I did it.

[Red October1984]

I finally broke down and bought an Xbox One today....with all of the new stuff coming out that I want, I figure it'd have to happen sooner or later.

I bought Metro Redux along with it for 20$ so I'll have something to play. It came with the Halo Master Chief collection, but it's an 80GB download so probably won't DL it anytime soon.

Forza 6, Project CARS, Fallout 4 and SW: Battlefront are on the list.

[Nippelspanner]

I just don't get it.

People pay fortunes for these overpriced crapboxes to have access to restricted games that are also overpriced compared to their PC counter parts. PC games look better, run better (if not console port), grant more possibilities, like modding and the usage of a broad variety of 3rd party tools or tech, be it Track IR, Oculus Rift, etc.

Fallout 4. Boy are you going to regret this.
Not because of the game, because of what I mentioned. Mods.
The cries of those who bought Skyrim on a console except on PC still echo in my head when they complained about the lack of mods - which is what made Skyrim so big.

Then, who plays shooters/any FPS willingly with a gamepad?
That is the most inconvenient, frustrating and awkward feeling.
It takes so much longer to precisely aim at someone/something than with a mouse and is also more, how can I say...crampy? Unnatural maybe?

Why waste money on consoles and their restricted expensive games when you can have it all for the same price or even cheaper... and better?

Why go live in a ruin when you can have a suite for less?
It is a mystery to me, really.

[Gargamel]

I don't think he's ditching his PC nips.....

There is a certain allure of a console. The plug an play nature of it, the gaming "environment" with friends around the the TV, the streaming video services offered, etc. Each has it's place.

Yes, all those can be done with the PC, but a console is all setup to do it. The cost of a console is about equal to an equivalent media center setup to function the same, maybe less sometimes.

[CCIP]

Well he's not ditching the PC but he always complains about how he can't play any current PC games because he can't afford a half-decent PC.

Any guesses as to why someone who blows their money on crapboxes with ridiculous pricing schemes for games can't afford a half decent PC? :doh:

Sorry but it's still a ripoff, especially for someone who's trying to do things on a budget!

[Raptor1]

Fallout 4 will supposedly feature mods on consoles in some fashion, though likely in a more limited manner than the PC version does, so at least there's that.

A decent computer is obviously a better investment if one doesn't already have one. Nowadays they don't cost any (or much) more than a newer console. Unless you really want to play certain console exclusives, which are thankfully not as plentiful now as they were, I suppose.

[Red October1984]

Why go live in a ruin when you can have a suite for less?
It is a mystery to me, really.

I don't think he's ditching his PC nips.....

There is a certain allure of a console. The plug an play nature of it, the gaming "environment" with friends around the the TV, the streaming video services offered, etc. Each has it's place.

Yes, all those can be done with the PC, but a console is all setup to do it. The cost of a console is about equal to an equivalent media center setup to function the same, maybe less sometimes.

I'm not ditching my PC...but I've always done more console gaming than PC gaming.

I, quite frankly, enjoy console games. I enjoy huddling around my tv playing console games with friends and I enjoy having the media center setup.

Yes, a good PC is probably a better decision as far as gaming goes...but I don't have the time or money to do the kind of PC gaming I want to do. I may not have two hours to devote to a sim race whereas I only need 20 minutes for a race on Forza Motorsport.

My friends and I have been enjoying these "crapboxes" since we were little and I don't see that changing.

I also like that my new Xbox doubles as a Blu-Ray player among many other things that it does.

I see your disagreement. It does not change my mind. :salute: :sunny:

[Catfish]

Hello,
sometimes it can be fun giving in :)
I have none of those myself, but friends with PS/2 and XBox, i admit it's always nice playing with them.

So congrats and have fun :salute:

[HunterICX]

Well he's not ditching the PC but he always complains about how he can't play any current PC games because he can't afford a half-decent PC.

Any guesses as to why someone who blows their money on crapboxes with ridiculous pricing schemes for games can't afford a half decent PC? :doh:

Sorry but it's still a ripoff, especially for someone who's trying to do things on a budget!

Sadly, these days most AAA Game titles which are also are available on PC have been priced the same as their Console counterpart. So no real advantage there when buying games on date of release.

An Xbox One goes for what, 350USD these days? a Decent quality gaming rig with a good performance that'll you'd able to squeeze out a few years will go for a budget of 1200-1400USD.

So I don't see it as a rippoff if it serves its purpose for him, he wants something that's cheaper then a quality gaming rig and he can enjoy playing something for the time he can spare.

[Red October1984]

An Xbox One goes for what, 350USD these days? a Decent quality gaming rig with a good performance that'll you'd able to squeeze out a few years will go for a budget of 1200-1400USD.

So I don't see it as a rippoff if it serves its purpose for him, he wants something that's cheaper then a quality gaming rig and he can enjoy playing something for the time he can spare.

The xbox has been a part of my family's entertainment center ever since the Gen1 Xbox came out. I still have it and it still works. 360 has provided 8-9 years of memories with family and friends now.

And yeah, no games are cheap any more....and there's a lot of the good PC games that are trickling to consoles now.

I see that The Long Dark will be an Xbox One title in the future (even though I own it, I cannot run it)

[NeonSamurai]

I just don't get it.

People pay fortunes for these overpriced crapboxes to have access to restricted games that are also overpriced compared to their PC counter parts. PC games look better, run better (if not console port), grant more possibilities, like modding and the usage of a broad variety of 3rd party tools or tech, be it Track IR, Oculus Rift, etc.

Fallout 4. Boy are you going to regret this.
Not because of the game, because of what I mentioned. Mods.
The cries of those who bought Skyrim on a console except on PC still echo in my head when they complained about the lack of mods - which is what made Skyrim so big.

Then, who plays shooters/any FPS willingly with a gamepad?
That is the most inconvenient, frustrating and awkward feeling.
It takes so much longer to precisely aim at someone/something than with a mouse and is also more, how can I say...crampy? Unnatural maybe?

Why waste money on consoles and their restricted expensive games when you can have it all for the same price or even cheaper... and better?

Why go live in a ruin when you can have a suite for less?
It is a mystery to me, really.

Umm.. no. First off no you absolutely cannot build a gaming rig that equals a console for the same price let alone cheaper. Consoles are heavily optimized pieces of hardware designed to eek out every last bit of performance they can. They can achieve such high levels of optimization because the platform's hardware is identical across all users. Also generally speaking most consoles have been marketed at a loss as the console maker expects to make it back from their cut on video game sales (unlike PC, console video game makers have to buy licenses to develop for a console, and pay a certain percentage of sales to the console maker).

To build a halfway decent gaming rig from the ground up is going to cost at least 1000USD, and a good one 1500USD, and that is not even counting monitor, speakers, headphones, gaming keyboard, gaming mouse, joysticks, racing wheels, and whatever. While sure you can buy PCs that cost 300USD, they don't come anywhere near the performance level of a current gen console, and are generally useless for gaming.

Well he's not ditching the PC but he always complains about how he can't play any current PC games because he can't afford a half-decent PC.

Any guesses as to why someone who blows their money on crapboxes with ridiculous pricing schemes for games can't afford a half decent PC? :doh:

Sorry but it's still a ripoff, especially for someone who's trying to do things on a budget!

No, it is still cheaper. Xbox One costs 350USD, decent gaming rig at least 1000USD. He could get the Xbox One and about 9 AAA games for the cost of a decent gaming rig.

Fallout 4 will supposedly feature mods on consoles in some fashion, though likely in a more limited manner than the PC version does, so at least there's that.

A decent computer is obviously a better investment if one doesn't already have one. Nowadays they don't cost any (or much) more than a newer console. Unless you really want to play certain console exclusives, which are thankfully not as plentiful now as they were, I suppose.

See my above comments. Also no a computer is not a better investment for gaming. Console development cycles happen every 6-10 years, a gaming pc will need to be updated at least every 4 years. Just updating a gaming pc will typically cost more than a new console (as long as you don't buy a new console in its first year of release), just a new graphics card can set you back at least 250USD if you don't buy bleeding edge, and a new cpu also costs about that. Of course at some point you will be forced to replace the motherboard too, which means replacing most everything, which will again cost almost the same as a new system.

PC gaming costs way more than console gaming.

The xbox has been a part of my family's entertainment center ever since the Gen1 Xbox came out. I still have it and it still works. 360 has provided 8-9 years of memories with family and friends now.

And yeah, no games are cheap any more....and there's a lot of the good PC games that are trickling to consoles now.

I see that The Long Dark will be an Xbox One title in the future (even though I own it, I cannot run it)

You made a mistake though, you should have bought a PS4 :D Seriously though, I think Sony will end up on top for this generation.


Anyhow I really wish people would stop with the whole console vs pc rivalry. Gamers are gamers regardless of what they game on. Honestly I think it comes out of mutual envy, we're envious of the exclusive titles consoles get (and how we often get crappy substandard ports of console games), and console gamers are envious of how great games end up looking on a high end PC (plus all the PC only games, the massive indie game market, etc).

This also doesn't mean that I like the console companies, as they do rip people off with things like making you pay subscriptions to play online, and that g*d d**n exclusive titles BS (seriously, screw you Microsoft and Sony) that try to push people to buy both consoles. On the other hand I think console gaming is in trouble as AAA gaming (the life blood of consoles) is looking like it is going to come apart at the seams due to ever skyrocketing production costs and the ridiculous sales expectations (and a whole host of other problems).

[Nippelspanner]

@RedOctober
Sorry man, I didn't want to rain on your parade, the topic just... hits a nerve.
If you enjoy it, that is what matters, no question!
So from your standpoint and situation, you certainly made a good decision - although I'd pick a PS4 as well. :O:

I should not have said anything negative, sorry.

@NeonSamurai
Umm.. no. First off no you absolutely cannot build a gaming rig that equals a console for the same price let alone cheaper.Yeah that might be right. Then again, a PC that handles gaming, can handle everything. Office work, video editing, phtosohop, ...
So, for really just gaming, a console might be cheaper when you first buy it but...

http://i.imgur.com/pyrEW0Q.jpg
(and no, I could not find a bigger image...)

If this is remotely accurate, I might have had a point.

[NeonSamurai]

There is a lot of issues with that graph. First off you cannot build an entire system that is any good at gaming at less than 1000$ without sacrificing a lot on performance, I mean a higher end GPU will set you back 350$ alone (which is what an XBOX one currently costs). Plus if you do get the cheapest bare bones system possible, it will be obsolete in less then 2 years.

This leads to the biggest problem by far. No PC gamer can get away with not upgrading at least once in between those 8 years (not unless your computer was some sort of high end monster machine at the start, which would have cost at least 4 times what I'm talking about), most pc gamers replace their entire system (or at least certain key internals like the GPU) every 4 years. So a more realistic estimation of the costs is about 2000$ every 8 years, and that is just for a basic gaming system that won't be mostly obsolete in 6 months, not a higher end one which would be at least 4000$ every 8 years.

Second, brand new pc games cost just about as much as new console releases if we are talking AAA games. Mad Max for example is retailing for 60$ on pc, which is the exact same price as on console. While it is true you can get really great deals from steam sales or waiting 6 months before buying a game, you can also get somewhat similar price cuts from console retailers or buying second hand copies.

The last point is that the cost of the consoles is the price the consoles went for on release and is not current. Console prices have since been cut in half about a year later, so if you wait a year before buying (a good idea in general when it comes to consoles) you save quite a bit.

So more realistic costs for the PC, while keeping the 40$ per game for pc.

2000$ Hardware minimum, 1600$ games = total of 3400$ over 8 years

Or if you buy 60$ AAA games on release

2000$ Hardware minimum, 2400$ games = total of 4400$ over 8 years

And that is just for a fairly bare bones system that excludes all the other stuff pc games also often buy (like a large monitor or gaming peripherals).

Also the computer they built, it has a lot of pitfalls for the price they quoted. First off cheap ass computers like it are often only good for a couple of years before something breaks/burns out, and otherwise becomes badly obsolete within a few years anyways. So it is utterly absurd that it would last for an entire 8 years and still be good as a gaming system without any upgrades or buying a new system. furthermore their build doesn't even work, as the cards they chose don't all fit in together. The GPU they chose is double sized, and while it would fit in the case on its own, the wifi card would not fit in with the GPU as the case & board only have 2 useable slots and both would be taken up by the GPU, so no wifi unless they payed a heck of a lot more for a board with built-in wifi, or changed to a larger form-factor (also more expensive). This computer would also be a nightmare to upgrade because it's microatx, and would have absolutely no room for any kind of expansion like extra hard drives and the like.

While you are right that gaming rigs can also act as home desktops, it still doesn't make them more economical, as you can buy utterly bare bones PCs for 200-400USD that can do word processing, spreadsheets, email, etc. The consoles too have extra functionality as you can use them as bluray/dvd players, replacing the need to own a separate bluray/dvd device.

[Raptor1]

Umm.. no. First off no you absolutely cannot build a gaming rig that equals a console for the same price let alone cheaper. Consoles are heavily optimized pieces of hardware designed to eek out every last bit of performance they can. They can achieve such high levels of optimization because the platform's hardware is identical across all users. Also generally speaking most consoles have been marketed at a loss as the console maker expects to make it back from their cut on video game sales (unlike PC, console video game makers have to buy licenses to develop for a console, and pay a certain percentage of sales to the console maker).

To build a halfway decent gaming rig from the ground up is going to cost at least 1000USD, and a good one 1500USD, and that is not even counting monitor, speakers, headphones, gaming keyboard, gaming mouse, joysticks, racing wheels, and whatever. While sure you can buy PCs that cost 300USD, they don't come anywhere near the performance level of a current gen console, and are generally useless for gaming.

I think you're exaggerating the cost and performance comparisons. Consoles are capable of better optimization than PCs do because their hardware is all the same, yes, but that also means that their hardware is out of date for most of their life cycle. Consoles generally only get by running on reduced resolutions and frame-rates to compensate for this.

Prices on anything seem to vary a lot, unfortunately, so I can't be completely certain, but I seriously doubt that you can't get a perfectly functional, if not top-of-the-line, gaming PC that will match console performance for $500 or $600 at most. As for "monitor, speakers, headphones, gaming keyboard, gaming mouse, joysticks, racing wheels, and whatever", either these are things you need for a console as well (monitor/TV to start with) or are hardly necessary for playing games anyway.

No, it is still cheaper. Xbox One costs 350USD, decent gaming rig at least 1000USD. He could get the Xbox One and about 9 AAA games for the cost of a decent gaming rig.

I was under the impression that a new Xbone was closer to $400 (and was $500 at release). I could be wrong, of course.

See my above comments. Also no a computer is not a better investment for gaming. Console development cycles happen every 6-10 years, a gaming pc will need to be updated at least every 4 years. Just updating a gaming pc will typically cost more than a new console (as long as you don't buy a new console in its first year of release), just a new graphics card can set you back at least 250USD if you don't buy bleeding edge, and a new cpu also costs about that. Of course at some point you will be forced to replace the motherboard too, which means replacing most everything, which will again cost almost the same as a new system.

PC gaming costs way more than console gaming.

PCs don't need to be upgraded compared to consoles nearly as much as people make it out to be. While PC components get better practically every year, pretty much all so-called AAA games are mainly console releases and therefore often lagging behind in terms of graphics simply so that the consoles could run them. Sure, you'd need to upgrade if you want to run games at 4K resolutions and 144 FPS, but the consoles can't run them like that either.

Anyhow I really wish people would stop with the whole console vs pc rivalry. Gamers are gamers regardless of what they game on. Honestly I think it comes out of mutual envy, we're envious of the exclusive titles consoles get (and how we often get crappy substandard ports of console games), and console gamers are envious of how great games end up looking on a high end PC (plus all the PC only games, the massive indie game market, etc).

This also doesn't mean that I like the console companies, as they do rip people off with things like making you pay subscriptions to play online, and that g*d d**n exclusive titles BS (seriously, screw you Microsoft and Sony) that try to push people to buy both consoles. On the other hand I think console gaming is in trouble as AAA gaming (the life blood of consoles) is looking like it is going to come apart at the seams due to ever skyrocketing production costs and the ridiculous sales expectations (and a whole host of other problems).

I don't particularly like how the need to keep games tied to consoles' outdated hardware often holds up graphical development and I wish console exclusives would disappear from the universe (thankfully, a lot more games are getting PC ports now, even if sometimes less than optimal), but I really have nothing against console players. If Red October values the specific virtues of a console over those of a PC then it only makes sense for him to get a console.

[Nippelspanner]

^
What he said.

Also, consoles aren't the only platform with exclusives.
Flown any DCS A-10 lately on the Xbox, someone? No?

The only other game I always wanted was GTA V and in the end it showed that console players beta-tested the game for PC players. :O:

As to the "rivalry".
Gamers aren't gamers.
That's the same like claiming humans are humans. They aren't, you always have those and those.

My problem aren't the consoles themselves - it is their negative influence on the gaming market in general, affecting PC games in a way they should not.
It starts with bad ports (crap performance, bad controls, ...) and ends with "'PRESS "X" TO RELOAD!"-style dumbing down of video games, originating in the super casual console corner.

Now, everyone shall play what he wants. But that's the problem.
As a PC only player, I have to endure the restrictions and problems because of consoles - and that pisses me off.

Loved my SNES back then, SO regret selling it... but after that, it went purely down hill in my opinion and all the AAA developers clearly show that.
Take Ubisoft for example. Their CEO insulted PC gamers as pirates, literally not giving a damn about them and it shows in every single Ubi release of a game that came out primarily for console, there is no denying that.

Also, I agree that the magic [I]"no decent PC under 1000$" myth is complete bogus.

[CCIP]

Huh, where are you getting this $2000 figure for the PC as a minimum, and pray tell, who actually buys many games for $60 on PC these days (or, for that matter, who doesn't buy most of their games on Steam/GOG/GMG/Humble sales for an average of $3-5, if that)?

That's the consoles' real flaw - they've adapted poorly to digital distribution and market their games using pricing schemes that are completely ludicrous. They've also lost most of their exclusives and early releases, and there's extensive comparisons between actual features and performance of games on PC vs. consoles. As of late, unless the PC port is botched, consoles pale in comparison to PC versions. And then there's the issue of PC exclusives, especially if you're into simulation. They're not and never will be on an X-Box.

For just under $1000 a few months ago, I bought a new PC that's going to have no issues running any new games for years. Last time I bought a PC for about $1000, I counted on it lasting 3.5 years before I had to upgrade or replace it. It actually lasted nearly 6 with no upgrades whatsoever, and I didn't even need to replace it when I did. When its power supply burnt out 2 years ago (which would be out of any warranty period), I simply swapped it for the cost of $60 and 15 minutes of my time. Good luck doing that with a console.

I think having a console as a living room thing is certainly good and has its merits. If you're a gaming collector or somebody without budget limitations, heck yeah, it's great to have everything. I'm more scratching my head because this isn't coming from someone who's got money to throw around. If you're on a budget and are always frustrated because you can't play a lot of simulation games, buying a console is kind of setting you back. Unfortunately, the way consoles are marketed feeds into the instant gratification without considering any long-term interests, and I think that's a bad thing for introducing people to games and giving them more variety and choice. If it's your only access to current games, it's a terribly limiting platform.

[NeonSamurai]

I think you're exaggerating the cost and performance comparisons. Consoles are capable of better optimization than PCs do because their hardware is all the same, yes, but that also means that their hardware is out of date for most of their life cycle. Consoles generally only get by running on reduced resolutions and frame-rates to compensate for this.

For similar specced hardware, pc vs console, consoles generally do perform better in part because of much tighter game and os optimization, along with standard factory overclocking. Also their hardware is not "out of date" because there is no upgrade available to update it. Of course a better pc will out perform a console but they will also cost 3-6 times more than a console.

As far as prices go I know what I am saying is accurate as I fairly regularly build gaming rigs for myself and friends. So I am pretty aware as to what cuts it and doesn't cut it, as well as how often people will upgrade if they can afford it. They want a computer that can run most games well at high levels of resolution, framerate, with as many of the bells and whistles as is possible.

Prices on anything seem to vary a lot, unfortunately, so I can't be completely certain, but I seriously doubt that you can't get a perfectly functional, if not top-of-the-line, gaming PC that will match console performance for $500 or $600 at most. As for "monitor, speakers, headphones, gaming keyboard, gaming mouse, joysticks, racing wheels, and whatever", either these are things you need for a console as well (monitor/TV to start with) or are hardly necessary for playing games anyway.No you cannot, see the point about optimization above. Console games are significantly more optimized than pc games as they don't have to optimize for the countless different hardware. A top of the line gaming rig will easily set you back a minimum of 2000USD and can go up much higher. Hell I could easily spend 10 grand on a gaming rig if I chose to, I mean just one single Titan X video card costs about a 1000USD, and the Titan Z goes for 1500USD (and you can have multiples of them in one computer using SLI), and that is not getting into liquid cooling, a high end custom case, 300$+ high end 'gaming' motherboard, top of the line sound card, high end monitor, the latest bleeding edge cpu, and so on.

I suggest you look at the relative costs between pc gaming accessories and console. I could easily spend thousands and thousands of dollars on racing wheels, HOTAS sticks, occulus rift, LCD touch MFD panels, 29"+ monitor or a multi monitor setup, trackIR, gaming keyboard, xbox controller, mice, 7.1 surround sound. Gaming rigs generally do not come with any of these things included (not without upping the price a lot), where as a console at least comes with one controller. Many of these things are needed if you are at all serious about gaming, either as a sim enthusiast or other type of gamer. You do at least need a good gaming mouse and keyboard, and a good sized monitor.

Can you build a gaming rig for 600$ that will be semi tolerable, yes. But it will be obsolete within 6 months to a year, and will not run games very well even when it is new (certainly no where near maxed out 1080p).

I was under the impression that a new Xbone was closer to $400 (and was $500 at release). I could be wrong, of course.http://www.amazon.com/Xbox-One-Gears-War-Ultimate-Bundle/dp/B0118GJKIW/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1441664190&sr=8-1&keywords=xbox+one

350$

PCs don't need to be upgraded compared to consoles nearly as much as people make it out to be. While PC components get better practically every year, pretty much all so-called AAA games are mainly console releases and therefore often lagging behind in terms of graphics simply so that the consoles could run them. Sure, you'd need to upgrade if you want to run games at 4K resolutions and 144 FPS, but the consoles can't run them like that either.Assuming your console doesn't die, it will be 'current' until the next generation comes out. This is not the case in PC land especially in bleeding edge land where your computer is only going to be top of the line for maybe 3-4 months. A 600$ gaming rig is buying into what is already considered obsolete and will only get worse. This is why you should never go bleeding edge or low end when buying a gaming rig, as the bleeding edge system's value will drop like a stone, and the low end gaming rig will be completely obsolete in 6 months.

The optimization point is also huge, as I think many PC game makers (especially console to PC ports) are lazy and don't optimize their games very well (or they push optimization onto the GPU driver developers). If you buy a bottom of the line gaming pc, in two years it is going to have difficulty running the latest games, and you will be forced to drop down the resolution the game runs at and turn off all the bells and whistles just to eek out 30 frames per second. Most gamers I know at minimum upgrade every 4 years either partially or completely, some upgrade every 2 years (particularly those that bought cheap systems). Its hard to go past 4 years as this is when parts can start to fail on you, this is also when GPU makers are likely to stop issuing new drivers for your video card (or sooner if the GPU was already on its way out when you bought it). When the GPU makers stop supporting a card it often means that new games will perform even worse with each successive release as you are no longer getting up to date optimizations for your card for the new games.

I don't particularly like how the need to keep games tied to consoles' outdated hardware often holds up graphical development and I wish console exclusives would disappear from the universe (thankfully, a lot more games are getting PC ports now, even if sometimes less than optimal), but I really have nothing against console players. If Red October values the specific virtues of a console over those of a PC then it only makes sense for him to get a console.I don't think console development does this, not unless we are talking about crappy unoptimized ports. PC gaming has and always will have the edge when it comes to graphics and horsepower, just it costs a lot more money to get it, which was my entire point.



^
What he said.

See above reply :)

Also, consoles aren't the only platform with exclusives.
Flown any DCS A-10 lately on the Xbox, someone? No?Well it doesn't really make sense to port over DCS to console since its a high fidelity sim and you kind of need the peripherals like a HOTAS flightstick, TrackIR, etc. Also I don't think there is a demand for it either to speak of on consoles.

Same cannot be said for many of these single console equivalents. Like gears of war, god of war, gran turismo, bloodborne, etc etc etc.

The only other game I always wanted was GTA V and in the end it showed that console players beta-tested the game for PC players. :O:Ya and it also got delayed forever because of the exclusive agreement. If the console game port is good, it will usually outperform the console version, but only with the sufficient amount of horsepower

As to the "rivalry".
Gamers aren't gamers.
That's the same like claiming humans are humans. They aren't, you always have those and those.I'm referring to the 'glorious pc master race' thing, and stuff like the counter petition against releasing bloodborne for pc.

My problem aren't the consoles themselves - it is their negative influence on the gaming market in general, affecting PC games in a way they should not.
It starts with bad ports (crap performance, bad controls, ...) and ends with "'PRESS "X" TO RELOAD!"-style dumbing down of video games, originating in the super casual console corner.

Now, everyone shall play what he wants. But that's the problem.
As a PC only player, I have to endure the restrictions and problems because of consoles - and that pisses me off.I think a bigger threat comes from all those god awful mobile games now coming to pc on steam. You want to talk crappy dumbed down games you can't get much lower than mobile games.

On the other hand you can't paint the console industry with such a broad brush, as there have been several publishers and games that had a great deal of depth and complexity that started out as console games. I also would not list most console gamers as being super casual. There have been plenty of console gamers who complain about this stuff too (like how every game now has quick time events).

I don't disagree with you on bad ports, but we have gotten similar from games that were never ports to begin with too.

Loved my SNES back then, SO regret selling it... but after that, it went purely down hill in my opinion and all the AAA developers clearly show that.
Take Ubisoft for example. Their CEO insulted PC gamers as pirates, literally not giving a damn about them and it shows in every single Ubi release of a game that came out primarily for console, there is no denying that.I really don't think much has changed, other than back then we rarely got any console ports to pc at all. In those days many many games were exclusive to a specific console.

That is all old hat and not likely to stop even if console gaming suddenly vanished. If anything I think we would be worse off as a lot of console gamers may not have the know how or be able to afford good PC games which means less overall sales and less money for development.

Also, I agree that the magic [I]"no decent PC under 1000$" myth is complete bogus.It is not a myth if it is a gaming pc. Again see all my arguments from this post and the last few. I've been building computers for 20 years now both professionally (retired) and as a hobby. To a certain extent the adage that you get what you pay for is true, and there is a certain ideal range for cost when building a gaming computer to get the most out of what you buy as far as performance and likely lifespan. So while you can just barely build a gaming computer for 600$ (and that is the lowest of the low, and does not include a monitor), you can expect it to be pretty crap performance new, and just go down hill from there as it becomes more and more obsolete, for all the reasons I've already mentioned. This is why I also would never recommend to a friend that they set their budget to under a 1000$ for a brand new gaming rig, as they will regret it later.



Huh, where are you getting this $2000 figure for the PC as a minimum, and pray tell, who actually buys many games for $60 on PC these days (or, for that matter, who doesn't buy most of their games on Steam/GOG/GMG/Humble sales for an average of $3-5, if that)?

Its far more accurate than 600USD spent on a gaming pc every eight years from the graphic. I picked what a lot of gamers do, get a lower mid end gaming pc (no monitor) and replace it every 4 years. A lower mid end computer costs about 1000USD to build, so 2x1000. That or they spend 2000$ and get a higher end system that they hope will last for 6-8 years.

As for games according to the sales records on steam and other places, a lot of gamers buy games on release day or from pre-order, in fact in most cases the bulk of a games sales occur in the first month. Most triple A games retail on release at about 60USD. Can you do what your talking about, absolutely, I do it too (in fact i generally only by heavily discounted games). But I know I am in the distinct minority. Of course you can sort of do the same in the console world too with bargain bin sales or second hand copies (ignoring the online pass debacle). Buying AAA games at 5 dollars each is a lot more rare as you usually need to wait for the game to drop to 20$ regular price (it takes often 2-4 years for a game to drop to just that price), and then wait for a 75% off sale, or wait for one of the rare times good AAA games end up on Humble. GoG and the others rarely get to sell many AAA games (and you see similar sales patterns anyhow).

That's the consoles' real flaw - they've adapted poorly to digital distribution and market their games using pricing schemes that are completely ludicrous. They've also lost most of their exclusives and early releases, and there's extensive comparisons between actual features and performance of games on PC vs. consoles. As of late, unless the PC port is botched, consoles pale in comparison to PC versions. And then there's the issue of PC exclusives, especially if you're into simulation. They're not and never will be on an X-Box.This is both true and not true. Currently most AAA games on release cost the same for all consoles and the pc. They still have a number of exclusives but yes the number is shrinking. And while yes PC versions of games always look and run better, you still need considerably more pricey hardware to do it, where as on a cheap gaming pc there wont be much of an improvement at all. I already addressed pc "exclusives" above, though I wanted to add that these are not true exclusives anyways, as there exists no agreement between PC and a gaming company to release their game only for PC. These games are not released on console because their isn't enough demand for them, or insufficient hardware/peripherals to play them.

For just under $1000 a few months ago, I bought a new PC that's going to have no issues running any new games for years. Last time I bought a PC for about $1000, I counted on it lasting 3.5 years before I had to upgrade or replace it. It actually lasted nearly 6 with no upgrades whatsoever, and I didn't even need to replace it when I did. When its power supply burnt out 2 years ago (which would be out of any warranty period), I simply swapped it for the cost of $60 and 15 minutes of my time. Good luck doing that with a console.A lot of gamers upgrade before their last computer dies, heck I've had some computers last 10 years or longer, but I also stopped gaming on them because they couldn't keep up any more after about 6 years (gaming on them was getting painful after 4, and these were not low end computers either). Of course a lot of luck is involved when it comes to computer failures, one computer I had the board failed on it after a year twice (i ended up switching to a different make after the second failure) and took out the CPU with it. My current computer, also about 6 months old I spent about 2000USD (no monitor) on, and I am aiming on 4 years before I look at upgrading the video card (which will cost about 400-600$) and possibly adding some other hardware. Mine will probably be able to run games well even 6 years from now, where as I would bet money your will not run them very well (not without heavy reductions in graphics) simply because I invested in more powerful newer hardware. At present mine can run most games nearly fully maxed out at 60fps in 1080p, and driver support for my card will probably run for another 6 years or so.

Also you absolutely can repair consoles, there are lots of companies that do it.

I think having a console as a living room thing is certainly good and has its merits. If you're a gaming collector or somebody without budget limitations, heck yeah, it's great to have everything. I'm more scratching my head because this isn't coming from someone who's got money to throw around. If you're on a budget and are always frustrated because you can't play a lot of simulation games, buying a console is kind of setting you back. Unfortunately, the way consoles are marketed feeds into the instant gratification without considering any long-term interests, and I think that's a bad thing for introducing people to games and giving them more variety and choice. If it's your only access to current games, it's a terribly limiting platform.Well lots of people seem to like consoles, but they don't play simulations or the like (or just sim-lite games). But ya personally I agree, I mean I won't buy consoles either, but I can totally get why others might want to.

[CCIP]

And as I said, I see why they would too. It's not a bad accessory and has its perks. I'd love to have all the consoles if I could, but I don't have the budget or that much interest to justify it. Someone might also say that the fact that I've spent about $1200 on software for my flight simulator alone (i.e. payware addons) is not the wisest investment, either, but at least I think I got exactly what I wanted and paid for. It just seems like Red runs into being unable to run games on PC far too often to not at least consider prioritizing it as a platform.

[Red October1984]

You made a mistake though, you should have bought a PS4 :D Seriously though, I think Sony will end up on top for this generation.

They might come out on top, and I'm fine with that. Whatever.

Many reasons why I didn't go PS4.

Just a few:

1) I hate the feel of PS controllers.
2) Xbox Legacy customer...been here for all 3 of them. Never had a reason to complain
3) Xbox Exclusives > PS Exclusives (IMO)
4) Also, with XB I know more or less what to expect when dealing with Microsoft. I've had nothing but bad experiences with PSN and Sony when I was a PSP owner.

[NeonSamurai]

And as I said, I see why they would too. It's not a bad accessory and has its perks. I'd love to have all the consoles if I could, but I don't have the budget or that much interest to justify it. Someone might also say that the fact that I've spent about $1200 on software for my flight simulator alone (i.e. payware addons) is not the wisest investment, either, but at least I think I got exactly what I wanted and paid for. It just seems like Red runs into being unable to run games on PC far too often to not at least consider prioritizing it as a platform.

Ya I mean I know where your coming from, I've certainly spent some money on sim peripherals and games (I generally only fly combat sims though). Still though, 350$ or so for a decent console, vs needing to spend at least 600$ for a not quite decent gaming pc or 1000$ for a fairly decent one, its easy to see why he chose the way he did.

They might come out on top, and I'm fine with that. Whatever.

Many reasons why I didn't go PS4.

Just a few:

1) I hate the feel of PS controllers.
2) Xbox Legacy customer...been here for all 3 of them. Never had a reason to complain
3) Xbox Exclusives > PS Exclusives (IMO)
4) Also, with XB I know more or less what to expect when dealing with Microsoft. I've had nothing but bad experiences with PSN and Sony when I was a PSP owner.

I agree with 1, I figured with 2, can't agree with 3 though. But then I would be far more interested in Bloodborn (huge souls fan), Gran Turismo, and some of the others then Halo, Gears of War, Forza, etc. 4 can't comment on either, never owned an xbox or ps (played on both though).

I figure ultimately your response is similar to other brand faithful.

Anyhow I hope you enjoy it regardless :)

[les green01]

congrats red I remember when the Atari 2600 came out all the neiborhood kids came over we play for a hour or 2 then head outdoors to do other stuff like baseball:yeah:

[CaptainRamius]

I just came across this thread :D
Don't give in...get a PS4...please...its my dying wish....:D
Get what you want, it only matters if it plays most games well.

[Cybermat47]

It came with the Halo Master Chief collection, but it's an 80GB download so probably won't DL it anytime soon.

-_- you download that beauty now :O:

BTW, I played the Star Wars Battlefront Beta. I then pre-ordered Halo 5, and had no regrets doing so.

[Red October1984]

-_- you download that beauty now :O:

Home wifi internet has a 10GB limit for the month. After 10GB it slows down.

I'd rather not at the moment... :hmmm: