Astrology.

[Eisenwurst]

I know there's a few guys on the GT forum that are believers in the "Stars" and their influence on peoples characters etc.

I believe there's something in it but don't go the " whole hog " as it were.

I'd be interested in what the rest of you think.

!. Burn the Witch.

2. You're all mad.

3.There's something in it.

4. Firm believer.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEYSd_Sb8b0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEYSd_Sb8b0)

[Stealhead]

I remember in basic training this guy from Maine was a Wiccan. He "read" palms in fact he was just an observant person and listened to conversations which is how he "knew" so much about people.

I've met plenty of people the same sign as me (Sagittarius) who are in no way shape or form similar to my personality.

Way back when I see the logic in such thinking. If the world is the center of the universe surely the moon and the stars in the night sky are a way for the gods to tell us things.

[Aktungbby]

I
[QUOTE]I've met plenty of people the same sign as me (Sagittarius) who are in no way shape or form similar to my personality.
"The fault, dear Stealhead, is not in our stars,
But in ourselves, that we are underlings.":shifty:
If the world is the center of the universe surely the moon and the stars in the night sky are a way for the gods to tell us things "O, 'swear not by the moon, the' inconstant moon,
That monthly changes in her circle orb," :/\\!! Everything predicted for my sign always becomes strangely so...tis' weird and even a little fishy but then I'm a Pisces.:O:

[nikimcbee]

My "ex" was really into it.

[Betonov]

Nothing but just another way to give people an excuse not to think for themselves.
A waste of time at best, a waste of money and loss of free thinking at worst.

Although, the Moon does in fact influence our behavior.

[Eichhörnchen]

Betonov's afterthought there is perhaps telling. Isn't it pretty much accepted that the moon's phases affect some people? And a force powerful enough to create the tides on earth must likely touch us in other ways, so is it such a leap to imagine that planets might also exert some influence on our neural development in the womb?

Of course that may all be so much bs; I never look at these forecasts or give any credence to them as far as "foretelling" things goes because in my view that side of it is most definitely bs, so I guess I'm somewhat on the fence with you, eisenwurst.
(SPOOKY!)

[Oberon]

I remember in basic training this guy from Maine was a Wiccan. He "read" palms in fact he was just an observant person and listened to conversations which is how he "knew" so much about people.

I've met plenty of people the same sign as me (Sagittarius) who are in no way shape or form similar to my personality.

Way back when I see the logic in such thinking. If the world is the center of the universe surely the moon and the stars in the night sky are a way for the gods to tell us things.

That's 9/10s of all Wiccan really, knowledge of things taking place around you, be it peoples behaviour, animal behaviour or plantlife behaviour. Knowing what herbs make what remedies and so forth. Just a basic grounding in natural behaviour.

Of course, for this Vincent Price and Ecuador his horse will visit you.

[Betonov]

Betonov's afterthought there is perhaps telling. Isn't it pretty much accepted that the moon's phases affect some people? And a force powerful enough to create the tides on earth must likely touch us in other ways, so is it such a leap to imagine that planets might also exert some influence on our neural development in the womb?



The Moon influences us because it creates dark and less dark nights by it's phases and a full moon was more dangerous because predators had an easy way of spotting us so we learned to be more alert and agressive during a full moon.
Planets and stars are simply just too far away to influence us. Neither durign development or once we're born.


One more thing:
Around 600 BCE, the zero point was in Aries and was called the "first point of Aries." The constellation Aries encompassed the first 30 degrees of the ecliptic; from 30 to 60 degrees was Taurus; from 60 to 90 degrees was Gemini; and so on for all twelve constellations of the Zodiac.
Unbeknownst to the ancient astrologers, the Earth continually wobbles around its axis in a 25,800-year cycle. This wobble—called precession—is caused by the gravitational attraction of the Moon on Earth's equatorial bulge.

Over the past two-and-a-half millennia, this wobble has caused the intersection point between the celestial equator and the ecliptic to move west along the ecliptic by 36 degrees, or almost exactly one-tenth of the way around. This means that the signs have slipped one-tenth—or almost one whole month—of the way around the sky to the west, relative to the stars beyond.
For instance, those born between March 21 and April 19 consider themselves to be Aries. Today, the Sun is no longer within the constellation of Aries during much of that period. From March 11 to April 18, the Sun is actually in the constellation of Pisces! (Figure 2) See also Figure 3, which demonstrates the precession of the equinoxes from 600 BCE to 2600.http://www.livescience.com/4667-astrological-sign.html


That's 9/10s of all Wiccan really, knowledge of things taking place around you, be it peoples behaviour, animal behaviour or plantlife behaviour. Knowing what herbs make what remedies and so forth. Just a basic grounding in natural behaviour.


Wiccans are what ''hippies'' and ''tree huggers'' should be.
Non brainwashed, non hysterical, non loud and reasonable people that understand that being one with nature is not wearing hemp clothes and writting blogs.

[Gargamel]

Betonov's afterthought there is perhaps telling. Isn't it pretty much accepted that the moon's phases affect some people? And a force powerful enough to create the tides on earth must likely touch us in other ways, so is it such a leap to imagine that planets might al

Trust me, after many many years in EMS, the full moon does have an effect on people.

But it's a simple answer, there's more light during a full moon, so more activity tends to occur during a full moon. Even in urban areas which are filled with artificial light, the dark shadows are less dark.


The gravity of the doctor had more affect on you during birth than all the other planets' gravities. So until they start factoring in the location of the OBGYN in Pisces, astrology is a sham.

It's been proven, in study after study, that horoscope's are total bunk. It's called the Barnum Effect. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barnum_effect

[STEED]

Rubbish just like reading tea leafs its all rubbish.

[Red Devil]

a pattern of stellar nuclear furnaces, several trillion light years apart, just happen to form a 'shape' in the universe depending on the point of view, and some idiotic nerd says, they can predict the future from this. Yeah ok. :/\\!!

Keep him talking folks, I'll just ring the funny farm!! :haha:

[Red Devil]

Rubbish just like reading tea leafs its all rubbish.


I can never cut open the tea bag properly, I hate it when it does that. Its not as if I never saw it coming!! :timeout:

The wife said, I can foresee you with a brush and dustpan in a few seconds!! Bloody eck, she is a medium and I never knew. Probably because I used to be , but am now an extra large

[Eichhörnchen]

Rubbish just like reading tea leafs its all rubbish.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBGBh70KzbQ

[Red Devil]

on the subject of East 17, in that video. They did a 'comeback' gig in Dublin, 30 people turned up!!:har:

[STEED]

I can never cut open the tea bag properly, I hate it when it does that. Its not as if I never saw it coming!! :timeout:

The wife said, I can foresee you with a brush and dustpan in a few seconds!! Bloody eck, she is a medium and I never knew. Probably because I used to be , but am now an extra large

:har:

[STEED]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBGBh70KzbQ

:har: :har: :up:

Weather up North is bloody rubbish. :rotfl2:

[Torplexed]

Rubbish just like reading tea leafs its all rubbish.

Yeah, that sums it up for me. :)

People just love to be told something special about themselves, particularly when it's flattering. Astrology, tea leaves, palm reading. Being the center of attention is the thing, like a moth drawn to a lightbulb. That's the attraction that keeps this ancient rubbish going.

It also seems astrology almost never predicts anything useful, and the occasions that it does are so rare as to be easily the result of blind luck. The most famous predictive astronomer the world has ever known, Nostradamus, never seems clear enough in his writings to warn us about something in advance. It is only by post hoc reasoning that his babbling fans seem to understand what he actually meant.

[Schroeder]

I always enjoy my horoscope with a spoon full of Snake Oil....:yep:

Seriously, I think it's all nonsense for the gullible.:/\\!!

[Jimbuna]

My "ex" was really into it.

And that his how she bacame your 'ex' :)

[Stealhead]

Interesting read about the "effects" of the moon cycle. I agree when something has been myth for thousands of years it tends to stick.
http://www.universetoday.com/112861/why-do-people-go-crazy-during-a-full-moon/

[Platapus]

My opinion is that it is like pretty much any other religion. If it gives people what they seek in life, if it makes them happy, if that is the way they choose to obtain inner peace, more power to them.

Just don't push it on other people and understand that not everyone will agree with you.

[mapuc]

Astrology-one of my aunt was very much into this, she made her own "stuff"(do not know what they call all this lines a.s.o)

She tried to make me interested. As a person with a kind of science brain-I wanted to read about it with a science view

I found out that astrology is know as far back to ancient Egypt. I have also found out that our stars have since then-about 2-3000 years ago, changed position and the astrology haven't- What was Pisces should be Aquarius the zodiac sign has so to say jumped one step ahead.

Let two person write down all the information an astrologist need to make...what it is called.

When this astrologist is finished and give you this two paper, reverse them and give them to this two person. So person 1 gets the outcome for person 2. Guess what these two person will say

MY God, it is so true.

I rest my case.

Markus

[Betonov]

When this astrologist is finished and give you this two paper, reverse them and give them to this two person. So person 1 gets the outcome for person 2. Guess what these two person will say

MY God, it is so true.



Warning, this is Penn and Teller, so NSFW
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AyTbLqSBfI

[Red Devil]

Astrology-one of my aunt was very much into this, she made her own "stuff"(do not know what they call all this lines a.s.o)

She tried to make me interested. As a person with a kind of science brain-I wanted to read about it with a science view

I found out that astrology is know as far back to ancient Egypt. I have also found out that our stars have since then-about 2-3000 years ago, changed position and the astrology haven't- What was Pisces should be Aquarius the zodiac sign has so to say jumped one step ahead.

Let two person write down all the information an astrologist need to make...what it is called.

When this astrologist is finished and give you this two paper, reverse them and give them to this two person. So person 1 gets the outcome for person 2. Guess what these two person will say

MY God, it is so true.

I rest my case.

Markus

The zodiacal 'clock' was 'invented' in Mesopotamia, Assyrians I think. But what astrology today does not take into accouny is that, in the thousands of years since, the zodiac has clicked forward 1 hour.

This means that Leos, are actually Virgos, etc etc. So how can it be accurate forecasting when the clock is on the wrong time?????? :down:

[Eichhörnchen]

Yeah...and I always wondered how an aggressive "Leo" could suddenly turn out to be a pacific "Virgo", should he or she be born after a delayed or prolonged delivery, so just according to the clock on the wall?:hmmm:

[Red Devil]

.............. well, as there is no such thing as astrology, I can tell you that my birthday is 18th Aug, towards the end of the Leo annual regime. But, since I started taking the tablets, I have become a virgo. I will say no more as I am already under a warning for saying a naughty word; :/\\!!

[mapuc]

The zodiacal 'clock' was 'invented' in Mesopotamia, Assyrians I think. But what astrology today does not take into accouny is that, in the thousands of years since, the zodiac has clicked forward 1 hour.

This means that Leos, are actually Virgos, etc etc. So how can it be accurate forecasting when the clock is on the wrong time?????? :down:

The interest for the stars and the belief, that they have some kind of influence on us, go back longer than that. I have until now always thought it was the Egyptians who put it Into systems-the 12 zodiac signs-or that is what I have remembered, which was wrong

Markus

[Nippelspanner]

Although, the Moon does in fact influence our behavior.
Which has to do with Astronomy, not Astrology. :03:

[Betonov]

Which has to do with Astronomy, not Astrology. :03:

And that sums it up better that I would :up:

[Red Devil]

Which has to do with Astronomy, not Astrology. :03:


More like Mythology :know:

[Torplexed]

And that his how she bacame your 'ex' :)

I can see the dangers in that. :O:

http://40.media.tumblr.com/d076278ba6cdfa50b3df050fa4666dcb/tumblr_na9uo9e7jO1tp42tfo1_1280.jpg

[Eisenwurst]

Way back in the 70s when I was a boilermaker we had a guy at work who liked to "project" himself as a tough guy, mean s.o.b. You'd look at him and think "Hell's Angel, murderer", a lot of guys were scared of him.

With time I got to know him and was surprised to learn he was a devout catholic, happily married with a young family. And he was a fanatic believer when it came to "star signs". He'd be forever going on "blah blah Capricorn blah blah bloody virgos etc".

But to give him credit he thought the horoscopes in the paper were a load of crap and I agree.

[Sailor Steve]

I believe in astrology. Here's my horoscope for today:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/Horoscope_zpsflbwqjnd.jpg (http://s14.photobucket.com/user/SailorSteve/media/Horoscope_zpsflbwqjnd.jpg.html)


Oh, I'm an Aries, by the way.

[Jeff-Groves]

Bet the stars didn't tell you I wouldn't vote in any way.

[Torplexed]

I believe in astrology. Here's my horoscope for today:
Oh, I'm an Aries, by the way.

You're better than the Amazing Criswell. Finally. A horoscope I can trust. :D

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Sailor_Steve_Predicts.jpg

[Sailor Steve]

Bet the stars didn't tell you I wouldn't vote in any way.
Actually Johnny Depp, Natalie Portman and Robert Downey, Jr. all called to advise me of that very fact. :O:

[BossMark]

Well as a Virgo I.......................:huh:

[Jimbuna]

I'll believe when I read the lottery result prior to it being drawn.

[Platapus]

When I call a psychic hotline, why do they ask me for my credit card number. That should be the first test they do. :D

[Torplexed]

When I call a psychic hotline, why do they ask me for my credit card number. That should be the first test they do. :D

Ya, mon, where da hell you bin? Call me now for your free readin'. The cards never lie!

http://www.yallknowwhat.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/miss-cleo.jpg

[Red Devil]

Actually Johnny Depp, Natalie Portman and Robert Downey, Jr. all called to advise me of that very fact. :O:

I got a nice tweet from Johnny Depp in reply to a Twitter article in news on his visiting a kids hospital in Brisbane Australia in the full Pirates regalia. :arrgh!:

No I tend not to use it too much, I only went in to see what someone had written. BUt dsont ask JD if he would like to join here, his language can be a bit erm, fruitful!

[Betonov]

Too bad none of you speak Serb.
There's this guy in Serbia, a psycic hotline and people ask him to cure their problems and luift curses and he just makes a fool of them.
One time this poor fellow called his chickens are dying and he told him to go to the kitchen and break an egg on his head and a moment later a loud crack of an egg braking was heard trough the line.
He's been sued a dozen times but he's still making money of it.

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-AMypUDAiI9Q/UqRvyhYFiiI/AAAAAAAAnhs/C71eZoXOSLg/w539-h495/Iza%25C5%25A1la%2Bkarta.jpg

[Red Devil]

why are people so gullible? There must be at leats 50 million of them here in the UK. Some people even think soaps are REAL!!!

[Torplexed]

Too bad none of you speak Serb.
There's this guy in Serbia, a psycic hotline and people ask him to cure their problems and luift curses and he just makes a fool of them.
One time this poor fellow called his chickens are dying and he told him to go to the kitchen and break an egg on his head and a moment later a loud crack of an egg braking was heard trough the line.
He's been sued a dozen times but he's still making money of it.



Too funny. His cheesy headgear and robes remind me of Johnny Carson doing his Carnac the Magnificent psychic spoof. :)

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Carnac.jpg

[Betonov]

Too funny. His cheesy headgear and robes remind me of Johnny Carson doing his Carnac the Magnificent physic spoof. :)



He might have used Johnny as inspiration.

Just went to youtube for some Milan Tarot and one woman called her daughter can't find a boyfriend and he told her to draw hearts with ketchup on the floor of every room in her house.

[Torplexed]

why are people so gullible? There must be at leats 50 million of them here in the UK. Some people even think soaps are REAL!!!

Wishful thinking?....a wired in desire to believe in something bigger?....vulnerable to suggestion moments?...perhaps reality is too mundane? It's hard to say. Psychics, UFOs, Bigfoot, ghost hunters, spoon-benders..all this rubbish just recycles and recycles generation after generation despite the fact that none of it ever pans out to a feasible scientific conclusion. I find it amusing that we seem to go through an impending "End of the World" event every few years. When the moment passes and we're all still here, it seems to have no effect on certain people breathlessly lining up for the next apocalyptic claptrap prediction.

[Sailor Steve]

Some people even think soaps are REAL!!!
I remember an incident long ago here in the US. The stars of a certain soap opera were doing an autograph signing, when the actress who played a particularly nasty character was approached by a fan who started demanding to know why she was so mean to the fan's favorite characters. It took more than a bit of "I'm not her! I just play her on television!" to get the woman calmed down.

[Nippelspanner]

http://pyxis.homestead.com/Sailor_Steve_Predicts.jpg
What in seven Hells!? :haha:

I remember an incident long ago here in the US. The stars of a certain soap opera were doing an autograph signing, when the actress who played a particularly nasty character was approached by a fan who started demanding to know why she was so mean to the fan's favorite characters. It took more than a bit of "I'm not her! I just play her on television!" to get the woman calmed down.
The guy who played Darth Maul in Star Wars Episode I, Ray Park, was attacked by some idiots in a bar because "he killed Qui-Gon!".

The world is a weird place :D

[Sailor Steve]

The guy who played Darth Maul in Star Wars Episode I, Ray Park, was attacked by some idiots in a bar because "he killed Qui-Gon!".
How did they recognize him?

You reminded me of yet another similar story. I have a copy of the 1939 movie Frank and Jesse James, which stared Henry Fonda and Tyrone Power in the title roles, and featured John Carradine as Robert Ford. The booklet quotes Carradine as saying that at the premier he was confronted by a young boy who asked if he killed Jesse. Carradine said that when he replied "Yes" the kid kicked him on the shin and ran away.

[Nippelspanner]

How did they recognize him?
Not sure, they may have talked to him or something.
Then you have 'making of's' who often show actors without any make up/costume.

Carradine said that when he replied "Yes" the kid kicked him on the shin and ran away.
Well deserved. :haha:

[u crank]

The world is a weird place :D

The world is as nature intends it. The world is populated by a lot of weird people. :O:

[Aktungbby]

What in seven Hells!? :haha:



The world is a weird place :DPrecisely: according to the Bard

The world is as nature intends it. The world is populated by a lot of weird people. :O:
:har:
All the world's a stage,

And all the men and women merely players;
They have their exits and their entrances,
And one man in his time plays many parts,
His acts being seven ages.... Last scene of all,
That (last hell) ends this strange eventful history,
Is second childishness and mere oblivion,
Sans teeth, sans eyes, sans taste, sans everything:shifty: :nope: :dead:

[AngusJS]

Total BS. There is no possible way stars and planets that are so far away, they are just points of light only visible at night, could have any effect on human behavior.

Imagine just how complex life is - how many millions of factors, large and small, must be taken into account to even attempt to predict someone's future. Astrologers can't possibly predict anything.

Imagine all the factors that come together to mold one's personality - how can just knowing when someone is born allow you to describe their personality? And which personality - the "personality" they have at birth? Adolescence? Adulthood? And regardless, your personality is always in flux, because you're never the same person you were yesterday.

And of course astrology has been debunked experimentally time and again.

[mapuc]

Total BS. There is no possible way stars and planets that are so far away, they are just points of light only visible at night, could have any effect on human behavior.

Imagine just how complex life is - how many millions of factors, large and small, must be taken into account to even attempt to predict someone's future. Astrologers can't possibly predict anything.

Imagine all the factors that come together to mold one's personality - how can just knowing when someone is born allow you to describe their personality? And which personality - the "personality" they have at birth? Adolescence? Adulthood? And regardless, your personality is always in flux, because you're never the same person you were yesterday.

And of course astrology has been debunked experimentally time and again.

I read in a book a person saying to another person. "Let me get this right, Pluto had to do with a persons IQ. Does this mean that before Pluto was discovered, we the humans were..."(The word which was written, are not allowed here at Subsim)

Markus

[Red Devil]

I read in a book a person saying to another person. "Let me get this right, Pluto had to do with a persons IQ. Does this mean that before Pluto was discovered, we the humans were..."(The word which was written, are not allowed here at Subsim)

Markus

exactly!!

[Wolferz]

Numerology.

And then ...
Scientology.

Anything to get those special Mormon knickers in a twist.:up:

[Sailor Steve]

Anything to get those special Mormon knickers in a twist.:up:
:rotfl2: :yep:

Way back in the '70s I saw a bumper sticker that said "Welcome to Utah! If you think our liquor laws are funny, wait 'til you see our underwear!"

[Bilge_Rat]

burn the witch...

people dropped out of organised religion, but replaced it with Astrology instead...go figure...:arrgh!:

[Pisces]

Clearly by the amount of ridicule in this thread I can safely say that n̶̶̶o̶̶̶n̶̶̶e̶̶̶ ̶ ̶o̶f̶ ̶y̶o̶u̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶ most of you don't know of what you speak or how an astrologer comes to their findings.

[EDIT]Judging by the poll results I was guilty of generalizing. Apologies.


Have you tried to learn and do it yourself (sincerely!!!!)?

Have you tried to understand how an astrological chart is made?

Have you tried to understand how planetary/sun/moon positioning are translated to words.

Have you figured out it is not about the stationary distant specs of light in the sky, but it is actually about the wandering ones near by? Which includes the single near star, and our moon.

Have you figured out that it is about the angular (relative) positioning along the orbit of the sun-earth system, and so the relative placing in the flow of the seasons? Not the placement between the arbitrary grouping of the stars.

If you ever did get a reading of your character by a astrologer, did you supply him/her your true date, time and location of birth details? Or are you only judging based on telling your sun-sign. Then it wasn't YOU that he/she was explaining.

If you learned what it takes to make a astrological statement, how much of your '6th sense' did you really need? Or was it more of a matter of mixing symbolical meanings according to a structured system.

With that out of the way,...

I'm not happy with the last poll-option. I do not feel happy with considering myself being 'a believer'. I am rational and scientific enough to be inclined to say that I cannot explain how it works. Gravity doesn't make sense, or even other far weaker field theories known to physics. But hey, we didn't know what made that apple fall from the tree some 5 centuries ago either. So what do we know now! Assuming we now know everything about the universe is being ignorant.

My experience of the last (about) 25 years, where I gave it the benefit of doubt and not the ease of ridicule or ignorance, showed me that the positions of planets/sun/moon... even the positioning of the meridian and rising angle ... at the time of my birth can time and explain my life events with sometimes uncanny precision. In time as well as meaning. This being important life phases, yearly developments from exact sun return, and even timing of remarkable moments in daily experiences as both real planets/sun/moon and birth positions pass through the meridian and rising/setting angles. And I'm not even talking yet about the attractions/detractions felt between people showing in their planetary/sun/moon positions. The trouble with the latter is that for some people you often don't know their birth details to check.

Some will come with proof that astrology doesn't exist because it cannot be proven by science or statistical means. I absolutely agree that it cannot be proven. Unfortunately this seems to be the nature of the beast. Each one of us has a unique pattern of planetary/sun/moon positions, with an even more unique placement between the angles of the horizon. It is the combination or mix of these multitude of influences that form the unique ways in which we are all very different (even if born on the same day, or in same town), and how this results in the multitude of different experiences in our lives. It is hard to find statistical significance among this enormous amount of noise. I wish it was un-true, but astrology is vague by nature. It will never be a precise science.

Besides, that (scientific) approach is missing out on halve of our perception of reality, imho. It favours the objective perception and common experiences, yet it ignores the personal or subjective meaning. So thereby it destroys it's own evidence to the contrary. You can't neglect 'meaning'. If you do that, then you'll never get to that Holy Grail called a theory of Everything.

I consider Astrology to be a method of learning the weather report of life. What can I expect in the near future? Or what fell upon my head some years ago and made me weep from tears of anguish or joy? At least in the symbolical sense, not a precise specific concrete meaning. When it comes, you'll start to recognise it from the general meaning. As it not be a very clearly defined predictable event. It might also come as an internal experience, known only to you.

Mostly you won't know when exactly the next rain cloud drops on your head either, even with hundred of meteorological reports. (unless you have a personal weather radar... doubt it) And it might still vanish or appear out of thin air on occasion. So not very different from astrological predictions.

TL/DR: Less ridicule by the gut and show of ignorance. Learn, and take the time to make itself show it's validity. Not your own assumptions!

[Wolferz]

Why so serious?
We here at :subsim: scoff at everything with equal abandon.

Personally, I trust my sixth sense more than I do astrology. It's never failed me unless I ignored it. Astrology not so much.
Opening your minds eye with psychedelics also aids in gaining a better awareness of the universe around us.:03::o

[mapuc]

@ Pisces

As I wrote in a former post I had an aunt who was really into this Astrology-
She made her own "forecast"

Remember once when I was visiting my cousin and I told him and his mom that I was about to start on course

About two days later she invited my to afternoon coffee and there she showed me some papers with lots of drawings-something about 12 houses and the 12 signs. She had made a "forecast" about the course I was about to start-if it would be a success or not.

Every time something was about to happen in the family she made a "forecast"- E.g married-after birth, new house, etc etc.

It was somehow her that made me go reading about this thing.

If people want to believe then they shall have the freedom to believe.

Markus

[Red Devil]

Look Pisces, both of you. It is impossible to find a persons future in a star that is several billion light years away, so far away it cannot see our sun as anothing but a dim point of light. You are also seeing these cstars as they were in the distnat past, light tavels so slowly in the past. You cannot see any point of light in the sky that is in the future. The future is the undiscovered country, where have I heard that before I wonder. I can change the future by simply walking out of the door tonight and not coming back. I can sell my car, which I have no intention of doing and gettin' a wreck and crashing. The future has not happened, nor will it until I finish typing, oh and see, nothing changed whist I was typing.

Believe what you will but its like religion, a stupid myth. :sunny:

[mapuc]

Look Pisces, both of you. It is impossible to find a persons future in a star that is several billion light years away, so far away it cannot see our sun as anothing but a dim point of light. You are also seeing these cstars as they were in the distnat past, light tavels so slowly in the past. You cannot see any point of light in the sky that is in the future. The future is the undiscovered country, where have I heard that before I wonder. I can change the future by simply walking out of the door tonight and not coming back. I can sell my car, which I have no intention of doing and gettin' a wreck and crashing. The future has not happened, nor will it until I finish typing, oh and see, nothing changed whist I was typing.

Believe what you will but its like religion, a stupid myth. :sunny:

I for once do not believe in this - I just say if a person believe in astrology-this person should have the freedom to do so.

Markus

[Red Devil]

Agreed, the same as religion, but dont foist it on me. BUT, I still say its impossible to tell the future from stars billions of years away who have never heard of Earth, or humans. This began with fake shamen trying to justify their existence, just as people became priests for power and laziness.. By the laws of averages a person can read their 'horoscope' written by a fake in a newspaper, and get paid for it, and in 365 horoscopes, 6 might be true. And people say wow! its true, forgetting about the 359 wrong ones.

I read my tea leaves tonight, it said that Manchester United FC will finish in the top 3 next season :rotfl2: The fact that they probablly will is overlooked in the astrological scheme of things. If its so good, give me next weeks lottery numbers BEFORE they are drawn. MY crystal ball tells me: 1.5.10.13.15.25 and 32

[Pisces]

Look Pisces, both of you. It is impossible to find a persons future in a star that is several billion light years away, so far away it cannot see our sun as anothing but a dim point of light. You are also seeing these cstars as they were in the distnat past, light tavels so slowly in the past. You cannot see any point of light in the sky that is in the future.Again, it's not about those distant stars light years away. It's much closer to home. The motions within our solar system, compared to a earth based reference systems: the ecliptic/zodiac (the sun/earth orbit) and the tilted equatorial plane. Know of what you speak before you judge.


The future is the undiscovered country, where have I heard that before I wonder. I can change the future by simply walking out of the door tonight and not coming back.True in essence, but what does walking away solve?

I can sell my car, which I have no intention of doing and gettin' a wreck and crashing.Astrology doesn't suggest it is YOUR car. At best it can indicate that it is A car, or rather that it has to do with traffic in general. Other astrological elements in the chart would need to be there to suggest that it involves your property. And then it might still turn out to involve your finances, possibly in a good or bad way depending on other factors present.

The future has not happened, nor will it until I finish typing, oh and see, nothing changed whist I was typing.Well, you wrote something, didn't you? You got your opinion published! There could be planetary positions in the zodiac and horizon suggesting that right then. But we won't know until we try it. And maybe it wasn't supposed to have a great impact on the rest of your life. Not everything does.

Believe what you will but its like religion, a stupid myth. :sunny:Same goes for atheism. Disbelieve what you will. I rather tend to agnosticism, I cannot be sure. But that doesn't prevent me from entertaining myself with it.