View Full Version : Homo-marriage ruling just issued by SCOTUS
Torvald Von Mansee
06-26-15, 09:04 AM
Tis on CNN right now.
The gay activists on the TV seem happy.
Um, isn't "homo" technically a defamatory slur? :hmmm:
Betonov
06-26-15, 09:23 AM
Not really. Just a shortening.
Some may be ofended, but those are usually the: we want priviliges, not just rights group, so who cares.
I dunno, I've heard both ways, thus wondering. I don't think any of my gay friends would appreciate being called that, though, in the same way black people probably wouldn't appreciate being called a "negro" (which, hey, is just Spanish for "black" anyway, right?)
More to the point, I think it's more than just gay activists who should be happy for a bit of sanity in the country and for taking a dumb political non-issue off the table.
More to the point, I think it's more than just gay activists who should be happy for a bit of sanity in the country and for taking a dumb political non-issue off the table.
Amen, it's good to have some good news on the table. Well done SCOTUS for a sensible ruling. :yep:
Betonov
06-26-15, 09:36 AM
My lesbian friend never resented when I called her homo.
Depends on the person really.
And I shall take the chance to congratulate the USA for making a step forward. Everyone should suffer in marriage. :woot:
And sentiment aside, if you read the actual text of the ruling ( http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf ), there is an important legal dimension to the opinion on Oberfeld v. Hodges that I think is well-argued and only makes sense in the context of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The final paragraph of the opinion, making its rounds on social media, is as follows:
No union is more profound than marriage, for it embodies the highest ideals of love, fidelity, devotion, sacrifice, and family. In forming a marital union, two people become something greater than once they were. As some of the petitioners in these cases demonstrate, marriage embodies a love that may endure even past death. It would misunderstand these men and women to say they disrespect the idea of marriage. Their plea is that they do respect it, respect it so deeply that they seek to find its fulfillment for themselves. Their hope is not to be condemned to live in loneliness, excluded from one of civilization’s oldest institutions. They ask for equal dignity in the eyes of the law. The Constitution grants them that right. The judgment of the Court of Appeals for the Sixth Circuit is reversed.
It is so ordered.
Emphasis mine. Again, setting sentiment and activism aside, I am not sure there's any constitutional grounds for withholding those rights. And my view is that even if you're not particularly into gay people's own interests, this does help reinforce everyone's equal access to legal aspects of marriage (which affects things like custody and visitation rights, inheritance, taxes, insurance, etc.) which are significant. On the religious side, well, religious organizations have their own right to work out their stance, whatever it is. But I think the legal side here is important to keep level. The opinion outlines that as well:
Finally, it must be emphasized that religions, and those who adhere to religious doctrines, may continue to advocate with utmost, sincere conviction that, by divine precepts, same-sex marriage should not be condoned. The First Amendment ensures that religious organizations and persons are given proper protection as they seek to teach the principles that are so fulfilling and so central to their lives and faiths, and to their own deep aspirations to continue the family structure they have long revered. The same is true of those who oppose same-sex marriage for other reasons. In turn, those who believe allowing same sex marriage is proper or indeed essential, whether as a matter of religious conviction or secular belief, may engage those who disagree with their view in an open and searching debate. The Constitution, however, does not permit the State to bar same-sex couples from marriage on the same terms as accorded to couples of the opposite sex.
Of course, not everyone agrees. For example, Justice Roberts, dissenting, has this to say in his conclusion:
If you are among the many Americans—of whatever sexual orientation—who favor expanding same-sex marriage, by all means celebrate today’s decision. Celebrate
the achievement of a desired goal. Celebrate the opportunity for a new expression of commitment to a partner. Celebrate the availability of new benefits. But do not celebrate the Constitution. It had nothing to do with it.
I respectfully dissent.
Jimbuna
06-26-15, 10:31 AM
I agree with the ruling but my understanding is that it was 5-4 a close thing.
I agree with the ruling but my understanding is that it was 5-4 a close thing.
9 people, 3 women and 6 men.
2 men for, 3 women for
4 men against, 0 women against.
Take from that what you will.
Aktungbby
06-26-15, 10:45 AM
My lesbian friend never resented when I called her homo.
Depends on the person really.
Probably as it was a sapient observation!:O:
Onkel Neal
06-26-15, 10:54 AM
Um, isn't "homo" technically a defamatory slur? :hmmm:
Isn't everything? :O:
Isn't everything? :O:
You General Topics. :O:
Then how come we're not allowed to say **** or **** on the forums? :P
Betonov
06-26-15, 11:16 AM
Oh my god, I wish I was a priest in the US right now.
Since religion is still free to chose whether they marry same sex couple in church, a lot of them will refuse.
And I'd make millions by marrying gays.
I can see it now:
Beton church of the blessed immigrant from the Balkans, we marry you, I'll personally talk to God later about it. We accept cash or check.
Beton church of the blessed immigrant from the Balkans, we marry you, I'll personally talk to God later about it. We accept cash or check.
Go to Vegas, dress as Elvis and you're sorted.
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02654/Nick-Allen-wedding_2654985b.jpg
Betonov
06-26-15, 11:41 AM
Too much comeptition in Vegas,
everywhere else it's a sellers market :woot:
Aktungbby
06-26-15, 12:02 PM
Go to Vegas, dress as Elvis and you're sorted.
Lacock church will do as nicely:har: It's in nearby Wiltshire:up: no passport required! https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/The_Church_of_St_Cyriac.tif/lossy-page1-1024px-The_Church_of_St_Cyriac.tif.jpg
AngusJS
06-26-15, 12:04 PM
Today is a good day. :woot:
NeonSamurai
06-26-15, 12:38 PM
Not really. Just a shortening.
Some may be ofended, but those are usually the: we want priviliges, not just rights group, so who cares.
Actually it is generally considered offensive and has a long history of being used as a derogatory slur in the English language. Also most gay/lesbian/bisexual/transsexual/whatever people generally just want the same rights and privileges that heterosexual people have. This doesnt mean that there are not plenty of nutcases within LGBT community, but the same can be said for any grouping of humans.
nikimcbee
06-26-15, 12:55 PM
Oh my god, I wish I was a priest in the US right now.
Since religion is still free to chose whether they marry same sex couple in church, a lot of them will refuse.
And I'd make millions by marrying gays.
I can see it now:
Beton church of the blessed immigrant from the Balkans, we marry you, I'll personally talk to God later about it. We accept cash or check.
Wish granted. poof!
http://only-romania.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/priest_blesses_everything_1.jpg
Father Betonov blesses the wheels.
Should we lend this Pastor a lighter and some gasoline ?
http://www.hngn.com/articles/103690/20150624/texas-pastor-will-set-himself-fire-protest-over-gay-marriage.htm
However, a former Baptist pastor from Texas, who is also against same-sex marriage, has taken it one step further - and beyond - by declaring that he will set himself on fire if the Supreme Court rules in favor of marriage equality.
Markus
Regarding the legal aspects of this decision and a few of the other more recent decisions, one thread has run through all: the Constitution, as it now stands does allow for this decision and the others. If the Right really wants to change or preserve certain aspects of what they view as correct, they should then push to change the Constitution. However, they know they stand very, very little chance of ever getting a sufficient number of votes in the House or Senate to pass legislation to put those amendments to the Constitution before the states for ratification, much less getting three-fourths of the states to approve their ratification. So, they revert to filing endless lawsuits in a Quixotic quest to enforce their narrow 'moralities' on the larger population, in general. The really said thing for them is, in pursuing their lawsuits, the inevitable decisions only serve to further diminish any sway they might have and further push away their goals...
<O>
Should we lend this Pastor a lighter and some gasoline ?
http://www.hngn.com/articles/103690/20150624/texas-pastor-will-set-himself-fire-protest-over-gay-marriage.htm
Markus
Never gonna happen; the old blusterer will probably claim he was misquoted by the liberal, mainstream media and then wait for his Fox News job offer...
<O>
Betonov
06-26-15, 02:07 PM
Actually it is generally considered offensive and has a long history of being used as a derogatory slur in the English language.
Exactly.
It does not have the same ''bite'' in Slovene
Wolferz
06-26-15, 02:11 PM
Ho·mo (hō′mō) n. 1. A genus of primates that includes modern humans (Homo sapiens) and several extinct species. 2. Used in combination with mock Latin adjectives
Technically, we're all homos.:shifty:
Ho·mo (hō′mō) n. 1. A genus of primates that includes modern humans (Homo sapiens) and several extinct species. 2. Used in combination with mock Latin adjectives
Technically, we're all homos.:shifty:
Really? I thought we are all...Devo!!:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JdS-sSKsBc
BTW, it's hard to believe it's been almost 40 years since this song was released...
<O>
Betonov
06-26-15, 02:30 PM
So it means if all humans are homo, and you have an attraction to a human you're a homosexual.
And if you're not a homosexual it means you fancy sheep :haha:
em2nought
06-26-15, 02:42 PM
Good, one less shoal for the "right" to go smashing their ships headlong into. :woot:
Now if we could just get them to leave religion out of everything, and get back to being fiscal conservatives first and foremost.:/\\!!
Well, by the same token we're all literally apes, but that doesn't make referring to black people as "apes" anything except incredibly racist. Context and history of usage does matter! Likewise, we all perform certain bodily functions, but we do seem to have a written rule here about not referring to people as (bodily function)ers here on the forum, even if it's pretty much accurate.
Sometimes it's okay to ask about the use of a term. I've only ever heard it used disparagingly in English before.
Van Halen nailed it years ago
We're just humans, humans being. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyb8pMsyPFw)
Biggles
06-26-15, 07:14 PM
Took you long enough! Good on you USA! :up:
Whatever floats your boat, each to their own i say :up:
Mr Quatro
06-26-15, 08:33 PM
Does this Supreme Court ruling for same sex marriage include inmates in local, county, state and Federal prisons?
Won't that be cute two men allowed to marry and given a cell together for the honeymoon. :o
Torplexed
06-26-15, 08:35 PM
Heh-heh. Best thought-out editorial cartoon of the day. :up:
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m294/Armitage72/CIcKnr6WgAAMj7N_zpstqif7v7s.jpg
Heh-heh. Best thought-out editorial cartoon of the day. :up:
Saw that on twitter and thought it was great. :yeah:
Platapus
06-27-15, 06:29 AM
We could solve this issue by handling marriage the way they do it in Germany.
Everyone who gets married goes through a civil ceremony. This establishes the legal state of marriage with the state
Then, if the couple and the church agree, the couple goes through a separate ceremony at the church. This establishes the spiritual/religious state of marriage.
No couple is forced to do the second and no church is forced to do the same thing.
The problem we have her in the US is that for far too long both the civil (state) and spiritual marriage ceremonies have been combined.
Perhaps what we need is a separation between church and state? :hmmm:
No couple should be denied marriage because of their sexual orientation
No church should be forced to perform marriage if it conflicts with their dogma.
Both sides win. :up:
http://i.imgur.com/L35kccv.jpg
em2nought
06-27-15, 08:30 AM
I'm not so sure I want the Stars and Stripes flying over this country anymore, maybe we should just retire it and switch to a combo rainbow/Bob Marley flag. Let's spread the love some more. :haha:
Oh, and no games on Apple with the Stars and Stripes. :har:
Sailor Steve
06-27-15, 08:33 AM
^ ^ ^
Before I respond to that, I have one question: Are you serious?
Are you serious?
Apple did just ban the game Gettysburg from their ITunes store because it uses Confederate flags to mark the rebel units.
I'm a New England Yankee through and through but to me that's just another reason not to own anything made by Apple.
http://i.imgur.com/caxuez8.jpg
Apple did just ban the game Gettysburg from their ITunes store because it uses Confederate flags to mark the rebel units.
And now it's back up again. Unchanged.
em2nought
06-27-15, 09:27 AM
^ ^ ^
Before I respond to that, I have one question: Are you serious?
Yeah, I think so. When the last WWII vet dies lets retire it with them. The next generation is going to be relentlessly telling us about everything evil that happened under the Stars and Stripes if we don't. Let's retire it at it's finest moment atop Mt. Suribachi.
Maybe the new flag could be the color of poo. :D
Catfish
06-27-15, 09:37 AM
Of course you all know WHY the confederate flag has been banned for the time being, and not only by Apple?
"The catalyst for change came in the form of 21-year-old Dylann Roof, a hideous creature determined to re-start the Civil War by murdering black people in their place of worship."
"The Confederate flag has the same meaning for black Americans as Nazi memorabilia like the Swastika in Germany ...."
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3135985/PIERS-MORGAN-Good-riddance-Confederate-Flag-wasn-t-piece-cloth-killed-nine-people-Charleston-gun.html#ixzz3eH0dCYmH
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/06/22/politics/confederate-flag-walmart-south-carolina/
http://www.itv.com/news/story/2015-06-24/google-joins-other-major-retailers-in-banning-confederate-flag-goods/
http://www.wired.com/2015/06/etsy-bans-confederate-flags/
http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/8-huge-retailers-and-counting-ban-sale-confederate-flag
It has been even banned from the General Lee:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3138162/Now-General-Lee-toy-cars-Dukes-Hazzard-banned-having-iconic-Confederate-flag-roofs.html
But then we all know that a flag did not kill the black people.. a man with a gun did.
Sailor Steve
06-27-15, 09:45 AM
Yeah, I think so. When the last WWII vet dies lets retire it with them. The next generation is going to be relentlessly telling us about everything evil that happened under the Stars and Stripes if we don't. Let's retire it at it's finest moment atop Mt. Suribachi.
Maybe the new flag could be the color of poo. :D
Sorry, I was thinking you were talking about retiring the flag because of the Supreme Court ruling. My mistake. :sunny:
Betonov
06-27-15, 09:46 AM
The stars and bars should stay where they are, as long as that is not an official building.
If I'll be touristing the south of Mason Dixon line and I'll want some southern food I'm not visiting a restaurant without the Stars and Bars.
And for some strange reason I have a Stars and Bars somewhere in my room :doh:
http://i.imgur.com/1fhicNk.jpg
Aktungbby
06-27-15, 12:25 PM
The stars and bars should stay where they are, as long as that is not an official building.
If I'll be touristing the south of Mason Dixon line and I'll want some southern food I'm not visiting a restaurant without the Stars and Bars.
And for some strange reason I have a Stars and Bars somewhere in my room :doh:
Forget Mason Dixon! head for Santa Barbara CA and dine pejoratively :D The original and only one left: I couldn't believe it! http://www.thxforvisiting.us/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/14_0618_sam3-300x262.pngSAMBOS on the Beach, Santa Barbara: logo slightly updated from the originalhttp://cdn.thedailybeast.com/content/dailybeast/articles/2014/06/30/pancakes-and-pickaninnies-the-saga-of-sambo-s-the-racist-restaurant-chain-america-once-loved/jcr:content/image.crop.800.500.jpg/1404164464923.cached.jpgPS: I checked with a few of my African American buddies-of a certain age: and, one by one...they all admitted to dining at one time or another at Sambos too; the food was good and most became Jolly Tiger, Season's Friendly Eating, or were bought by Denny's Restaurant chain. The owner at one point owned the New Orleans Jazz before moving the team to Utah and selling it! Only in sunny, politically correct California I tell ya: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/pancakes-and-pickaninnies-the-saga-of-sambo-s-the-racist-restaurant-chain-america-once-loved.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/pancakes-and-pickaninnies-the-saga-of-sambo-s-the-racist-restaurant-chain-america-once-loved.html)
And now it's back up again. Unchanged.
How'd you like to be the fly on the wall of that management meeting? :)
How'd you like to be the fly on the wall of that management meeting? :)
Certainly seeing the transcript of the long telephone calls that they had to put through to Apple would be entertaining.
Daft, but then again I think the same thing about Germanys censorship laws, a flag is a flag, by making something forbidden you give it greater power and fascination. Forbidden fruit and all that. :dead:
Wolferz
06-27-15, 03:07 PM
Does this Supreme Court ruling for same sex marriage include inmates in local, county, state and Federal prisons?
Won't that be cute two men allowed to marry and given a cell together for the honeymoon. :o
It won't do them any good in the federal prisons.
Conjugal visits aren't allowed. They'll just do what they've always done...
Do it between the sheets in the laundry room.:O:
em2nought
06-27-15, 03:14 PM
by making something forbidden you give it greater power and fascination. Forbidden fruit and all that. :dead:
Hear that ladies, em2nought is forbidden fruit so do what you must. :woot:
Forget Mason Dixon! head for Santa Barbara CA and dine pejoratively :D The original and only one left: I couldn't believe it! SAMBOS on the Beach, Santa Barbara: logo slightly updated from the originalPS: I checked with a few of my African American buddies-of a certain age: and, one by one...they all admitted to dining at one time or another at Sambos too; the food was good and most became Jolly Tiger, Season's Friendly Eating, or were bought by Denny's Restaurant chain. The owner at one point owned the New Orleans Jazz before moving the team to Utah and selling it! Only in sunny, politically correct California I tell ya:
It is interesting to note the Sambo's chain was founded and grown in "politically correct California" but, as noted in the article, the initial umbrage originated outside of California. Does this mean the areas noted in the article as having a problem, rather than California (who 'shrugged it off') are really the Lefty, politically correct bogeymen out to destroy our nation? One bad thing about a broad brush: it tends to cover a lot, but not very well...
<O>
Wolferz
06-27-15, 03:49 PM
It is interesting to note the Sambo's chain was founded and grown in "politically correct California" but, as noted in the article, the initial umbrage originated outside of California. Does this mean the areas noted in the article as having a problem, rather than California (who 'shrugged it off') are really the Lefty, politically correct bogeymen out to destroy our nation? One bad thing about a broad brush: it tends to cover a lot, but not very well...
<O>
Broad brushes tend to squirm when you start dipping them in paint. Stick with horse hair.:03::O:
Torplexed
06-27-15, 05:24 PM
the food was good and most became Jolly Tiger, Season's Friendly Eating, or were bought by Denny's Restaurant chain. The owner at one point owned the New Orleans Jazz before moving the team to Utah and selling it! Only in sunny, politically correct California I tell ya: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/pancakes-and-pickaninnies-the-saga-of-sambo-s-the-racist-restaurant-chain-america-once-loved.html (http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/06/30/pancakes-and-pickaninnies-the-saga-of-sambo-s-the-racist-restaurant-chain-america-once-loved.html)
When I was a kid I remember the Sambo's restaurant in my area got bought out by a large gasoline consortium for a fueling station.
As a child I could only assume the worst. :wah:
http://pyxis.homestead.com/Sambos_demise.jpg
Cybermat47
06-27-15, 05:55 PM
Took 'me long enough :)
I wonder what Pat Robertson thinks :har:
Onkel Neal
06-27-15, 07:03 PM
When I was a kid I remember the Sambo's restaurant in my area got bought out by a large gasoline consortium for a fueling station.
As a child I could only assume the worst. :wah:
http://pyxis.homestead.com/Sambos_demise.jpg
Dang, he doesn't even look guilty. :arrgh!:
The stars and bars should stay where they are, as long as that is not an official building.
If I'll be touristing the south of Mason Dixon line and I'll want some southern food I'm not visiting a restaurant without the Stars and Bars. ...
That kind of interesting about the 'Southern food'; a lot of what is considered 'Southern food' today has it origins in food eaten by African slaves and later adopted/adapted by whites after the Civil War when a lot of the whites found themselves in economic and social straits not much better than the freed slaves. Many of the whites had to subsist on a diet derived from the same range of ingredients used for quite a long time by the slaves. So, if you really wanted to eat down home southern food, you'd probably have to go to places serving some sort of soul food, places I would suspect would not display the Stars and Bars...
<O>
Betonov
06-28-15, 01:43 AM
I see. I was making a parallel to the SLovene movement to ban the Yugoslav flag and ususally the best Balkan food is found in places flying the red star tricolor
Torplexed
06-28-15, 05:55 AM
I see. I was making a parallel to the SLovene movement to ban the Yugoslav flag and ususally the best Balkan food is found in places flying the red star tricolor
What a coincidence. The places with the best food in the U.S. are named for the guy who made that flag famous! bratstvo i jedinstvo, brother. :D
https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/530049191834173440/UEcFwH5__400x400.jpeg http://www.lataco.com/wp-content/uploads/titos11.jpg
http://www.titosburritos.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/copy-logo1.png http://www.titospizzaspringhill.com/image/52447318.png
Betonov
06-28-15, 06:11 AM
Čuvajte bratstvo i jedinstvo kao zenico oka svog :)
Tito was popular. He really knew how to play the east and the west to work for him. That's why he's disliked today, no politician can reach his level today.
But I'm guessing those restaurants are named after a latino. Tito is a common name IIRC.
Torplexed
06-28-15, 06:21 AM
But I'm guessing those restaurants are named after a latino. Tito is a common name IIRC.
Yeah, that's probably the case. Oh well, at least now I know where to dine in the former Yugoslavia. :)
http://cdn1.pri.org/sites/default/files/styles/original_image/public/Waitresses.jpg?itok=9VF75Voo
vBulletin® v3.8.11, Copyright ©2000-2025, vBulletin Solutions Inc.