ensign flying at the stern, it makes my heart melt.
Who else thinks that sailing ships are beautiful, even when compared to today's yachts?

[Aktungbby]

YER full of it! sailing ships are ugly man!:arrgh!: but then...I tend to see issues in Black and white...er orange:salute: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d8/Colombian_Training_Ship_ARC_%22Gloria%22.jpg/800px-Colombian_Training_Ship_ARC_%22Gloria%22.jpg

[CaptainRamius]

YER full of it! sailing ships are ugly man!:arrgh!: but then...I tend to see issues in Black and white...er orange:salute:

I hope your kidding :D

[Commander Wallace]

Beautiful Ship .:up:

[Aktungbby]

I hope your kidding :D

I'm in the Galley on the laptop as we speak...shop-vaccin' the rain-water outta the bilge and restorin' the teak table. At:subsim: some of us 'talk the talk' ...and 'sail the sail'... I would say 'walk the walk' but I fell through the open sliding hatch two weeks ago:down: (sober, I swear), hoisting a wind-driven mainsail; The (totally destroyed) galley table which broke my 6' 240lb fall and turned most of me purple left no bones broken (padded life jacket and thick-gauge plastic skullcap for boom-hits:up:) after a trip to the hospital for x-ray'd lacerations, contusions. That's the CA Maritime Academy Golden Bear training ship(my nephew is enrolled) and Mare Island in the background https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=8420https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=11928(and occasionally use the marina's really big shopvac...for those really critical tasks.:03:)

[Eichhörnchen]

http://i.imgur.com/62syjwO.png?1

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Four brave British crews thought: "THIS is an Ugly sight": History's #1 Frigate (as per post 1's French frigate) and still shootn' and (rarely) under her own power! (winds over 5 mph or she won't move but under 15 mph she's too old for more) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/US_Navy_110704-N-AU127-185_USS_Constitution_fires_a_21-gun_salute_toward_Fort_Independence_on_Castle_Isla nd.jpg/1024px-US_Navy_110704-N-AU127-185_USS_Constitution_fires_a_21-gun_salute_toward_Fort_Independence_on_Castle_Isla nd.jpghttp://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/120819102604-uss-constitution-05-horizontal-large-gallery.jpg

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

I saw this nice looking sloop (it's a sloop of war I think) while I was in Conway, Wales back a few years ago. I also have a photo of a single decked two masted ship docked next to the HMS Belfast but it photo is quite bad.

http://s6.postimg.org/5eo1hj2ip/Europe_Trip_265.jpg

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Beautiful! but as the foremast is shorter (as also on a brig)than the mainmast AND there are two gaff rig masts What ya got there is a magnificent square rigged Schooner. At least two headsails to the bowsprit and possibly three. the typical schooner has only two, with the foremast shorter than the mainmast. There may be a bowsprit to help balance the rig. The principal issue with a schooner sail plan (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sail_plan) is how to fill the space between the two masts most effectively. Traditional schooners were gaff rigged (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaff_rigged),https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/49/Shenandoah_lying_on_her_anchor_in_Vineyard_Haven%2 7s_Outer_Harbor.jpg/220px-Shenandoah_lying_on_her_anchor_in_Vineyard_Haven%2 7s_Outer_Harbor.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Shenandoah_lying_on_her_anchor_in_Vineyard_Ha ven%27s_Outer_Harbor.jpg) <Schooner The brig also has the shorter foremast but is not double gaffed(with two booms)>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a4/Brig_Niagara_full_sail.jpg/300px-Brig_Niagara_full_sail.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brig_Niagara_full_sail.jpg)The brigantine, also two masted, has a fully rigged foremast, generally of equal height>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c2/Brigantine_copperEtch.png/300px-Brigantine_copperEtch.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Brigantine_copperEtch.png) definitely not a sloop-of-war such as USS Constellation>https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/77/USS_Constellation_1.jpeg/300px-USS_Constellation_1.jpeg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Constellation_1.jpeg)It's all a little confusing and I can't keep track of it (all that different rigging) myself:timeout: No wonder they called it 'learning the ropes':know:

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Ah, I guess I got confussed between the differences of sloop and schooner. Really I don't know a lot about ships from the days of sail, speaking of I found this buried deep in my screenshot archives from a campaign I did in NTW.
http://s6.postimg.org/qtxsl0jnl/Stormy_Naval_Battle.jpg

[CaptainRamius]

Four brave British crews thought: "THIS is an Ugly sight": History's #1 Frigate (as per post 1's French frigate) and still shootn' and (rarely) under her own power! (winds over 5 mph or she won't move but under 15 mph she's too old for more)

Aye, she's a beautiful ship. Lived 30 minutes away from her once, had a sleep out on the USS Constellation. Was great fun, especially firing the cannon at party boats:D

[Sailor Steve]

Ah, I guess I got confussed between the differences of sloop and schooner.
Actually there is a difference in terminology between the rig and the hull, especially when dealing in naval designations.

A sloop rig has a single mast.

If it has two masts and they're fore-and-aft rigged, then it's a schooner. If both masts are square rigged then it's a brig. If the foremast is square rigged and the after mast is fore-and-aft, then it's a brigantine.

On the other hand a brig hull has the guns along the weather deck but also has raised fore and after castles. A sloop has all the guns on the weather deck and no raised decks. The vessel pictured would be described in an 18th century navy as a brig-rigged sloop. And yes, it's a sloop-of-war.

[CaptainRamius]

I've got myself a successful thread here :D
Great photos, guys!

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And yes, it's a sloop-of-war.
:D YER IN A 'pickle' now SIR!:woot: She's the HMS PICKLE Representation of HMS Pickle (1800) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Pickle_(1800)), A Baltic Trading Schooner built in Russia as Alevtina Tuy. Used for charters and at the various bicentennial Trafalgar celebrations in the UK. based at Conwy Wales. The original was a 'topsail schooner'. Pickle was at the Battle of Trafalgar (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Trafalgar), and though she was too small to take part in the fighting, Pickle was the first ship to bring the news of Nelson's (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horatio_Nelson) victory to Great Britain (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Britain). She also participated in a notable single-ship action (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Single_ship_action) when she captured the French privateer Favorite in 1807. Originally with six guns later with 8 12-pounder carronades; which precludes any brig sloop consideration as those (2) types had far greater firepower. of the Cruizer class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cruizer-class_brig-sloop) (18 guns) and the Cherokee class (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cherokee-class_brig-sloop) (10 guns). The brig rig was economical of manpower (important given Britain's chronic shortfall in trained seamen relative to the demands of the wartime fleet) and when armed with carronades (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carronade) (32-pounders in the Cruizers, 18-pounders in the Cherokees) they had the highest ratio of firepower to tonnage of any ships in the Royal Navy Quite a little warrior!!! More of a make-do schooner privateer actually. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Pickle_(1800 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Pickle_(1800))
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/HMSPicklereplica.jpg/1024px-HMSPicklereplica.jpg(only two head sails)

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BAY area Schooners: ALMA-built 1891 gaff'd with top sails;http://www.nps.gov/safr/learn/historyculture/images/Alma_underway_688px.jpgMARTHA-built 1907 lower foremast & two ungaff'd boom'd aft-sails=schooner no top'sails on Martha . A schooner w/o topsails is 'bald headed schooner'. Gaff'd schooners, while very esthetic, require dual halyards and much adjusting while underway; modern versions are simpler with single halyards; a serious consideration for old sailors taken to falling through hatchways...:doh: The sail gloves (my previous post) are completely shot after two months on just a single-mast sloop rig Catalina.:arrgh!:http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/37/03/73/8142539/3/920x920.jpgTHIS ONE has it all: SV SEASHELL Holland-1920 http://www.sailingshipadventures.com/displaypages/admin/VesselManagement/VesselImages/dt_F0_0400_0300_seashellwebsite.jpgGaff rigged, square rigged, and top sails!(5,500 square feet of sail)

[Eichhörnchen]

I went on board the USS Constellation back in 1982 on a visit to the US Baltimore Harbour, as I recall)

http://i.imgur.com/c0Bea6Z.jpg


I posted this pic before of the replica Endeavour on The Haven, leaving Boston to sail out into The Wash here in East Anglia.

[Rhodes]

Our Navy school ship:
http://www.apfn.pt/images/slider_img2.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/N.R.P._Sagres,_navio-escola._For%C3%A7as_Armadas_Marinha_Portuguesa..jp g
N.R.P Sagres

Another training ship:

http://creoula.marinha.pt/pt/PublishingImages/entrada.jpg
N.T.M Creoula, 4 masted schooner (?, uncertain of the translation) from our cod fishing times.

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Actually there is a difference in terminology between the rig and the hull, especially when dealing in naval designations.

A sloop rig has a single mast.

If it has two masts and they're fore-and-aft rigged, then it's a schooner. If both masts are square rigged then it's a brig. If the foremast is square rigged and the after mast is fore-and-aft, then it's a brigantine.

On the other hand a brig hull has the guns along the weather deck but also has raised fore and after castles. A sloop has all the guns on the weather deck and no raised decks. The vessel pictured would be described in an 18th century navy as a brig-rigged sloop. And yes, it's a sloop-of-war. See, that is where things get really confussing to someone with little knowladge of sailing ships, like how with sloops theres the sloop, the Bermuda sloop, the Jamaican sloop and the Sloop of War. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloop

@Rhodes I googled the name of the four masted sailing ship that's in the third picture you posted and that ship isn't a schooner but a lugger and it's also used these days as training ship in the Portaguese Navy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAM_Creoula

[Rhodes]

@Rhodes I googled the name of the four masted sailing ship that's in the third picture you posted and that ship isn't a schooner but a lugger and it's also used these days as training ship in the Portaguese Navy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UAM_Creoula

Damn google translation! Yes, our term is lugre = lugger. But the site give me 4 masted schooner.
In my sig, I have photos of her sister ship, S. Maria Manuela!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/16416646@N05/albums/72157637665649856

[CaptainRamius]

Damn google translation! Yes, our term is lugre = lugger. But the site give me 4 masted schooner.

Doesn't matter. We all make mistakes (we're only human) and websites do too :D

[Eichhörnchen]

We're only what?

[CaptainRamius]

We're only what?

Human. Except for you. Your a squirrel :D

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Enough Schooners already! now we come to ...Ketches!:up: where the shorter mast is to the rear:woot:THis one actually motors past me and shoots real cannon. The Hawaiian Chieftain off Suausalito CA https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/cd/8c/8d/cd8c8df6b94735940f9814efc358d090.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/6c/30/4c/6c304c2ea86c8e904657b0cc4d359f0f.jpghttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/b2/4f/34/b24f34c2590462c36949f7b30e8b2fab.jpg(just so ya'll can "learn the ropes" (Hey those are 'lines' there's no ropes on a sailing ship or so I'm reminded often) :arrgh!:

[fireftr18]

This is a picture of the ship my wife and I were on for our honeymoon. SV Mandalay from Windjammer cruises. :arrgh!:

http://i1168.photobucket.com/albums/r496/fireftr18/Mandalay_zpsjbqkfu98.jpg (http://s1168.photobucket.com/user/fireftr18/media/Mandalay_zpsjbqkfu98.jpg.html)

I forget the exact dimensions. I do remember most cruise ships are wider than this one is long.

[CaptainRamius]

You guys have got some beautiful ships! :up:

[Catfish]

Learning the ropes is really something special..
Nice thread :D

I claim to have known it almost all some ten years ago, but lack of practice and too much work blew some of it out of my head :-?
Also, german and english definitions are sometimes a bit confusing (Bullen, Bulin etc.), also dutch with its Haanepooten..

The Corvette defnition imho is a ship with a straight-through deck without forecastle or quarterdeck, and regardless of rigging. But it could also be a Brigantine, since pirates used to saw off any fore or rear decks, for better accessability. :arrgh!:

[CaptainRamius]

Learning the ropes is really something special..
Nice thread :D

It's a great thread. My favorite :woot:

[CaptainRamius]

Enough Schooners already! now we come to ...Ketches!

The Hawaiin chieftain is a beautiful ship. Her lines are gorgeous, but I still prefer the Niagara and the Pride of Baltimore 2. :D

I went on board the USS Constellation back in 1982 on a visit to the US Baltimore Harbour, as I recall)

http://i.imgur.com/c0Bea6Z.jpg


I posted this pic before of the replica Endeavour on The Haven, leaving Boston to sail out into The Wash here in East Anglia.

Another great ship. The replicas are the most detailed, and IMO, the best. Just me though :yeah:

[Gargamel]

I kinda lean towards AK's mindset here. While the grand square rigs of yore are majestic, they're slow and clunky. The "modern" sailing yacht is the way to go:

The J boat: (from the 1920's, but in the grand scheme of things, modern):

http://sailing.co.za/gybeset/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/rolex-maxi-3-js-31442_0_2_photo_MAXI14cb_02361.jpg


VOR 65 One design, for the volvo ocean race. Races around the globe, these boats were so perfectly matched that even after circling the globe, the winning margin was only a few minutes:

http://www.yachtworld.com/boat-content/files/2014/01/Team-SCA-VO65.jpg

Then there's the AC72, the first big (and probably the last for a while) foiling racing cat, used in the last America's cup, which was a witness to the greatest comeback ever in sport. These things would do 50mph+, barely touching the water, with a "sail" the size of a 737 wing:

http://blog.sfgate.com/americascup/files/2013/09/pedrick-ac72-technology-a-moon-shot.jpg

But then there's the tiny, the Moth class. Reportedly one of the hardest boats (small enough it doesn't qualify as a ship anymore) to handle. Pictures don't do these justice, look some up on youtube:

http://www.thedailysail.com/files/article_images/_MG_3420_620.jpg

http://static-sailfeed.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Moth.jpg

[Gargamel]

Then there's this hideous thing, the White Pearl. Reportedly to be the largest sailing vessel ever:

http://www.cruisingworld.com/sites/cruisingworld.com/files/styles/large_1x_/public/images/2015/09/whitepearl162_v-vierspaltig.jpg?itok=ILEQTOzV

Just recently launched, it's still under going sea trials, so I'm having difficulty finding pictures of it under sail, but it's still hideous.

But if the owner would happen to gift me one, I'd hardly say no.

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^You're 17 days behind ME BBY:Dhttp://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2357346#post2357346 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2357346#post2357346) I want one too! Sometimes $8 million hi-tech things get a little out of hand...besides falling through hatches:wah: http://ww3.hdnux.com/photos/15/60/16/3605386/3/1024x1024.jpghttp://www.terragalleria.com/images/us-ca/usca57517.jpeg

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http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/3149491/TSS_036_FastBoat_Segment_A.Still006.jpg"Imagine taking your Camaro, and taking the 300-horsepower motor out and putting a 3,000-horsepower motor in the same car," "That’s what these guys do every day." At 43 knots, the catamaran can sail its entire 72-foot length in a single second — nearly four times faster than the 2007 class. The massive sail generates 7 tons of force, lifting the hull out of the water until the boat’s only connection to the water is a thin hydrofoil known as a daggerboard. Sailors on the Oracle crew say the experience of being on an AC72 as it flies up out of the water is exhilarating.:timeout:

[nikimcbee]

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10376079_4260049516956_4769403351305257677_n.jpg?o h=29ac717d4dba6520a997a1b874b283db&oe=56D77200

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10991303_10200235800895183_1500269198015477374_n.j pg?oh=aa1bf09f5e9d3fd8f7f19bff23ecd842&oe=56DEA4FD

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/12094982_10200961015025083_8661191236538188546_o.j pg

[AVGWarhawk]

A friend of mine is part owner of Island Windjammer. He was also an enginemen on the USS Diablo.

This is one of the vessels:

https://scontent.fash1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/t31.0-8/11807773_10153405455310469_9011864508333066933_o.j pg

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Enough Schooners already! now we come to ...Ketches!:up: where the shorter mast is to the rear:woot:

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xft1/v/t1.0-9/10376079_4260049516956_4769403351305257677_n.jpg?o h=29ac717d4dba6520a997a1b874b283db&oe=56D77200




^Nice Ketch!:yeah:this one's been drivin' me nuts: a 1979 44' German Frer design classic ketch w/2 staterooms; huge sail inventory; Perkins engine. Wife says if I buy it I'll have to live on it!:timeout: http://latitude38.com/classifieds/uploads/img_classy_576/12402__2015-09-15_2885_44F&C4046NEW.jpgYes dear! :smug:

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HOW to fall through a hatchway https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/5a/02/28/5a0228deb2758c2fdd268c0f3593aa4a.jpgWith plenty of opportunity! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9d/c9/cf/9dc9cf688c438fb32b5650ba36d4fa66.jpg<PS: that's how it's supposed to look (real canvas)IMHO!

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Pride of the San Francisco Maritime Museum Clyde-built 1886 Full rigged ship : BALCLUTHA (Formerly Star of Alaska) https://promptlings.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/balclutah-2.jpg1929-departing San Francisco Bay https://promptlings.files.wordpress.com/2015/06/balclutha-1.jpg< and today-been aboard her countless times. http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/pwr/park/safr/03B4E1C4-155D-4519-3E2045AE8B68A6BD/03B4E1C4-155D-4519-3E2045AE8B68A6BD-large.jpgRescued as Pacific Queen from a mud flat 1952http://www.nps.gov/common/uploads/photogallery/pwr/park/safr/03B9234A-155D-4519-3EE318EAF27D9AB6/03B9234A-155D-4519-3EE318EAF27D9AB6-large.jpg

[U505995]

The HMS Rose Replica used in the film Master and Commander.
http://www.hull.ac.uk/mhsc/FarHorizons/images/hms_rose.gif

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The HMS Rose Replica used in the film Master and Commander.
http://www.hull.ac.uk/mhsc/FarHorizons/images/hms_rose.gifhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b4/HMS-Surprise-overall.jpgThe ship has officially been re-registered as HMS Surprise in honor of her role in the film. Now at the San Diego maritime Musem as per nikimcbee's pic (above) No degrading 'mudflat' hiatus for her thank heavens! I'm still shaken by the needless loss of completely($3.6million) restored Bounty off Carolina in 2012 with loss of life. Built from scratch by MGM for 1962 movie Mutiny on the Bounty:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/HMS_Bounty_II.jpg/800px-HMS_Bounty_II.jpg https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/Bounty_Sinking_2012.jpgnot P.O.S.H.

[bertieck476]

Im liking this thread, when I get a moment I'll post some pics of my pride and joy, a essex smack.

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Im liking this thread, when I get a moment I'll post some pics of my pride and joy, a essex smack.

It smacks of a plot BBY: "HEY bertieck hasn't posted in awhile....:hmmm: Well, we'll just hafta' start his kind of thread...!" :yeah::ping:

[CaptainRamius]

Im liking this thread, when I get a moment I'll post some pics of my pride and joy, a essex smack.

It's my first successful thread! Yay! :D

[U505995]

The Denis Sullivan is a schooner that is based off the ones that plied the great lakes trade routs. She is a fine looking vessel under sail.
http://cdn.discoveryworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sv-denis.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Pride of Baltimore 2:

http://www.gregpease.com/data/photos/686_1r1_pease_r6a9256_9159_9249_20120611_gpp.jpg

http://www.gregpeasephoto.com/data/photos/742_1pcg468_sm.jpg

Schooner Virginia and Pride of Baltimore:

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium-large-5/schooner-virginia-and-pride-of-baltemore-mikael-carstanjen.jpg

[U505995]

The French Frigate Hermione replica is another one of my favorites. I have a love for frigates in particular and this one is a beauty.
https://c.o0bg.com/rf/image_960w/Boston/2011-2020/2015/04/18/BostonGlobe.com/National/Images/Par8151609.jpg
The replica of the HMS Endeavor is another one that is rather easy on the eyes.
https://photos.travelblog.org/Photos/4964/18221/f/82346-HMS-Endeavour-1.jpg

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The Denis Sullivan is a schooner that is based off the ones that plied the great lakes trade routs. She is a fine looking vessel under sail.
http://cdn.discoveryworld.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/sv-denis.jpg
The Great Lakes! that would include Duluth, Minnesota!:yeah:
Brings to mind a great mystery: what happened to the 'Schooner of Hamm's atop San Francisco's HAMM's Brewery? U could navigate by it at night as it was the largest neon sign on the west coast. In college we always ordered our HAMM's beer by the schooner...:Kaleun_Cheers:if you ordered a 'glass' we knew you were a cheesehead Packer fan! http://blog.sfgate.com/thebigevent/wp-content/blogs.dir/2328/files/hamms-brewery-1954/hamms_three-new.jpgIf the Hamm’s Brewery schooner has been melted down to slag, then let us find that fact out for sure and have a proper burial (http://2488hughes.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/pour-one-out.jpg). And if it still exists, rusting out in a warehouse with broken bulbs and a tuft of wires hanging out the bottom? Then let us make up for the wrongs we’ve committed, and do everything we can to rescue this landmark. http://blog.sfgate.com/thebigevent/2012/04/10/what-happened-to-the-hamms-brewery-sign/#photo-80715 (http://blog.sfgate.com/thebigevent/2012/04/10/what-happened-to-the-hamms-brewery-sign/#photo-80715) THe Maltese Falcon enters San Francisco Bayhttp://www.boatingsf.com/rendition.full/photos/falcon/IMG_8381.jpgAT 20 KNOTS!http://www.boatingsf.com/rendition.full/photos/falcon/IMG_1684.jpgSF"S festival of Sail; @ AVG: OLD GLORY never looks better than flying off the Gaff!:up:http://sdmaritime.org/wp-content/uploads/photo-gallery/P1070085.JPG Can U believe: I got HAMM's into the thread-legitimately:har:

[bertieck476]

Pride of Baltimore is impressive in the flesh so to speak. Saw her while attending Brest and Dournenez in 96 or maybe 2000.

[bertieck476]

How do you post the big pics, I only seem to be able to post thumbnails and then I can only post two.

Bert.

[AVGWarhawk]

Pride of Baltimore is impressive in the flesh so to speak. Saw her while attending Brest and Dournenez in 96 or maybe 2000.

She would have been the Pride of Baltimore 2. Pride 1 went down in 86 during a squall. Pride 2 was commissioned in 88. I would go with you seeing her in 2000.

[CaptainRamius]

How do you post the big pics, I only seem to be able to post thumbnails and then I can only post two.

Bert.

When you go to find an image, look on the side. If it says something like 1020x2040 it's pretty big. Then click the small image with the yellow background on Subsim and enter the url. Then click post.

[Aktungbby]

I was aboard USS Eaglehttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5c/EAGLE_under_full_sail_in_2013.jpg/1024px-EAGLE_under_full_sail_in_2013.jpgOriginally the barque Horst Wessel- A photo not a painting!>http://www.uscg.mil/history/cutters/Eagles/img/Eagle1991-003sm.jpghttps://scontent-sjc2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t1.0-9/11960246_10153294245282933_3225569142786009194_n.j pg?oh=9db346436ed4f7518e73f4d246df82c3&oe=56EC7029A little patriot fervor here!:salute:

[nikimcbee]

Needs more HAMM's references.

[Aktungbby]

Needs more HAMM's references.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/03/f7/77/03f7779d1d3c4cfe3b0af87214d0b243.jpg One schooner comin' up BBY! The tot-of-choice since I ran away to seahttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/df/2a/dd/df2addab82e845ccdcb5b09028f15e8c.jpg Before my commission as Master and Commander!https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/b2/cc/79b2cc04634ba1f0474390f253b91ce1.jpgof my first independent commandhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/a9/5b/70/a95b70904f5d06c6ead865e8052534ce.jpg...B 4 steroids became an issue:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/9d/dc/87/9ddc87818b4ff327da1a121c3ca04e8e.jpg:arrgh!:

[Jimbuna]

Needs more HAMM's references.

Oh please don't encourage him Jason :o

[U505995]

Do these actually have to be ships that can sail under their own power? Or can we post sail ships that are beautiful but no longer sail?

[AVGWarhawk]

The USS Eagle is a beautiful vessel.

[Aktungbby]

Do these actually have to be ships that can sail under their own power? Or can we post sail ships that are beautiful but no longer sail? WELL...:hmmm:only the best mind U:yep:
http://www.picturesofengland.com/img/X/1022471.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:window.close();) http://www.picturesofengland.com/img/L/1022475.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:picture(563,750,'/img/X/1022475.jpg','The HMS Victory at Portsmouth\'s Historic Dockyard, Portsmouth, Hampshire');) http://www.picturesofengland.com/img/L/1022554.jpg (http://javascript<b></b>:picture(1000,750,'/img/X/1022554.jpg','Stern of the Victory in Portsmouth. Picture taken in May 2006');)

[nikimcbee]

Oh please don't encourage him Jason :o
Too late!


AAARRGGGHHHH.
Here be Philly McBee, terror of the seven seas.
https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/t31.0-8/12094982_10200961015025083_8661191236538188546_o.j pg

[U505995]

Who could forget about that 1st rate beauty? Here's another good one, the Swedish warship Vasa.
http://ulkotours.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/stockholm-museum-vasa.jpg

[Aktungbby]

Too late!
Needs more HAMM's references.

Oh please don't encourage him Jason :o

http://www.buzzfeed.com/samjparker/newcastle-inventions-facts-famous-people#.jmdZYoelr (http://www.buzzfeed.com/samjparker/newcastle-inventions-facts-famous-people#.jmdZYoelr) (@ nikimcbee>) #14 :har: Actually Jimbuna's right; I was actually wired on: http://ak-hdl.buzzfed.com/static/enhanced/webdr03/2013/4/11/4/enhanced-buzz-31768-1365670503-0.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

Who could forget about that 1st rate beauty? Here's another good one, the Swedish warship Vasa.
http://ulkotours.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/stockholm-museum-vasa.jpg

This is quite something. What is the story on how she ended up here?

[CaptainRamius]

This is quite something. What is the story on how she ended up here?

I know this! The Vasa. A newly made Swedish first-rate. It mounted heavy guns on the top decks and the gun ports were especially low. She stayed afloat during her maiden cruise for about 20 seconds. She sank in the mud, and, after recovery a while ago, she's now in the museum.

[Aktungbby]

This is quite something. What is the story on how she ended up here?

https://vimeo.com/13821497 (https://vimeo.com/13821497) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/59/Vasamuseet_2008.jpg/220px-Vasamuseet_2008.jpg<enlarges (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Vasamuseet_2008.jpg) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_Museum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_Museum)https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/7/76/Vasa_above_bow1.jpg/800px-Vasa_above_bow1.jpgStockholm's iconic Vasa warship has scored ninth place in a list of the top museums on the planet!:up: even people who usually start snoozing at the words 'maritime' and 'history' tend to find the Vasa Museum a fascinating place where they are given the chance to step back in time as well as learn about some of the cutting edge techniques being used to preserve the vessel.

[U505995]

I have always wanted to visit the Vasa, but I lack the funds and spare time to go visit her. Her "Beak" or prow is particularly impressive.
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0KC8QYu0grM/VYd5iScwHsI/AAAAAAAAF8g/paBZZilkVZU/s1600/Front%2Bof%2BVasa%2BShip.JPG

[Aktungbby]

I know this! The Vasa. A newly made Swedish first-rate. It mounted heavy guns on the top decks and the gun ports were especially low. She stayed afloat during her maiden cruise for about 20 seconds. She sank in the mud, and, after recovery a while ago, she's now in the museum.
Actually Vasa was not a first rate (72 guns) in the sense that HMS Victory (104 guns) was classed 'a first rate', generally based on the gun count. Sweden's later flagship, Kronanhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/1f/Stora_Kronan.jpeg/300px-Stora_Kronan.jpeg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stora_Kronan.jpeg) was a 110 gun vessel and also top heavy: After four years of service, the ship foundered in rough weather at the Battle of Öland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_%C3%96land) on 1 June 1676: while making a sharp turn under too much sail she capsized, and the gunpowder magazine ignited and blew off most of the bow. Kronan sank quickly, taking about 800 men and more than 100 guns with her, In both cases the Swedish ships' guns were salvaged using diving bells of the period...almosthttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Diving_bell.jpg/170px-Diving_bell.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Diving_bell.jpg) immediately before being lost to memory. with a diving bell made according to 17th-century specifications. In 1986, further experiments were done on Kronan. The tests proved successful and the conclusion was that the 17th-century operations must have required considerable experience, skill and favorable weather conditions. Though the conditions off Öland were often difficult, with cold water and unpredictable weather, and required a large crew, the expeditions were very profitable. Historian Björn Axel Johansson has calculated that the total cost for the entire crew for all eight diving seasons was less than 2,000 dalers, the value of one of Kronan's 36-pounder guns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronan_(ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronan_(ship)) The Kronan And other royal vessel (Svardet 86 guns) also lost with 600 men when a Dutch fireship set off her gun powder, which is currently also a salvage project. 30,000 artifacts from Kronan have been salvaged and cataloged. Both are pictured in the battle of Öland https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4b/Slaget_vid_%C3%96land_Claus_M%C3%B8inichen_1686.jp g/300px-Slaget_vid_%C3%96land_Claus_M%C3%B8inichen_1686.jp g (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Slaget_vid_%C3%96land_Claus_M%C3%B8inichen_16 86.jpg)<(enlarges)-In 2011 Svardet was also found off Öland and ID'd.

[bertieck476]

Thanks for the help in posting, I have some nicer pictures on my computer but can only post two because of the size limit.

This is a photo of my smack Ethel Alice CK476 we are passing the Charlotte Ellen CK258 on a Blackwater smack and barge race a couple of years ago

http://www.phillipsdesign.pandahousepublishing.co.uk/CustomerData/9/IMG_9542smackspanda.JPG

[bertieck476]

Becalmed on the Colne

https://c2.staticflickr.com/2/1268/4692051296_9c2b9fa550.jpg

[bertieck476]

Racing through Harwich Harbour with Felixstowe behind us during the Pin Mill race this year.

http://cdn2.shipspotting.com/photos/middle/1/1/3/2283311.jpg

[Aktungbby]

^ No problem!:up: Looks like you're about to 'cover & steal Charlotte Ellen's wind' in the classic upwind weather-gauge maneuver! I like that single larger inner jib too! Fewer moving parts (2 jib lines) when racing, and more efficient wind usage!:salute: Nuthin' good goes outta style:D 1930-Colne Estuaryhttp://www.merseamuseum.org.uk/MMImages3/BOXB5_017_038.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

I know this! The Vasa. A newly made Swedish first-rate. It mounted heavy guns on the top decks and the gun ports were especially low. She stayed afloat during her maiden cruise for about 20 seconds. She sank in the mud, and, after recovery a while ago, she's now in the museum.

WOW! Worlds shortest maiden cruise. Bow is very ornate.

[bertieck476]

Along with the smacks, another very familiar sight on the east coast of england, the thames barge.

http://files.on-this.website/333_5833_2913437.jpeg

[Jimbuna]

Rgr that :yep:

[CaptainRamius]

WOW! Worlds shortest maiden cruise. Bow is very ornate.

Yup. At least the Titanic didn't sink straight away :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Chesapeake Bay Skipjack.

http://www.gregpease.com/data/photos/701_1pcg650.jpg

[AVGWarhawk]

More schooners.

http://www.gregpease.com/data/photos/756_1pcg292_sm.jpg

[Aktungbby]

I'm bugeyed over this ol Cheasapeake oyster dredger Edna Lockwood https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/Edna_Lockwood.JPGThen of course there's the ultimate: Chesapeake Log Canoe racer such as the Edmee S.https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b5/Log_Canoe_Edmee_S_and_Point_Lookout_Tower.jpg/1024px-Log_Canoe_Edmee_S_and_Point_Lookout_Tower.jpgseen racing http://www.coastalliving.com/travel/chesapeake-bay-log-canoe-racing (http://www.coastalliving.com/travel/chesapeake-bay-log-canoe-racing)
http://img1.coastalliving.timeinc.net/sites/default/files/styles/500xvariable/public/image/2009/07/logcanoe-m.jpg?itok=Fspuf54f Log canoes really are made of logs, usually three or five fastened together and then hollowed out and shaped to create a hull. A couple of centuries ago, the bay teemed with the sturdy, graceful craft. “They were your family pickup truck,” . Watermen used them to harvest oysters and fish. Farmers filled them with crops to market. And when two or more boats were heading in the same direction, sometimes a trip turned into a race.
Fewer than two dozen log canoes remain, most of them built in the late 19th and early 20th centuries. All have retired from their working careers. About half still actively race. Their owners have turned these pickup trucks into sports cars by “overcanvasing”―piling ridiculous amounts of sail onto ever-taller masts―which makes them prone to capsizing. According to the rules of the Chesapeake Bay Log Sailing Canoe Association, the only penalty for sail area is an inability to keep the boat upright. “It’s self-handicapping,”. Oddly, the reliable dog bred to guard the oyster boats is now recognized as the Chesapeake Bay Retriever-my cousin, a renowned HobieCat racer, raises them. http://msa.maryland.gov/msa/mdmanual/01glance/images/dog.jpgThe Official dog of Maryland!

[bertieck476]

A couple of nice pics

[Aktungbby]

Hey that second thumbnail is seriously great composition shot ...can you repost that enlarged at full size??!!!

[bertieck476]

I dont know how, its not on the internet its one off my pc and from what I can see I can only upload as a attachment and then it appears as a thumbnail, of course you can click it and it goes large.
Its a pity about the first pic, if not for the top of the topsail cut off it would be pretty good.

[Aktungbby]

This has great contrast/composition (sail color) and angle of the vessel against the very straight shoreline with the 'cut of the jibs'! Kudos to the photog:rock: he got it perfectly framed in the viewfinder IMHO while 'shootin' on the fly':http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=1713&d=1450900207

[CaptainRamius]

What a beautiful looking boat! I can imagine sailing it now, down the coast of an exotic, tropic island. What a contrast to dark, rainy Germany, though it does have it's advantages :D
Went a bit off topic there. Anyway, great picture!

[bertieck476]

Thankyou Actungbby for sorting the picture, does it justice full size.

Thanks for the appreciative comments, she is a fantastic boat and I have had many years cruising and racing her. She's a pure sailer at 40ft on deck (56.5ft overall) and engineless.
She was built in 1897 primarily for oyster dredging and had a extensive rebuild in the mid 1990s.

I have several other good photos of her that I could post if...
1. people dont get fed up of them
2. how do I upload from my pc because the two I have already uploaded dont allow me to upload anymore. (near max attachment storage). Can I remove the attchments or will that remove the big picture from actungs post???

thanks Bert.

[Aktungbby]

1. Well we won't get fed up! 2. I lack the expertise on app to advise on attachment deletions. perhaps a PM to a photo thread guru would be advisable. I think the thread worth keeping alive! We seem to have a lot of sail oriented buffs.

[mapuc]

I had hundreds of photos of Sailing ships from all around the world.

It was during the Tall Ship Race 1988, which was from Carlscrona and I was in the Swedish navy at that time, so I toke a lot of photos with my "analog" camera.

As I wrote above I had-a majority of these have vanished, from moving from one place to another.

I also want to build one of these especially HMS Victory or the Sovereign of the Seas

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Thankyou Actungbby for sorting the picture, does it justice full size.

Thanks for the appreciative comments, she is a fantastic boat and I have had many years cruising and racing her. She's a pure sailer at 40ft on deck (56.5ft overall) and engineless.
She was built in 1897 primarily for oyster dredging and had a extensive rebuild in the mid 1990s.

I have several other good photos of her that I could post if...
1. people dont get fed up of them
2. how do I upload from my pc because the two I have already uploaded dont allow me to upload anymore. (near max attachment storage). Can I remove the attchments or will that remove the big picture from actungs post???

thanks Bert.

This is what I'm currently using:

http://imgur.com/

Click on epload images at top left.

If the images are on your pc click on browse your computer.

A search box will open, navigate to where your image is then click on open.

The box will disappear and you'll return to your original box.

Click on start upload and a share this image with multiple options will appear.

Click on BBCodes (Forums) link and copy and paste the link into your SubSim message box.

[bertieck476]

Cheers for the info Jimbuna:up:

[Jimbuna]

You're most welcome matey.

[bertieck476]

Leisurely trip back from a local regatta
http://i.imgur.com/VsHIaAq.jpg

[Armistead]

I purchased some old photo albums at a auction that had many pics from 1800's to early 1900's, mostly sailing ships and great lake ships. Here's one of some older sailing ships, no clue ...

http://i651.photobucket.com/albums/uu235/Armistead1424/submarines/012_zpsaqutukpo.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Italian tall ship Amerigo Vespucci
http://i.imgur.com/qv5UeJ2.jpg

[ivanov.ruslan]

One of the ships of highly respected sir Henry Morgan, Satisfaction


http://newsroompanama.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/morgans%20cove%20pirate%20ship.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Stavros S Niarchos
http://i.imgur.com/jFR42z7.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

Will this help? Any one have a Clipper ship picture (40" gunwale)

http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ed9pLZ9B1r7hnimo1_1280.jpg

[Aktungbby]

Cutty Sark practically the sole survivor: a Tea Clipper https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/ca/Cutty_Sark_%28ship%2C_1869%29_-_SLV_H91.250-164.jpg/1024px-Cutty_Sark_%28ship%2C_1869%29_-_SLV_H91.250-164.jpgHad some famous races against Thermopylae, an 'extreme composite clipper: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5a/Thermopylaeclipperphoto.jpg/300px-Thermopylaeclipperphoto.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thermopylaeclipperphoto.jpg) https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/11/M._Reilly.Clipper_ship_Thermopylae.JPG/1024px-M._Reilly.Clipper_ship_Thermopylae.JPGDuring the time from 1859 British clipper ships continued to be built. Earlier British clipper ships had become known as extreme clippers, and were considered to be "as sharp as the American" built ships. From 1859 a new design was developed for British clipper ships that was nothing like the American clippers. These ships built from 1859 continued to be called extreme clippers. The new design had a sleek graceful appearance, less sheer, less freeboard, lower bulwarks, and smaller breadth. They were built for the China tea trade and began with Falcon in 1859, and finished with the last ships built in 1870. It is estimated that 25 to 30 of these ships were built, and no more than 4–5 per year. The earlier ships were made from wood, though some were made from iron, just as some British clippers had been made from iron prior to 1859. In 1863 the first tea clippers of composite construction were brought out, combining the best of both worlds. Composite clippers had the strength of iron spars with wooden hulls, and copper sheathing (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_sheathing) could be added to prevent the fouling that occurred on iron hulls...Cutty Sark!

[Catfish]

Thanks for the Cutty Sark picture!


...and copper sheathing could be added to prevent the fouling that occurred on iron hulls...

As for the hull, the Cutty Sark hull was still made of wood. Have visited her in Greenwich, though long before the fire, and built three models of it. It has been rebuilt since then.

The name is interesting, "Cutty Sark" is a witch from a scottish tale i think (the nickname of the witch Nannie Dee), and it also (or: of course) is the "gallion figure" (figurehead?) of the ship.
I think a "cutty sark" is also a short (cut-off?) shirt from ye olde english language, and the witch is expected to have worn such a garment, thus her name.

The man who rode through an english forest, at night, saw some light and sound, in a nearby derelict chapel. So he wanted to find out what was going on.. unfortunately it was a witches' meeting, and they soon detected him. He quickly mounted his horse and went off as fast as it would gallop, but they were close after him.
Then there was a stream before him (as everyone knows ghosts and witches cannot pass running water) and he spurred his horse to make a giant leap .. and so got off by a hair, or better by some hairs of his brave horse's tail, the leading witch (Mrs Cutty Sark) managed to grab, before both crossed the water.
So he survived and lived to tell the tale..

And, before the next journey, the sailors of the "Cutty Sark" always put some horses' hairs in the hand of the wooden Mrs Sark, just to make sure..


http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y174/penaeus/Tam-O-Shanter_zpsgldk6qop.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/penaeus/media/Tam-O-Shanter_zpsgldk6qop.jpg.html)


All the best,
Catfish

[mapuc]

If I had a little more skill, well a lot more skill it is, I would love to build this beauty

http://www.artesanialatina.net/EN/model-ship-kits/elite-ships/22900--hms-victory.html

Markus

[bertieck476]

I like to see the cutty sark when I visit greenwich, she is impressive and forms part of the dramatic backdrop from the observatory viewpoint.
Some friends I sail with have worked as riggers on the cutty sark one of whoms company rerigged her after the recent fire damage.
The thought of going aloft in a stormy seaway...no thanks.

[Aktungbby]

Well I'm not the only ship nut out there! I made the 3' Cutty Sark model when I was a lad of 14,with all the sails, deadeyes with standing and running rigging:k_confused: followed by the USS Constitution and HMS Victory...now if I could just get the Revell type VII Uboat done...One of my nephews found the model packed in a moving box in my parent's basement and is quite fond of it in his own home. God knows where these things end up! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/74/8a/88/748a88282be362b826bae0374a6a2c0f.jpgThis one is of the opium clipper Lightning under very full sail, something of a hazard as clipper skippers tended to go dangerously fast. @ Bertieck: CLIMBING THE RIGGING IS A MINOR PROBLEM; IT'S THE INSANE CAPTAINS: " A clipper designer would also devote much attention to smoothing his ship’s “run,” her bottom at the after end. This practice lessened friction and added speed—but it also had its dangers. Too clean a run could result in an excessively fine form above the waterline and a consequent lack of buoyancy which often led to a ship being pooped—that is, swamped by a following wave. Ariel was one of a number of ships that suffered from this tendency, and when she vanished without trace while on passage in 1872 it was generally assumed that a following sea had struck from behind and washed her helmsman overboard. With no hand on the wheel, the clipper would have swung broadside to the following wave and been struck with such ferocity she would have sunk almost instantly.
Nautical men also acknowledged that the finest clipper would be nothing without a captain prepared to drive her hard for every moment of a voyage. The best masters pretty much lived on deck for the three-and-a-half month passage, and the ceaseless efforts made by Dick Robinson of the Fiery Cross were said to be worth an extra half-knot in speed to any ship he captained. Even conservatively built ships were generally loaded so they were trimmed down at the stern, as it was considered that the extra weight helped their sailing qualities. Once all the tea had been stowed away, the crew would still have to work hard to redistribute their cargo so as to ensure the optimum speed; some captains took matters further still. Ariel was noted for keeping on deck an enormous box, twelve feet long, packed with the heaviest metal obtainable. Once at sea, Captain Keay would watch as his men labored to drag the box to and fro until he was satisfied that its position would add still another edge to his performance." To sailors, three things made a ship a clipper. She must be sharp-lined, built for speed. She must be tall-sparred and carry the utmost spread of canvas. And she must use that sail, day and night, fair weather and foul.

[mapuc]

^ I have built a lot of models during my life. They were all made of plastic. I have only build one ship made of wood

Billing boats 603 Norden.
It is when it comes to build ships made of wood I need a lot more skills.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

The three-masted barque Statsraad Lemkuhl.
http://i.imgur.com/upV1TzR.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

Very kind of you Aktungbby, but tell me what is an extreme clipper ship like the one that held the record for over 100 years ...
you know the record from New York to San Francisco. Which by the way was just broken not all that long ago.

As for finishing your model U-boat you might need to live in an area that snows a lot lol

[Aktungbby]

Well the record was held by the Flying Cloud, an American McKay-built clipper...but technically NOT an 'extreme clipper'; (less than 40'' dead rise" Her transit via the Cape of Good Horn: 89 days 8 hours breaking her own previous record of 89 days/21 hours! The ship held this record for over 100 years, from 1854 to 1989. The term extreme Clipper was great advertising though in the competitive shipping trade; so the term was liberally applied to all clippers built by Mckay!

Duncan McLean, the marine reporter who wrote at least 161 more or less detailed descriptions of ships launched in Boston and elsewhere in New England for the Boston Daily Atlas between April 1850 and March 1857, defined an extreme clipper as "clippers of 40 inches dead rise (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dead_rise&action=edit&redlink=1) at half floor (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Half_floor&action=edit&redlink=1)". By his definition extreme clippers ceased to be built after early 1852.
In the midst of the great clipper boom, in early 1851, he wrote "Nearly all the clipper ships which have been built recently, have had 40 inches dead rise at half floor." This was followed in late 1852 by his comment "It is therefore doubtful whether another clipper, having 40 inches dead rise, will be built."
Further understanding of what was happening in clipper ship construction at the time can be obtained from reading the whole section from which the last sentence above was obtained. "Our first large clippers had rounded lines and 40 inches dead rise at half floor; but now nearly all new clippers have hollow lines, and only 30 or 18 inches dead rise. The upright stem, too, has been modified into the inclined, and the length and sharpness of the ends have also been much varied."..."though very sharp and clipperly in the ends, has only 20 inches dead rise at half floor, experience having demonstrated, that great length with sharp ends do not require extreme sharpness of floor. Buoyancy is of more importance, and the speed obtained, especially running free, is more satisfactory. It is therefore doubtful whether another clipper, having 40 inches dead rise, will be built."
This narrower definition has not been accepted by history. The term "extreme clipper" was applied to the clipper ships built by Donald McKay (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_McKay) during 1851 even though their dead rises were less than 40". It was also been applied to clipper ships he built from 1852 to 1854, and to similar clipper ships built by other shipbuilders in the same period. It has been applied to clipper ships built with a lengthening of the bow above to water, a drawing out and sharpening of the forward body, and the greatest breadth further aft.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0d/California_Clipper_500.jpg/1280px-California_Clipper_500.jpg Now days it would probably be called a 'radical' or 'gnarly' Clipper!:O:

[Aktungbby]

Revenue Cutter: CALIFORNIAN at the Golden Gate 50th anniversary 1987https://mediacenter.smugmug.com/photos/i-MdC9LWf/0/XL/i-MdC9LWf-XL.jpgAnd to keep our British buddies happy: QUEEN MARY II 2007 with an escort! https://mediacenter.smugmug.com/photos/i-wHpMpdb/0/XL/i-wHpMpdb-XL.jpg

[Jimbuna]

El Galeon Andalucia
http://i.imgur.com/2BVItJb.jpg

[Aktungbby]

GOLDEN HINDhttp://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzLzA2OWZjNDg0OG JlNGZhMWNhNTIzMzQwMGRjZWY1OTIwNTU1YWEzMmUuanBnIl0s WyJwIiwidGh1bWIiLCI5ODB4XHUwMDNlIl0sWyJwIiwiY29udm VydCIsIi1xdWFsaXR5IDkxIC1hdXRvLW9yaWVudCJdXQ/069fc4848be4fa1ca5233400dcef5920555aa32e.jpg/image.jpghttp://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzLzAzZWQxMjZmMz U5NDdkODcwMTc2YjM0MWJjYzZlNzc0NTdlZWI0ZjguanBnIl0s WyJwIiwidGh1bWIiLCI5ODB4XHUwMDNlIl0sWyJwIiwiY29udm VydCIsIi1xdWFsaXR5IDkxIC1hdXRvLW9yaWVudCJdXQ/03ed126f35947d870176b341bcc6e77457eeb4f8.jpg/image.jpgOne of history's more notable warships. I was aboard her at Redwood City when she navigated the globe in 1987. This is the one replica at Southwark London, not the one at Brixham. "The deck beneath my feet was painted red, too, as it would have been in Drake's time, in order to hide spilled blood." A clear understanding of the bu$ine$$ at hand!:dead: Considered a sea-faring terrorist, ADM Sir Francis Drake, dubbed El Draque by the Spanish; King Philip II (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_II_of_Spain) was said to have offered a reward of 20,000 ducats about £4 million (US$6.5m) by modern standards, for his life. A poor return IMHO: Near Lima (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lima), Drake captured a Spanish ship laden with 25,000 pesos (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_dollar) of Peruvian gold, amounting in value to 37,000 ducats (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ducat) of Spanish money (about £7m by modern standards). Drake also discovered news of another ship, Nuestra Señora de la Concepción (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuestra_Se%C3%B1ora_de_la_Concepci%C3%B3n), which was sailing west towards Manila (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manila). Drake gave chase and eventually captured the treasure ship, which proved his most profitable capture.
Aboard Nuestra Señora de la Concepción, Drake found 80 lb (36 kg) of gold, a golden crucifix, jewels, 13 chests full of royals of plate and 26 tons of silver. THAT much balla$t took six days to transfer (at sea) to the Golden Hind! The Queen's half-portion of the loot surpassed the crown's revenue for one year! :arrgh!:
[wiki]

[Jimbuna]

LYNX: Square Topsail Schooner
http://i.imgur.com/xTpKGbg.jpg

[bertieck476]

I like this one from wivenhoe regatta a few years back, we snatched victory from the jaws of defeat half a mile from the finnish line.
http://i.imgur.com/Oz659nk.jpg

[CaptainRamius]

Ahh, these ships are truly beautiful. What a great thread I have here :D

[pinner2010]

1724

[Aktungbby]

HMS Sultana Replica on Chester River, Maryland https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/d4/Sultana_Chester_River_MD1.jpg/1024px-Sultana_Chester_River_MD1.jpg

[Jimbuna]

The Dutch vessel Europa
http://i.imgur.com/eNHHjNi.jpg

[ivanov.ruslan]

Thanks for this post!

[bertieck476]

I do like the tall ships, I sailed home from douarnenez some years ago when a couple of tallships sailed into a fog bank ahead of us, very eerie when all you can see is the very topsail.

[Aktungbby]

I do like the tall ships, I sailed home from douarnenez some years ago when a couple of tallships sailed into a fog bank ahead of us, very eerie when all you can see is the very topsail.
PICS or it didn't happen!:O:orange sunsets are so kool!:shucks:
SCHOONER WESTERN UNIONhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/08/3a/d9/083ad93de71c451457191ee739048601.jpgStar of India and Californianhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/10/04/f6/1004f6e274d09e03bba1f5979aa474a6.jpghttp://blaineharrington.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif

http://blaineharrington.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gifhttp://blaineharrington.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gif

[bertieck476]

No picture Im afraid, it was in 1996 and we were sailing home from the brest/douarnenez festivals, I wasn't into photography or cameras and we didn't all carry superb cameras on our phones back then.
The closest ship in the bottom pic is rather nice.

[Jimbuna]

Norwegian Christian Radich

http://i.imgur.com/EHgylf5.jpg

[Aktungbby]

EASTINDIAMAN GÖTHEBORG III (I hope the bridge-man is on duty):doh: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/0c/f9/7c0cf92b1be86237b5474183cdc56c86.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Tenacious
http://i.imgur.com/mIf94gf.jpg

[ivanov.ruslan]

Very nice all vessels :cool:

[Jimbuna]

Alexander von Humbol
http://i.imgur.com/zItdFCC.jpg

[Aktungbby]

Gittin' "put to it" under full sail:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/15/b1/7f/15b17f675126369a132d1fafd5d5304a.jpgHMS Golden Hind on her commemorative voyage https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/86/e0/e9/86e0e91833fa80fe504f6d4923bfd629.jpgIn the Pacific off the US https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/83/94/3e8394c486fe5e197f636034ec90c626.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Kaskelot
http://i.imgur.com/HEzD68e.jpg

[Aktungbby]

http://joelrogers.photoshelter.com/img/pixel.gifhttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/61/e0/8a61e0dc6527d56a1c82f42899dd5585.jpgThe Golden Hind, historic sailing ship, Sir Francis Drake's Golden Hind replica under full sail, Pacific Ocean, commemorating Drake's around the world (1577-1580) Voyage of Discovery, Pacific Ocean, off the coast of Washington State, ship on port tack, viewed from the stern, https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/26/4e/e5/264ee5dcdfe47ac70cb5ec3a572cb24e.gif

[Sailor Steve]

That poster contains an interesting combination of old and new. The best example is the ketch, which in modern terms is fore-and-aft rigged. In the days of fighting sail a 'ketch' was almost always square rigged, and defined as having a main and a mizzen mast, and looking like a square-rigged ship without the foremast.
-The Line Of Battle, Conway's History Of The Ship Series, Glossary by Robert Gardiner

[Jimbuna]

Guayas
http://i.imgur.com/3hyxkOf.jpg

[Aktungbby]

Not quite correct(on a 'gaff' rigged boat as posts 106 &114 demonstrate) but still lookin' GOOD! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/8b/f8/8a8bf83a52eb1795cddc081168742225.jpghttp://www.usps.org/national/fecom/images/Gaff1RevCoSm.jpghttp://www.usps.org/national/fecom/faq/flag/gaffpole.html (http://www.usps.org/national/fecom/faq/flag/gaffpole.html):k_confused:
Many people are confused about the proper way to fly the national ensign from a gaff-rigged pole. As depicted in the drawing on the left, the national ensign should be flown from the gaff and the club or organization burgee should be flown at the masthead.
The usual argument given by those that think it is wrong to fly the national ensign from the gaff is that the national ensign is flying below a club burgee or other flag contrary to the Flag Code. Notice that even when the national ensign is flown from the stern of a ship, it is lower in height than other flags flying on the ship. When the ensign is flown from a gaff-rigged pole, a flag flown at the top of the mast is not considered above the ensign because it is not being flown directly above the ensign on the same halyard.
The ensign should be flown from the highest point of honor, and over time, that has become the peak of the gaff. Flying the national ensign from the top of the mast while flying another flag at the gaff would be flying another flag in a position of superior honor since the peak of the gaff is the highest point of honor.
The Palm Coast Yacht Club near St. Augustine, Florida had a continuing battle with a local veterans group which insisted the club was showing disrespect for the flag by flying it at the gaff of the club's flagstaff, a point physically lower than the club's burgee which is flown at the masthead. The matter was settled only after the club obtained a letter from the Secretary of the Navy confirming the fact that in the world of yacht clubs the highest physical point of a flagpole is not necessarily the place of honor.
As a former federal guard charged with raising and lowering the colors on official buildings with any number of patriotic onlookers watching my every move... ya get a little fussy and reported if that banner touches the ground! (A tough job for 1 man in a 20 knot wind with a garrison-sized flag!)

[Jimbuna]

Stavros S Niarchos
http://i.imgur.com/bWgqIJD.jpg

[Aktungbby]

:D http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/120819102052-uss-constitution-03-horizontal-large-gallery.jpgAbove and below the waterline https://ussconstitutionmuseum.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IMG_3731-850x400.jpg

[Jimbuna]

HMS Bounty
http://i.imgur.com/FXxRd3Z.jpg

[CaptainRamius]

Sailing Yacht "A" - While technically a motor sailer...
http://www.magmastructures.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/7p42c1DWSMaZprSxswfy_sailing-yacht-A-sea-trials-640x360.jpg

[Catfish]

^ :o this is .. an abomination, not a sailing ship. I swear it only swims because the water rejects it :hmph:


And a question to Aktung, why is the »Golden Hind« on port tack, in the 3rd picture? In german it would currently run on "Steuerbord-Bug" (~"starboard bow, starboard is right, port or larboard is left ?), or does it state where the wind comes from, in english terminology?)

And the »Bounty«, just wonderful..

Thanks for those pictures, nice :yeah:

[Jimbuna]

Semaine Du Golfe
http://i.imgur.com/ZaJWyc4.jpg

[Aktungbby]

And a question to Aktung, why is the »Golden Hind« on port tack, in the 3rd picture? In german it would currently run on "Steuerbord-Bug" (~"starboard bow, starboard is right, port or larboard is left ?), or does it state where the wind comes from, in english terminology?)

GOOD EYE! and I had caught that myself as it appears to be a 'quartering starboard tack-almost straight downwind- but with the wind still coming from the astern starboard quarter. So I looked at a lot of pictures of the 'hind' on the stern of the Golden Hind and it is in both directions; ergo I believe the negative was reversed so I went with the article's own caption quote. https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/8a/61/e0/8a61e0dc6527d56a1c82f42899dd5585.jpgvshttps://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/3e/83/94/3e8394c486fe5e197f636034ec90c626.jpgas opposed to the present version on the berthed vessel's stern in London?:hmmm:http://assets.atlasobscura.com/media/W1siZiIsInVwbG9hZHMvcGxhY2VfaW1hZ2VzLzA2OWZjNDg0OG JlNGZhMWNhNTIzMzQwMGRjZWY1OTIwNTU1YWEzMmUuanBnIl0s WyJwIiwidGh1bWIiLCI5ODB4XHUwMDNlIl0sWyJwIiwiY29udm VydCIsIi1xdWFsaXR5IDkxIC1hdXRvLW9yaWVudCJdXQ/069fc4848be4fa1ca5233400dcef5920555aa32e.jpg/image.jpg

[Jimbuna]

Stavros S Niarchos
http://i.imgur.com/N0zYGjj.jpg

[Aktungbby]

http://www.schoonerman.com/sailingterms/Runnin2.jpgRunning Rigging of a Merchant Sailing Ship (note: many merchant men were painted to look like gun-ported war-ships...better for business!)

1.Flying jib-guys.
2. Standing jib-guys.
3 . Spritsail lifts.
4 Spritsail braces.
5 Fore-yard tackles.
6 Main-yard tackles.
7 Fore-lifts.
8 Fore-braces.
9 Main-lifts.
10. Main-braces.
11. Cross-jack lifts.
12 Cross-jack braces.
13 Slings of fore-yard.
14 Slings of main-yard.
15 Slings of cross jack-yard.
16 Fore-top-sail-lifts.
17 braces.
1 8 reef-tackles.
19 Main-top-sail-lifts.
20 braces.
21 reef-tackles.
22 Mizen-top-sail-lifts.
23 Mizen-top-sail braces. -
24- Fore-top-gallant-lifts.
25 Fore-top-gallant-braces.
26 Fore-top-gallant-halliards.
27 Main-top-gallant-lifts.
28 Main-top-gallant braces.
29 Main-top-gallant halliards.
30 Top-gallant-lifts.
31 Top-gallant .braces.
32 Top-gallant halliards
33 Fore Royal Lifts.
34 Fore Royal braces
35 Fore-royal halliards.
36 Main-royal-lifts.
37 Main-royal braces.
38 Main-royal halliards.
39 Signal halliards.
40 Mizen-royal-lifts.
41 Mizen-royal- braces.
42 Mizen-royal-halliards.
43 Fore-top-sail tie and halliards.
44- Main-top-sail tie and halliards.
45 Mizen-top-sail tie and halliards.
46 Mizen-gaff peak halliards.
47 Mizen-gaff throat halliards.
48 Mizen-gaff -vang-pendants and falls.
49 Mizen-gaff signal halliards.< WHERE U Put the flag sailor!
50 Spanker-boom topping-lift.
51 Spanker-boom quarter guys.
52 Spanker-boom sheet.
53 Spritsail-yard.
54- Fore-yard.
55 Main-yard.
56 Cross-jack-yard.
57 Fore-top-sail-yard.
58 Main-top-sail-yard.
59 Mizen-top-sail-yard.
60 Fore-top-gallant-yard.
61 Main-top-gallant-yard.
62 Mizen-top-gallant-yard.
63 Fore-royal-yard.
64- Main-royal-yard.
65 Mizen-royal-yard.
66 Spanker boom.
67 Spanker gaff.

[Catfish]

^ God it was hard enough to learn that in german :shifty:

No seriously, thank you :up:

[Aktungbby]

And I got your 'hind end' sorta' sorted out too!:O: :arrgh!: HMS PICKLE arrives at Hull.http://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/images/localworld/ugc-images/276270/Article/images/27862103/11017217-large.jpg

[Jimbuna]

The barque Eagle
http://i.imgur.com/Ajhtdvq.jpg

[Catfish]

^ Yea, built by Blohm & Voss some thousand years ago :03:

[Jimbuna]

Well, it was known as the Thousand Year Reich :)

:03:

[CaptainRamius]

Aktung, thank you so much for nominating this as Thread of the Year. I really appreciate it. :salute:

[bertieck476]

More boat porn, this time racing in the thames estuary off herne bay
http://i.imgur.com/Tndo2sn.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/fc3rJfN.jpg

[CaptainRamius]

Not sure if this is a digital image or an actual photo, but I'm putting it here anyway http://www.marine-knowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Ancient-Sailing-Ships.png

[AVGWarhawk]

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/42547718.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

More boat porn, this time racing in the thames estuary off herne bay

http://i.imgur.com/fc3rJfN.jpg

I use to sail sunfish :haha:

What do sailboats and race cars have in common?

One sneeze could cost you the entire race :o

[Aktungbby]

More boat porn, this time racing in the thames estuary off herne bay
U CAN NEVER GET ENOUGH BOAT PORN! BBY is that U in the hatch? https://subsim.com/radioroom/picture.php?albumid=815&pictureid=8803AKTUNG overrides the auto tiller Off Mare Island's North San Frncisco Bay-Carquinez Strait. The multi-line 'wuzzle' on the port cleat is the jib sheet and the 'Jibe 'preventer' line from the bow cleat to the boom end...A new install to keep the boom from snapping over in shifty-dicey aft El Niño winds! I'm wearing a hardshell plastic skullcap under the hat in case I don't duck in time. http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41lwSgA4MBL._AC_UL160_SR160,160_.jpg http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41tcLNTjA-L._AC_UL160_SR160,160_.jpgAt $5.00, a cheap investment considering boom-hits have killed 10 sailors this year alone.

[Catfish]

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/large/42547718.jpg


Whoa, nice! :up:

Would you call this a schooner-brig? :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Not sure if this is a digital image or an actual photo, but I'm putting it here anyway http://www.marine-knowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Ancient-Sailing-Ships.png
Oh, it's real alright. In 1987 a naval architect designed the closest-obtainable recreation of a Greek trireme. Built using original methods, Olympias was an amazing accomplishment, and served as a test bed to find out just what those ships were capable of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympias_(trireme)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcsrNrRkQis

[bertieck476]

Hi Aktungbby, Im helming.
Had a few cracks on the head myself, at 7 1/2 inch diameter and 27 foot long our boom does have the potential to ruin your day, fortunately it doesn't tend to whip about too much.
Bert.

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh, it's real alright. In 1987 a naval architect designed the closest-obtainable recreation of a Greek trireme. Built using original methods, Olympias was an amazing accomplishment, and served as a test bed to find out just what those ships were capable of.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympias_(trireme)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZcsrNrRkQis


I remember! Cool stuff!

[Aktungbby]

Not sure if this is a digital image or an actual photo, but I'm putting it here anyway http://www.marine-knowledge.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/Ancient-Sailing-Ships.png HEY NUTHIN GOOD GOES OUTTA STYLE-AS DISCUSSED 8/3/15 IN THE BILGE We will have no weapons, so I want some ram installed on the front. Our guns don't work so I got us all slingshots. When i call battle stations, we will all go topside, sling shots firing and ram the enemy. http://downloads.bbc.co.uk/rmhttp/schools/primaryhistory/images/ancient_greeks/sea_and_ships/g_replica_of_an_ancient_athenian_warship_trireme_o ff_i_land_of_poros.jpgWell I've got it all covered- I ain't COB fer nuthin': we go Trireme style And mount an Archimedean catapault (Huge slingshot ArmiBBY) on the deck I got dibs on the Thranites rowing position otherwise known as a "stool-rower" :shucks: on the upper deck https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Trireme_cut-fr.svg/300px-Trireme_cut-fr.svg.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trireme_cut-fr.svg)in 'honor' of my so-called 'named offspring':-?
@ CaptainRamius: Naturally as a new volunteer aboard the bilge's U-REEKHA U R assigned thalamitai — lower bank duties alongside Eichhörnchen! However, if U have a tambourine, we'll let you keep time (1 auletes — a musician supplying the oar timing with his flute)...critical when hitting 9 knots with 170 rowers! and doing 180's in 2.5 lengths :k_confused: Naturally Bertieck, AVGWarhawk and I will be assigned sail-handling duty....occasionally manning a 'stool' rowing position for ramming; C'mon at my age I need a decent chair!:wah: We of the Bilge remember Salamis, Actium & Lepanto ;all hard rowing turning points of history: and ramming allowed; Catapults, cannon, and archers if you must! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a9/Israeli_National_Maritime_Museum-_Naval_ram-1.jpg/220px-Israeli_National_Maritime_Museum-_Naval_ram-1.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Israeli_National_Maritime_Museum-_Naval_ram-1.jpg) <ATHLIT PROW
Of course I'll serve a good Cabernet with stew for all hands...It wasn't called the Wine Dark Sea fer nuthin!:Kaleun_Cheers: Where Rams are concerned-Rule 1: 'Tis' better to give than receive' lest you get yer 'ath-lit up":O:!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ika2AFfYimU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ika2AFfYimU) :dead:

[Aktungbby]

Whoa, nice! :up:

Would you call this a schooner-brig? :hmmm: That Sir is a Square-rigged Ketch: shorter mast to the rear https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f1/Ketch.jpg

Ketch was a "catch" or fishing boat (ketch from Middle English cache, from cacchen, "to catch"). The mizzen is bigger than seen on a yawl in order to hold the bow (front) of a boat toward the wind and oncoming waves. The mainsail at the front of the boat would have been dropped and the mizzen trimmed tight on the centreline. Set up this way most boats will point directly into the wind (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_helm) in a reliable way. It is also possible to ease the mizzen slightly to allow the boat to move slowly forward.
In a fishing boat this attitude allows the nets to be handled without the boat becoming "broadsides" to the waves allowing them to break over the sides of the boat. Fishnets can then be handled without putting the boat at risk.
For enough sail area to propel a fishing boat the mizzen mast has to move forward toward the middle of the boat which allows its sail to be bigger without upsetting the sail balance or distribution.

Note the gaff rig mizzen with the National color properly displayed on vessel's 'point of honor':salute: Looks just like the Hawaiian Chieftan :O: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/0f/HawaiianChieftanUnderway.JPG/1024px-HawaiianChieftanUnderway.JPG

[Rhodes]

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-B0N5iCNHjfs/TX6kcPAXdbI/AAAAAAAAGag/4DwjqiyRznQ/s1600/SANTA+MARIA+MANUELA+2010-05-11+Lisboa+%25C2%25A9+Luis+Miguel+Correia+%25286%25 29.JPG

Cod fishing ship Stª. Maria Manuela!

[CaptainRamius]

HEY NUTHIN GOOD GOES OUTTA STYLE-AS DISCUSSED 8/3/15 IN THE BILGE @ CaptainRamius: Naturally as a new volunteer aboard the bilge's U-REEKHA U R assigned thalamitai — lower bank duties alongside Eichhörnchen! However, if U have a tambourine, we'll let you keep time (1 auletes — a musician supplying the oar timing with his flute)...critical when hitting 9 knots with 170 rowers! and doing 180's in 2.5 lengths :k_confused: Naturally Bertieck, AVGWarhawk and I will be assigned sail-handling duty....occasionally manning a 'stool' rowing position for ramming; C'mon at my age I need a decent chair!:wah: We of the Bilge remember Salamis, Actium & Lepanto ;all hard rowing turning points of history: and ramming allowed; Catapults, cannon, and archers if you must! [/I][/URL] <ATHLIT PROW
Of course I'll serve a good Cabernet with stew for all hands...It wasn't called the Wine Dark Sea fer nuthin!:Kaleun_Cheers: Where Rams are concerned-Rule 1: 'Tis' better to give than receive' lest you get yer 'ath-lit up":O:!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ika2AFfYimU (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ika2AFfYimU) :dead: Hey Aktung, keep in mind that this is a Beautiful Sailing Ships thread. The Bilge is that a way ---->

[Jimbuna]

L’Hermione, a replica of the 145-foot long Concorde class frigate that brought General Lafayette to the aid of the fledgling United States during the Revolutionary War.

http://i.imgur.com/MVKs6IK.jpg

[Aktungbby]

:sign_yeah:^Under full sail and showing some 'attitude'!https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t1.0-9/1560691_369306096592441_8677199199081919442_n.jpg? oh=b428932ff003795d2dd3b89f5d3d021b&oe=57840D59 https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/l/t1.0-9/11666086_392421887614195_4954882578551532174_n.jpg ?oh=e97aedc4eae67f08b52645b2be81f615&oe=57882035https://www.facebook.com/hermione.voyage/photos/pb.215526518637067.-2207520000.1458656418./392421887614195/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/hermione.voyage/photos/pb.215526518637067.-2207520000.1458656418./392421887614195/?type=3&theater) https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/12527_344006119122439_4970906673221029006_n.jpg?oh =348bdf1fe6c2d327de272a98e9345977&oe=574ED362https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t1.0-9/11329890_384936588362725_5795760495605537309_n.jpg ?oh=3efeb1e7faa68815bf5d9f5aeeff9293&oe=577CCCADAnd a very proper display of the colors!:salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

Royal Clipper:

http://www.visualitineraries.com/img/locations/Royal-Clipper-26898.jpg

[Jimbuna]

The Barque Eagle

http://i.imgur.com/XzObLI1.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

USS Constitution is shown in a 1931 photograph

https://i2.wp.com/news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/constitution.jpg?w=2205&ssl=1

[Jimbuna]

Pelican of London
http://i.imgur.com/zvkZBPa.jpg

[Eichhörnchen]

Click on this and listen whilst enjoying these pictures...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixF5f2cqIKo

[Mr Quatro]

What sailing ship is this one? All I have is that it is a photograph taken in Balaklava harbor, 1855, photographed by Roger Fenton

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/52/Fenton-Balaklava-harbor.jpeg/1024px-Fenton-Balaklava-harbor.jpeg

[Jimbuna]

I believe her to be HMS Hecla berthed at the cattle pier and as you say, at Balaklava Harbour circa 1855.

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Another perspective distant view (right) view Cossack Bay, cattle and horse dock-showing penned mounts. The HMS Hecla (#3 of that name) of the Crimean War did serve in the Baltic in action in 1854; Sir William Hutcheon Hall commanding, but was a Hydra class paddle-wheel sloop 6 gun vessel. MR Quatro's pic is definitely not a paddle wheel steam sloop. There is no stack at all; so not a steam frigate either. At some point a hurricane hit, sinking 30 transports in Balaklava and the horses suffered horribly from feed shortages and logistic nightmares. The Crimean war ranks as a study in how not to supply an army. This has been an engrossing hunt for the vessel name. It's driving me nuts....I'm clueless:k_confused: http://www.old-picture.com/crimean-war/000/pictures/Balaklava-Cossack-Bay.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

The scene depicts a harsh hard life doesn't it? I would've rather ship out and have been at sea in those old days.

I was more interested in what kind of ship she was more than the name.

Three mast with what looks like 11 gun ports ... one clue is that this is now a Russian submarine base. Must have important defense capabilites, uh?

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An upgrade from 18th century East Iindiamen, armed and painted to look like men o' war, were the lighter built Blackwall frigates and used in the India Australia trade from the 1850's , as the need for heavy armaments declined. Blackwall frigate was the colloquial name for a type of three-masted full-rigged ship (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full-rigged_ship) built between the late 1830s and the mid-1870's at Blackwall yard on the Thames..http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/m/mPlCY6EzJ5Z4i8nqsHXAqlg/140.jpg (http://www.ebay.com/itm/Blackwall-Frigates-Lubbock-Basil-Paperback-/351448088219) Over 120 Blackwall frigates were built by British and Indian yards. The Blackwall frigate had a single gallery and was so named partly because it was superficially similar in appearance to a frigate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frigate) of the Royal Navy. With only a single gallery, the hull-lines at the stern could be very fine and combined with relatively fine underwater lines at the bow, Blackwall frigates were fast sailing ships, although not as fast as the clipper (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipper) ships that appeared in the late 1840s. Another feature of early Blackwall frigates was a highly rounded hull at the bow above the waterline. HMS Nothfleet- note 11 ports on side- some Blackwalls had up to 15 on a side..:hmmm:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f4/Northfleet.jpg/350px-Northfleet.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Northfleet.jpg)<enlarges: having already posted an Indiaman in this thread, I tracked this under 'painted gunports on merchantmen' etc> leading, ultimately, to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_frigate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackwall_frigate) :know: Essentially an era of evolving mixed design: clippers; Blackwalls Frigates; 'semiclippers'; and 'windjammers'... :k_confused:http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66808.html (http://collections.rmg.co.uk/collections/objects/66808.html) HMS ‘Seringapatam’ (11 ports-although some etchings show 15?? ) At this scale, the model represents a ship measuring 152 feet in length by 25 feet in the beam and an approximate 900 tons. 'Although the name would suggest an armed fighting vessel, the Blackwall frigates were sailing merchantmen built between 1837 and 1869 for the Indian trade following the expiration of the East India Company’s exclusive charter in 1833.' http://collections.rmg.co.uk/mediaLib/576/media-576709/large.jpg

[Mr Quatro]

Your alright Aktungbby I don't care what Neal said about you :woot:

Thanks for the information, precise and timely :yep:

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Thank's CaptainMurphy! http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225721 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=225721) HMS Trincomalee frigate https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/ba/H.M.S._Trincomalee%2C_Hartlepool_Maritime_Experien ce_-_geograph.org.uk_-_1605077.jpg Built of teak due to oak shortages in Britain, in Bombay India,1817, and named for a famous naval engagementhttps://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/56/Battle_of_trincomalee_1782_mahan.png/220px-Battle_of_trincomalee_1782_mahan.png (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Battle_of_trincomalee_1782_mahan.png) HMS Trincomalee holds the distinction of being the oldest British warship still afloat as HMS Victory (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Victory), although 52 years her senior, is in dry dock (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dry_dock). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartlepool%27s_Maritime_Experience (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hartlepool%27s_Maritime_Experience) Turn-of-the-century British maritime artist, Henry Scott Tuke who's works have come back into vogue, often used the vessel in his works: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b2/Henry_Scott_Tuke_-_All_Hands_to_the_Pumps_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg/800px-Henry_Scott_Tuke_-_All_Hands_to_the_Pumps_-_Google_Art_Project.jpg "All Hands to the Pumps"

[Delanski]

She's a beauty

http://lh3.ggpht.com/__zoKJ77EvEc/S7R6Gy6X6UI/AAAAAAAADSQ/JdKT_hPK4ek/sinking-boat%20(9)%5B2%5D.jpg?imgmax=800

http://lh4.ggpht.com/__zoKJ77EvEc/S7R6Vtg53fI/AAAAAAAADSw/YFvbVoq9Z6I/sinking-boat%20%287%29%5B2%5D.jpg?imgmax=800

[mapuc]

EASTINDIAMAN GÖTHEBORG III (I hope the bridge-man is on duty):doh: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/7c/0c/f9/7c0cf92b1be86237b5474183cdc56c86.jpg

If you are interested its for sale The Foundation East Indiaman Götheborg have put it up for sale

Markus

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I'm interested:arrgh!: but where am I going to find 80 sailors and moor it! My marina(we ran aground a month ago!) is too shallow and she takes 5.2 metres draft!http://photos.marinetraffic.com/ais/showphoto.aspx?photoid=727362&size=(Sigh) gotta love those well spliced mainbraces!:Kaleun_Cheers:

[U505995]

The scene depicts a harsh hard life doesn't it? I would've rather ship out and have been at sea in those old days.

I was more interested in what kind of ship she was more than the name.

Three mast with what looks like 11 gun ports ... one clue is that this is now a Russian submarine base. Must have important defense capabilites, uh?
Not actually gun ports, it was an old trick to paint merchants like men of war to hopefully scare off marauders. She looks to be a three masted barque, most likely a whaler or cargo vessel.

[Saltback]

The Dutch vessel Europa
http://i.imgur.com/eNHHjNi.jpg

If this was My Ship Them Sails would be nicely pressed.:Kaleun_Binocular:

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Saltback! :salute:

[Jimbuna]

If this was My Ship Them Sails would be nicely pressed.:Kaleun_Binocular:

Best if you address that issue with the wife :03:

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If this was My Ship Them Sails would be nicely pressed.:Kaleun_Binocular:
NO Need the wind'll do it!:Kaleun_Wink:https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f1/SV_Europa_barque_2007-07.jpg/1024px-SV_Europa_barque_2007-07.jpgJUST FOR Catfish:woot:https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f9/70/e4/f970e454e06ef44cf9de02ccfae01306.jpg Seen here on Lake Superior..headed for Duluth MN??!!-one of few tall ships to use 'stud' sails and hit ten knots! https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/52/10/ab/5210abe7177b8b6d0e9967d3d25c9eec.jpgJUST looks 'bygone era good!:Kaleun_Applaud: https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/46/7a/d3/467ad35b206306518ac82d7a87da32cc.jpg

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Oosterschelde three-masted schooner https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/Oosterschelde_Kieler_Foerde.jpg/1024px-Oosterschelde_Kieler_Foerde.jpg

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HMS IMPLACABLE Téméraire-class ship-of-the-line & boy's training ship https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/9f/45/a4/9f45a46f7fa2e435a3ebfc9b26ed8b7b.jpg Originally the French 74 ship-of-the-line Duguay-Trouin; Present at Trafalgar, she escaped only to be captured one month later in 1805; and was the second oldest British warship after HMS VICTORY. In 1908 King Edward VII (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_VII_of_the_United_Kingdom) intervened to save the ship. Seen flying Lord Nelson's famous flag signal on Trafalgar Day 1943 >https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/The_Royal_Navy_during_the_Second_World_War_A19880. jpgthe Admiralty scuttled her by an explosive charge on 2 December 1949. A fireboat towed her to a spot east of the Isle of Wight; A French warship was in attendance to render honours. There were heavy protests against her disposal; however, given the post-War austerity the British decided against the cost of her restoration, which was estimated at £150,000 with another £50,000 for re-rigging. In 1947 they had offered her to the French, who too declined to spend the money to turn her into a museum. Still, her figurehead and stern galleries were saved and are on display in the National Maritime Museum (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Maritime_Museum) at Greenwich (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwich), https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/5/5f/HMS_Implacable_2887104801_cb3f578284_b.jpg/800px-HMS_Implacable_2887104801_cb3f578284_b.jpg while her capstan is on display at the maritime museum at Rochefort. Public reaction to the "criminal action against the maritime history of Britain" forced the government to support the preservation of Cutty Sark. Those who wanted to save historic ships saw that they must organise themselves more effectively. A few years later, they managed (yet again with royal help, from Prince Philip) to save the old tea-clipper Cutty Sark and preserve her in a dry-dock at Greenwich. In 1970 the Maritime Trust was founded, followed in 1979 by the World Ship Trust (http://www.worldshiptrust.org/about.html) which is now restoring over 400 historic vessels and has three times as many on its books. The motto of the World Ship Trust is “Implacable – Never Again”. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/HMS_Implacable_%281805%29_stern.JPG/1024px-HMS_Implacable_%281805%29_stern.JPGwiki

[Mr Quatro]

https://scontent-dft4-1.xx.fbcdn.net/t31.0-8/1490642_10153650357980576_1786246476_o.jpg

Sea Cloud. Built under the Gibbs & Cox brand, it was designed by the naval architect Philip L. Rhodes. The yacht was originally christened as Hussar V in April 1931 in Kiel, Germany during the dephts of the Great Depression, and was a commision of financier E. F. Hutton and his wife Marjorie Merriweather Post. Years later, and after their divorce, Mr. Hutton transferred the ship to his ex wife and it was registered under the new name, Sea Cloud. In the subsequent years the ship served as floating American embassy in the Soviet Union, and in 1942 was chartered to the US Navy. At the end of the war the ship returned to her original owner, and was restored to her original condition. In 1955 Marjorie Merriweather decided to put the ship up for sale. Since then the Sea Cloud has passed through several owners, each time christened with various names until 1978 when she was converted in a small luxury cruise ship and was again renamed Sea Cloud.

This great night photo of the ship was recently taken in the port of Santa Cruz de Tenerife, just in the same place where the SS United States was docked on her visit to the Spanish island on December 31, 1968.

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^MS Post was the driving force behind Hussar's décor, furnishing, and favored a black hull; http://www.seacloud.com/fileadmin/_migrated/textmedia_images/SY_Hussar_full_sails.jpg
The United States was pulled into the war by the attack of the Japanese on Pearl Harbor at the end of 1941. Shortly thereafter, the Navy started acquiring private yachts to strengthen the fleet and began to outfit them to patrol, search for submarines, and monitor weather.

http://www.seacloud.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_SC_Navy_duplex_01_eb0bbe7f48.jpg (http://www.seacloud.com/fileadmin/_migrated/textmedia_images/SC_Navy_duplex_01.jpg)


http://www.seacloud.com/fileadmin/_processed_/csm_SC_ohneMasten_01_duplex_77dfdd285c.jpg (http://www.seacloud.com/fileadmin/_migrated/textmedia_images/SC_ohneMasten_01_duplex.jpg)

President Franklin D. Roosevelt, who was a close friend of diplomat Davies, (Ms post's Husband) at first rejected "military service" for the SEA CLOUD on the grounds that the yacht was too beautiful for such a deployment. But by 1942 the USA could no longer afford this kind of nicety. Symbolically chartered for one dollar, the Coast Guard took over the SEA CLOUD, removed the masts and bowsprit and had the boat painted grey.
Not much was left of the impressive luxury yacht. Outfitted with guns and anti-submarine weapons, she cruised the waters around the Azores and south Greenland under the name IX-99. As a floating weather station, the ship sent current data to Arlington, Virginia every four hours.
USS IX-99 This is an account of the USS Sea Cloud, IX 99,http://www.uscg.mil/history/WEBCUTTERS/img/Sea_Cloud_1_sm.jpg which became an experiment in racial integration aboard U. S. naval vessels from December, 1943 to November, 1944. :Kaleun_Salute: http://www.uscg.mil/history/articles/Carlton_Skinner.asp (http://www.uscg.mil/history/articles/Carlton_Skinner.asp)

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http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/11/20/americas-cup-ac75-yacht-revealed/ (http://www.sailingscuttlebutt.com/2017/11/20/americas-cup-ac75-yacht-revealed/) I fear the 'America's Cup will not be returning to America soon! The combined Team New Zealand and Italian Luna Rossi return to monohull design is stunning https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2qG_YMrDs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rx2qG_YMrDs) The ground-breaking concept is achieved through the use of twin canting T-foils, ballasted to provide righting-moment when sailing, and roll stability at low speed. The normal sailing mode sees the leeward foil lowered to provide lift and enable foiling, with the windward foil raised out of the water to maximise the lever-arm of the ballast and reduce drag. In pre-starts and through manoeuvres, both foils can be lowered to provide extra lift and roll control, also useful in rougher sea conditions and providing a wider window for racing.

[Mr Quatro]

I would like to see that concept work in a model drone first ... before sailing it.

looks flimsy, uh?

[bertieck476]

Already missing the sailing season, smack is all snugged up for winter.
Some pics from this seasons racing.

Running to the outer mark
https://i.imgur.com/57xe2VR.jpg

Passing one of the barges competing in the same race
https://i.imgur.com/rWft0wy.jpg

A long turn back but we won.
https://i.imgur.com/EeqAoMz.jpg

Cheers Bert

[Mr Quatro]

"Juan Sebastián Elcano"

http://images.fineartamerica.com/images-medium/-spanish-tall-ship-juan-sebastian-de-elcano-max-mudie.jpg

The vessel, twin sister of the training ship "Esmeralda" of the Chilean Navy, was built in 1927 and named after the explorer who completed
the first circumnavigation in 1521.

The training ship belongs to the Spanish Navy since 1928. It has been around the world 10 times, has called in more than 180 ports in 70 countries,
and has sailed more than a million and a half nautical miles.

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the very latest addition to S.F. Bay's tall ships: the brigantine Matthew Turner https://www.latitude38.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/MT-bow-.jpg:Kaleun_Salute: https://www.latitude38.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/MT-beneath-GG-Bridge.jpg<Matthew Turner is a replica of the Galilee — one of 228 vessels built by the prolific ship designer and builder Matthew Turner.https://www.latitude38.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/06/MT-Two-icons.jpg