Submarine found in Swedish waters

[daft]

Wreck divers Ocean X Team have found a sunken submarine of what looks like fairly modern design and it doesn't seem to be overgrown with underwater growth or silt. They also claim there is something that looks like cyrillic letters on the hull and all hatches are closed. It was found ~2.5km from the Swedish coast with it's hull apparently intact without any indications of damage.

All of this is just the initial impressions made by the dive team. Nothing has been confirmed.

[daft]

Saw a quick image of the sonar profile, and it looks like an old WW2 or earlier silhouette. Then they show the films of it, and it looks very, very clean. Weird.

[VirtualVikingX]

Holy moly! This could be interesting...! (Sorry - cant find a link to a english version of the story)

[VirtualVikingX]

"P R E S S R E L E A S E 2015-07-27

A Russian mini-submarine has been discovered at Swedish territorial waters not far from the Swedish coast. The submarine is about 20 meters long and three and a half meters wide. It is unclear how old the submarine is and how long it has been laying at the sea floor, but the Cyrillic letters on the hull indicates that it is Russian.

The discovery was made previous week by the Ocean X Team and Ixplorer.

– The submarine is completely intact, have no visible damage to the hull and the hatches are closed. Therefore do we fear that the crew have not been able to save them self when the sub went down, says Stefan Hogeborn, divers in Ocean X Team.

The submarine was found during an expedition where a camera equipped, unmanned mini-submarine of the model ROV, Remote Operated Vehicle, was sent down.

Swedish Armed Forces was informed earlier today.

Ocean X Team is now preparing for a new expedition, divers will be sent down to film and to investigate the submarine wreck more closely.

Ocean X Team has previously made several discoveries such as shipwrecks and historical objects, including bottles of champagne from 1916 and the circular of the Baltic Sea Phenomenon etc.

See moving pictures of the discovery site here, Expressen: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/frammande-ubat-hittad-i-svenskt-vatten/"

Link: http://www.oceanexplorer.se/

[Aktungbby]

nothing available yet from this end:Kaleun_Salivating: ....

[daft]

I'm not very well versed in ocean life, but how is it possible for a structure to remain as clean as the one shown in the images? It certainly looks like some sort of conning tower, but no growth can be seen at all. The close ups of the alleged "cyrillic letter" do show some growth (or possibly just silt).

And again, the sonar profile of the thing looks distinctly WW2-ish, but I don't know the angle it is taken at. Very interesting.

@Aktungbby

"This end" is what end? Germany? :)

[Oberon]

:doh: That is...that is very well preserved, too well preserved.

Compare with the last Soviet sub that they found in Swedish waters:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2249510/Submarine-wreck-Soviet-sub-lost-WW2-Baltic-sea.html

Wonder if it was one of the Type XXIs that the Soviets got after WWII. :hmmm:

[Gargamel]

It be funny if they found it while it was on assignment. All of a sudden it just gets up and leaves.

[Rockstar]

I'm not very well versed in ocean life, but how is it possible for a structure to remain as clean as the one shown in the images? It certainly looks like some sort of conning tower, but no growth can be seen at all. The close ups of the alleged "cyrillic letter" do show some growth (or possibly just silt).

And again, the sonar profile of the thing looks distinctly WW2-ish, but I don't know the angle it is taken at. Very interesting.

@Aktungbby

"This end" is what end? Germany? :)

I reckon the amount of marine growth would be dependent on the amount of light penetrating the depths, water temperature, nutrient levels and currents at the site.

[Jimbuna]

It be funny if they found it while it was on assignment. All of a sudden it just gets up and leaves.

I was thinking that as well :)

[Catfish]

Hehe, those tricky Russians, all the time they use WW2 boats to spy, and play dead when being found :woot:
Would explain all those sub sightings in swedish waters ahem

[Oberon]

YOU HAVE BEEN COUNTER-DETECTED, CONTINUE WITH YOUR MISSION.

:O: :haha:

[vienna]

https://v.cdn.vine.co/r/thumbs/1D51B9ECC41141030318007324672_3.0.1.15026640691840 596890.mp4.jpg?versionId=4TUAKHSP7m5p_1b0rHMNDXRYu RhErnjs


"Andrei, you've lost another submarine?"...


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[Oberon]

:har::har::har::har: :up:

[Aktungbby]

@Aktungbby

"This end" is what end? Germany? :)
:har: R U 'daft' Man!
P R E S S R E L E A S E 2015-07-27
A Russian mini-submarine has been discovered at Swedish territorial waters not far from the Swedish coast. The submarine is about 20 meters long and three and a half meters wide. It is unclear how old the submarine is and how long it has been laying at the sea floor, but the Cyrillic letters on the hull indicates that it is Russian.
The discovery was made previous week by the Ocean X Team and Ixplorer.
– The submarine is completely intact, have no visible damage to the hull and the hatches are closed. Therefore do we fear that the crew have not been able to save them self when the sub went down, says Stefan Hogeborn, divers in Ocean X Team.
The submarine was found during an expedition where a camera equipped, unmanned mini-submarine of the model ROV, Remote Operated Vehicle, was sent down.
Swedish Armed Forces was informed earlier today.
Ocean X Team is now preparing for a new expedition, divers will be sent down to film and to investigate the submarine wreck more closely.
Even money says it's a Piranha titanium(The non-magnetic alloy would greatly reduce the effectiveness of enemymagnetic anomaly detectors (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_anomaly_detector) or magnetic against this type of vessel.) hull; 9 crew https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/b/b3/T792.jpghttp://i2.wp.com/news.usni.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/10/img5444.jpg?resize=600%2C290 (http://news.usni.org/2014/10/21/swedes-searching-covert-russian-midget-sub/img5444)Only two Piranha-class submarines were reportedly ever built in Russia.:hmmm: EDIT: no joy on Piranha.... The Swede: "Per Andersson, former member of submarine analysis group, believes himself to be sure it is a Catfish-submarine that sank in the Baltic in 1916.
I feel very confident that there is a Catfish. It is true with the details of the submarine, "he said.
28.2 meters depth 300 (max) meters.

[daft]

It be funny if they found it while it was on assignment. All of a sudden it just gets up and leaves.

:har: R U 'daft' Man!

I didn't just grab the user name out of thin air! :D:doh::arrgh!:

[daft]

I reckon the amount of marine growth would be dependent on the amount of light penetrating the depths, water temperature, nutrient levels and currents at the site.

An old Seehund 127 (possibly in Soviet service) and a Russian Som class sub has been named as possible suspects based on the shapes shown in the images, nothing else. Som collided with a Swedish steamer in 1916 and sank.

https://twitter.com/Twitt_Skipper/status/625747959846731777

https://twitter.com/CorporalFrisk/status/625751383166226432

Just speculation of course. Someone else mentions "Bars", "Lioness" and "Cheetah".

[mapuc]

If the sub is very old-which I doubt* I guess the sub and the dead bodies will be send back to Russia

If it is a modern sub- I guess there will be a little diplomatically crisis between Sweden and Russia.

About 6 month from now-life will go back to normal.

Markus

[UglyMowgli]

Just read the news here

http://themess.net/forum/military-discussion/49756-foreign-submarine-wreck-found-in-swedish-waters

http://z.cdn-expressen.se/images/86/f0/86f02904d6d047aab8a0bae0ede583d8/16x9/645@70.jpg

Can't find any confirmation in english.

[Type941]

Lets see what comes of it.

from the explorer's site:

P R E S S R E L E A S E 2015-07-27

A Russian mini-submarine has been discovered at Swedish territorial waters not far from the Swedish coast. The submarine is about 20 meters long and three and a half meters wide. It is unclear how old the submarine is and how long it has been laying at the sea floor, but the Cyrillic letters on the hull indicates that it is Russian.

The discovery was made previous week by the Ocean X Team and Ixplorer.

– The submarine is completely intact, have no visible damage to the hull and the hatches are closed. Therefore do we fear that the crew have not been able to save them self when the sub went down, says Stefan Hogeborn, divers in Ocean X Team.

The submarine was found during an expedition where a camera equipped, unmanned mini-submarine of the model ROV, Remote Operated Vehicle, was sent down.

Swedish Armed Forces was informed earlier today.

Ocean X Team is now preparing for a new expedition, divers will be sent down to film and to investigate the submarine wreck more closely.

Ocean X Team has previously made several discoveries such as shipwrecks and historical objects, including bottles of champagne from 1916 and the circular of the Baltic Sea Phenomenon etc.

See moving pictures of the discovery site here, Expressen: http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/frammande-ubat-hittad-i-svenskt-vatten/

Anyone here know of a Russian submarine "20m long and 3m wide"? Surely someone will identify this fast.

[Rosencrantz]

Well, at least it does look like a really old boat - definitely not a post-war model. Som I think is a good guess. Papers will sell good tomorrow. Too bad it wasn't something more recent design.


-RC-

[daft]

Former member of the Submarine Analysis Group says he is convinced it is Russian sub Catfish that sunk in 1916.

http://www.expressen.se/nyheter/expert-allting-tyder-pa-att-det-ar-catfish/

He says that its position has been known by the Swedish Armed Forces for a while but that knowledge is not official.

If the Ocean X guys cleaned it up before going public... These are thesame guys that found the underwater "UFo" a while back. They know PR.

[mapuc]

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=221229

[Aktungbby]

Moderator: please merge threads

[Stealhead]

Sure looks like a pre WWII boat to me. Looks a bit like an old R-boat I know that the Imperial Russian Navy did buy boats from both Holland and Lake and I'm pretty sure they had something similar to the R-boat.

[NeonSamurai]

I think it is an old submarine as well, based on the video I saw of its sail area, and the sonar.

As for its condition it is not all that unusual, from the sonar images it looks like the sub is resting in an underwater desert area, so you would not expect to see any growth, just a coating of sediment.

The Baltic Ocean is also famous for how well it preserves wrecks and artifacts. For example, the Russian monitor Rusalka, which sank in 1893.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EaVKDQxdukY
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_monitor_Rusalka

[Stealhead]

The Baltic Sea probably has a lower salt content as well which helps preserve a ship especially a metal one. The Black Sea is the really interesting one below a certain depth the salt content is low in addition the oxygen level iis very low making it the ideal preserver of ships even ancient wooden ones.

Of course you have the Swedish warship that sank on its first vovage the Vasa it was very well preserved. I visited the Vasa once on a summer trip my dad sent me by myself on having been only 18 I don't really remember much as I was more interested in Swedish women. I did buy one of those wooden etchings at the gift shop I still have it I like to hang it on kitchen walls and have people ask what the hell the Vasa is.

[daft]

The Baltic Sea probably has a lower salt content as well which helps preserve a ship especially a metal one. The Black Sea is the really interesting one below a certain depth the salt content is low in addition the oxygen level iis very low making it the ideal preserver of ships even ancient wooden ones.

Of course you have the Swedish warship that sank on its first vovage the Vasa it was very well preserved. I visited the Vasa once on a summer trip my dad sent me by myself on having been only 18 I don't really remember much as I was more interested in Swedish women. I did buy one of those wooden etchings at the gift shop I still have it I like to hang it on kitchen walls and have people ask what the hell the Vasa is.

Indeed, there is no shipworm in the Baltic Sea which means wooden ships are often very well preserved. There is also no growth under 40 meters, and from the looks of things, this sub is sitting deeper than 40m. An interesting find nonetheless. I only wish the Ocean X Team could be a bit less assholish about stuff like this. It's obviously a PR stunt to garner interest in their services, just as what they did with the UFO thing. Turns out that someone having the same name as one of the guys in Ocean X Team asked questions about the Catfish about a year ago on Uboat.net. They almost certainly knew EXACTLY what they had found but chose to go all mysterious, and our press freaked out and wet their panties. :D:doh::/\\!!

[daft]

Skipper is a great source for info on the Swedish navy and maritime stuff in general. Original post about the Som (Catfish):

http://navyskipper.blogspot.se/2015/07/en-ubat-pa-botten-utanfor-stockholms.html

Google translate:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnavyskipper.blogspot.se%2F2015%2F07 %2Fen-ubat-pa-botten-utanfor-stockholms.html&edit-text=

[Jimbuna]

Threads merged.

[dsawan]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Losos-class_submarine

[daft]

Swedish Armed Forces confirms it is the Catfish that sank in 1916:

http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktuellt/2015/07/ubat-fran-1916-funnen-i-svenska-vatten/

[Sung]

100 years old and in very good condition :hmmm:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/attachment.php?attachmentid=1535&stc=1&d=1438106981

:o

[CjStaal]

One of the reasons it could be so well preserved is that the oxygen content of the water might be very low.

[CCIP]

Yeah, the Baltic is usually quite good to wrecks. Same reason that the Swedes were also able to raise the Vasa after more than 300 years and still find it in very good condition: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasa_(ship)

[Oberon]

If the sub itself is so well preserved...I wonder what condition the crew are in. This is one of those situations where the urge to raise such a pristine find is tempered by the knowledge that it's a grave... :hmmm:

[mapuc]

First of all I was wrong. It wasn't a modern sub from either the 80s or later.

Could I be wrong if I write.

Maybe the Swedish government allow some Russian company to raise the sub and take it home so the crew can get a funeral.

Markus