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– shot dead by police
The writing below is a copy from aftonbladet.se English version
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At least three people have been killed after an attack at a school in the Swedish city of Trollhättan.
One of those who has been confirmed dead is the attacker. The other two is a teacher and a minor.
Several others are now being treated in hospital
It was just after 10 A.M Thursday the police got an alarm from the school ”Kronan” in Trollhättan.
A masked man, later identified as a 21-year old male, was attacking teachers and students at the school.
The man was carrying several knife like weapon, one of which has been described as a sword.
Male teacher killed
When the police arrived on the scene they found a male teacher dead just inside the doors to the school.
Another male teacher was found wounded as well as two boys, aged 11 and 15. They are now being treated in hospital.
When the police entered the school they were attacked by the masked man.
Shot by police
He was then shot by the police.
– Two shots was fired. One hit its target and disarmed the man, said police spokesperson Thomas Fuxborg.
The attacker was being treated at the hospital, but died in the afternoon.
Later in the afternoon, police struck against a residence building in Trollhättan.
”Thought it was a joke”
About 400 kids are studying at the school. One of the students told the Swedish network SVT about how they reacted when the swordsman attacked.
– When we first saw him we thought it was a joke. He was wearing a mask and black clothes and was carrying a long sword. Students wanted to take pictures with him, said Laith, 14, to the network.
When the news about the attack broke, Sweden's prime minister, Stefan Löfven, immediately cancelled his appointments for the day and went to Trollhättan.
Skolverket, Sweden's National Agency for Education, said that attacks like these are very uncommon in Sweden. "
Markus
Suggestion: Let's keep this thread to expressing condolences to family of the two who have died in this incident.
I'll start.
This is a terrible incident and I express my condolences to the family of the two people who have died and my hope that those injured can make a full and swift recovery.
Buddahaid
10-22-15, 02:42 PM
Tragic indeed and I'll save my other remarks for another day.
Rockstar
10-23-15, 08:01 AM
Whats on the list to ban and control today? Heck, lets just take it to the inevitable and start locking people up in rubber rooms at birth, for their own good of course.
Maybe we need a new thread, "Edged weapons control".
Whats on the list to ban and control today? Heck, lets just take it to the inevitable and start locking people up in rubber rooms at birth, for their own good of course.
Maybe we need a new thread, "Edged weapons control".
http://www.syfy.co.uk/sites/syfy.co.uk/files/migrated/news/TommyLeeJonesCaptainAmerica-thumb-550x406-39774.jpg
Skybird
10-23-15, 10:56 AM
Whats on the list to ban and control today? Heck, lets just take it to the inevitable and start locking people up in rubber rooms at birth, for their own good of course.
Maybe we need a new thread, "Edged weapons control".
Sssshhht, many friends and relatives of the victims in here, don't step on their toes so carelessly!
Just saying, as a former sword-owner myself.
Aktungbby
10-23-15, 12:05 PM
Maybe we need a new thread, "Edged weapons control".
Sssshhht, many friends and relatives of the victims in here, don't step on their toes so carelessly!
Just saying, as a former sword-owner myself.let's stay 'well tempered' here shall we?:k_confused:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJ0_DW9mCc (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxJ0_DW9mCc) :03: psst! actor Scott Forbes: Forbes was born in High Wycombe (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Wycombe), Buckinghamshire (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buckinghamshire). He attended Repton (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Repton_School), and then studied Philosophy, Politics, and Economics (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philosophy,_Politics,_and_Economics) at Balliol College (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balliol_College,_Oxford), Oxford (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Oxford). He worked for the Ministry of Defence (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ministry_of_Defence_(United_Kingdom)) before settling on a performing career. IMHO he is to Jim Bowie what Errol Flynn is to Robin Hood! :up:
Jeff-Groves
10-23-15, 05:26 PM
don't step on their toes so carelessly!
Why not?
You think any comments about things in the U.S.A. don't step on toes or offend family or friends of victims?
No. I guess not.
After all it is an InterNational forum where you demand your say but ask us to not speak out when it concerns you Over the Ponders.
Get a grip!
Nippelspanner
10-23-15, 05:37 PM
Why not?
You think any comments about things in the U.S.A. don't step on toes or offend family or friends of victims?
No. I guess not.
After all it is an InterNational forum where you demand your say but ask us to not speak out when it concerns you Over the Ponders.
Get a grip!
#sarcasm
Jeff-Groves
10-23-15, 06:01 PM
#sarcasm
# astute observation
Buddahaid
10-23-15, 11:40 PM
# astute observation
I prefer to stay classy and leave that ball in the other court. :shucks:
Jimbuna
10-24-15, 08:37 AM
Tragic, the only positive being he won't be harming anyone else again.
According to aftonbladet.se the police and others who has investigated his background can't find anything that made him do this terrible things
As some one said-Thousands of young men listen to that kind of music and read stuff and watch the same kind of clips and they do not harm a living thing.
So they are so to say confused to what made him do this.
I'm not a psychiatrist I can only say something must have made his brain go berserk
Buddahaid
10-24-15, 04:44 PM
A brain tumor perhaps, too many Big Macs, or maybe he was just a time bomb.
I found it strange that in the photo of him I saw he's wearing a stahlhelm and the article says Darth Vader mask. I saw that helm and said to myself he's a Nazi instantly yet that is somehow a news revelation a day later.
Skybird
10-24-15, 05:10 PM
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34618480
Clad in black, with a Darth Vader-like mask, a Nazi helmet and a sword, Anton Lundin Pettersson marched like a soldier through the school corridors, singling out those with dark skin to attack.
"It's a mixture of craziness and political action," said Professor Jerzy Sarnecki from Stockholm University's Department of Criminology.
"This is not a person without psychological problems. But he has been inspired by the discourse we have in this country now related to the question of refugees and foreigners."
Sweden expects to receive 190,000 asylum applications this year, one of the highest rates per capita in Europe.
Support for the far right has risen as Sweden's ability to house and integrate the new arrivals comes under strain.
(...)
Sweden already has a huge Muslim culture - and nothing but problems, problems and more problems with it - since years. And it becomes worse and worse. Their socialist leaders do not get the clues, however, and want to prove that reality bends to ideology.
The acceptance for political rightwingers in Germany is raising, too, since the Völkerwanderung began. Same in Switzerland, Austria, Hungary,...
Betonov
10-25-15, 02:17 AM
Is there any surprise white nutjobs go on crusades when there are bullcrap vendors and fear mongorers like Sky on every corner now :nope:
AndyJWest
10-25-15, 02:23 AM
Is there any surprise white nutjobs go on crusades when there are bullcrap vendors and fear mongorers like Sky on every corner now :nope:
Well said.
Skybird
10-25-15, 06:17 AM
Being realistic about limits for migration = nutjob.
Being critical of hostile values of foreign cultures and religious totalitarianism = fearmongering.
Defending historically grown own cultural identity and not accepting that just any foreigner and his views necessarily must be installed in it and must be allowed to change it by his origin's example = xenophobia.
Calling out hard statistical facts about the failure of Muslim integration in European states = Islamophobia.
One just has to stand far enough on the extreme left, and the rest of the world appears to be all right.
Lunacy, when turning pandemic, gets called "reason".
Is there any surprise white nutjobs go on crusades when there are bullcrap vendors and fear mongorers like Sky on every corner now :nope:
Well said.
Aye, they always make me shake my head in disbelief.
It's funny really, in a way, because you have this group of people who are constantly saying how that X is going to ruin us all, how we must be on our guard against X because there's no such thing as a good X, they're all followers of a violent belief and they're a danger. That we must remove X from our nation and implement laws to protect us from X.
I think maybe they consider themselves a modern day Paul Revere, typing through the night to warn us of the approaching danger of X.
The funniest thing of them all is, X can be anything, but the attitude is still the same. For some people X is Muslims or Islam, for some people X are black people, and for some people X is non-Muslims...and we tend to call the last group of people radical Imams.
Still, these group of people must sleep with a clean conscience each night because they could not possibly influence the people with mental health problems into doing such stupid and terrible things such as attacking people with guns, swords or explosives. No, not at all, because telling the world constantly that a certain group is going to kill us all, that we must resist the influence of X and the dangerous people that it creates would most definitely not influence someone to go out and try to attack X in order to 'save' the world/people/western world. Definitely not.
Jimbuna
10-25-15, 10:16 AM
Nothing wrong with debating and disagreeing with others opinions and viewpoints, even to the point of arguing to a certain degree.
Resorting to name calling and insults can be problematic though.
Tchocky
10-25-15, 10:29 AM
Being realistic about limits for migration = nutjob.
Congratulations on missing the point entirely.
You don't need me to explain it to you, you're smart enough to know who the "nutjobs" are in Betonov's post.
Intentional stupid misunderstanding is really unnecessary.
Victim complex is shaping up nicely though.
Betonov
10-25-15, 10:38 AM
Being realistic about limits for migration = you are not
Being critical of hostile values of foreign cultures and religious totalitarianism = you are not
Defending historically grown own cultural identity and not accepting that just any foreigner and his views necessarily must be installed in it and must be allowed to change it by his origin's example = you are not
Calling out hard statistical facts about the failure of Muslim integration in European states = you are not
or the short version:
Being realistic = you are not
Skybird
10-25-15, 12:28 PM
Congratulations on missing the point entirely.
You don't need me to explain it to you, you're smart enough to know who the "nutjobs" are in Betonov's post.
Actually you are correct, I indeed mistook one part of his volley of strong words for another one. :salute:
Replace "nutjob" with "bullcrap vendor", and it all falls in its right place and matches again.
:up: So simply done, and so soon there we live in a correct world again. Isn't it a wonderful feeling to know so profoundly the tiny little details that really count.
Is there any surprise white nutjobs go on crusades when there are bullcrap vendors and fear mongorers like Sky on every corner now :nope:
How much do you know about Sweden and its asylum policies, as well as Swedes' right to speak out on these issues ?
Markus
Rockstar
10-25-15, 01:14 PM
Love it, one lives on a farm, one on an island whose government is regulating immigration down to a trickle of a whopping 4,000 a year for the next five years. (IF they follow through with that promise).
Tells the other who sees his neighborhood going to hell in a hand basket to suck it up. Whats more having the audacity to insinate that by voicing concerns they are responsible for the action of a sword welding wack job. Always having an answer what someone else should be doing yet themselves do nothing but talk and pat each other on the back, talk about disconnect.
Betonov
10-25-15, 01:50 PM
Ah, the scraping of the bottom of the barrel. You live on a farm therefore you have no clue argument. Reminds me of elementary school. What's next, someone from your family coming over to beat someone from my family ??
I can prove I live in a rural environment, Oberon can prove he lives on an island.
Can Sky prove he lives in a neighbourhood going to hell ?? By the way he shows arogance and contempt for those that think different than him proves he lives in a Bavarian castle.
Love it, one lives on a farm, one on an island whose government is regulating immigration down to a trickle of a whopping 4,000 a year for the next five years. (IF they follow through with that promise).
Tells the other who sees his neighborhood going to hell in a hand basket to suck it up. Whats more having the audacity to insinate that by voicing concerns they are responsible for the action of a sword welding wack job. Always having an answer what someone else should be doing yet themselves do nothing but talk and pat each other on the back, talk about disconnect.
I apologise for not running the United Kingdom, if you like I can write to David Cameron and ask him if I could take over from him so I can dictate the United Kingdoms immigration protocols. Would that be better?
Sailor Steve
10-25-15, 02:06 PM
Nothing wrong with debating and disagreeing with others opinions and viewpoints, even to the point of arguing to a certain degree.
Resorting to name calling and insults can be problematic though.
We're getting close. :sunny:
How much do you know about Sweden and its asylum policies, as well as Swedes' right to speak out on these issues ?
Markus
The tricky part is separating 'speaking out' from 'encouraging hatred and violence'. Otherwise, by that logic you can state that a radical Imam calling for the death of the west is just speaking out against the wests attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan.
Sure, there are problems, deep deep problems which European governments are only making deeper through their inability to co-ordinate a response to this. But claiming that such things are going to bring doom and destruction upon us all, and that the immigrants are a direct threat to the west is not particularly helpful because it just increases the paranoia and fear that has been building across the world since 9/11. Which in turn then drives more Muslims into the hands of Al'Qaeda and Daesh who will do their best to make their organisations seem welcoming to those who have been pushed away by the aggressive and hateful West.
An 'Us vs them' attitude is the attitude that radical Islamists have adapted from the start, it's the message that they've put out to their followers, that it's them, the brave followers of Islam against the evil west who seeks to destroy Islam, etc. It's a classic Goering technique, and anyone who doesn't get on board is dismissed as unpatriotic or not a true believer, or an agent of the enemy.
Should we stoop to that level? Should we take the same attitude towards them as they take to us? :hmmm:
We're getting close. :sunny:
Sweet, where's the finish line?
Does the winner get a gold medal? :hmmm:
Betonov
10-25-15, 02:30 PM
Just merge the thread with the islamic terror thread.
It appears that a white guy going berserc is islamic terror. We can do the same if the ISS looses orbit, California experiances drought and a car crashes outside my village.
The tricky part is separating 'speaking out' from 'encouraging hatred and violence'. Otherwise, by that logic you can state that a radical Imam calling for the death of the west is just speaking out against the wests attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan.
Sure, there are problems, deep deep problems which European governments are only making deeper through their inability to co-ordinate a response to this. But claiming that such things are going to bring doom and destruction upon us all, and that the immigrants are a direct threat to the west is not particularly helpful because it just increases the paranoia and fear that has been building across the world since 9/11. Which in turn then drives more Muslims into the hands of Al'Qaeda and Daesh who will do their best to make their organisations seem welcoming to those who have been pushed away by the aggressive and hateful West.
An 'Us vs them' attitude is the attitude that radical Islamists have adapted from the start, it's the message that they've put out to their followers, that it's them, the brave followers of Islam against the evil west who seeks to destroy Islam, etc. It's a classic Goering technique, and anyone who doesn't get on board is dismissed as unpatriotic or not a true believer, or an agent of the enemy.
Should we stoop to that level? Should we take the same attitude towards them as they take to us? :hmmm:
You're right.
A Swedish person has as you and me the right to free speech, BUT it can be dangerous to speak out freely about the official asylum policies and it doesn't to be in a negative way it doesn't matter-if you do you are official an racist.
You can lose your job and people have, you get harassment from the people who think they have the right opinion.
There are those who freely have spoken their support for the Swedish Party SD Swedish Democrats-those people have lost their jobs, got their home vandalized and they and their family get harassments
The News in Sweden-they are something for them self.
Let me give you some examples
Some years ago, can't remember year, month or day. One of the issues on this evening news was about the harassments the Jews was subjected to because of their beliefs. They showed pictures from Malmoe(Malmö) where they interviewed some Jews and then they showed picture of some skinheads and something that could be neonates. about 99 % who harassing the Jews are Muslims-The same issue was also shown in the Danish news a few days later and there are not such thing as censorship in Denmark.
When a Swedish citizen or some other person from Scandinavia or Northern part of Europe commit a crime-it is highly possible their face will be shown in the news paper(If the news paper make and article about it)-When it is a person from e.g Middle east the reader will only see a black silhouette
Some years ago a Swedish women was mass-raped on a ferry. The day after we could, in the news read following "Swedish woman raped by x Swedish male person and then x(can't while writing this remember how many they were) black silhouettes
My expertise on this ? I have lived in Sweden for about 33 years I have friend who have lost their jobs for having speak out freely. I know there are censorship in the Swedish news when it comes to refugees, immigrant a.s.o
There are so to say no asylum policies that is until the day before yesterday, now the government and the other parties have made some kind of austerity in this area.
The last two weeks there have been at least 6 arsons arson all over Sweden. Someone or some have set fire to buildings which functioned to house refugees .
So it is NOT person like Skybird who's to be blame, it is the Swedish Politicians and other official person in Sweden that is to be blamed
Markus
Just merge the thread with the islamic terror thread.
It appears that a white guy going berserc is islamic terror. We can do the same if the ISS looses orbit, California experiances drought and a car crashes outside my village.
If it turn into a "this is the Muslims fault" then yes let merge it.
I made this thread to show condolence for these innocent victims and to show the lack of asylum policies in Swedish politics. They have made some agreements to strengthen it.
Markus
Betonov
10-25-15, 03:13 PM
If it turn into a "this is the Muslims fault" then yes let merge it.
I made this thread to show condolence for these innocent victims and to show the lack of asylum policies in Swedish politics. They have made some agreements to strengthen it.
Markus
I know you did.
But always count on someone with a pointless agenda to ruin it.
You're right.
A Swedish person has as you and me the right to free speech, BUT it can be dangerous to speak out freely about the official asylum policies and it doesn't to be in a negative way it doesn't matter-if you do you are official an racist.
You can lose your job and people have, you get harassment from the people who think they have the right opinion.
There are those who freely have spoken their support for the Swedish Party SD Swedish Democrats-those people have lost their jobs, got their home vandalized and they and their family get harassments
The News in Sweden-they are something for them self.
Let me give you some examples
Some years ago, can't remember year, month or day. One of the issues on this evening news was about the harassments the Jews was subjected to because of their beliefs. They showed pictures from Malmoe(Malmö) where they interviewed some Jews and then they showed picture of some skinheads and something that could be neonates. about 99 % who harassing the Jews are Muslims-The same issue was also shown in the Danish news a few days later and there are not such thing as censorship in Denmark.
When a Swedish citizen or some other person from Scandinavia or Northern part of Europe commit a crime-it is highly possible their face will be shown in the news paper(If the news paper make and article about it)-When it is a person from e.g Middle east the reader will only see a black silhouette
Some years ago a Swedish women was mass-raped on a ferry. The day after we could, in the news read following "Swedish woman raped by x Swedish male person and then x(can't while writing this remember how many they were) black silhouettes
My expertise on this ? I have lived in Sweden for about 33 years I have friend who have lost their jobs for having speak out freely. I know there are censorship in the Swedish news when it comes to refugees, immigrant a.s.o
There are so to say no asylum policies that is until the day before yesterday, now the government and the other parties have made some kind of austerity in this area.
The last two weeks there have been at least 6 arsons arson all over Sweden. Someone or some have set fire to buildings which functioned to house refugees .
So it is NOT person like Skybird who's to be blame, it is the Swedish Politicians and other official person in Sweden that is to be blamed
Markus
That's a fair point, and to be honest I am of the opinion that the EU has handled the whole crisis with the skill of a dead woodlouse.
If I was in charge of the EU I would have asked for assistance from the UN, make a clear path through the Eastern European countries and provide trains and army trucks to bring them in. Then ship them out into different camps in different countries and organise a central bureau to process asylum applications. The EU needs to step up and show some balls, if Hungary wants to take EU membership and money but not help with the refugee crisis then it should sod off, likewise Britain. Spread the migrants and refugees out across Europe as equally as possible in temporary camps and then work through them with as much manpower as you can muster.
Germany should not have to take this all by itself, it really shouldn't! All EU nations should pitch in and work this out.
But hey, we're probably living in the last years of the EU anyway, so we can get back to European infighting while China, Russia and America rule the world.
I made this thread to show condolence for these innocent victims and to show the lack of asylum policies in Swedish politics. They have made some agreements to strengthen it.
Markus
And I tried to prevent this thread from being derailed into either a Muslim bashing one or a gun control gloating one, and was promptly mocked for it. :/\\!!
An 'Us vs them' attitude is the attitude that radical Islamists have adapted from the start, it's the message that they've put out to their followers, that it's them, the brave followers of Islam against the evil west who seeks to destroy Islam, etc. It's a classic Goering technique, and anyone who doesn't get on board is dismissed as unpatriotic or not a true believer, or an agent of the enemy.
Should we stoop to that level? Should we take the same attitude towards them as they take to us? :hmmm: So you are wiling to import ME problems into your home just to prove how really friendly you are...nice.
How about some joined military operation in Iraq and Syria with elections after the victory?
Nah....just kidding.
Can Sky prove he lives in a neighbourhood going to hell ?? You are onto something after all.
People have the right to be concerned about this....or uhm that is to be xenophobic or whatever you call it..
Really ...you are becoming sort of sick people there.
While right may be busy with spreading fear, left is busy in BSing itself to death while avoiding certain issues because it might drive stupid masses nuts.:haha:
So you are wiling to import ME problems into your home just to prove how really friendly you are...nice.
How about some joined military operation in Iraq and Syria with elections after the victory?
Nah....just kidding.
Hey, you guys are welcome to the party any time. :haha:
You are onto something after all.
People have the right to be concerned about this....or uhm that is to be xenophobic or whatever you call it..
Really ...you are becoming sort of sick people there.
While right may be busy with spreading fear, left is busy in BSing itself to death while avoiding certain issues because it might drive stupid masses nuts.:haha:
Sure, be concerned, be concerned all you want. Yes, you're right, there are some on the left who are in denial that there's a problem.
Look at it this way, would you allow Muslim youths to go to a radical Imam and be radicalised and turned into suicide bombers?
No?
Then why should we allow anti-Muslim hate preachers either?
Betonov
10-25-15, 03:37 PM
I've lived and went to school in a town that was 2/3 muslim becase the steel mill there grew so fast in the seventies that they had to ''import'' Bosnians and I didn't witness the area go to hell. And then that steel mill shrank in the nineties and all those muslims still didn't turn the area into a wasteland.
But hey, I live on a farm. What do I know what happens 10km away from me.
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