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GoldenRivet
09-16-15, 11:09 AM
I recently watched a documentary entitled "above and beyond". Being a history buff on things aviation related and World War II related I was surprised that I did not know this.

Shortly after the events of World War II the state of Israel was created as we all know. Immediately following the creation of the state of Israel virtually every Middle Eastern nation in the region threatened to invade and destroy Israel, they made good on their threat of invasion.

Israel more or less stood alone. They had no Air Force to speak of their entire Air Force at the time of the invasion consisted of two liaison aircraft similar to piper cubs. Their leadership knew that without an Air Force they would be unable to successfully repel an invasion, and the state of Israel would inevitably fall.

Israel began looking for volunteers. They needed pilots with combat experience and needed them now. Not only that but these volunteers had to bring their own combat aircraft to the front lines. The US had a number of experience combat pilots but getting them to volunteer was a different story, it was illegal to volunteer your services to another nation in combat, and you could risk your citizenship and even imprisonment if you did. Beyond that, Jews werent winning any popularity contest in the late 1940s

Several Jewish pilots in the United States who served in combat during the second world war were moved to volunteer their services but none of them had airplanes of any kind, let alone frontline fighter aircraft

Using money raised primarily through the Jewish communities these volunteer pilots purchased 4 surplus military transport aircraft slated for recycling and destruction as they sat in the desert.

These transport military aircraft were then registered as an airline and flown out of the country, the ultimate destination was Czechoslovakia. Through various contacts they had been informed that Czechoslovakia was a war-torn nation in desperate need of American money, and to get their hands on that money they would sell combat ready fighter aircraft to anyone willing to pay for them.

The pilots all had experience flying mustangs and thunderbolts and lightening's through the war years and were informed that Czechoslovakia had just such aircraft available for sale.

Upon their arrival in Czechoslovakia they discovered that there were no mustangs there were no lightnings there were no thunderbolts. Instead, one of the only remaining fighter production factories in the country was still producing fighter aircraft to be sold along with surplus military equipment.

That airplane was the frontline Nazi fighter aircraft the famous Messerschmitt Me-109, The surplus flight suits and the surplus equipment gloriously emblazoned with the swastika. The pilots spent their time removing the swastika from the equipment and replacing it with the star of David, The symbol of Israel. Time was short so they had very little time to practice on the aircraft.

The aircraft were split into sections, fuselage, wings and engines and then loaded one each into four of the transport Aircraft where they made the voyage to Israel. Upon landing ground crews unload of the aircraft into hangers and hastily assembled them according to the Czechoslovakian schematics, loaded them with fuel, bombs, and ammunition.

The pilots wanted a chance to do a functional check flight to ensure that the aircraft of been put together correctly however they were informed that their first mission was due to take off immediately and without delay. A town 6 or 7 miles away was under heavy attack and needed air support badly.

Thus the Israeli Air Force was born. Four premier NAZI designed fighter aircraft and four volunteer Jewish fighter pilots, armed with surplus Nazi equipment and surplus Nazi uniforms.

The strike was swift, lethal and decisive. Eventually more aircraft were procured as were more volunteer pilots, the tide of war turned in the favor Israel and at the end of the day Israel still stood. The invasion of been repulsed.

All of that struck me as interesting, but one thing that struck me as particularly interesting was this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Rubenfeld#Rubenfeld_Mission.2C_5-30-48

Martin Rubenfeld, veteran US Army Air Force pilot, and one of the very first Jewish volunteer pilots in the Israeli Air Force, all-around American and Israeli Hero........ Also holds The distinction of being the father of Paul Rubenfeld a.k.a Paul Rubens a.k.a. Pee-wee Herman.

And now you know the rest of the story :haha:

Aktungbby
09-16-15, 12:06 PM
That airplane was the frontline Nazi fighter aircraft the famous Messerschmitt Me-109, The surplus flight suits and the surplus equipment gloriously emblazoned with the swastika. The pilots spent their time removing the swastika from the equipment and replacing it with the star of David, The symbol of Israel. Time was short so they had very little time to practice on the aircraft.


Thus the Israeli Air Force was born. Four premier NAZI designed fighter aircraft and four volunteer Jewish fighter pilots, armed with surplus Nazi equipment and surplus Nazi uniforms.

The strike was swift, lethal and decisive. Eventually more aircraft were procured as were more volunteer pilots, the tide of war turned in the favor Israel and at the end of the day Israel still stood. The invasion of been repulsed.

All of that struck me as interesting, but one thing that struck me as particularly interesting was this

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milton_Rubenfeld#Rubenfeld_Mission.2C_5-30-48

Martin Rubenfeld, veteran US Army Air Force pilot, and one of the very first Jewish volunteer pilots in the Israeli Air Force, all-around American and Israeli Hero........ Also holds The distinction of being the father of Paul Rubenfeld a.k.a Paul Rubens a.k.a. Pee-wee Herman.

And now you know the rest of the story :haha: [QUOTE]Rubenfeld knew no Hebrew, and knew very little Yiddish, so in order to convince them he was Jewish, he reportedly shouted the only thing he could remember: "Shabbos, gefilte fish! Shabbos, gefilte fish!" I would have shown em I was circumcised! Son Paul would appreciate the joke! As for the swastika: Found in old archeological temple digs in Israel https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/1/15/ShaveyZion1.jpg/200px-ShaveyZion1.jpg (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ShaveyZion1.jpg) That symbol needs to be de-Nazified and restored to it's former worldwide good luck status: oddly from my post yesterday: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2344876#post2344876 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2344876#post2344876)

Oberon
09-16-15, 12:09 PM
Aye, and Egypt was flying Spitfires! :dead:

To be fair, the actual history of the formation of Israel goes back a bit further than post-WWII, migration of Jews to Israel had been taking place since the late 1800s. In a way, oddly enough, one could make comparisons with the current mass migration in Europe, especially with the rise of Nazi Germany, leading thousands of Jews to flee Germany and disperse throughout Europe and also to Israel.
The whole post-war events leading up to the Arab-Israeli war were...messy to say the least, both sides shed their fair share of blood, and we found ourselves in the middle trying to work it out but in the end failing miserably.
My Grandfather found himself there, I have no idea what he did as a part of 45 Commando, but I have a couple of photos that he took whilst there.

Aktungbby
09-16-15, 12:18 PM
You can bet the lady Israeli fighter pilots-if any??! and Russian 'Night Witches' weren't wearing Matilda Moisant's (1878-1964) avatrix good luck charm c.1912:O: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e9/Matilde_Moisant_%28detail%29.jpg

Catfish
09-16-15, 01:00 PM
And the first french jet fighters sold to Israel, were fitted with improved copies of the BMW 03 Jet engine, developed in WW2 ..

" ... After the Allied occupation of Germany, Marcel Dassault assisted Hermann Östrich in moving from the American Zone of occupied Germany into the French Zone. Within a couple of years, he was working for Voisin, a division of SNECMA, France's state-owned aircraft engine company. Using the basic design of the 003, he produced the larger Atar jet engine that powered Dassault's Ouragan, Dassault Mirage III and Mystère fighters.[15] ..."

Some kind of "poetic" justice :hmmm:

Kptlt. Neuerburg
09-16-15, 01:10 PM
Here's the Wikipedia page on the first fighter plane that was used by the IAF. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avia_S-199

Betonov
09-16-15, 01:13 PM
It's not the airplanes fault it was flown by the bad guys.
Scrub off the swastika and put on a star of david and that's the end of the matter.

Schroeder
09-16-15, 01:29 PM
That airplane was the frontline Nazi fighter aircraft the famous Messerschmitt Me-109
That's not entirely true. They were Avia 199. The Avia 199 had a Junkers Jumo 211 engine which was designed for bombers (the only aviation engine available in Czechoslovaki) while the real Me 109 had Daimler Benz engines. The Jumo 211 was actually too big and heavy for the 109 fuselage and made the Avia pretty unpleasant to fly. :dead:

GoldenRivet
09-16-15, 02:17 PM
That's not entirely true. They were Avia 199. The Avia 199 had a Junkers Jumo 211 engine which was designed for bombers (the only aviation engine available in Czechoslovaki) while the real Me 109 had Daimler Benz engines. The Jumo 211 was actually too big and heavy for the 109 fuselage and made the Avia pretty unpleasant to fly. :dead:

You're correct... I figured someone would pick up on the difference but that the majority of readers would know the 109 over the 199.

The documentary i watched, the pilots called it a Messerschmitt 109... Either for the same reasoning i had in using the term, or because coming fresh out of WW2 it was what they knew the aircraft as.

They did mention that the handling characteristics of the aircraft were poor because of the engine change.

Essentially however, the 199 is an ME-109 in all respects other than powerplant, which is much like renaming a Cessna 150 to a Cessna 550 because you put a bigger engine in it. But I digress.


EDIT: it is reported that the engine never really meshed well with the MG timing gear, and there was an increased risk of shooting off your own prop when firing the cowl mounted machine guns... It is assumed this is what caused the loss of one of the first downed Israeli Air Force planes

Stealhead
09-16-15, 05:19 PM
The Israeli Haganah made fairly extensive use of surplus German small arms as well. I recon being fairly common in post war Europe helped and at the fact that they had to smuggle their weapons in.

They actually had more Spitfires than S-199s though.

NeonSamurai
09-16-15, 09:17 PM
It is technically called the Bf-109 or the Messerschmitt Bf-109 as it was manufactured by Bayerische Flugzeugwerke. Willie Messerschmitt was the key designer for it while he was working with Bf.

I'm hesitant to even call the S-199 a Bf-109 because the engine change screwed it up so much.