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VirtualVikingX
06-25-15, 09:51 AM
Hey guys! What on earth could this thing be:

http://gfx.nrk.no//rpTWCNVSKlBujjXi0pn7xg03sXg-jtsXavPE1GIF7YGw

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&nv=1&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http://www.nrk.no/finnmark/fant-mystisk-vrakdel-i-havet-_-politiet-aner-ikke-hva-det-kan-vaere-1.12427576&usg=ALkJrhjE2UnHG9eX4Y0acEZP1XUuTnovZA

Rhodes
06-25-15, 09:58 AM
So easy, it's a weather balloon! Now, move along, noting to see here!

Eichhörnchen
06-25-15, 10:00 AM
That is weird; the "tiled" skinning does suggest some sort of re-entry (or exit) heat-shield.

STEED
06-25-15, 10:05 AM
Part of the Rosswell UFO that crashed in 1948. :smug:

Oberon
06-25-15, 10:08 AM
Yeah, does look like some kind of fairing.

Raptor1
06-25-15, 10:41 AM
Almost certainly a rocket fairing of some persuasion. Probably one of those used on the Soyuz rockets.

Oberon
06-25-15, 10:55 AM
Almost certainly a rocket fairing of some persuasion. Probably one of those used on the Soyuz rockets.

Yeah, Soyuz would be the likely candidate:

http://www.esa.int/var/esa/storage/images/esa_multimedia/images/2014/03/artist_s_impression_of_the_soyuz_fregat_fairing_se paration/14349784-2-eng-GB/Artist_s_impression_of_the_Soyuz_Fregat_fairing_se paration_node_full_image_2.jpg

EDIT: Unusual place for it though, since most if not all Soyuz launches are from Baikonur, must have fallen there on re-entry and maybe floated with the tides.

Raptor1
06-25-15, 11:22 AM
EDIT: Unusual place for it though, since most if not all Soyuz launches are from Baikonur, must have fallen there on re-entry and maybe floated with the tides.

True. Under normal launch conditions I don't think a fairing would get to the Atlantic ocean from Baikonur, but it should be possible if it was detached late or something. There have been a couple of Soyuz launches from French Guiana, too.

Oberon
06-25-15, 11:39 AM
There have been a couple of Soyuz launches from French Guiana, too.

Could have been a polar orbital launch, or quite possibly a launch from ages ago that has only just dropped low enough for re-entry. There's a lot up there after all.

Schroeder
06-25-15, 11:54 AM
or quite possibly a launch from ages ago that has only just dropped low enough for re-entry. There's a lot up there after all.
Wouldn't those be scorched at best and completely disintegrated at worst after re-entry? They aren't made for that after all.
What about a test ICBM launch from some submarine? Couldn't those lose a cowl? Would make more sense to me with no space port in the area and there are lots of exercises going on now in Nato and Russia.

Aktungbby
06-25-15, 12:11 PM
??? I count twelve square attachment points on each side in the nose cone: Resurs-P2 spacecraft in June 2008, it was promised to fly in December 2013 and in the spring of 2012, the mission was still expected in the fourth quarter of 2013 (http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2013.html). http://www.russianspaceweb.com/images/spacecraft/application/remote_sensing/resurs_p/P2/kgch_assembly_2.jpghttp://gfx.nrk.no//rpTWCNVSKlBujjXi0pn7xg03sXg-jtsXavPE1GIF7YGwthis one launched 12/26/ 2014 from Baikonur Cosmodrome in Kazakhstan http://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/resursp2.png (http://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/resursp2.png)http://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/B5zcH0XIYAARssU.jpg-large.jpeg (http://spaceflightnow.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/B5zcH0XIYAARssU.jpg-large.jpeg)

Oberon
06-25-15, 12:15 PM
Wouldn't those be scorched at best and completely disintegrated at worst after re-entry? They aren't made for that after all.
What about a test ICBM launch from some submarine? Couldn't those lose a cowl? Would make more sense to me with no space port in the area and there are lots of exercises going on now in Nato and Russia.

The diameter looks a bit big for an SLBM. Trident II first stage diameter is about 2.11m, and the Russian SLBMs are about the same. By the picture I'd wager that this is wider than that, more akin to the nearly 3m of the R7 fairing.

In regards to burning up, it varies sometimes and if you look at the fairing in the painting I posted above, you'll see that there's bits of it beyond what they've found, so it could be that part of it did burn up and what they've found is what survived re-entry. I mean, look at when Colombia burnt up, some obscure things survived re-entry, including bits of astronaut. :dead:

Oberon
06-25-15, 12:17 PM
I reckon Aktungbby might have a good lead there.

I do love Russian rocket designs, there's something of a brute elegance to them. :yep:


EDIT: Yeah, look at this fairing here:

http://spacevids.tv/wp-content/flagallery/soyuz-2-1a-globalstar-x6-feb-5th/img_1126.jpg

If you look at the front of it you can see two circular areas, one presumably is a part of the seperation of the clamshell, since there's a hole there on the debris that's found, but just below/above in both pictures is the circle.

Aktungbby
06-25-15, 12:36 PM
Jeeze! an 'I reckon' from Oberon in the rocket dept!:Kaleun_Cheers:! Alas! I cannot do this well in the Who/What/Where game! Still came down to the 12 square attach points(per side) to the cone halves for me though-good thing too; that's as high as I can count! :har:

Eichhörnchen
06-25-15, 12:47 PM
And there wouldn't be any scorching if it was from some kind of low level test or a failed launch.

VirtualVikingX
06-25-15, 01:33 PM
Excellent! Aktungbby appears to be on to something! Looks very much alike.

Raptor1
06-25-15, 01:59 PM
??? I count twelve square attachment points on each side in the nose cone: Resurs-P2 spacecraft in June 2008, it was promised to fly in December 2013 and in the spring of 2012, the mission was still expected in the fourth quarter of 2013 (http://www.russianspaceweb.com/2013.html).

It's much more likely this one came from one of the ELS launches in Guiana, like the latest one, for example:

http://i.imgur.com/7LuZATF.jpg

VirtualVikingX
06-26-15, 04:08 AM
Seems like the internet has reached a conlusion!

https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Ffinnmark%2Fhar-trolig-identifisert-mystisk-vrakdel-1.12428895&edit-text=&act=url

Hurra for crowd-intelligence!

ikalugin
06-26-15, 04:40 AM
Well atleast it aint proton fuel or oxidiser tank. Though people in certain areas of kazahstan use those to good effect.

I mean, provided you could detox It, what not to like in free aluminium or titanium falling from the sky?

Aktungbby
06-26-15, 09:19 AM
Seems like the internet has reached a conlusion!

https://translate.google.no/translate?sl=no&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=no&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nrk.no%2Ffinnmark%2Fhar-trolig-identifisert-mystisk-vrakdel-1.12428895&edit-text=&act=url

Hurra for crowd-intelligence!

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