Net Neutrality may have just kicked the bucket in the European Union

[VipertheSniper]

Today was the the vote in the European Parliament that's talked about in both articles and no amendments to the proposal pushed by the European Council were made.

https://medium.com/@schewick/europe-is-about-to-adopt-bad-net-neutrality-rules-here-s-how-to-fix-them-bbfa4d5df0c8#.wm8wamjcl

https://medium.com/backchannel/why-we-should-join-the-movement-to-save-the-internet-in-europe-larry-lessig-and-barbara-van-189b7206c6ac#.7xssoimdo

What irks me the most about this whole ordeal, because members of the parliament saw no way that the council would accept any of the proposed amendments, they just decided to cave in, even though they agreed with the amendments.

Guess it's time to invest in telecom businesses, because they'll make fortune ripping customers off.

[Betonov]

Maybe my country will still defy the EU vote and...

oh wait, I live where we love to get double penetrated by Brussels and DC while giving felatio to Moscow :/\\!!

[STEED]

Toff Boy we want the referendum vote now!


We in the UK are getting a in/out of the EU vote in 2017. Sounds like it should be moved forward fast and now.

[mapuc]

I have read it, but do not understand the content of this-maybe it is due to my bad knowledge when it comes to internet a.s.o.

Markus

[VipertheSniper]

I think this video can explain this better than I ever could:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6fXpo8uQtA

[mapuc]

I think this video can explain this better than I ever could:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6fXpo8uQtA

Thank you

Now I know what it mean and why you wrote

"Guess it's time to invest in telecom businesses, because they'll make fortune ripping customers off"

Markus

[VipertheSniper]

It's rather long winded (over an hour) but it also provides a few good counterpoints to net neutrality, or rather giving governments the power to regulate, the internet or, how ISP's have to do their business
I don't share his sentiment that the free market will regulate itself to the best interest of the costumer, but I guess it's always good to hear both sides of the argument.

I think the video should really be named "My opinion about net neutrality" rather than "The Truth about net neutrality". From what I can gather some of his views are rather controversial, so if there's any discussion about his views, let's keep them on the topic of net neutrality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Z_nBhfpmk4

[ikalugin]

Some ISPs in Russia violate net neutralities I guess, because mobile internet providers cut your bandwidth if you:
- abuse hotspot trafic.
- use it for torrents and other file sharing services.
- if you over use traffic in general (above certain limit even for unlimited broadband).
The way it is formally justified that the real bandwidth (above "guaranteed") is dependent on the network status.


Does the same thing happen anywhere else?

[Jimbuna]

Just another normal day in the crazy world of the EU I guess.

Shouldn't be long before others join the UK lead in giving the people that matter a say in a referendum.

[Betonov]

Well, remember that politicians are magicians.
One hand to shift our focus and the other to steal our candy.

We were so affraid of some phantom islamic danger that they simply went and stole net neutrality without anyone bating an eye.

Bravo, bravo.

[Skybird]

(http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2354130#post2354130)"Net neutrality may have kicked the bucket"...?

It HAS been kicked for sure. This was achieved by simply exchanging the meaning of ecisting "net neutrality" - and absence of it. Now neutrality gets claimed, while its opposite has been opened all doors, gates and windows for in invitation. Who thinks companies will not accept this invitation, must be naive.

I wonder whether the useless politicians voting for it even realised what they did. I mean on TTIP the German parliament memebers demanded a copy of all treaty drafts and arrangements to educate themselves on what they were told they should vote over in the near future - and the EU commission sends them the full set of papers indeed- ALL PAGES blackened. And demanded they should pass it once voting day comes, since they now had what they wanted.

[Betonov]

Slovenia voted against.

Wow, so the retards we pay for their ''work holliday'' in Strassbourg actually did something right. Must have been drunk. I can't expect a sensible decision from people I once described as aborted donkey fetuses.

[Oberon]

Just another normal day in the crazy world of the EU I guess.

Shouldn't be long before others join the UK lead in giving the people that matter a say in a referendum.

Aye, give the Tories a chance to one up the EU when it comes to incompetence.

[Respenus]

Slovenia voted against.

Wow, so the retards we pay for their ''work holliday'' in Strassbourg actually did something right. Must have been drunk. I can't expect a sensible decision from people I once described as aborted donkey fetuses.

Actually you should not be surprised. At the end of the day, they are politicians and being literally inundated with messages telling them to support net neutrality or face the music back home, is reason enough to vote in the direction of the legislation already in force in Slovenia. Plus, not all of them as that bad, just that our media has absolutely no idea how to report about them or their political powers in the real-world.

Going back to the wider issue, I have to play the Devil's advocate for the EU here (at least for the European Parliament). I will not go into detail about net neutrality as such, but point out that in the position voted by the EP before last year's elections, net neutrality amendments were added in after a lengthy battle.

Unfortunately, the Council of the EU, under the leadership of Germany (whose politicians seems to be completely and absolutely clueless about how the digital economy works, just look at Oettinger!), decided to run roughshod over the entire concept. You only need to look at roaming charges for additional evidence. Roaming was supposed to be completely removed in a short while, now they moved the date to middle 2017 and even then, mobile providers will have a large degree of leniency.

What I want to say, direct some of your ire at the national politicians as well. Your industry/digital affairs ministers as just as responsible as MEPs!

As concerns the British EU referendum, the Bullingdon club toff is even more likely to sell you out to the companies once all European "constraints" are removed.

[mapuc]

I don't know if this has a given name or so

Here in Denmark and Sweden you can chose how high speed you want

20/20 50/10 or 100/10 of course depending of your choice you pay more if you want the highest speed.

Markus

[VipertheSniper]

yeah I guess that's the same everywhere... still with all the fuzzy wording in that decision ISP's can basically do as they please with the traffic. You might have a 100/10 connection, but if streaming is throttled because you didn't pay up for that extra streaming package, your provider just got the license to invent, you might get just enough bandwidth out of it to stream a video in SD.

Yeah they'll charge the content providers for access to their fast lanes.
But they'll do the same with the customers too. After all those are the fast lanes and to use 'em you gotta pay, unless you use our own crappy service (at least some telecom companies are also in the business of content provision) which doesn't hold a candle to Netflix et al. but is free for you (at first), our beloved customer, and available in HD.

If you've read the articles I've posted, especially the first one, and see the points criticized not as separate but as a whole, you might see why the above scenario isn't unlikely.

[Skybird]

Wowh . It didn't take them long.

http://www.telekom.com/media/management-to-the-point/291728

[mapuc]

yeah I guess that's the same everywhere... still with all the fuzzy wording in that decision ISP's can basically do as they please with the traffic. You might have a 100/10 connection, but if streaming is throttled because you didn't pay up for that extra streaming package, your provider just got the license to invent, you might get just enough bandwidth out of it to stream a video in SD.

Yeah they'll charge the content providers for access to their fast lanes.
But they'll do the same with the customers too. After all those are the fast lanes and to use 'em you gotta pay, unless you use our own crappy service (at least some telecom companies are also in the business of content provision) which doesn't hold a candle to Netflix et al. but is free for you (at first), our beloved customer, and available in HD.

If you've read the articles I've posted, especially the first one, and see the points criticized not as separate but as a whole, you might see why the above scenario isn't unlikely.


Made me remember when I lived in Sweden-I had Bredbandsbolaget=Broadbandcompany as my provider I had 100/10 and sometimes I had very low speed(depending on the page I visits) I and others was told that this 100/10 is only guaranteed between two person who both have Bredbandsbolaget as provider. It was clearly in the "small text"

Markus

[Betonov]

The way I have it is that you have multiple choices, low speed for cheap and then higher speed with higher monthly fee and until you decide to change the package they can't throttle you up or down no matter the amount of data or torrents you download/upload.

I wonder what will change.