Remake of Das Boot 2018

[fenian]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/das-boot-remake-planned-805038?utm_source=facebook

Bavaria boss Christian Franckenstein told German trade magazine Blickpunkt Film that Das Boot is one of several properties from its rights library the company is looking to relaunch.

Based on the novel by Lothar-Gunther Buchheim, who was a war reporter stationed on an U-Boat during WWII, Das Boot is one of the most successful German films of all time. The film was nominated for six Oscars and launched Petersen's Hollywood career.

[flag4]

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/jun/25/das-boot-german-studio-remake-underwater-thriller-wolfgang-peterson

[bstanko6]

I'm torn... I love Das boot. It's a classic. Yet with today's tech it may be a great remake!

[Aktungbby]

Ahem! already posted by Fenian :D http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2324163#post2324163 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=2324163#post2324163)

[Cybermat47]

Well, we either get an even better adaptation of the novel, or we get a movie to ignore, and we'll still have the original. I have no problems at all with this :)

[Sailor Steve]

Threads merged and moved to proper forum.




Oh, and my own opinion: I love Das Boot, but I did have my complaints. This could be better. It could also be a lot worse.

Fingers crossed.

[Trool323]

This is great. I wish they would also make some new WWII pacific side movies about the silent service. One can wish at least.

[Onkel Neal]

I'm torn... I love Das boot. It's a classic. Yet with today's tech it may be a great remake!

Same here. I really cannot see how they can match the original, though.

This is great. I wish they would also make some new WWII pacific side movies about the silent service. One can wish at least.

Yes, there are a number of compelling Silent Service stories that would make fantastic films, if they resisted the urge to Hollywood them up too much.

[Subnuts]

I don't really see the point of a remake. Except for a few dated special effects shots, and a couple points where the music is a little too synth-heavy, Das Boot holds up remarkably well. I can't imagine what good, in the words of one Mr. Harry S. Plinkett, HYPERCHARGING and ELECTRIFYING it for a modern audience would do. The original works because it's slow, heavy, claustrophobic, brooding, and so forth...hardly attributes that land butts in theater seats these days.

[Jimbuna]

I doubt they can outdo the original but if that were to be the case then I'd certainly like to see it.

[u crank]

I don't really see the point of a remake. Except for a few dated special effects shots, and a couple points where the music is a little too synth-heavy, Das Boot holds up remarkably well. I can't imagine what good, in the words of one Mr. Harry S. Plinkett, HYPERCHARGING and ELECTRIFYING it for a modern audience would do. The original works because it's slow, heavy, claustrophobic, brooding, and so forth...hardly attributes that land butts in theater seats these days.

I would have to agree here. If the remake were better than the original, in SubSimmers view point, it would probably be a commercial flop. It may get critical acclaim for acting, writing etc. but it would still be avoided by todays movie going crowd. On the other hand if they make a 'Hollywood' version, complete with high profile actors it would be another 'U 571' with a heavy dose of 'Pearl Harbor' tossed in. Yikes. :O:

[fitzcarraldo]

I´m waiting (for years) a new good film about U boats or Fleet Boats based in real history:

For U boats (and Kriegsmarine in general), I want a remake of "Sharks and little fish". Or a film about the capture of U505-in Chicago they have the real sub for a film.....

For Fleet Boats in PTO: a film about Mush Morton. Or Fluckey. Or Burlingame on the Silversides (also there is the real sub for the film).

But another "Das Boot"?

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

[gmccabe01]

Anyone here honestly think the long times between action (film 6hrs long of what really happened) would suit to days audience ?
They want an action packed blockbuster (loads of $$$) and not a story to remember all those brave men on both sides that fought in the Atlantic.
I say make a new sub movie and leave Das Boot alone, don't mess with an Epic

[nikimcbee]

Why? Does no one have any creativity anymore?

I´m waiting (for years) a new good film about U boats or Fleet Boats based in real history:

For U boats (and Kriegsmarine in general), I want a remake of "Sharks and little fish". Or a film about the capture of U505-in Chicago they have the real sub for a film.....

For Fleet Boats in PTO: a film about Mush Morton. Or Fluckey. Or Burlingame on the Silversides (also there is the real sub for the film).

But another "Das Boot"?

Best regards.

Fitzcarraldo :salute:

This.:/\\k:

There are plenty of great WW2 submarine stories out there w/o a movie telling their story.

Get of yer arse and write a script (movie directors)!
U-505.
U-99's last patrol.
U-123
U-9 (WW1)
U-35(WW1)
USS Wahoo
USS Tang
USS Barb

[Nippelspanner]

I don't really see the point of a remake.
Quick money thanks to abusing a good name and a solid PR campaign, leaving dissapointed fans behind and a movie no one wants to remember.
Mark my words.

:down:

[Trool323]

@Neal I agree. I would love to see a movie about the Wahoo and Richard O'Kane. As for das boot, I don't know what else they could do except make the convoy attack and the depth charge scenes look better perhaps.

[vienna]

A film about the Wahoo would be a bit problematic given the incident about the machine-gunning of survivors during one of the Wahoo's missions. There is still a lot of controversy over the whole incident and it appears some, if not all, of the victims may have been Allied POWs. It was that incident that is reputed to have led to the Allies, at US instigation, to not prosecute Doenitz or other U-boat personnel for war crimes for alleged similar incidents during WWII. The US was keenly aware defense counsel for the accused German defendants would bring up the Wahoo incident at trial, something the US was not very interested in being debated in a public international forum...


<O>

[bstanko6]

Anyone here honestly think the long times between action (film 6hrs long of what really happened) would suit to days audience ?
They want an action packed blockbuster (loads of $$$) and not a story to remember all those brave men on both sides that fought in the Atlantic.
I say make a new sub movie and leave Das Boot alone, don't mess with an Epic

I agree with you, about attention span, but this kind of genre has not been introduced in few years. It was the hunt for red October that made me join the U.S. Navy! So maybe the kids today will like it!

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

Honestly I don't really see the point of remaking a great film like Das Boot, there's plenty of other war stories that could and should be made in movies (so long as the director isn't Michael Bay!), the only way I could see a remake of Das Boot having any sort of success would be for it to be a Hollywood style action flick. I also agree with what gmccabe01 said, aside from us sub lovers and people who like anything to deal with WW2 history, the average movie goer wouldn't sit around for six or so hours watching a bunch of guys sweating it out hoping that the next depth charge will be the last thing they ever hear.

[Subnuts]

Eh, maybe the remake will be more Midge-friendly. :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl2:

Didn't think of that! :rock:

[TorpX]

Yeah. :har:

[Theta Sigma]

I don't really see the point of a remake. Except for ...a couple points where the music is a little too synth-heavy...

Truly.

I'd much rather have a new edition of Das Boot rescored versus a new film.

That said, I don't want to hold back any development of a new film about subs. Better too many, even a few bad ones, since the odds are a couple will be good.

[Theta Sigma]

Honestly I don't really see the point of remaking a great film like Das Boot, there's plenty of other war stories that could and should be made in movies (so long as the director isn't Michael Bay!)

You know...and I'm pausing here to really reflect on what I'm about to say...The Last Ship isn't that bad, and I used to equate Bay to Uwe Boll. Provided the reins were tight, he might be actually help to bring a modern (not classic, don't think he's right for that genre) sub film to light.

Then again, I'm not sure where they are taking The Last Ship now, since they kinda blew through most of the novel in season one.

[CCIP]

I'm with Steve on this one - there is certainly actual room for good content in the remake, considering the gaps between the source novel and the film version. Buchheim himself voiced criticism of the film originally, especially what he felt like the more glorified and spectacular elements of it.

The problem of course is that I'm not sure any new movie would actually head away from (rather than towards) those spectacular elements, and then there's of course the shadow left by Das Boot itself - IMO the script of the film might've been different or better, but it's going to be very very hard to do better than the interior camera work and acting in that movie. In those two things, that movie holds as well today as it did 30 years ago. Both of those are not something that today's technology can make better in any meaningful way, and especially if you take Prochnow's performance as Der Alte - that is a hugely intimidating role to live up to.

You could compare this, of course, to something like Stanislaw Lem's novel "Solaris" and its best-known adaptations. Tarkovsky's 1972 adaptation, which was openly disliked by Lem himself (much like Buchheim who did not like Das Boot the film), is widely lauded as a cinema classic and a landmark art film. Soderbergh's 2002 adaptation, starring George Clooney, is technically closer to the content and spirit of Lem's novel - and very competently made - but it ended up totally forgettable, and never got out of the shadow its predecessor. And that's even though it never tried to copy its predecessor, treated source material with respect, and didn't have to deal with any of the technical (not to mention political) limitations that Tarkovsky had to work with. So make of that what you will.

I really suspect that even a well-meant and competent remake of Das Boot will end up just like that.

PS - also, Das Boot was by far the best of Wolfgang Petersen's films, and as a director his Hollywood output has been... underwhelming. In truth, everything he's made since Das Boot has been pure Hollywood cheese (even if it's sometimes fun cheese, as in the case of Air Force One). Even if he is attached to a Das Boot remake, that won't be much reason to celebrate - actually, that'll just make me worry more.

[gmccabe01]

How about a film of the H.M.S. Safari P211.
They could read the book Crash Dive by Arthur P. Dickison.
The view from the ranks instead of an officers for a change

[Aktungbby]

gmccabe01!:Kaleun_Salute:I say make a new sub movie and leave Das Boot alone, don't mess with an Epic Amazing what brings a kaleun back to the surface after a two year silent run! :agree:

[JU_88]

Yeah agree with Cybermat, worse case it will be a movie to just not watch,

My only doubts lie with special effects, these days many film producers are keen to show them off and make them a selling point. But the beauty of Das Boot was that 90% of the film is being stuck in side a sub with not much going on. so you get that feeling of claustrophobia, boredom etc. So that kind of worked well with limiting the crappy special effects from the 80's.
But we will see....

[Dowly]

I dont see any reason why it needs to be remade. :doh:

[BigBANGtheory]

The TV mini series of Das Boot is over 5hrs, the film version its painfully obvious that its runtime has been cut. The whole screenplay hangs together very well I'm not sure you can rush the story or cram it into 2hrs.

Good example was in 2010 when they tried to remake Edge of Darkness from the classic 80's TV mini series. One gets close to highest IMDB ratings of all time whilst the other just adds nothing, it didn't work.

If they are going to do it with Das Boot they somehow need to make the viewer feel part of the crew faster, probably have to ditch the La Rochelle scenes and have you start out on patrol braving the Atlantic weather.

[JU_88]

True, I suppose if you are going to make a U-boat movie it not like its a subject matter that's short on material, no real need to make the same movie twice, plenty of other stories to be told.

[mapuc]

This I know for sure-are 110 % sure

It's an American production, so it's going to women and romantics in the movie and there will be sequels.

It's the American way.

[JU_88]

Maybe they could do a prequel! :)

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll118/v11cu96/stuff/Das%20Coot_zpslb9gfwbb.jpg

[Platapus]

I fear that if Das Boot is SH3/GWX then Bride of Das Boot will be stock SH5.

I can not imagine a reboot of the Boot being anything less then a Special Effects/CGI fiest.

The other posters here bring up the cogent points

1. There are plenty of other Uboat/Fleet Sub stories that could be filmed
2. But since Das Boot is a known entity, the producers will milk off that familiar image instead of taking the chance on another story.

We have to keep in mind that probably over 90% of the movie viewers would ask "what is a wahoo? Never heard of that." Remember that WWII was a very long time ago and most people only have a cursory knowledge of the major events.. if that.

Maybe they could get Jar Jar Abrams to do a remake of Das Boot like he did with Star Trek? In Jar Jar's universe, the Uboat was involved in the Pearl Harbor attack, but at the last moment, decided to fight on the American side. But since the Americans don't know this, the Uboat is hunted by both sides.

Using their Tippy Top Totally Secret "Raupe" drive, the Uboat is able to evade capture and their heroic service to humanity will for ever remain secret... until this movie comes out. :up:

What is sad is that while I am trying to be silly, there was probably a screenwriter working on this as we speak. :rotfl2:

[nikimcbee]

This I know for sure-are 110 % sure

It's an American production, so it's going to women and romantics in the movie and there will be sequels.

It's the American way.


:hmmm::hmmm:
Just for Platapus, a re-make of "Crash Dive?"
:haha:
http://www.tyrone-power.com/crashdive_banner.jpg

[nikimcbee]

http://www.the-reel-mccoy.com/movies/2000/images/u571c.jpg
I just got the call, we're in the new film!


What you had:
http://dvdmedia.ign.com/dvd/image/DVD_VIDEO-5_1092760816-000.jpg

What you'll get in the remake:
http://www.zuguide.com/images/21618/21618.12.219.138.jpg

[McBeck]

I honestly dont think it will work at all...
One of the strong point of the original series/movies is that it is brutal, its bare, its without filter.
I doubt any US production can make it so.

Sure, as some have pointed out, the special effects will be better, but that is a minor part of the original movie but will most likely be the selling point of any remake, so why do it? Its not going to replace the tension, gruesome, appalling, dirty, nasty, demotivating, horrific and gut wrenching aspects, that makes the original what it is...

Remember the review on Amazon of the original that we all laughed at....this movie will be a tool to counteract that review and destroy the whole feel while doing it...

[McBeck]

My best guess is that this remake will cater for reviews like this;
http://www.amazon.com/gp/customer-reviews/R5WBK8MGNDWXI/ref=cm_cr_pr_rvw_ttl?ie=UTF8&ASIN=0767802470

[Sailor Steve]

Already addressed in post #20. :O:

[Kessner]

I'll wait until it comes out, I do not want to jump for joy to discover its full of changes to "FIT IN" to days standards.. Because that would be a fail to do that and rely 100% on Special effects to tell the story..

[Iron Budokan]

I don't really see the point of a remake. Except for a few dated special effects shots, and a couple points where the music is a little too synth-heavy, Das Boot holds up remarkably well. I can't imagine what good, in the words of one Mr. Harry S. Plinkett, HYPERCHARGING and ELECTRIFYING it for a modern audience would do. The original works because it's slow, heavy, claustrophobic, brooding, and so forth...hardly attributes that land butts in theater seats these days.


This. A million times this.

Das Boot is the "Citizen Kane" of submarine movies. You don't go out of your way to remake a classic like that...unless it's nothing more than a cash grab.

[STEED]

Put your money on please no. :down:

They are bound to fudge it. :/\\!!

[jorgegonzalito]

The film "Das Boot" is a classic "cult" about German submarines in World War II. With it we realized how many inaccuracies had Hollywood movies to show alleged German submarine. In fact, "Das Boot" marked a change that was reflected later in films like "U-571".Achieve a remake of "Das Boot" it will not be easy, because the original 1981 is very well done despite not then have current technical advances such as computer animation. Neither you will find a list like the one I had "Das Boot" led by Jurgen Prochnow that became popularly known since. Actors should be like the German language, then listen aboard phrases like "yes sir" We produces a complete anticlimax. And no alarm use "horn" to plunge, is a German submarine and not one American.

[AS]

A Remake of an excellent movie doesn´t seem to make any sense to me.

1) The original cast was awesome. Jürgen Prochnow is and always will be "Herr Kaleun". Any new actor would end up pretending to be Prochnow instead of pretending to be a U-Boat commander. German actor Til Schweiger did just that in a low budget U-Boat movie and failed. There´s more to it than scratching your beard. The same goes for all the other iconic characters.

Furthermore, the original cast consisted of many (totally) unkown actors, so the audience could easily identify with the bunch without being judgemental.

2) Das Boot lives from its atmosphere and real life appeal which derives from the fact that most of the things in the movie are real. Buchheim visited the U-Boat interiour model and was impressed how "real" it felt. He said: "I would have expected wood and cheap stage props, but no, they used solid metal and authentic stuff!" The movie is far from being a clichee and the best Thing about it is accuracy and historic Detail. Did you know the beer bottles they drink are actually historic ones?

Das Boot doesn´t need modern Special effects simply for the obvious reason that in WW2 there was nothing Special about "effects". We don´t Need CGI torpedoes. And don´t give us laser beams like in Steel Fury...

3) Notalgia. Do I have more to say? A-Team the movie might work for Kids, but it didn´t work for old me. The same goes for Star Wars...speaking of which:

PLEASE DO NOT STAR-WARIZE "Das Boot"!

[AS]

Unlike in the movie, the real Kaleun of U-96 survived the war. Buchheim merged 2 or 3 patrols into one to make his book more exciting and dense. The air attack happened, but it didn´t kill half the Crew and didn´t sink U-96 which was lost later in war.

If they want to milk the Das Boot cow, why not continue the original story?
Buchheim wrote about his adventures escape from Brest in his novel "Die Festung" (don´t know the English title, literally it is "The Fortress").

[Ishmael]

I think a terrific war movie could be made about the Battle of San Bernardino Straits and Taffy 3. The film could actually encompass the battle in Real Time.

[sturmer]

i can imagine it already, english speaking germans. like in the battle of the bulge :damn:.
i would also like to see new naval and sub movies, but touching classics is just a step too far. we have had enough examples released this and last year and the upcomming ones arent much more promissing.
for example: kindergarten cop was a fantastic movie to see but to remake it? -.-

[CCIP]

i can imagine it already, english speaking germans. like in the battle of the bulge :damn:.


Actually, the original Das Boot was dubbed into English by the original German actors, so they certainly do sound like themselves. I much prefer the German version anyway, but I would have to say that the English is adequate!

[sturmer]

@CCIP: good point, im more the fan of the fact that if they make a movie about germans they need to use the german language and same goes for other films about france, ...
its just the idea of german sailors speaking english or getting dubbed in other countries like france that they speak french.
for some reason i just cant stand it :D

[Sailor Steve]

for some reason i just cant stand it :D
Nor can I. I don't speak any other language than English, but I too feel like I'm not getting my money's worth when I watch a dubbed version. The original language is always best.

I feel the same way about my games. :sunny:

[sturmer]

@sailor steve : oh in games? i got the same feeling, a few weeks ago i was playing assassins creed unity. the game portraits itself in Paris. its always fun to hear the nice french people speaking english with a brittish accent :hmmm:

[CCIP]

Oh, I know that feeling - and often it's even worse if you know the language, but it's not even just the words, it's even stuff like mannerisms and behaviour. It's the worst when the director and actors are not aware of these cultural specifics - one reason I can't stand Enemy at the Gates, for example, is that the characters in it don't remotely sound, look, act or think like Russians, and that's pretty infuriating to me as a native Russian speaker. Conversely, in K-19 Widowmaker, Harrison Ford pretty much nails the role of the Soviet submarine captain - I watched a Russian dub of it too, and he was basically indistinguishable from how a Russian actor would've played that role. Good example of an American film about a foreign submarine, by the way, and it's not a bad movie at all.

So it really varies I guess, but more often than not Hollywood gets it wrong.

[SailorMorg]

I'm torn... I love Das boot. It's a classic. Yet with today's tech it may be a great remake!

Couldn't agree more!

[Laser]

I hope this movie will be better than previous monster, Das boot!

[Onkel Neal]

Update: German U-boat 'real star' of new Second World War drama (http://news.sky.com/story/german-u-boat-real-star-of-new-second-world-war-drama-11108070)

[David I]

So, if I read this correctly, this will be a sequel that starts where Das Boot ended. Maybe going through to the end of the war?

I'd be OK with that. It could be an entirely different film in both scope and character. After all the original followed one patrol by one boat.

David I

PS. IMDB says there are 6 to 8 episodes.

[UglyMowgli]

One of the mille-sabords member (Lazuli), who lives in La rochelle got a little job as extra in Das boot .
He post some photos and describe his adventure in the series Das boot (since he can't take photos while working, it's formally prohibited). It's in french but you can use google to translate.

http://www.mille-sabords.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=57030&st=0

[NitramS]

Yeah agree with Cybermat, worse case it will be a movie to just not watch,

My only doubts lie with special effects, these days many film producers are keen to show them off and make them a selling point. But the beauty of Das Boot was that 90% of the film is being stuck in side a sub with not much going on. so you get that feeling of claustrophobia, boredom etc. So that kind of worked well with limiting the crappy special effects from the 80's.
But we will see....

I can tell you, that they are going for subtlety and quality, with a high emphasis on practical effects. This is from first hand experience.

[Aktungbby]

NitramS!:Kaleun_Salute:

[Faith]

I really wish you could board the floating replica they've originally built.
To stand on the bridge, watching the harbor entrance, with a U-boat bunker behind me...
Maybe take it for a spin!

[Gotmilk]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZrL-JAmhVw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY1X6Z708aA

[Cybermat47]

Those scenes of the depth charges exploding are particularly interesting. It looks like they’re trying to get the same “look” of the film.

[JU_88]

Looks alright, Ill give it watch :)
Pretend it doesn't bear the name 'Das Boot' Make no comparisons to the original and judge it on its own merit, and i expect it will be quite enjoyable.

[KING111]

looks like its only in German:doh:
https://www.fernsehserien.de/das-boot-2018/episodenguide/staffel-1/34363

https://www.fernsehserien.de/news/das-boot-kino-trailer-zur-neuen-sky-serie

[ThePrody]

yes, i got the first two episodes but no subtitles are out so far and my German is a bit rusty :D , i watched 20 minutes and i only understood three phrases : " Alaaaaarmm !!! " , " beide maschinen kleine fahrt voraus " and "Heil Hitler "

I think i will wait until subtitles get posted , it doesnt look bad, i guess "the u-boat plot " will be enjoyable for us , submarine fans, but i hope the " land plot " wont be some predictable melodrama .

[Onkel Neal]

Finally got to see this, not bad at all. It did get rather dark in the final episodes. Man, this series did not do the U-boat sailor's reputation any favors. The original Das Boot gave the characters some dignity and respect. Not this time around.

Don't post any spoilers, unless you use the spoiler tags.

[Bleiente]

Absolutely correct - I did not watch the show to the end, I found the plot as well as the used title simply absurd.
Abstract, however, I find that Bavaria plays crazy again and prohibits all stream portals about providers in Germany, now I have to use TOR to watch series... :hmmm:



:Kaleun_Salute:

[tian tian]

https://tg24.sky.it/spettacolo/serie-tv/fotogallery/2018/12/17/das-boot-anticipazioni-foto.html#


a few more details about it (but in Italian sorry).

i fear they are going to try working a love story into it.



has anyone seen it yet? no release in my country yet for any legal kind of distribution.

[Kapt Z]

Pretend it doesn't bear the name 'Das Boot' Make no comparisons to the original and judge it on its own merit.

I would say that is the best approach to take.:Kaleun_Salute:

[Onkel Neal]

https://tg24.sky.it/spettacolo/serie-tv/fotogallery/2018/12/17/das-boot-anticipazioni-foto.html#


a few more details about it (but in Italian sorry).

i fear they are going to try working a love story into it.



has anyone seen it yet? no release in my country yet for any legal kind of distribution.

As I said, I watched it last week. 8 episodes. Production values were very good. I do not want to spoil it, so I will stay really general. This series is about a young untested CO and his crew, and there is also a story about a young Alsace German woman and the trouble she gets into with the French resistance. The show splits its time between both stories and they are equally compelling, but as I said above, the depiction of the U-boat crew is abhorrent. Most horrible, repugnant people in the military. There was only one guy I was rooting for, the Officer training dropout. But the rest are savage, brutal, uncaring monsters that not even war can excuse. This series does not have any of the tone of the classic Das Boot, it's more like a horror film set in WWII.

[Mussalo]

Watched the series in few days with overwhelming enthusiasm.
Afterwards can describe the experience with a strong "meh"...


It could be that this series was more respectful on the original author of the book since I'm under impression that he was not so happy about the "glorified action" of the original film.
Being as it is, I still yearned for proper U-boot action! The ~30% screen time that it got was nowhere enough for me. Not to mention that most of the time even it was just drama inside the boat...



The title was misleading in the first place; should've been called A Tragedy Placed In 1942 La Rochelle, and nothing more.

[Ciancell]

Caught wind of it long prior yet was somewhat incredulous at first.

However at this point, as there is some more data I'm really anticipating it.

Need to watch the first once more

[Dowly]

Finished watching episodes one through four just now and I'm really liking it. :up:

Best tip I can give to anyone planning on seeing it is: It's not a Das Boot remake. Different boat, different plot. Go in with that in mind and you might like it more.

[bstanko6]

I can't find it on Hulu. Where can I stream this in US?

[Djr18045]

Watched 2 1/2 episodes... I will not be watching any more... Totally different than the film and not in a good way.

[Aktungbby]

Djr18045!:Kaleun_Salute:after six years silent running!

[Ashikaga]

With English subs:

https://w4.all123movies.com/watch/das-boot-season-1-eps-1-server-1/?fbclid=IwAR0TuBnnHb2nCBiw-MmdfEysaXFPI6Frl6_yEtsuH6jgXU1GGoPpmEuPV5Q

[nikimcbee]

With English subs:

https://w4.all123movies.com/watch/das-boot-season-1-eps-1-server-1/?fbclid=IwAR0TuBnnHb2nCBiw-MmdfEysaXFPI6Frl6_yEtsuH6jgXU1GGoPpmEuPV5Q


:Kaleun_Salute::Kaleun_Thumbs_Up:

Thank you good sir.

[nikimcbee]

Finished watching episodes one through four just now and I'm really liking it. :up:

Best tip I can give to anyone planning on seeing it is: It's not a Das Boot remake. Different boat, different plot. Go in with that in mind and you might like it more.




That's cuz there's more boobies than depth charge attacks.


Watched 2 1/2 episodes... I will not be watching any more... Totally different than the film and not in a good way.


I've watched through episode 4. Seriously? :o wtf? okay? I think it just jumped the shark at this point. Oh, and you are correct Neal. :salute:


...and it's hard to believe after all this, Doenitz will go to New Mexico and build meth labs. Better than "After MASH.":har:

[bstanko6]

I finished the season... I agree with most people here. It could have been called anything but Das Boot. Very good series and I will watch more seasons. But it was more about everything but the boat!

Should have been called Das La Rochelle!

[JamesT73J]

I approached it with an open mind. I wasn't expecting too much; after all the original will forever be unsurpassed.

I think it's good. A different focus than the original mini/film, and taken on its merits I think it is well made. I like the little moments of fan service, and the procedural detail on the operation of the submarine is nicely done. I really like the soundtrack; it reminds me a little of the Blade Runner 2049 score.

The foley work is a bit disappointing; much time was spent on the original (including re-recording a few pieces for the 1997 release) and I do think the sound needs some work.

The cinematography is good, and the effects work is subtle; I was worried the reliance on CGI would leak into things but thus far their brief appears to have been 'keep the aesthetic of the original'.

The scenes with three languages are brilliant; you have to hand it to them, it's ambitious.

I'll always love the original. I do not mind this one at all, and I have to say their overhead shot of the boat cutting through the centre of the frame is absolutely fantastic.

[Pisces]

For those capable of viewing the Dutch public TV channels. The series (start) will be 'aired' on Saturday March 2nd (2019) on NPO 2 at 20:00

[mapuc]

I'm a happy man.

Have read a lot about this new series here and other places, mostly here.
it have been
Good and bad stories about this series.

I really wanted to see this new series.

And behold
On Swedish public tv tonight first episode of Das Boot
(First episode of eight)

Markus

[Wamiduku]

The lower picture is the u-boat featured in the TV series. One of the characters says it's a Type VII-C. I thought all Bs and Cs had the hockey club shaped arrangement of drain holes, but the one in the series lacks the upper 4 holes.

https://snag.gy/PO3hZ0.jpg

What's up with that?

BTW, this has to be the worst managed u-boat in the history of the Kriegsmarine. Petty conflicts, frequent fistfights among the crew members, blame games, the Kaleun letting the XO get away with blatant disloyalty and insubordination, a general atmosphere of disharmony, and absolutely zero team spirit within the crew.

If the German armed forces would have been like that, the war would have been over in 2 weeks, with the Polish cavalry beating the crap out of the German Panzer corps.

[daft]

I'm a bit annoyed that they sold it as Das Boot. A simple PR stunt. It's a semi-decent drama, but it certainly isn't Das Boot. It's trying to appeal to way too large an audience. Lesbian love story, crime drama and action movie with semi-historical representations of technical procedures.


The crew on that boat? It's not only the worst in the Kriegsmarine, it's the worst in any navy ever!


Also, the Wrangel storyline? Why the ******* would they risk a very valuable u-boat on that mission? It makes absolutely zero sense other than act as a plot device to reach a climax in the crew conflict storyline. Hoffmann had done nothing that would warrant such behavior from his men.



To me this was a slightly entertaining drama, but boy oh boy did they drop the ball on the Das Boot part.

[Deepseadiver]

I'm a bit annoyed that they sold it as Das Boot. A simple PR stunt. It's a semi-decent drama, but it certainly isn't Das Boot. It's trying to appeal to way too large an audience. Lesbian love story, crime drama and action movie with semi-historical representations of technical procedures.


The crew on that boat? It's not only the worst in the Kriegsmarine, it's the worst in any navy ever!


Also, the Wrangel storyline? Why the ******* would they risk a very valuable u-boat on that mission? It makes absolutely zero sense other than act as a plot device to reach a climax in the crew conflict storyline. Hoffmann had done nothing that would warrant such behavior from his men.



To me this was a slightly entertaining drama, but boy oh boy did they drop the ball on the Das Boot part.

I am with you on this..it was an ok drama. However, that yank/Canadian was bloody annoying and could not act to save her life..

i am going to re-watch the real Das Boot just to feel clean again.

[Wamiduku]

It's trying to appeal to way too large an audience. Lesbian love story, ...

I don't think that's in there to widen the appeal. It's probably due to some informal requirements for TV series. We have that in Sweden, as SVT (Swedish State TV) boss Hanna Stern introduced a checklist for elements that have to be present in an SVT drama. Gay love, feminism and diversity are some of the points on the list, and I assume that the Das Boot TV producers have similar requirements placed on them.

It becomes quite ridiculous in series with few leading characters, where those issues seem shoehorned into the plots. Once you've seen it, it's impossible to unsee it.

The crew on that boat? It's not only the worst in the Kriegsmarine, it's the worst in any navy ever!
Especially the sonar operator, who can't tell a single ship from a convoy.

Also, the Wrangel storyline? Why the ******* would they risk a very valuable u-boat on that mission? It makes absolutely zero sense other than act as a plot device to reach a climax in the crew conflict storyline.
Yes, trading a VIP for a POW makes no sense. Also, the story implies that Wrangel is so important that the u-boat must avoid all fights in order to bring him home alive. But he's a u-boat commander, so once he's back home, he'd most likely be sent back out with the opposite orders: pick as many fights as possible. That's just ridiculous.

Hoffmann had done nothing that would warrant such behavior from his men.
Yes, he's a bit of a pain in the ass and he insists on following orders to the letter, but that's hardly unique in any armed force.

[bstanko6]

If that was my XO I would have shot him right where he stood, for all the disrespect at sea. Then dump him overboard. Right from the beginning, he was resisting the commander! Can't have that!

[mapuc]

I wonder how historical correct this new version of Das Boot is.

It also looks like they have added how we think behave in our society, into this series

Markus

[daft]

I don't think that's in there to widen the appeal. It's probably due to some informal requirements for TV series. We have that in Sweden, as SVT (Swedish State TV) boss Hanna Stern introduced a checklist for elements that have to be present in an SVT drama. Gay love, feminism and diversity are some of the points on the list, and I assume that the Das Boot TV producers have similar requirements placed on them.

It becomes quite ridiculous in series with few leading characters, where those issues seem shoehorned into the plots. Once you've seen it, it's impossible to unsee it.


Especially the sonar operator, who can't tell a single ship from a convoy.


Yes, trading a VIP for a POW makes no sense. Also, the story implies that Wrangel is so important that the u-boat must avoid all fights in order to bring him home alive. But he's a u-boat commander, so once he's back home, he'd most likely be sent back out with the opposite orders: pick as many fights as possible. That's just ridiculous.


Yes, he's a bit of a pain in the ass and he insists on following orders to the letter, but that's hardly unique in any armed force.


True, all of it. SVT is a lost cause...



And in regards to Hoffman, yeah, he came across as an extremely professional but green officer. Once he gets some experience under his belt he'll be a smashing CO.

[rik007]

After a few episodes I lost interest as it is starting to drag on. The scenes in the U-boot are over the top. It lacks variation.

[John Pancoast]

After a few episodes I lost interest as it is starting to drag on. The scenes in the U-boot are over the top. It lacks variation.

Yeah, it was pretty predictable what was going to happen after the first episode.
More or less a drama taking place in a sub/naval background more than anything.

[John Pancoast]

If that was my XO I would have shot him right where he stood, for all the disrespect at sea. Then dump him overboard. Right from the beginning, he was resisting the commander! Can't have that!

I also don't believe many XO's were awarded a Knight's Cross. Not many besides the captain far as I know.

[Slyguy3129]

The fact that a remake exist, almost makes me hate the original.

What I'd pay to see are "snuff" films, where it's a hidden camera in Hollywood board meetings where they kill in various entertaining ways people who suggest remaking "X" movie.

[Eikson]

Hello,

Have you seen the 2018 series "Das Boot"?

I think that for a recent series it is actually relatively accurate. Of course some sacrifices had to be made in order to please the modern viewer, but all in all I enjoyed watching it for the good effects and visualization of U-Boat life. What I also like is that compared to movies like the original "Das Boot" or "U-505" the crews are a little more accurate age-wise (on U-96 an a little older crew might make sense, but this series is set in '42).

German viewers can watch it via Sky (I don't know about other sources, sorry).

What is your opinion on the show, if you've seen it? Give it a go, it's not as cringeworthy as I expected.

Best,
Eikson

[MADLOU]

it's out now on Hulu with English subtitles. I've seen three quarters of the first episode and its riveting. The sub scenes are very realistic IMHO. Please do not post any spoilers. I just want to know what everyone's general feeling is about the show.

[Gerald]

I have seen all parts, and think it was well done.

[skin-nl]

i also seen all episodes.

I hoped there were more sub scenes.

[Armistead]

Just watched the first episode...so is it any good?

[GibClaret1980]

Yes i enjoyed it they had a subplot on land. But a series 2 is being made and i thought the ending was great.

[Armistead]

I'm now at about the 4th episode, but while the acting is good, gets a tad absurd at times with reality...

[SmokingHeadStudio]

I have seen it.

i am not impressed.
There some good Scenes in the Submarine, but that is all.
Most Part of the Story will be the Part on Land, for the Opposition of the France Rebels.

Not so really nice for a Series called "The Boat".
Also i do not like, how the Story itself is "made".
A lot at the Beginning, will you remember to the Movie "Das Boot",
it is nearly a "borrow" of much Things and Ideas, and also conversations (in the same Way). But later the Series goes down like a brithish Destroyer after 10 Torpedos. There is just 1 fascinating Scene left, i do not want to tell it everyone, who not know.

But for real: after the 3. Part, it goes longer and longer, at the 4. Part i begun to skip some Parts, than i rewind, watch it, and skip it again.

not really big Cinema. It is okay, but the Story @ Land can completly Cut in my Eyes. And the hardest Thing is: The story at Land is nearly complete a different Story to the Boat. Only thing that is "together" is the Point, that is a Brother Sister Thing, but this is all.


Best Greetings.
You miss not so much you think. I saw it 1 Time, do not need to see it again.

[FeatsOfStrength]

This tv show was really terrible. The first couple of episodes I was on board, I had presumed the parts set in La Rochelle were just window dressing to create an on-shore connection with the crew.. I thought swapping the experienced well loved commander with a newbie would be a sort of journey where the commander slowly but surely brings his crew together and becomes the respected veteran over time.

Instead what do we get, insubordination? questioning of the Captain and orders from the BdU? mutiny?!... on a U-Boat? I looked it up there are no historical examples of this, the closest historical event that could have vaguely influenced the show is the denouncement of Oskar-Heinz Kusch (https://uboat.net/men/kusch.htm).

And that's just for the sections on the boat 60% - 80% of the later episodes is set entirely in La Rochelle following some far fetched SJW resistance plot line that's only vaguely connected to the boat, and again has little if any historical precedence.

The Captain who is the sole survivor of his U-Boat sinking has some historical precedence in Klaus Bargsten (https://uboat.net/men/bargsten.htm) of U-521 (https://uboat.net/boats/u521.htm). The idea of swapping him at all (unless he was very well connected) for a civilian, rather than a Spy as would be customary is ridiculous.

As for the deposed Captain arriving in New York, there is no way on earth he wouldn't be a POW. Hopefully it will get cancelled before they do further damage to the Das Boot brand. Loads of people will probably think this is representative of the original or the novel now, let alone actual U-Boats from WWII!

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[FeatsOfStrength]

For all the grief I gave it in my previous post though, the 2018 version of Das Boot did re-ignight my interest in Submarine games for the first time in 10 years, I re-installed SH3 and bought the rest of the series too, after watching the Das Boot original of course.

[Onkel Neal]

Season 2 is up June 9

Das Boot: this tense submarine thriller is 'TV for dads' that the rest of us can enjoy (https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2020/jun/06/das-boot-season-two-sky-atlantic)

Growing up I always assumed the movie Das Boot was an elaborate joke played on me by my father. There cannot be a five-hour film, sorry. Subtitled entirely in German. Which you had to record in two shifts, as two half-films, from two late-night showings on BBC Two. And erase my tape of Jurassic Park to do it. None of this is real.

I assumed that, when I marched into the front room during the five dedicated hours put aside for watching Das Boot, I would discover what strange adult ritual my dad was really performing – sniffing glue? Eating olives? Saying the word “f----” out loud? – but, no. He really was sitting there, on his sofa, arms folded and legs outstretched, utterly engrossed in 300 minutes of German lads going slowly mad in a submarine. One day, I figured, I would grow up, and have a beard, and watch Das Boot, and then I would be a dad, transformed from a child for ever.

Well, it’s 2020, and I wouldn’t call it a beard exactly but there’s something up there, and Sky Atlantic is about to air season two of its big-budget adaptation of Das Boot (Thursday, 10.05pm). Do I understand now why Dad recorded over four episodes of The Simpsons to watch the predecessor? Sort of, but not exactly. I mean: kind of. But also no.

https://www.sky.com/watch/title/series/4d18b5ea-a12a-4d26-b804-831775fb2301/das-boot/episodes/season-2/episode-1

[FeatsOfStrength]

Season 2 was nearly as bad as season 1, a duel between U-Boats? A second Mutiny? Defecting U-Boat Captains? come on, ****ing stupid.