Biker Shootout in Waco

[Onkel Neal]

A meeting between rival Texas biker gangs to settle their differences turned into a brawl that escalated to gunfire in a restaurant parking lot today, leaving nine people dead, Waco police said.

Eighteen people were taken from the scene to hospitals, mostly for gunshot and stab wounds, Waco Police Sgt. Patrick Swanton said at a news conference. Everyone involved was a gang member, police said.

He said dozens of suspected gang members were detained.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/18/us/motorcycle-gang-shootout-in-waco-texas.html?_r=0

http://abcnews.go.com/US/dead-waco-texas-biker-gang-shooting-cops/story?id=31109261

Witnesses reported hearing as many as 100 rounds fired from 30 guns.

Police closed the entire Central Texas Market Place shopping area, saying that there was a danger of more violence.

"It is still not totally secure because of the intel that we're getting of individuals wanting to do some payback," Swanton said.

Man, wth? These knuckleheads give motorcycle riders a bad name. :nope:

Hopefully, no Suzuki riders were involved. :rotfl2:

[Aktungbby]

Twin Peaks is a national restaurant chain with several Texas locations that, like the Hooters chain, emphasizes the physical attributes of its waitresses more than its food to attract a predominantly male clientele. The company’s Twin Peaks Girls are waitresses who are scantily clad in plaid tops and are advertised as having “signature ‘Girl Next Door’ charisma and playful personalities.”They came for the 'hooters'...but played with their 'shooters'- cause it's always wacko in Waco!:arrgh!: At least they kept it in the family-no police or innocent citizens were hurt...this time. A liitle excess testosterone; Texas style...perhaps:woot:http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/235302/slide_235302_1151342_free.jpg (http://iconosquare.com/p/987044316686280102_24477520#/detail/987044316686280102_24477520)

[donna52522]

I know people from Hell's Angels and from The Outlaws and they have always been courtesy towards one and another. But around here they don't really have anything to fight about. (ie, no big drug trade to contest over).

[Torplexed]

Rival biker gangs. Twin Peaks Restaurant. Violence. Waco, Texas.


I smell a Coen Brothers movie plot.

[Rockstar]

Rival biker gangs. Twin Peaks Restaurant. Violence. Waco, Texas.


I smell a Coen Brothers movie plot.

Its been done. TEQUILA!

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/9e/a7/ed/9ea7ed2fa733665529ee47ec5e5bffe4.jpg
https://cinemeccanica.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/tumblr_lfm4bh4vo51qdyqwso1_500.jpg

[Jeff-Groves]

I'd suspect the Bandido's wanted to swallow up the other 2 Clubs and SHTF.
Saw this happen many times but not with the deadly results.

[em2nought]

Of those groups in attendance, which is the most trigger happy? :hmmm: Look bikers having a fist fight, shoot 'em. Things have been mighty boring since the complex burned. :D

[nikimcbee]

Time to send in Janet El-Reno, she'll knock some headz.

[HunterICX]

Man, wth? These knuckleheads give motorcycle riders a bad name. :nope:


No joke,
In the Netherlands motorcycle clubs/groups are banned from wearing their colours at large events involving motorcycles (TT Assen, biker meetings or those exhibitions) to avoid clashes between rival groups.
So if you have a humble group/club of friends or forum members that all drive V-Strom for example and have made club T-shirts you like to wear when with eachother you'll be repelled at the entrance because of that criminal trash that happens to ride motorcycles ruined it for all. :nope:

[Oberon]

Might be worth having a look at media reports and comparing them to the language used when black gangs have a shoot-out. :03:

[August]

Of those groups in attendance, which is the most trigger happy? :hmmm: Look bikers having a fist fight, shoot 'em. Things have been mighty boring since the complex burned. :D

You might have a point there. I heard the Waco CoP on the radio talk about figuring out who got shot by who and that the Police were definitely involved in that.

Was this a fistfight the cops decided to stop with bullets?

[Schroeder]

No joke,
In the Netherlands motorcycle clubs/groups are banned from wearing their colours at large events involving motorcycles (TT Assen, biker meetings or those exhibitions) to avoid clashes between rival groups.
So if you have a humble group/club of friends or forum members that all drive V-Strom for example and have made club T-shirts you like to wear when with eachother you'll be repelled at the entrance because of that criminal trash that happens to ride motorcycles ruined it for all. :nope:
Over here several chapters of the Hells Angels have been forbidden over the last few years and members aren't allowed to wear their "uniforms" any longer because of shoot outs, drug trafficking, forced prostitution, vandalism, causing bodily injury to people, murders a.s.o. Just a bunch of criminal scum.

[Oberon]

I don't think the UK has had that much of a biker problem since the 1960s, Jim might be able to correct me on that, but it's not something that's made headlines for a while. Football firms, yes, and standard city gangs but not biker gangs. Not since the days of the Mods and Rockers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mods_and_rockers).

http://www.oldpolicecellsmuseum.org.uk/images/uploaded/scaled/21.jpg

[Rockstar]

Might be worth having a look at media reports and comparing them to the language used when black gangs have a shoot-out. :03:


First thing I noticed there was no mention of the skin color of either the police officers or gangs. Nor did I see the words racism, lives matter, outrage, community leaders, DOJ, or Al Sharpton. :D

The media also doesnt seem to have a problem either of accusing these gang members of being violent and hostile. Nor does it appear they any intention of calling into question the officers use of force.

Something to note too is you very seldom hear or read in the media anything to do with black gang violence. So little is heard about it these days one could assume it doesnt exist.

[Aktungbby]

Rival biker gangs. Twin Peaks Restaurant. Violence. Waco, Texas.


I smell a Coen Brothers movie plot.

Been done! First Hollister CA 7/7/47http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/eb/Hollister_riot_life_magazine_1947.jpg/240px-Hollister_riot_life_magazine_1947.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hollister_riot_life_magazine_1947.jpg) then http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/c/cf/Wildoneposter.jpg/220px-Wildoneposter.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wildoneposter.jpg)Marlon who was a 'wild one' at Shattuck Military prep school in Minnesota, rode his own Triumph Thunderbird for the part!:up: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e2/Triumph_Thunderbird_from_the_movie_%22The_Wild_One %22_%281953%29.jpg/1024px-Triumph_Thunderbird_from_the_movie_%22The_Wild_One %22_%281953%29.jpgHollister Ca still holds bike rally's to remember the event...:hmmm: As of 2014: HOLLISTER, Calif. —Three members of the Boozefighters motorcycle club were shot during a clash with rival Wino’s Crew bikers who attended the 2014 Hollister Motorcycle Rally. http://www.ksbw.com/image/view/-/26833678/medRes/2/-/maxh/460/maxw/620/-/v41vf4/-/winos-boozefighters-jpg.jpg Now if I can get a Twin Peaks Restaurant franchise in Hollister-no problemo with the publicity BBY....:hmmm: http://www.russbrown.com/motorcycle-lawyer-blog/dls/california_motorcycle_event_hollister_russ_brown_c huck_koro_sponsor-600x350.jpg

[August]

Been done! First Hollister CA 7/7/47http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/e/eb/Hollister_riot_life_magazine_1947.jpg/240px-Hollister_riot_life_magazine_1947.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hollister_riot_life_magazine_1947.jpg)

I understand that picture was faked by a reporter.

[Catfish]

I understand that picture was faked by a reporter.

No i have to admit it is me, some years ago :03:

[Aktungbby]

I understand that picture was faked by a reporter.
:woot:
:up:As in: life follows art follows life follows art... "I saw two guys scraping all these bottles together, that had been lying in the street. Then they positioned a motorcycle in the middle of the pile. After a while this drunk guy comes staggering out of the bar, and they got him to sit on the motorcycle, and started to take his picture.

[Stealhead]

I'm pretty sure that Booozefighters incident was largely members of the local population as much as the BF.

[Aktungbby]

C'mon! you left out: the Pissed Off Bastards of Bloomington (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pissed_Off_Bastards_of_Bloomington), the the Market Street Commandos (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Market_Street_Commandos) and the Galloping Goose Motorcycle Club (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galloping_Goose_Motorcycle_Club). Biker gang names were way cooler in the 40's:O:

[Onkel Neal]

Thugs. There, you happy?

http://static01.nyt.com/images/2015/05/20/us/20WACOWEB1/20WACOWEB1-superJumbo.jpg

Hopefully all these rejects will spend the next 15 years in a max security prison.

[vienna]

How did you ever get a hold of my senior class photo?...


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[Onkel Neal]

Eh? :) Which one are you?

I hear the DA is throwing the book at them, charging them under RICO organized crime. That's gonna open up the ranks in these gangs for a lot of advancement.

[vienna]

Eh? :) Which one are you?

The "good-looking" one...


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[u crank]

The "good-looking" one...

That narrows it down. :O:

[Onkel Neal]

I'm amazed no cell video has shown up yet.:down: There's no entertainment value to a rumble we cannot witness.


I wonder how many of the bikers were shooting each other, and how many were gunned down by the cops....?

[Torplexed]

Some of those faces look like they seen some hard miles. I wonder what the draw is for the young ones. Too many hours watching Sons of Anarchy?

[ReallyDedPoet]

I once took an Anthropology 101 Class from a university prof who had infiltrated a biker gang in Canada. He later wrote a book on the subject.
http://c2.bibtopia.com/h/445/644/642644445.0.m.jpg

This guy was the real deal. Once just before our class was to begin the previous professor did not clean the chalk board. Wolf looked at him and said " that's how wrists get broken ". Scared the crap out of most of us :yep:

Anyways, made for an interesting class.....

An interesting article on the subject:Here (http://www.vox.com/2015/5/19/8625981/outlaw-motorcycle-gangs-biker)

Hopefully many of the accused are brought to justice.

[Stealhead]

Looks like they're pretty familiar with the criminal justice system.

I like the one rightmost row third down my club name for him would be Cranium.
Leftmost row bottom is that a club member or an old lady? Brutal.

Thing I'm wondering is why if according to articles if LE knew that this restaurant or whatever was a trouble spot and had been. Why did they not do something before it came to this? In my opinion that's a failing on local LE. Though I'd not be shocked if some of them are on the take or where to look the other way think about it. It would explain a lot. Not saying that every cop is dirty but some are.

[Buddahaid]

How did you ever get a hold of my senior class photo?...


<O>

I was going to say family reunion....:O:

Actually they all sort of look like reality show custom car builders.

[Aktungbby]

The dead: Jesus Delgado Rodriguez, 65, died of gunshot wounds of the head and trunk.
Jacob Lee Rhyne, 39, died of gunshot wounds to the neck.
Richard Vincent Kirshner, Jr., 47, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
Richard Matthew Jordan, III, 31, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Wayne Lee Campbell, 43, died of gunshot wounds to the head and trunk.
Daniel Raymond Boyett, 44, died of gunshot wounds to the head.
Matthew Mark Smith, 27, died of gunshot wounds to the trunk
Manuel Issac Rodriguez, 40, died of gunshot wounds but the report did not specify where he was shot.
And Charles Wayne Russell, 46, died of gunshot wounds to the chest These are not 'spring chickens' and there are an inordinate # of headshots or neck for a defensive brawl firefight-more 'up close and verrrry personal". the two rival groups met in the parking lot a fight broke out, the affidavit says:
"During the course of the altercation, members and associates of the Cossacks and Banditos brandished and used firearms, knives, or other unknown edged weapons, batons, clubs, brass knuckles and other weapons,:" the affidavit says.
The affidavit says the gang members fired at each other and then when police tried to stop the fight, they began firing at officers.
Waco police officers returned fire striking multiple gang members," the affidavit says:hmmm: More seriously:
Meanwhile the Twin Peaks corporate office Monday revoked the franchise of the restaurant where the shooting occurred.
“We are in the people business and the safety of the employees and guests in our restaurants is priority one,” the company said.
“Unfortunately the management team of the franchised restaurant in Waco chose to ignore the warnings and advice from both the police and our company, and did not uphold the high security standards we have in place to ensure everyone is safe at our restaurants.
“We will not tolerate the actions of this relatively new franchisee and are revoking their franchise agreement immediately. Our sympathies continue to be with the families of those who died and are very thankful no employees, guests, police officers or bystanders were hurt or injured,” the statement said.
Trouble at Twin Peaks among rival bikers had been brewing for some time, District Attorney Abel Reyna told News 10 about two weeks ago.
Reyna said local police were on heightened alert in anticipation of trouble on Thursday nights, when Twin Peaks hosts a Biker Night Utterly and completely preventable IMHO ReallyDedPoet's post alludes to serious 'business as usual'... The Great Nordic Biker War (http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Europe/2009/0504/p06s10-woeu.html) of the mid-1990s pitted the Angels and the Bandidos against each other, and resulted in a dozen murders and almost 80 shootings. The Quebec Biker war, beginning in the late '90s and continuing well into the 2000s, pitted Rock Machine — a local club that would ally with Bandidos — against the Hells Angels, and took about 150 lives (http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/biker-gangs-in-canada-1.775978) Throw in the Branch Davidian fiasco-shootout(cult=gang IMHO) with the misguided DEA twenty years ago with 76 dead including kids, women and several dead agents....with a coverup, and it's still Wacko in Waco.:nope:

[em2nought]

Hopefully enough "white" people were shot to make everybody happy. :hmmm: Seems so conveniently timed, and so controlled as to what we hear so far.

[Simmy]

Hey, you want to play with fire?
Then don't bitch when you get burned.

[HunterICX]

I'm amazed no cell video has shown up yet.:down: There's no entertainment value to a rumble we cannot witness.

Wouldn't say no to see a couple of HD's being filled with lead...not talking about the unleaded kind real bikers fill their bikes with. :03:

[Rockstar]

Im not sure if anyone is going to be convicted under the RICO act just for opening up several cans of whoopazz in a parking lot. I thought RICO took more than just a few years of undercover work to identify such behavior.

Most will probably walk. The ones with prior felony charges will most likely get to go to jail again.

[vienna]

[QUOTE=Buddahaid;2314950]I was going to say family reunion....:O:[QUOTE]

Nah, my family is scarier than that lot...


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[Onkel Neal]

Looks like they're pretty familiar with the criminal justice system.

I like the one rightmost row third down my club name for him would be Cranium.
Leftmost row bottom is that a club member or an old lady? Brutal.

Thing I'm wondering is why if according to articles if LE knew that this restaurant or whatever was a trouble spot and had been. Why did they not do something before it came to this? In my opinion that's a failing on local LE. Though I'd not be shocked if some of them are on the take or where to look the other way think about it. It would explain a lot. Not saying that every cop is dirty but some are.

Read the articles. LE was trying to get the restaurant to suspend these activities, they did not cooperate.

[Mr Quatro]

I'd suspect the Bandido's wanted to swallow up the other 2 Clubs and SHTF.
Saw this happen many times but not with the deadly results.

Give that man a silver dollar ... I heard the same rumor that a biker gang that was not invited by the other biker gangs came anyway
and that it was the Bandido's that sent that gang just to cause a ruckus.

Like those chicken fights they have that are illegal ... they put them in the same ring (restaurant).

I bet the Bandido's were watching from some where, because that's how they sift through the other gangs on who to join them.

These gangs that fought were just feeder gangs ...

I don't see anyway for this to end in peace ... from court battles to drive by shootings poor Waco is going to go through the fire :yep:

[Wolferz]

Frankly, I'm surprised something like this hasn't happened already during the annual biker festival in Sturgis.:hmmm:

[Onkel Neal]

Yeah, you're right. Someone I was talking with today said the same thing.

[em2nought]

How did they arrest so many so easily? How many police were there? I've seen that white trash family squabble in the Walmart parking lot video. It took over half a dozen police a long time to even get that under control. Only way it seems like bikers would surrender so easily is if it was raining .308 death from the rooftop shrubs on all those bad guys. It seems strange to me. :hmm2:

[August]

Frankly, I'm surprised something like this hasn't happened already during the annual biker festival in Sturgis.:hmmm:

Yep or the Harley Rendezvous in upstate NY or Laconia or Daytona or a hundred other biker events around the country.

[Stealhead]

Yep or the Harley Rendezvous in upstate NY or Laconia or Daytona or a hundred other biker events around the country.
That probably because 99% of the people that show up are decent-ish folk and 50% are probably orthodontists and such and therefore not likely to do more than drink too much at most.

[Onkel Neal]

Rumors

The Bandidos want to retaliate against police for shooting "their brothers" as they came out of the Twin Peaks restaurant, the bulletin says.

The gang has ordered a hit against Texas troopers and other officers, according to the bulletin. Among the threats are running over officers at traffic stops and the use of grenades and Molotov cocktails and firearms.

[Aktungbby]

^ I wouldn't give a Texas Ranger that much opportunity If I were a Bandido;:dead: Their 'black room' in Presidio Texas on the Rio Grande is still a conversation piece. Used to pick up onions there for St Louis produce markets.