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Will driving license be obsolete in the future ?
That is what came into my mind, when I saw an episode on a Danish Science program- This episode was about future cars and the cars taking over more and more.
Some day in the future you can let your car take you from A to B without having done anything.
Maybe not a Driving License as we know it today, maybe some certificate-Instead of going to some driving school and use hours in traing to drive a car and hours of reading theories, you have some hours learning how to take the car from the place where it got broke to a "safe haven"
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Red October1984
10-27-15, 04:31 PM
Or maybe instead of driver licensing....they introduce a new system that enters all of your information into the cars onboard computer so that the car is only registered to you. Nobody else will be able to drive the car and nobody will be able to use the car without entering license data.
Who will develop this? Ubisoft Auto, inc.
I think it's going to be a few decades yet before driverless cars and transport come into full service. We've had driverless trains now for over two decades but they've remained either as small light transport devices (Docklands Light Railway) or have a driver on stand-by to take over if something goes wrong (Jubilee line underground) and the idea of taking the driver completely out of the cab has received a lot of negative pushback from Transport Unions. I can understand this, after all, it's going to make a lot of people unemployed if you remove the human factor from transportation driving. Likewise in aircraft, they can pretty much fly themselves on autopilot now, I'm not sure about take-off but I'm pretty sure the most recent Airbus (and therefore likely Boeing too) craft can land on autopilot. The amount of crew in the cockpit has reduced since I was a child, once upon a time there would be at least three, sometimes four. Pilot, Co-pilot, Navigator and Engineer. Now it's just Pilot and Co-pilot, with computers taking the role of Navigator and Engineer.
One question that I have seen come up again and again with regards to driverless cars, and it's one that I don't think that anyone has been able to get a good answer to. So far driverless cars have avoided accidents through their superior computing reflexes, but what would the computer car do if there came a time when it had to choose between crashing into a pedestrian, or into an inanimate object, thus injuring or killing the occupants of the car. Would it determine how many occupants are in the car and weigh that against the life of one person on the road and thus hit the person on the road and spare the four occupants of the car? How would it determine who to hurt and who to save?
That's a determination that is special to a road based vehicle as opposed to a train or ship or plane because of the open nature of the path the vehicle is travelling, you can't swerve around someone in a train :03:.
I would be very interested to see how such a scenario would be played out by the onboard computer, because you can guarantee that it will happen at some point and when it does and someone is hurt, the media will be all over it like flies.
what would the computer car do if there came a time when it had to choose between crashing into a pedestrian, or into an inanimate object, thus injuring or killing the occupants of the car. Would it determine how many occupants are in the car and weigh that against the life of one person on the road and thus hit the person on the road and spare the four occupants of the car? How would it determine who to hurt and who to save?
That's a determination that is special to a road based vehicle as opposed to a train or ship or plane because of the open nature of the path the vehicle is travelling, you can't swerve around someone in a train :03:.
I would be very interested to see how such a scenario would be played out by the onboard computer, because you can guarantee that it will happen at some point and when it does and someone is hurt, the media will be all over it like flies.
Made me remember this article
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/should-self-driving-car-be-programmed-kill-its-passengers-greater-good-scenario
Markus
Made me remember this article
http://www.iflscience.com/technology/should-self-driving-car-be-programmed-kill-its-passengers-greater-good-scenario
Markus
One possible solution would be to make the car and its occupants better able to withstand the possibility of a collision with a solid object, then the car would automatically serve off the road with the knowledge that even if it goes into a wall it won't kill the people inside it.
Quite how that happens is less simple, restraints can help and hinder equally, air bags are a possibility but if they deploy at the wrong time they can be problematic.
It's all a matter of Inertia and Mass.
Thanks Newton... :nope:
One possible solution would be to make the car and its occupants better able to withstand the possibility of a collision with a solid object, then the car would automatically serve off the road with the knowledge that even if it goes into a wall it won't kill the people inside it.
Quite how that happens is less simple, restraints can help and hinder equally, air bags are a possibility but if they deploy at the wrong time they can be problematic.
It's all a matter of Inertia and Mass.
Thanks Newton... :nope:
First this(about the safety for the driver and passengers)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qc1cX0abcJc
Second
Got this terrible thought
Car computer speaking:
Sir I have decided on the behalf of the many to let you die bye bye
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Sailor Steve
10-27-15, 07:02 PM
Reminds me of a joke I heard many years ago:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, welcome aboard the world's first fully automated flight. This aircraft is safer than any previous, and is flown entirely by computer, without pilots. The radar guidance technology is state-of-the-art, and there are seven levels of redundancy built in. We would like to reassure you that this is the safest aircraft ever built, and would only like to remind you that nothing can go wrong...can go wrong...can go wrong..."
One possible solution would be to make the car and its occupants better able to withstand the possibility of a collision with a solid object, then the car would automatically serve off the road with the knowledge that even if it goes into a wall it won't kill the people inside it.
Quite how that happens is less simple, restraints can help and hinder equally, air bags are a possibility but if they deploy at the wrong time they can be problematic.
It's all a matter of Inertia and Mass.
Thanks Newton... :nope:
The notion of restraints is fine only insofar as they are actually used. How many times have you seen news reports where someone is killed because they weren't wearing legally required seat belt restraints and thrown out of a car in an accident? One big problem is the fact a driverless car will just make it possible for the occupants to engage in other activities which may induce them to remove the restraints. We've all seen people putting on make up, shaving, reading, and any other number highly questionable activities while behind the wheel. A driverless car would be little more than a smaller personal bus and the occupants, including the nominal driver, would most likely be involved in activities occupying their attention other than management of the vehicle. It is an age-old problem: technology and progress is very often undone by human nature and human folly...
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ikalugin
10-27-15, 08:40 PM
craft can land on autopilot.Buran could land on autopilot. Modern USN aircraft could land on carriers on auto pilot if I remember it right.
TBH I dont think that crew's paychecks are a major cost in the aircraft operation because of the economies of scale crew wise and fuel costs/amortisation you get.
kraznyi_oktjabr
10-28-15, 04:24 AM
I'm quite sure that driver's licenses are not going anywhere. Problem I see with lesser certificate training is that if person is only able to safely park car into side of the road or at the most drive few kilometres at slow speed, then what will you do when computer breaks down in middle of nowhere? Would you rather know how to drive yourself to closest town or wait for hours for "rescue" to arrive?
I'm 26 years old and if I survive as long as my grandparents I will die when I'm about 86 years old. That means 60 years I'm not sure if that is enough for me to witness the day of automated cars routinely operating in public roads.
Consider automated trains. Technology required for them isn't new. Oldest example I'm aware of is exprerimental system used in passenger service in New York City Subway's 42nd Street shuttle from 1959 to 1964 (mostly destroyed in Grand Central fire and never repaired). This system was semi-automatic with drivers operating doors (as in Jubilee line mentioned already) but technology itself could have enabled fully automatic operation.
Despite tremendous advancements in technology over last 50 years automated trains are still restricted to few fully grade separated metro systems instead of being in widespread use. Currently it looks like this won't change in another half a century.
u crank
10-28-15, 05:40 AM
As a person who has been driving a car for over 35 years I have made one singular observation. Cars are made much safer these days. Seat belts, air bags, better braking systems, better lights, and now proximity warning etc. I have not seen any improvement in driver training or requirements for licensing and driver training. The only thing I can think of is Drivers Ed which both of my children took but it is optional. I tested and received my drivers license in 1969, and have never been required to retest. That is absurd. I would be very much in favor of much stricter driving exams and retesting at regular intervals. I see people every day who do not know or ignore the basic rules of the road. Make cars as safe as possible but the problem is still the person behind the wheel.
Aktungbby
10-28-15, 08:17 AM
I don't think driver licenses are going away; they are the basic Amerikan police state ID card. Case in point: while on the job I was asked for ID by a well-meaning but nosey MARIN County gendarme who "asked for ID". So no problem: I pulled out my USA PASSPORT CARD which is the finest ID on the planet, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Passport_card.jpg/190px-Passport_card.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Passport_card.jpg) and gave it to him. He thanked me and then asked for the driver license as he could not deal with a passport ID. Naturally, being on foot on my own turf with no time for rigamarole (also spelled rigmarole), I said "I'm not driving and you have the best ID in the world as per your request sir." And so it goes in small towns across "Merika".:timeout: The officer was not amused...but his partner was.:arrgh!: Even in 'Merika: I had complied and you only have to comply...ONCE!
Jimbuna
10-28-15, 08:20 AM
As a person who has been driving a car for over 35 years I have made one singular observation. Cars are made much safer these days. Seat belts, air bags, better braking systems, better lights, and now proximity warning etc. I have not seen any improvement in driver training or requirements for licensing and driver training. The only thing I can think of is Drivers Ed which both of my children took but it is optional. I tested and received my drivers license in 1969, and have never been required to retest. That is absurd. I would be very much in favor of much stricter driving exams and retesting at regular intervals. I see people every day who do not know or ignore the basic rules of the road. Make cars as safe as possible but the problem is still the person behind the wheel.
Rgr that :yep:
Despite tremendous advancements in technology over last 50 years automated trains are still restricted to few fully grade separated metro systems instead of being in widespread use. Currently it looks like this won't change in another half a century.
When the BART rail system was created in the late 60s in the San Francisco Bay Area, the trains were fully capable of autonomous operation and the BART authorities flirted with idea but public ill-ease with the idea made it necessary to have operators in the cabs. Oddly, there was public outcry over 'featherbedding' since the impression was the operators would simply be sitting in the cabs drawing a paycheck for doing nothing...
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We are talking about two things here
1. Safety-Prevent a drunken person to drive the car and prevent some thief from stealing it.
2. Psychology- Even if we had to go through a 5 years education to get a license to drive a car there will always be persons who drive like they had left the brain at home.
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Wolferz
10-30-15, 04:38 AM
Or maybe instead of driver licensing....they introduce a new system that enters all of your information into the cars onboard computer so that the car is only registered to you. Nobody else will be able to drive the car and nobody will be able to use the car without entering license data.
Who will develop this? Ubisoft Auto, inc.
There's a frightening thought...:haha:
Jimbuna
10-30-15, 08:20 AM
There's a frightening thought...:haha:
LOL :)
Scarier thought: The Apple iCar:
[Salesman] Yes, the Apple iCar is a quantum leap forward in automotive engineering and a re-imagining of the total concept of what the driving experience should be.
[Customer] Are there any downsides?
[Salesman] None at all. You have the rich history of Apple innovation and quality to support your purchase.
[Customer] OK, I'll buy one!
[Salesman] Sign here.(Customer signs.) Now the condition of ownership are these: you can only use Apple tires, parts, fuel, and any other items pertaining to the operation of the vehicle. Please note the iCar will not function unless you also buy an Apple iPhone or iPad. Also, it is expected you will buy a new iCar at least once a year when Apple makes upgrades to the iCar. As a new, original iCar owner, you will be given Priority Status guaranteeing you a place in at least the second one hundred customer waiting to buy the next iCar upgrade. Enjoy your motoring experience!...
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Platapus
10-31-15, 08:10 AM
Putting on my Election Officer hat...
/thread derail
Driving licenses won't become obsolete as they are the most common form of ID used when casting a vote in an election. Hint Hint
Tuesday is Election day in many of the states. Hint Hint hint.
Please vote. Hint Hint Hint hint
/thread re-rail
:)
Putting on my Election Officer hat...
/thread derail
Driving licenses won't become obsolete as they are the most common form of ID used when casting a vote in an election. Hint Hint
Tuesday is Election day in many of the states. Hint Hint hint.
Please vote. Hint Hint Hint hint
/thread re-rail
:)
You could be right I wasn't thinking outside the box(Europe) Here, well in most of the countries we have identification card(ID-card) Of course you can also use the driving license or your passport, but about 90-95 % of the people in Denmark and Sweden use their ID-card.
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Platapus
10-31-15, 04:04 PM
You could be right I wasn't thinking outside the box(Europe) Here, well in most of the countries we have identification card(ID-card) Of course you can also use the driving license or your passport, but about 90-95 % of the people in Denmark and Sweden use their ID-card.
Markus
National ID cards is a contentious issue in the US.
After all, if we have a national ID card, The Government (cue dramatic music) could easily throw us in concentration camps. But since we have state ID cards, we are safe. :doh::D
National ID cards is a contentious issue in the US.
After all, if we have a national ID card, The Government (cue dramatic music) could easily throw us in concentration camps. But since we have state ID cards, we are safe. :doh::D
Didn't the Feds do an end run around the issue a few years back by standardizing state DLs?
Platapus
11-01-15, 07:38 AM
Didn't the Feds do an end run around the issue a few years back by standardizing state DLs?
There was the REAL ID act of 2005 that established some basic standards of what information should be on a driver's license. Prior to that, State issued driver's licenses were rather diverse in nature.
The information is still maintained by the State Government, so technically it is not a "national ID card". But let's be honest, the federal government has access through the states. Simply keeping information at the state level does not mean that the federal government can't have access.
However the amount of data available to the government (state and federal) still pales in comparison to what Google and other mega-corporations already know, share, and sell about us. :shifty:
Aktungbby
11-01-15, 10:48 AM
I don't think driver licenses are going away; they are the basic Amerikan police state ID card.National ID cards is a contentious issue in the US.
After all, if we have a national ID card, The Government (cue dramatic music) could easily throw us in concentration camps. But since we have state ID cards, we are safe. :doh::D
Didn't the Feds do an end run around the issue a few years back by standardizing state DLs?
The information is still maintained by the State Government, so technically it is not a "national ID card". But let's be honest, the federal government has access through the states. Simply keeping information at the state level does not mean that the federal government can't have access.
GOTT BLEß 'MERIKA! Land of the licensed; home of the not-so-frei. when I referred to a 'nosey gendarme', I was putting it politely. The dual-sovereignty of dual citizenship between 50 native states and the Federal government can be onerous at times especially when the sovereign citizen is assumed to be the bad guy pro-forma. I was intrigued on my last visit to Britain at Runnymede as our knowledgeable guide pointed out that "'English men 'in their own land'" do not have to carry an ID with them... It helps: "Queen Elizabeth does not hold a passport. Since all British passports are issued in the queen’s name, she herself doesn’t need one. She also doesn’t require a driver’s license, though she has been known to take joyrides around her various estates in her Range Rover." Frankly I'm envious. Try not having a photo-ID in 'Merika on any given day!
Platapus
11-01-15, 02:36 PM
Try not having a photo-ID in 'Merika on any given day!
You probably would not have any problems. With some exceptions, there is no requirement for a citizen to carry ID. Now if that citizen wants to do specific things that require an ID, then they must have ID in order to do those things.
But you can still shop for food, ride buses, and live a happy life without ever showing ID.
You probably would not have any problems. With some exceptions, there is no requirement for a citizen to carry ID. Now if that citizen wants to do specific things that require an ID, then they must have ID in order to do those things.
But you can still shop for food, ride buses, and live a happy life without ever showing ID.
The same goes here in Denmark and Sweden. A person only show his or her ID-card when he or she has to get parcel or some special letter at the local post office, and maybe at some discotheque(age control)
In years they have been talking about a European ID-card that can be used in every EU-country and as substitute for the passport
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ikalugin
11-01-15, 04:48 PM
You probably would not have any problems. With some exceptions, there is no requirement for a citizen to carry ID. Now if that citizen wants to do specific things that require an ID, then they must have ID in order to do those things.
But you can still shop for food, ride buses, and live a happy life without ever showing ID.
In ru you could be stoped by a police patrol and get asked to produce an ID. If you don't I think they are allowed to get you to the police station in order to verify your ID.
pognivet
11-07-15, 07:01 AM
computers arent all theyre cracked up to be theres over 10,000 errors on average in the code for united states ballistic missile targeting systems giving over your life to the computer is like giving it over to satan in the future everyone will have to get microchips on their right hand or their forehead in order to buy or sell and if you dont get one you cant drive or use public transportation or receive social security or apply for college the computer is primarily a tool of the oppressor it is used to put things on file even at the time were living in most people get their news and information from the internet but a site can easily be deleted or shut down forever and that information is lost forever unlike when its in a physical form so like i said to trust your life every day to a computer to drive a car is insane when the software that is supposed to synchronize the rotors on the v22 osprey supposedly the most advanced transportation aircraft in the world malfunction regularly and kill a ton of people even without cars being fully automated to have them controlled by a central processor has caused a ton of deaths such as the toyota scandal where the car would accelerate and wouldnt stop and now we live in a police state so if the car has wireless connection the police can just shut the car off from a distance and kill you or take you to jail like they do with rodney king and sam dubose and kelly thomas and waleter scott well thats my two cents see you later :rock::yeah::salute::sunny::sunny:
Sailor Steve
11-07-15, 07:44 AM
:o
Here's a new word to look up: Punctuation.
Stealhead
11-07-15, 08:32 AM
:haha:
Jimbuna
11-07-15, 10:03 AM
Take a deep breath and see how far you can get :hmm2:
Aktungbby
11-07-15, 12:24 PM
computers aren't all they're cracked up to be. there's over 10,000 errors on average in the code for united states ballistic missile targeting systems. giving over your life to the computer is like giving it over to satan. in the future, everyone will have to get microchips on their right hand or their forehead in order to buy or sell; and if you don't get one, you can't drive or use public transportation or receive social-security or apply for college. the computer is primarily a tool of the oppressor. it is used to put things on file even. at the time we're living in, most people get their news and information from the internet; but a site can easily be deleted or shut down forever and that information is lost forever, unlike when its in a physical form. so like i said: "to trust your life every day to a computer to drive a car is insane". when the software that is supposed to synchronize the rotors on the v-22 osprey, supposedly the most advanced transportation aircraft in the world, malfunction regularly and kill a ton of people. even without cars being fully automated; to have them controlled by a central processor has caused a ton of deaths, such as the toyota scandal where the car would accelerate and wouldnt stop. and now... we live in a police state; so if the car has wireless connection, the police can just shut the car off from a distance and kill you or take you to jail like they do with rodney king and sam dubose and kelly thomas and waleter scott. well thats my two cents! see you later! :rock::yeah::salute::sunny::sunny:
FIX'D :har: But seriously: several famous authors dispensed with punctuation (and made money at it) http://qwiklit.com/2014/03/05/top-10-authors-who-ignored-the-basic-rules-of-punctuation/ (http://qwiklit.com/2014/03/05/top-10-authors-who-ignored-the-basic-rules-of-punctuation/) McCarthy(No Country for Old Men) told Oprah. “I mean, if you write properly you shouldn’t have to punctuate.” With a slew of literary awards under his belt, Cormac McCarthy certainly is not one to challenge when it comes to defining “writing properly”.:yeah: Faulkner’s advice to tackling it? “Read it four times.” :woot:
Buddahaid
11-07-15, 12:46 PM
This is what happens when you use a "smart" phone and don't feel like slowing down.
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Here's a new word to look up: Punctuation.
e e cummings and Don Marquis would like to have a word with you... :D
This is what happens when you use a "smart" phone and don't feel like slowing down.
...also what happens when the phone is the smarter entity...
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Stealhead
11-07-15, 09:49 PM
FIX'D :har: But seriously: several famous authors dispensed with punctuation (and made money at it) http://qwiklit.com/2014/03/05/top-10-authors-who-ignored-the-basic-rules-of-punctuation/ (http://qwiklit.com/2014/03/05/top-10-authors-who-ignored-the-basic-rules-of-punctuation/) McCarthy(No Country for Old Men) told Oprah. “I mean, if you write properly you shouldn’t have to punctuate.” With a slew of literary awards under his belt, Cormac McCarthy certainly is not one to challenge when it comes to defining “writing properly”.:yeah: Faulkner’s advice to tackling it? “Read it four times.” :woot:
That(text wall) dose not read in any way like Blood Meridian or The Crossing. Just saying.
u crank
11-07-15, 09:53 PM
That(text wall) dose not read in any way like Blood Meridian. Just saying.
You be right. My favorite western. :yep:
Aktungbby
11-07-15, 11:32 PM
That(text wall) dose not read in any way like Blood Meridian or The Crossing. Just saying.
You be right. My favorite western. :yep:
True 'nuff! But we at :subsim: cannot be responsible for traumatizing the next budding young Becket in his/her formative years! Now: uncroossed T's, undotted I's, and missing umlaüts...that's "inexcusable"! :03:
kraznyi_oktjabr
11-08-15, 04:06 AM
Putting on my Election Officer hat...
/thread derail
Driving licenses won't become obsolete as they are the most common form of ID used when casting a vote in an election. Hint Hint
Tuesday is Election day in many of the states. Hint Hint hint.
Please vote. Hint Hint Hint hint
/thread re-rail
:)A little question: What is legal status of driver's license in US? Here in Finland driver's license is not legal ID document, only official ID card and passport are. This despite fact that previously driver's licenses were issued by police (now by Trafi). In practice however there is no major difference: both are accepted as proof of age in night clubs, liquor stores etc. or as proof of identity in banks (as far as I know, I don't have driver's license so don't know for sure of banks).
Platapus
11-08-15, 07:57 AM
A little question: What is legal status of driver's license in US? Here in Finland driver's license is not legal ID document, only official ID card and passport are. This despite fact that previously driver's licenses were issued by police (now by Trafi). In practice however there is no major difference: both are accepted as proof of age in night clubs, liquor stores etc. or as proof of identity in banks (as far as I know, I don't have driver's license so don't know for sure of banks).
An interesting question.
In the US, there is no single identification document that applies to all citizens. Members of the military have federal military ID cards and citizens who choose to travel passports. But neither of those conditions pertain to the majority of citizens.
The only federal document that the majority (but not all) citizens have is their Social Security Administration Identify Card (commonly called Social Security Card). But since this card does not have a picture on it, it only serves to help identify someone when associated with other forms of picture ID.
Identification documents are normally at the State level. But even State issued ID documents are not required. As I wrote before, if a citizen wishes to use a service they may be required to have ID, but it is still possible to live, albeit getting more difficult, without a state issued ID.
Since most people drive in the US and in order to operate a motor vehicle on the public roads, a citizen must have and carry a driver's license, the DL has become a de facto "ID card" in the US.
Citizens who choose not to drive can get a State ID card to carry if they so wish.
One of the more contentious issues is whether the police have the right to stop a citizen and ask "let me see your papers!". That conservation gets people spun up more than guns in this country.
This all originated from the basis of our country. Originally we were truly a union of individual states, hence the name United States of America. The original intent was that each state would be responsible for what happens inside its borders and that the federal government would only handle those specific inter-state issues.
Unfortunately/fortunately, there has been a movement for the past 150 years to move toward what could be accurately called "the United Federation of America where the federal government has much more authority inside each individual state.
Now there are advantages and disadvantages to the United Federation of America.
However,it is my opinion that a move from the United States of America to the United Federation of America needs to be done wittingly and with the express consent of the citizens. Unfortunately, the transition to the UFA has been by a series of tiny (and not so tiny) steps for the past 150 years stating with the implementation of the Incorporation Doctrine with respect to the US Constitution--- a decision never put directly to the citizens for approval.
So right now, the State issued Driver's license/ID card is the closest thing to a nationally accepted ID card.
IN 2005, the US Congress passed the REA LID Act (PL 109-13) which was designed to implement some standard in the different state issued ID. Before 2005, there was no real interstate standardization of state issued ID cards-- each state did it their way.
One of the major complaints of the REAL ID Act was that by the federal government mandating interstate standardization, this was creating a de facto national ID card. The counter to this is that each state controls and keeps the identifying information. The counter to this counter is that the states share information freely between themselves and federal government.
Things are seldom easy in the USA/UFA. :03:
Aktungbby
11-08-15, 11:12 AM
An interesting question.
In the US, there is no single identification document that applies to all citizens. Members of the military have federal military ID cards and citizens who choose to travel passports. But neither of those conditions pertain to the majority of citizens.
Since most people drive in the US and in order to operate a motor vehicle on the public roads, a citizen must have and carry a driver's license, the DL has become a de facto "ID card" in the US.
One of the major complaints of the REAL ID Act was that by the federal government mandating interstate standardization, this was creating a de facto national ID card. The counter to this is that each state controls and keeps the identifying information. The counter to this counter is that the states share information freely between themselves and federal government.
Things are seldom easy in the USA/UFA. :03: I don't think driver licenses are going away; they are the basic Amerikan police state ID card. Case in point: while on the job I was asked for ID by a well-meaning but nosey MARIN County gendarme who "asked for ID". So no problem: I pulled out my USA PASSPORT CARD which is the finest ID on the planet, https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Passport_card.jpg/190px-Passport_card.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Passport_card.jpg) and gave it to him. He thanked me and then asked for the driver license as he could not deal with a passport ID. Naturally, being on foot on my own turf with no time for rigamarole (also spelled rigmarole), I said "I'm not driving and you have the best ID in the world as per your request sir." And so it goes in small towns across "Merika".:timeout: The officer was not amused...but his partner was.:arrgh!: Even in 'Merika: I had complied and you only have to comply...ONCE!
Precisely. The driver license is the universal American ID as police cruiser's computers are tied to it for convenient field work. In social security offices, I've accepted YMCA cards with a photo or even credit cards with photos to those who been robbed of wallets and are replacing lost or stolen S.S. cards.(birth certificates are preferred) The latest passport card, I use for land travel only, to Mexico or Canada, is pretty technically advanced counterfeit-wise...I see it as the coming thing for an Amerikan 'universal ID'. Still it's not something an officer can readily tie into on his computer...yet. In California at least , when a Peace Officer asks you for ID, you are required to comply.:hmmm:
Rockstar
11-08-15, 06:04 PM
A drivers license is also source of revenue for the state and job security for bureaucrats. So no, I dont think it will never go away.
On a side note, I know states have changed most of their fishery law to conform to that of the federal laws too.
OK, maybe not obsolete, maybe a new kind of driving license in the future
I also forgot the differences in how this license is used and how your get it.
In Sweden-Where I got my license, you have to master in theory and practice 12 modules The day you are doing the driving test, you do not know which of these twelve modules driving instructor test you on.
And its almost the same in Denmark
It was this I had in my mind when I wrote this thread and had a fresh memory of these future car program in my head.
Markus
Aktungbby
11-08-15, 06:56 PM
OK, maybe not obsolete, maybe a new kind of driving license in the future
I also forgot the differences in how this license is used and how your get it.
In Sweden-Where I got my license, you have to master in theory and practice 12 modules The day you are doing the driving test, you do not know which of these twelve modules driving instructor test you on.
And its almost the same in Denmark
It was this I had in my mind when I wrote this thread and had a fresh memory of these future car program in my head.
MarkusWith my luck, I'd get the snow/ice and putting on tire chains module!:damn: :Kaleun_Mad:
With my luck, I'd get the snow/ice and putting on tire chains module!:damn: :Kaleun_Mad:
I forgot one module every one has to do and has to get cleared before the driving test it is the slippery roads courses
This module was added to the driving school in the 80s due to many accident in the winter and that many of the victims didn't really knew what to do when their car started to sliding on the roadway
Markus
So I guess being able to pull Brodies doesn't impress them?
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