Obamas green Energy plan is not very popular

[mapuc]

Have seen a lot about his plan for the futur energy in USA

From what I have read so far-Obamas plan seem to be not so popular.

I choose not to post links-There are links who are for and there's a link who's against it.

Markus

[ikalugin]

I wonder what the plan entails.

[Jeff-Groves]

FEMA Camps that burn bodies to produce energy for the rich.
:har:

[Stealhead]

I wonder what the plan entails.
https://www.google.com/search?redir_esc=&client=tablet-android-lenovo&hl=en-US&oe=utf-8&safe=images&q=obama+green+energy&source=android-browser-suggest&qsubts=1438652286547

[Oberon]

Of course it's not popular, Obama did it. :O:

[razark]

Obama's <insert anything here> plan is not very popular.

[Betonov]

I don't like green energy plans.
They are based on popular opinion and not data.

[Catfish]

^ Of course, no scientific study is based on proper data – today.
Because those lobbies are everywhere, and a sample of 20 test subjects becomes statistically significant, in those 'studies'.

Also, as long as you outsource the last mineral and oil from the ground with the grossest methods, polluting everything and make the whole country look like a poisonous radioactive swamp, you will have the full support of the people. Or so it seems :03:

But then, medieval viewpoints die hard.

[Jimbuna]

I don't like green energy plans.
They are based on popular opinion and not data.

Trying to avoid Soylent Green I should imagine :03:

[Betonov]

There's a scientific way to have a green energy economy and we would already made progress on it.
But point scoring with the uninformed public is a great way to get re-elected and most of todays ''ecologists'' are about as uninformed as the die hard traditionalists.

[Oberon]

There's a scientific way to have a green energy economy and we would already made progress on it.
But point scoring with the uninformed public is a great way to get re-elected and most of todays ''ecologists'' are about as uninformed as the die hard traditionalists.

It's persuading companies to continue making progress on it that's key, I mean cutting carbon emissions is a valiant endeavour I think, and really the main opponents are those in industries that produce heavy amounts of CO2, such as coal power stations and the like.

Of course, I think that governments should start putting money towards preparing for what's coming in terms of climate change and sea level rises. Because it's not going to be pretty and it's going to cost a lot of money on a regular basis.

[ikalugin]

Well I mean, with the nuclear power problems US appears to have it is either more fossil fuels or going green.

[mapuc]

Thank you for your reply.

I had hope for a positive or a negative answer about Obama´s green energy plan.

I know there are those Americans who dislike Obama and therefor dislike every idea he comes up with and they do this by automatic

There must be some who aren't against Obama, but have the knowledge about this green energy and current energy in USA

And can give a positive or a negative answer.

Markus

[STEED]

I'm pro Nuclear Power in your face Cameron and Co. :O:

[ikalugin]

And how is nuclear power working out in UK?

[Schroeder]

Sooner or later we've got to go green anyway. We might as well do it while we still have time and fossil fuels in reserve. I don't want to wait for it to become a Greek model where everybody saw the end coming but no one had the balls to step on the brake.

[ikalugin]

I think US should develop nuclear industry, or it would be left behind by various other countries, such as Russia in this regard.

[mapuc]

I think US should develop nuclear industry, or it would be left behind by various other countries, such as Russia in this regard.


Today the development in nuclear science have taken a huge step for ward since three mile island disaster.

In Norway there is this experimental reactor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

Markus

[Oberon]

And how is nuclear power working out in UK?

Getting there, mostly French companies, EDF operate most of the stuff, GEC Alstom make reactors usually. I hear the Chinese are getting in on the market too, probably with the new reactors that are planned in the next five or so years, but it'll probably still be mainly French lead, they've got a good hold of the western european market, such as it is.

[Betonov]

Today the development in nuclear science have taken a huge step for ward since three mile island disaster.

In Norway there is this experimental reactor

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorium-based_nuclear_power

Markus

I'm keeping an eye on thorium power.
If it sounds too good to be true it usually is, but when it comes to thorium things are actually being made.

Too bad hippies can't differentiate between the age of Chernobyl and last gen reactors.

[ikalugin]

I think that classical low enrichment reactors with fast neutron breeders is the way, with slow shift to the later (ie the BN series, existing BN800 and future BN1200).

[Platapus]

GREEN ENERGY IS MADE FROM PEOPLE! :o

[ikalugin]

We have this joke by technofascists that all humanitarian sciences people should be transformed into natural gas.

[Stealhead]

Sooner or later we've got to go green anyway. We might as well do it while we still have time and fossil fuels in reserve. I don't want to wait for it to become a Greek model where everybody saw the end coming but no one had the balls to step on the brake.


The human races track record suggests that you may be slightly disappointed also Mad Max needs the oil wars to even exist.:D

[Admiral Halsey]

Just build more nuke plants. With the latest generation of reactors IIRC a single fuel load can keep the running for 50+ years. Waste admittedly would still be a problem but I say do what we should've done and shoved it deep, way deep, like go to the tallest mountain and drill to the very bottom of it deep in the Rockies. Do that and the stuff would never get out.

[Torplexed]

Just build more nuke plants. With the latest generation of reactors IIRC a single fuel load can keep the running for 50+ years. Waste admittedly would still be a problem but I say do what we should've done and shoved it deep, way deep, like go to the tallest mountain and drill to the very bottom of it deep in the Rockies. Do that and the stuff would never get out.


We already have such a site building in Nevada. If storing nuclear waste at a place as remote, as desolate, as geologically stable as Yucca Mountain, threatens the health and safety of millions of Americans, then there is no safe place to store it.

The only reason it's not completed now is opposition from the NIMBYs in Nevada. Being such staunch environmentalists, I'm sure they'd cheer wildly if Hoover Dam was dismantled to allow the Colorado River to run free again and Vegas went dark. :D

[Oberon]

and Vegas went dark. :D

This could only improve things in Vegas... :yep:

[Torplexed]

This could only improve things in Vegas... :yep:

Try blackjack during a blackout. You'll never go back to backgammon. :O:

http://blog.caesars.com/las-vegas//wp-content/uploads/2013/03/earth_hour2013_1.jpg

[Admiral Halsey]

We already have such a site building in Nevada. If storing nuclear waste at a place as remote, as desolate, as geologically stable as Yucca Mountain, threatens the health and safety of millions of Americans, then there is no safe place to store it.

The only reason it's not completed now is opposition from the NIMBYs in Nevada. Being such staunch environmentalists, I'm sure they'd cheer wildly if Hoover Dam was dismantled to allow the Colorado River to run free again and Vegas went dark. :D

Forgot about Yucca Mountain. That place is pretty much apocalypse proof and probably the safest place in the world to keep the waste at.

[Aktungbby]

^INDEED! Lootin', arson or....:oops: A thriving urban legend (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_legend) arose in the wake of the blackout, claiming that a peak in the birthrate (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthrate) of the blacked-out areas of New York City was observed nine months after the incident. The myth originated in a series of three articles published in The New York Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_New_York_Times) in August 1966, in which interviewed doctors mentioned that they had noticed an increased number of births. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_blackout_of_1965) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_City_blackout_of_1977)

[Schroeder]

Just build more nuke plants. With the latest generation of reactors IIRC a single fuel load can keep the running for 50+ years. Waste admittedly would still be a problem but I say do what we should've done and shoved it deep, way deep, like go to the tallest mountain and drill to the very bottom of it deep in the Rockies. Do that and the stuff would never get out.
Even after decades of searching we haven't found a safe place for the stuff yet in Germany. The problem with holes in some mountains is that they tend to run full of water here. We've placed some radioactive waste in a former potassium mine called Asse and now we've got the problem that water runs into it and corrodes all the barrels that contain that stuff. Now we've probably got to retrieve those barrels (which were dumped with the intention to be irretrievable....) and that will cost billions.:/\\!!
Oh and the project was supposed to prove that those mines are safe to store radioactive waste for 30.000years....it actually lasted roughly 30 years before the problems appeared.:/\\!!

[ikalugin]

How about reprocessing?

[Father Goose]

From what I have read so far-Obamas plan seem to be not so popular.

You could have just posted Obama is not so popular. That would have covered it all. :03:

[Catfish]

Forgot about Yucca Mountain. That place is pretty much apocalypse proof and probably the safest place in the world to keep the waste at.

Reminds me of "Fire on the mountain".
All belongs to the government.

[Betonov]

US has a lot of nice sites for disposing waste. Europe could just pay you to handle our waste.

But I'm for stuffing the stuff into rockets, aim for Venus and pray the rocket won't explode during launch.

[August]

Try blackjack during a blackout. You'll never go back to backgammon. :O:

http://blog.caesars.com/las-vegas//wp-content/uploads/2013/03/earth_hour2013_1.jpg

That's Vegas during a blackout? Hmm it is still has a thousand times more light than my neighborhood does normally, except Christmas then we go all out. :up:

[Oberon]

Speaking of nuclear, seventy year anniversary today.

[Torplexed]

Speaking of nuclear, seventy year anniversary today.


Yeah, I'm kind of surprised the "was it necessary?" guilt bombs haven't started dropping yet as they have in years past.

[ikalugin]

With Soviet entry into the war and fire bombings it was not (from WW2 perspective).

But then the nuclear bombings of Japanese cities were not the last shots of WW2, but first shots of the Cold War.

[mapuc]

You could have just posted Obama is not so popular. That would have covered it all. :03:

I know that among many American he is not popular at all, this thread is not about his politics in general, it is about his "green energy plan"

I also know-as mentioned before-there are those who are against everything Obama comes up with. They do so by automatic

Markus

[Torplexed]

They do so by automatic

Markus

Well, actually Obamamatic--the automatic knee-jerk gainsaying of every Obama says. :D

If he says his energy plan is green, then in some eyes it must red, or blue, or puce.

[em2nought]

Funny thing about Americans, they expect to have a President, not an Emperor who is immune to any kind of check and balance. A system that has been in place since the beginning suddenly seems broken beyond repair. :hmmm:

[Platapus]

Funny thing about Americans, they expect to have a President, not an Emperor who is immune to any kind of check and balance. A system that has been in place since the beginning suddenly seems broken beyond repair. :hmmm:

Not at all. The system still works. We have not had any president seize power they are not constitutionally allowed, nor have we had any president, even in time of war, cancel elections.

[Oberon]

Not at all. The system still works. We have not had any president seize power they are not constitutionally allowed, nor have we had any president, even in time of war, cancel elections.

You're bringing facts in again, how many times do I have to tell you about this... :nope:

[mapuc]

You're bringing facts in again, how many times do I have to tell you about this... :nope:


?? I thought I would get facts when I post something here i GT. Except in threads like-Funny thread. last to post win etc.

Markus

[Admiral Halsey]

Even after decades of searching we haven't found a safe place for the stuff yet in Germany. The problem with holes in some mountains is that they tend to run full of water here. We've placed some radioactive waste in a former potassium mine called Asse and now we've got the problem that water runs into it and corrodes all the barrels that contain that stuff. Now we've probably got to retrieve those barrels (which were dumped with the intention to be irretrievable....) and that will cost billions.:/\\!!
Oh and the project was supposed to prove that those mines are safe to store radioactive waste for 30.000years....it actually lasted roughly 30 years before the problems appeared.:/\\!!

Eh you don't have to really worry about that deep in the Rockies or Yucca Mountain. Least not for a couple hundred years.

[Wolferz]

Just build more nuke plants. With the latest generation of reactors IIRC a single fuel load can keep the running for 50+ years. Waste admittedly would still be a problem but I say do what we should've done and shoved it deep, way deep, like go to the tallest mountain and drill to the very bottom of it deep in the Rockies. Do that and the stuff would never get out.

There is already proven breeder reactor technology that doesn't produce waste and actually breeds it's own fuel supply.
Why isn't it being used, you ask?
Because someone can't make loads of money off it, above and beyond the power it generates.:-?